Augeri-Heads versus Perry-Heads

[Matthew]

My answer... Perryheads are far worse. 8 years and they're still boycotting a friggin' band. If Augeriheads are still obsessed with Neal and Jon's decisions in 8 years, maybe you have an argument.

As a guy who has kept a dignified silence about Schon and Can's shenanigans? Again - v.classy....

I'm not into all that Augerio humility crap....rock stars ought to be aloof and grandiose...
so that's yet another tick in the box for the Voice.

So do you want him to be an asshole or not, Matthew?

I haven't heard Augeri make any comments about Schon and Cain... is he classy too?

Well, I haven't boycotted them. I've bought the three 'Augeri era' records and I saw Journey in concert in May.

Do I want Augeri to be an asshole? Well, it might make him a more engaging frontman than he was when I saw him.

Just a question of taste I guess..but I prefer seeing a barking mad Legend fronting a rock group...rather than some guy being affable.

But yes...I do think Augeri's silence at the moment is pretty classy.

[A Fire Inside]

Actually, I was questioning PERRY being an asshole... you say he is classy to be silent but then you also say rock stars should NOT be humble but rather "grandiose".

Maybe you personally do not boycott the band, but you are probably one of few Perryheads who take the time to even listen to Augeri.

[Matthew]

Actually, I was questioning PERRY being an asshole... you say he is classy to be silent but then you also say rock stars should NOT be humble but rather "grandiose".

Maybe you personally do not boycott the band, but you are probably one of few Perryheads who take the time to even listen to Augeri.

Oh...I see...sorry...well, I guess I see Perry as being both "grandiose" and dignified....ALTHOUGH I wish he'd make a definitive statement to us long-suffering PerryHeads. If he's retired, then announce it! If he's coming back...come back!

The cat-and-mouse game...the enigmatic comments...the 'maybe we'll sees'....I'm a bit over it, to be honest.

I don't think this makes him an asshole though...maybe the guy just hasn't made up his mind?

And as for his dealings with Journey....Perry's positive contribution to the band far outweighs the...er, moody moments.

Yes - I tried to like Augeri - and (I know this has been said a million times before) were he to be the frontman in any other band I'd have no problem with the guy.

I'm a big fan of Deen's though...

[A Fire Inside]

Everything you wrote is reversable, Italia.

They are so out of touch, drone and BORING.

As opposed to you, living in 1996?

They make all kinds of excuses for Schon, Cain and Herbie,etc. Talk about hero worship?

LOL! As if Perry doesn't get the same treatment from his 'loyal' fans!

Instead of giving Steve P. his props they have to dissect every action or decision he ever made. Then on top of it, make all sorts of demeaning comments about his current status. His weight, his voice or lack there of. You name it, they got a big negative to lay on him. All this with NO first hand knowledge of any of it!

What about Neal and Jon's props? Didn't they have a part in the success of the band too? I'm sure Perry wasn't doing everything, otherwise his solo career would have been as popular as Journey. But no, Perryheads discredit almost everything they have done because of Trial By Fire... and there are plenty of demeaning comments about the band's current status and weight, age, music, socks in their pants...

Those that have first hand knowledge, choose to take the high road and not comment. Oh, with the exception of HH, Cain and Schon. H'mm wonder why?

The only person you can be referring to with "those" is Perry. Don't make it look like it's a mob vs. Schon and Cain.

That being said, no one "hates" Perry. Maybe they are not impressed with his character... because he has demonstrated time and time again that the only person he cares about is himself and his image. Most people would still agree that he has phenomenal talent and he was a big part of Journey's success. But maybe you should look in the mirror and think about Schon and Cain before you start pointing fingers at other people's "hate".

[NealIsGod]

Italia =

[RossValoryRocks]

Really? What happened?

I particularly remember something Stu (RossValoryRocks) shared one time. If he ever comes back on here, I'll let him share the story.

What do you mean if he ever comes back, Stu ditched the forums?

Nope just REALLY busy right now...I will post my experience sometime in the next day or so...it was BRUTAL, and I wasn't an adult at the time, so it makes it even worse.

[Matthew]

Really? What happened?

I particularly remember something Stu (RossValoryRocks) shared one time. If he ever comes back on here, I'll let him share the story.

What do you mean if he ever comes back, Stu ditched the forums?

Nope just REALLY busy right now...I will post my experience sometime in the next day or so...it was BRUTAL, and I wasn't an adult at the time, so it makes it even worse.

This happened when you were a kid, RVR?

That's a nightmare...I had a bad experience at a meet-and-greet when I was about 13 with Steve Perryman (yes, really), the captain of Tottenham Hotspur (London's greatest soccer club)...and it did my head in...still mortifies me to this day.

[Matthew]

That being said, no one "hates" Perry. Maybe they are not impressed with his character... because he has demonstrated time and time again that the only person he cares about is himself and his image. Most people would still agree that he has phenomenal talent and he was a big part of Journey's success.

This graceful attitude from an AugeriHead is pretty rare, I must say.

Usually it's the trusty technique of thanking Augeri for 'letting the Journey continue' (even though the Perry fronted back catalogue still sells millions)...whilst minimizing Perry's role in the overall history of the band. Honestly...to listen to some AugeriHeads you'd think Robert Fleischman was as crucial to Journey's success as Perry was...

Anyway...just wanted to redress the imbalance in this thread...and get a small resentment off my chest about the idiocy of many AugeriHeads.

[Lula]

I've just never understood the whole P vs A thing. It is music- nothing more, nothing less. Those that have an allegiance to one or the other are out there as far as I'm concerned. Do they think it matters to either man whether or not they possess this sick loyalty?? Do they actually think they give a damn?? It's sad that the music can't be enjoyed as intended by the players.

As for me- I love Perry, have enjoyed Augeri, but I'm a Neal Schon fan !

[NealIsGod]

I've just never understood the whole P vs A thing. It is music- nothing more, nothing less. Those that have an allegiance to one or the other are out there as far as I'm concerned. Do they think it matters to either man whether or not they possess this sick loyalty?? Do they actually think they give a damn?? It's sad that the music can't be enjoyed as intended by the players.

As for me- I love Perry, have enjoyed Augeri, but I'm a Neal Schon fan !

Ah, I knew I liked you.

[Marabelle]

Indifference for Espee. Not care for Agueri. Undecided towards Neal.

[Matthew]

I've just never understood the whole P vs A thing. It is music- nothing more, nothing less. Those that have an allegiance to one or the other are out there as far as I'm concerned. Do they think it matters to either man whether or not they possess this sick loyalty?? Do they actually think they give a damn?? It's sad that the music can't be enjoyed as intended by the players.

As for me- I love Perry, have enjoyed Augeri, but I'm a Neal Schon fan !

Yes - it's completely absurd. But then so is passionately supporting a sports club. Surely the point of fandom is to feel a strong and irrational sense of allegiance?

[Moon Beam]

And in love with Soto right Lula?

[A Fire Inside]

Thanks Matthew, but I am not a "Head" either way... I do love Steve Perry's music (have all his solo albums too) and Augeri has also won me over; I think he is great. Soto has yet to make me forget about the way SA was left behind, but that's another topic. I think all the players have had their faults, though, and I hate seeing any of them held up like saints when really none of them are.

But I still stand by my original answer... Perryheads are far more obnoxious than Augeri's fans.

[RossValoryRocks]

Here goes:

The year: 1980

The Date: May 10th.

Location: Pittsburgh Civic Arena.

Opening Band: The Baby's (with TA DA Jon Cain on keys)

I wasn't quite 11 yet...but...I had a favorite band: Journey!

My dad being aware of the fact that I was a huge Journey fan, and being one of the big wigs in the Pittsburgh PR scene go on the phone with the promoters and arranged to get 2 tickets as well as after show passes.

After the show is over, my father goes where the directions say to go to meet the guys. I am walking on air...my favorite band it the world just delivered a phenomenal concert...and I am gonna meet them.

I get back stage, after a brief wait, the guys start coming in. I get the chance to talk with Neal who is very nice to a little kid obviously awestruck. I talk with Gregg, also very nice. I talk with Smitty who tells me I should be a drummer because they are the heartbeat of the band. Ross spends a LONG time talking with me, asking me questions about Journey and why I like them. During my conversation with Ross, Perry walks in.

He is standing there, speaking with someone he obviously knows, I walk over but keep a respectful distance, holding my Official Departure Tour program, waiting to get the chance to speak to him and have it signed. My heart was going about 1000 miles per hour.

After 5 minutes Perry looks down and says in a nasty voice, "What the fuck do you want?"

I couldn't even speak. I was crushed.

My father who was standing there watching me, storms over, looks Perry in the eye for a long second. Perry just smirks. My dad grabs my arms and walks me out, in tears. Journey almost needed a new lead singer that day not 18 years later.

Any affection I felt for Perry died then and there.

Love the music, hate the man.

I know it isn't the most Christian thing to say, but I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

What happens to a 10 year old (good or bad) tends to stay with him or her for the rest of their lives.

Perry should have known that, even back then, obviously the other guys did.

[NealIsGod]

Wow, you ever talk to Ross about that?

[RossValoryRocks]

Wow, you ever talk to Ross about that?

Yup, Ross...Neal...Jon...all of them...I will keep their part of the conversation private however.

All I will say is they understand how I felt...and how I feel about Perry.

[Matthew]

Here goes:

The year: 1980

The Date: May 10th.

Location: Pittsburgh Civic Arena.

Opening Band: The Baby's (with TA DA Jon Cain on keys)

I wasn't quite 11 yet...but...I had a favorite band: Journey!

My dad being aware of the fact that I was a huge Journey fan, and being one of the big wigs in the Pittsburgh PR scene go on the phone with the promoters and arranged to get 2 tickets as well as after show passes.

After the show is over, my father goes where the directions say to go to meet the guys. I am walking on air...my favorite band it the world just delivered a phenomenal concert...and I am gonna meet them.

I get back stage, after a brief wait, the guys start coming in. I get the chance to talk with Neal who is very nice to a little kid obviously awestruck. I talk with Gregg, also very nice. I talk with Smitty who tells me I should be a drummer because they are the heartbeat of the band. Ross spends a LONG time talking with me, asking me questions about Journey and why I like them. During my conversation with Ross, Perry walks in.

He is standing there, speaking with someone he obviously knows, I walk over but keep a respectful distance, holding my Official Departure Tour program, waiting to get the chance to speak to him and have it signed. My heart was going about 1000 miles per hour.

After 5 minutes Perry looks down and says in a nasty voice, "What the fuck do you want?"

I couldn't even speak. I was crushed.

My father who was standing there watching me, storms over, looks Perry in the eye for a long second. Perry just smirks. My dad grabs my arms and walks me out, in tears. Journey almost needed a new lead singer that day not 18 years later.

Any affection I felt for Perry died then and there.

Love the music, hate the man.

I know it isn't the most Christian thing to say, but I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

What happens to a 10 year old (good or bad) tends to stay with him or her for the rest of their lives.

Perry should have known that, even back then, obviously the other guys did.

That story has actually depressed me...fuck...was this typical, do you think? I'm not excusing Perry here - it's a cheap, lousy way to behave - but....(clinging on desperately to the idea that he's a great guy)...was it maybe an unfortunate off-night?

[NealIsGod]

Wow, you ever talk to Ross about that?

Yup, Ross...Neal...Jon...all of them...I will keep their part of the conversation private however.

All I will say is they understand how I felt...and how I feel about Perry.

Well, the bright side is that the other guys were cool to you.

[RossValoryRocks]

Here goes:

The year: 1980

The Date: May 10th.

Location: Pittsburgh Civic Arena.

Opening Band: The Baby's (with TA DA Jon Cain on keys)

I wasn't quite 11 yet...but...I had a favorite band: Journey!

My dad being aware of the fact that I was a huge Journey fan, and being one of the big wigs in the Pittsburgh PR scene go on the phone with the promoters and arranged to get 2 tickets as well as after show passes.

After the show is over, my father goes where the directions say to go to meet the guys. I am walking on air...my favorite band it the world just delivered a phenomenal concert...and I am gonna meet them.

I get back stage, after a brief wait, the guys start coming in. I get the chance to talk with Neal who is very nice to a little kid obviously awestruck. I talk with Gregg, also very nice. I talk with Smitty who tells me I should be a drummer because they are the heartbeat of the band. Ross spends a LONG time talking with me, asking me questions about Journey and why I like them. During my conversation with Ross, Perry walks in.

He is standing there, speaking with someone he obviously knows, I walk over but keep a respectful distance, holding my Official Departure Tour program, waiting to get the chance to speak to him and have it signed. My heart was going about 1000 miles per hour.

After 5 minutes Perry looks down and says in a nasty voice, "What the fuck do you want?"

I couldn't even speak. I was crushed.

My father who was standing there watching me, storms over, looks Perry in the eye for a long second. Perry just smirks. My dad grabs my arms and walks me out, in tears. Journey almost needed a new lead singer that day not 18 years later.

Any affection I felt for Perry died then and there.

Love the music, hate the man.

I know it isn't the most Christian thing to say, but I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

What happens to a 10 year old (good or bad) tends to stay with him or her for the rest of their lives.

Perry should have known that, even back then, obviously the other guys did.

That story has actually depressed me...fuck...was this typical, do you think? I'm not excusing Perry here - it's a cheap, lousy way to behave - but....(clinging on desperately to the idea that he's a great guy)...was it maybe an unfortunate off-night?

I have heard good stories and bad stories about meeting Perry, the bad outweigh the good by like 3 to 1. Even if he is having an off night...you don't do that too a kid.

[Matthew]

No...you don't do that to a kid....

[RossValoryRocks]

No...you don't do that to a kid....

Not to mention subjecting the fan base to Randy Jackson in Spandex in '86...Good Lord...Perry REALLY has it out for the fans!

[NealIsGod]

No...you don't do that to a kid....

Reminds me of when I was little and a Washington Redskin lived in the house behind ours. I had a broken arm and he was out cutting his lawn. I asked him to sign it, even had a pen ready. He just looked at me and said "Nope." Amazingly, years later, his house was egged on Halloween...

[yak]

Here goes:

The year: 1980

The Date: May 10th.

Location: Pittsburgh Civic Arena.

Opening Band: The Baby's (with TA DA Jon Cain on keys)

I wasn't quite 11 yet...but...I had a favorite band: Journey!

WOW, RVR, sorry you had such a bad experience, especially as a ten year old. That definitely doesn't get forgotten.

Apparently Perry had a disdain for children, even back then.

I've seen it written that Perry is considered to be a prick by many in the music business. Now everybody gets to see one example why.


MATTHEW, there's NO excuse for this kind of behavior toward a genuine fan, off night or not!

[conversationpc]

No...you don't do that to a kid....

Reminds me of when I was little and a Washington Redskin lived in the house behind ours. I had a broken arm and he was out cutting his lawn. I asked him to sign it, even had a pen ready. He just looked at me and said "Nope." Amazingly, years later, his house was egged on Halloween...

My sister lived next to a relative for then Redskins kicker Mark Moseley. The guy had this huge cat that drank beer. Thought that was hilarious at the time.

[Matthew]

No...you don't do that to a kid....

Not to mention subjecting the fan base to Randy Jackson in Spandex in '86...Good Lord...Perry REALLY has it out for the fans!

Oh come on! Randy was nothing but a plus! He put the funk into Journey!

[conversationpc]

No...you don't do that to a kid....

Not to mention subjecting the fan base to Randy Jackson in Spandex in '86...Good Lord...Perry REALLY has it out for the fans!

Oh come on! Randy was nothing but a plus! He put the funk into Journey!

Good bass player...Poor dresser.

[NealIsGod]

Journey is not supposed to be funky.

[A Fire Inside]

I have heard just about the same amount of "good" stories about Perry as "bad" ones, so I don't really feel like I can judge how nice he is. But it sucks that he left you with such a bad memory, RVR.

[Matthew]

MATTHEW, there's NO excuse for this kind of behavior toward a genuine fan, off night or not!

I agree...there's no excuse for this particular incident....but I just wanted to know whether or not it was representative of his overall behaviour toward his fans.