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siobhan222 wrote:NealIsGod, thanks for your response. While I understand what you mean about disappointing fans, I think for the band, it was far less about disappointing fans and far more about making their money. I mean really, have there been other bands who hire a replacement singer in the middle of a tour that you know of? If there are, I've never heard of it. The only time this happened to a concert I had tickets to before -- that the singer of that band got sick -- the show was cancelled. And I know this isn't the 80s, but could you imagine if they had hired a replacement for SP then in the middle of a tour?
Sorry. I don't mean to be disagreeable on my first few posts!
But Soto knows the songs, has a relationship with the band already, and was available. Things worked out perfectly for them. But they will not please everybody.
siobhan222 wrote:Did JSS do a lot of Journey covers in the past? I know from links posted here that he did a couple with SoulSirkUS, but it seems he has learned a lot of songs very quickly and not just learned the words, but he's able to sign them with the band.
siobhan222 wrote:But Soto knows the songs, has a relationship with the band already, and was available. Things worked out perfectly for them. But they will not please everybody.
Did JSS do a lot of Journey covers in the past? I know from links posted here that he did a couple with SoulSirkUS, but it seems he has learned a lot of songs very quickly and not just learned the words, but he's able to sign them with the band. That takes a lot of talent to be able to just jump right in, I must say. I was really glad he let Deen finish out Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'. He was really straining on that one -- it's such a hard song to sing!!! When we were on vacation last month for my birthday, we were in a bar and the band could do almost anything requested -- a fair job at least. I requested a Journey song and they did LTS -- and it hurt to listen to that guy strain his voice. You never realize how tough Journey songs are until you try to hit those notes.
siobhan222 wrote:I'm brand new here so please everyone don't kill me on my very first post! I am not much of a band forum person and I usually don't post anywhere more than a few times a year, if that. I came here looking for information after going to the WPB show not knowing Steve Augeri was no longer with Journey and being very unpleasantly surprised. I've been reading quite a bit here and I just wanted to post my opinion as I haven't seen someone's opinion who didn't know going in that SA wouldn't be up there. My opinion seems to differ from the masses here. It's just my opinion and I'm only one person .. but there might be someone else reading this that is like me and so, I feel it's okay for me to differ as maybe it will help someone else. Hopefully, you guys will respect that. ....
Barb wrote:I've come to the conclusion that Neal feels everyone in the band is replaceable. In fact, the only person who he would probably cancel shows for is himself. If he were injured and couldn't play, the show would not go on. I may be wrong on that, but that's how I feel about it.
I appreciate your honest comments.
siobhan222 wrote:Barb wrote:I've come to the conclusion that Neal feels everyone in the band is replaceable. In fact, the only person who he would probably cancel shows for is himself. If he were injured and couldn't play, the show would not go on. I may be wrong on that, but that's how I feel about it.
I appreciate your honest comments.
And I appreciate your honesty Barb. And I am sure sorry about all the money you spent on tickets. I hope you enjoy the new lineup and the show a lot more than I did.
You said exactly what my husband said: Neal believes *he* is Journey. I guess he's right since it is and always was Neal's band. And if you think about it, who is the one member that if he was no longer there it would forever end the band: Neal. Can you even imagine them going on with some other guitar player? No way. Neal and Ross are the only "founding" members left ... but Ross was replaced once. If I'm correct, JSS is the 5th lead singer, DC is the 4th drummer, JC is the second keyboard player. So, the only member of the band that hasn't been replaced at least once *is* Neal. To him, "the show must go on is his mantra", I guess.
I feel like a hypocrite, to be honest. After seeing the BTM show, I felt SP was wrong and that he prevented the guys from earning a living so they *had* to go on without him -- and I said that to many people. But now, it's happened all over again and now, having become a huge SA fan, I feel like all the die-hard SP fans must have felt all along: why can't they just wait and let Steve recover? And that's exactly what the SP fans said. And here I am feeling the same way about the new Steve.
I'll probably get flamed for saying this but it kind of brings some credibility to all of SP's gripes about the way things were handled when he wasn't sure whether he wanted hip surgery or not. For the first time in years, I have a much softer spot in my heart for SP -- and it's not just for his voice anymore. Maybe he was treated unfairly. And maybe all Neal cares about is continuing Journey with whatever lineup works for him. And maybe that's Neal's perogative but somehow it just doesn't feel right to me.
Barb wrote:Well, I do think the band gave Steve ample time to figure out what he was going to do, and since he wouldn't commit, they went on. I can't blame them for that. And we the fans had 12 long years without a live Journey show. It was easier to accept then because we were all so hungry for Journey. Plus, I get the feeling Perry really didn't want to be in Journey and tour, not that he was "kicked out".
With SA, we know that is not the case. He's singing one night and the next, there's a new singer. It's just so abrupt and it feels cheap to me. [snip]
I think what is in order here is a huge dose of honesty from this band. Lay it all out and tell us what really happened to Steve. Neal Schon knows right now whether or not Steve will be back and I'd like to know.
siobhan222 wrote: I had absolutely no idea going in that Steve was not going to perform. I admit that coloured my feelings and therefore I'm not unbiased.
I know there are a ton of people here who won't agree with me on this as I've seen the comments here from all the people who love JSS.
siobhan222 wrote:Barb wrote:Yet another person commenting on Jonathan's obvious unhappiness on stage. Man would I love to know what is really going on with these guys!
Other people thought that too?
Barb wrote:Yes, I've read at least 6 or 7 comments from different people about Jon seeming to be in a bad mood, or that he "barely cracked a smile." And this has been since SA left.
siobhan222 wrote:Barb wrote:Yes, I've read at least 6 or 7 comments from different people about Jon seeming to be in a bad mood, or that he "barely cracked a smile." And this has been since SA left.
Wow that's interesting. Based on what you and Liz said, you have to wonder if he's unhappy about how this went down. I just don't remember Jon being that way before. He was always smiling every other time I saw him and as Liz said, he was chatty.
Didn't I read somewhere here that RocknDeano guy posted something before his blog came down that he had some dirt on Jon too? Does anyone remember what he said?
siobhan222 wrote:Barb wrote:Yes, I've read at least 6 or 7 comments from different people about Jon seeming to be in a bad mood, or that he "barely cracked a smile." And this has been since SA left.
Wow that's interesting. Based on what you and Liz said, you have to wonder if he's unhappy about how this went down. I just don't remember Jon being that way before. He was always smiling every other time I saw him and as Liz said, he was chatty.
Didn't I read somewhere here that RocknDeano guy posted something before his blog came down that he had some dirt on Jon too? Does anyone remember what he said?
nolippin wrote:Pardon me for being the cynic, but I'm starting to smell an agenda here.
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nolippin wrote:Pardon me for being the cynic, but I'm starting to smell an agenda here.
siobhan222 wrote:Barb wrote:Yes, I've read at least 6 or 7 comments from different people about Jon seeming to be in a bad mood, or that he "barely cracked a smile." And this has been since SA left.
Wow that's interesting. Based on what you and Liz said, you have to wonder if he's unhappy about how this went down. I just don't remember Jon being that way before. He was always smiling every other time I saw him and as Liz said, he was chatty.
Didn't I read somewhere here that RocknDeano guy posted something before his blog came down that he had some dirt on Jon too? Does anyone remember what he said?
siobhan222 wrote:nolippin wrote:Pardon me for being the cynic, but I'm starting to smell an agenda here.
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I had a feeling someone would have something to say to me before the day was out. I have no agenda. I'm just a disappointed fan who has been looking for information on what happened and this is the only site that seems to have any -- at least any that remains up. And don't worry, I probably won't spend much time here. I'm usually too busy and/or sick to spend time on forums.
nolippin wrote:I thought you said in another post that you got all your "news" from Augeriville.
siobhan222 wrote:nolippin wrote:I thought you said in another post that you got all your "news" from Augeriville.
If you want to quote what I've said, that's fine .. but please get it right. Otherwise, you look like you're having difficulty reading or are just here to pick a fight with me. I said I have been looking at Augeriville for news about Steve Augeri's health as they always seem to have anything new about him on that site. I've now said this to you a few times. Please go back and read what I wrote -- not what you decide you think I've written.
nolippin wrote:Nope, I'm not having any difficulty reading at all. This is exactly what you said. For someone who was so glad to be allowed to express their feelings, you certainly got your panties in a wad as soon as someone disagreed with you.
Seems you are the one looking for a fight.siobhan222 wrote:Steve's fan site is www.augeriville.com. That site usually has the latest on him so I'm sure once they get news, they will put it up there. At least, that's where I am checking for news.siobhan222 wrote:nolippin wrote:I thought you said in another post that you got all your "news" from Augeriville.
If you want to quote what I've said, that's fine .. but please get it right. Otherwise, you look like you're having difficulty reading or are just here to pick a fight with me. I said I have been looking at Augeriville for news about Steve Augeri's health as they always seem to have anything new about him on that site. I've now said this to you a few times. Please go back and read what I wrote -- not what you decide you think I've written.
siobhan222 wrote:nolippin wrote:Nope, I'm not having any difficulty reading at all. This is exactly what you said. For someone who was so glad to be allowed to express their feelings, you certainly got your panties in a wad as soon as someone disagreed with you.
Seems you are the one looking for a fight.siobhan222 wrote:Steve's fan site is www.augeriville.com. That site usually has the latest on him so I'm sure once they get news, they will put it up there. At least, that's where I am checking for news.siobhan222 wrote:nolippin wrote:I thought you said in another post that you got all your "news" from Augeriville.
If you want to quote what I've said, that's fine .. but please get it right. Otherwise, you look like you're having difficulty reading or are just here to pick a fight with me. I said I have been looking at Augeriville for news about Steve Augeri's health as they always seem to have anything new about him on that site. I've now said this to you a few times. Please go back and read what I wrote -- not what you decide you think I've written.
Exactly nolippin. You prove my point exactly. I said I was checking for news on Augeri there. You claimed I said that's where I get all my news from. I think you *are* having comprehension problems with what you read and this proves it beyond a doubt.
I'm not getting my "panties in a wad" at all about being disagreed with. I just don't like being misquoted. *That* bothers me a great deal. You have misquoted me many times in the last hour or so.
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