How much does a Journey lead singer make -- any guesses?

[Dano]

What is heartbreaking is that he is a great guy who cares for his fans and is very humble and it is tragic that it has ended like this for him.He will always be known as the guy who mimed his vocals,every person who interviews him will want to talk about this only.As a singer to be known as someone who cant sing only mime is a terrible thing to carry,he must feel like his whole world has collapsed around him....Tragic

My husband said something earlier that might help us feel better. This really hasn't gone out very far beyond the diehard fans that participate in forums. Sure, it may have been mentioned on a couple of radio stations. But let's face it, unless you're a Journey fan, you have no idea who Steve Augeri is. Hopefully, it won't haunt him because everyone has such a short memory these days anyway. I hope my husband is right.

Well, I'm back and somewhat rested this morning. LOL

As for your hope Siobhan, I agree and wish this was the case. However, two nights ago the story came over RealNetworks email alerts as a Rolling Stone news item, complete with a color photo of Steve. It mentioned the blog and how the whole thing got started, basically. I was like "Uh-oh". If it's hitting Rolling Stone then it did saturate somewhat. Now, how many people will really care remains to be seen. Still in all, I was shocked that the story got that far. If it makes it into the Random Notes in the print edition (it's almost too juicy not to, especially considering how beloved Journey is by the critics-saracasm mode fully on here), then I will really be sick over this, both for Augeri and the band's legacy and fanbase that they've worked eight years to rebuild.

JSS really is coming in to save the day, probably more than we realize or want to admit. He not only has to win over the fans which, according to the show reports thus far he is doing with ease. But he also almost single-handedly will be responsible for restoring the band's credibility after this whole sad affair. Like I've said before, I'm thrilled for JSS getting his shot at this. I just wish it could've all happened much differently, a feeling that I know many of you share with me, whether you're an Augeri supporter or not.

[Eric]

Eric's first idea for his KISS pseudonym was "Rusty Blades". He later used that name as a pseudonym for hotel check-ins, which is common amongst rock musicians desiring privacy. A character design reportedly created by manager Bill Aucoin (some sources claim it was actually Paul Stanley) called "The Hawk" was also briefly considered for Eric when he originally joined the band.

Until Tommy Thayer replaced Ace Frehley in March 2002, Eric held the distinction of having played in a KISS lineup with every lead guitarist who was an official member of the band.

An Eric Carr solo album under the KISS banner was planned as a project, as an extension of the 1978 releases of four solo albums by KISS members. Such an album was never produced, but the painting by Eraldo Carugati commissioned for use as an album cover was later given to Eric's family.

The other members of KISS were hit hard with grief over Carr, and In his book KISS and Sell, author and band employee C. K. Lendt observes that any access that fans had to the band "slammed shut" after Eric's death.

Eric Carr was made a full partner in Kiss when the contract of the original members expired in 1985.

Although Carr rarely sang on any of KISS's albums, he did contribute lead vocals to the songs "Black Diamond" and "Young and Wasted" at concerts. Also, his song "Little Caesar" was played live once.

Carr died on the same day as Queen's singer Freddie Mercury.

[AR]

Eric Carr was made a full partner in Kiss when the contract of the original members expired in 1985.

Flat out false.

An Eric Carr solo album under the KISS banner was planned as a project, as an extension of the 1978 releases of four solo albums by KISS members. Such an album was never produced, but the painting by Eraldo Carugati commissioned for use as an album cover was later given to Eric's family

Yes there is artwork, but no such album was ever planned.

All that info you posted is from his page on wikipedia.org which is often full of errors on many topics.

[Eric]

Well..Arrivalrules:

1) Your mis-informed about KISS so perhaps you are mis-informed about this? No offense, but you've made some pretty mean statements about KISS...

2) If its as low as you guess, he made like $1,200 per show last year???????? That is insane. Local guys make that.

[AR]

Triple post - board problems

[AR]

Double post

[AR]

Well..Arrivalrules:

1) Your mis-informed about KISS so perhaps you are mis-informed about this? No offense, but you've made some pretty mean statements about KISS...

I am not misinformed. Kiss is my favorite band of all time. I just don't look at them with rose colored glasses and am very disappointed with the decisions Gene and Paul have made in recent years.

Go ahead, go to one of the main Kiss message boards and ask who's correct in this situation. No offense either, but I'm right.

Eric Carr was never a full partner in Kiss.

[Eric]

Well, I just happended to mention this to my cousin because he is a monster KISS guy too. He is sure he's right and you are sure you're right so I guess I'll have to research. I have been wrong way more than right usual.

(The only reason I took any offense because it just seemed really malicious to suggest that Gene and Paul did that.)

And if Augeri did make just $1,200 a show then we have NO reason to complain about him specifically. That is insanse I still think...

[AR]

Well, I just happended to mention this to my cousin because he is a monster KISS guy too. He is sure he's right and you are sure you're right so I guess I'll have to research. I have been wrong way more than right usual.

(The only reason I took any offense because it just seemed really malicious to suggest that Gene and Paul did that.)

I don't think Paul and Gene were being malicious at all. I'm sure they were broken up about the tragedy of the situation.

Great Kiss research site:

http://www.kissfaq.com/

Also read the book "Kiss and Sell" by CK Lendt

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http://www.kissasylum.com/KissHell/ckle ... view1.html

KH: Your book mentions that up until Peter left that KISS were all equal 25% partners & when Eric Carr came in & other members they were employees. Did this bother Eric or any other members, that you recall?

CL: At the time that Eric came into the group in 1980 I don't think he would've expected it any different because in 1980 KISS was a supergroup and Eric had no professional playing experience. It's like when you join a partnership, when you all start at ground zero then you're all equal, or you all have a share of the success but by 1980 KISS was already one of the most successful bands in the world. Eric Carr was a very talented musician but he had virtually no proffesional playing experience outside of bands whose names I can't even remember in Brooklyn and Queens.

[A Fire Inside]

The way some people go on you'd think he'd been caught doing unmentionable things to chickens.

LOL. I know, someone said a week or so ago that it was like he "blew up a church" or something.
Slaughtered innocent children.
Was revealed as the head of the Aryan Union (that's a Seinfeld reference for you guys)...

Not tried to drag himself behind Journey with vocal help.

[AR]

LOL. I know, someone said a week or so ago that it was like he "blew up a church" or something.

That was my quote. To be exact it was:

The way some talk, you think he bombed a church or blew up a school bus.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't misquoted.....

[A Fire Inside]

Bombed, blew up... same diff.

[whocares]

big difference between bombed and blew up.

People who use wikipedia as factual info, are better off waiting for Journey to make a statement. tick tick tick. As AR said, it's proven fact that wikipedia isn't always very factual. It's mostly rumors and opinions at best.

[siobhan222]

Hi OhSherrie, I appreciate the way you have explained how you feel about all this calmly and intelligently. I don't know if you caught my comments that I was a diehard Perry fan myself and never thought there could be a Journey without his incredible vocals. And that I still to this day believe that he has the greatest voice in rock history which still gives me goosebumps. We're not as far apart as you may think! I loved Journey music and I'd never had the opportunity to see them live with Perry. That may explain why I was willing to give them a chance with Augeri, and I was very pleasantly surprised. I wasn't offended by how the band was doing. They're an old classic rock band. I don't see bands like that coming out and making hits and getting radio play anymore. Many of the bands I like from that era can't seem to bring it into the major music scene today.

I can see how the "Perry with a perm" comment disturbed you. I thought it was rather tasteless myself. If I remember correctly it was Deen, the other new guy, that made that remark on the BTM show. I'm not sure if the other remarks occurred on that show. I don't recall them.

I'm glad you like JSS and I hope he delivers everything you hope for. If Augeri doesn't come back and JSS continues as the lead singer, perhaps this will give you an opportunity to enjoy Journey again. I don't like JSS's looks myself. (I don't like Steven Tyler's looks either and JSS reminds me of him.) I didn't like JSS's voice singing Journey music the other night either when I saw them. And he doesn't hold a candle to Steve Perry's vocals and couldn't even hit the high notes or hold notes. That's just my opinion based on the show I was at.

I'm surprised that most of the people who believe in "tapegate" are so ready to throw Augeri onto the fire and roast him while they are completely willing to love and worship the rest of the band. You don't seem to be roasting Augeri at all and I'm glad to hear that. What surprises me is that even after the "tapegate" scandal you believe in, it's still okay for you as long as the band moves on with someone other than Augeri. Can you see how that comes across to those of us who enjoyed Journey with Augeri? While I'm not sure this is what you meant to convey, it comes across as "it's okay because it helped get rid of Augeri". It just sounds like that's all you, and many others, wanted in the first place.

Hi Soibhan222, I'm one of those hardcore Perry fanatics that you've mentioned several times. Maybe I can explain for you how I for one feel about this whole Perry/Augeri/Jss thing. You're right about one thing, I never thought the band should have gone on without Perry because Perry is what made Journey special for me. I didn't hate Augeri for it though, and I still don't. I'm sorry for what happened to his voice and I wish him well.

I always thought Augeri was a good singer, but not a great singer and certainly not good enough to replace Steve Perry, no one is that good IMO. I probaby would just have ignored him altogether and the band along with him if it hadn't been for absurd remarks like "Perry with a perm", "Perry who" and "who needs Perry". That really pissed me off so I started keeping up with how the band was really doing without him, and it wasn't good. IMO the legacy and reputation of my favorite band was being diminished. Not that they didn't sound good and do a couple good albums, just not what I consider Journey good.

This tapegate thing was just the last straw. It made a complete travesty of Journey and I absolutely blame them all for it. Actually I put the biggest share of the blame on Neal and Jon. They should have had more respect for Journey than to allow this to happen.

The reason I'm supportive of JSS is because I'm counting on him to regain Journey's dignity and I think he has the talent, looks and charisma to do it.

[siobhan222]

As for your hope Siobhan, I agree and wish this was the case. However, two nights ago the story came over RealNetworks email alerts as a Rolling Stone news item, complete with a color photo of Steve. It mentioned the blog and how the whole thing got started,

Never mind ... I found it on here linked from another thread. Not well written but very very damning. Poor Steve. That's just about all he needed. Unbelievable.

He not only has to win over the fans which, according to the show reports thus far he is doing with ease.

You and I must be reading different show reports. I'd say 1/3 of the crowd love JSS, 1/3 think he's tolerable as a "fill-in", and another 1/3 don't care for him at all.