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Postby wildone » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:57 pm

Clasicrockldy wrote:
wildone wrote: well then your gonna love it!!!Because it's pretty much all over for steve a... and the band seems to be making room for the new singer and planning quietly new moves around him....


Ok wild, spill what you know ! :D
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Postby Andrew » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:57 pm

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Dang! I wasn't aware that Jeff was so multi-talented! When did they start doing sign-language versions of the tunes?

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Postby wildone » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:59 pm

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Dang! I wasn't aware that Jeff was so multi-talented! When did they start doing sign-language versions of the tunes?

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Postby Andrew » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:00 pm

Jeremey wrote:
I still may be critisized for saying this, but if Journey departs too much from their signature sound on tape, I just think they should come up with a different name. How much different was "When I See You Smile" from "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever?" Despite the fact that Dianne Warren wrote it, I mean.


vaild point, but I do not think Journey will deviate from their established musical path too much.

That said - the bloody awesome new Talisman album has a super intense mid-tempo rock ballad/anthem on there that could easily be a sign of how Journey with a 2006 style could sound like. I'll preview a clip here next week.
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Postby Clasicrockldy » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:02 pm

That would be great Andrew ! :D
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:12 pm

Jesus Christ....Jeff is THE singer of Journey.

Love him or hate him, he is THE singer. Get used to it.

So long Augeri.

IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.
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Postby The Ghost Rider » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:51 pm

Good music is just that...good music. And I think this line-up has the potential to create some good music. I don't give a rat's ass if they call it Journey, or something else (although personally, I think Neal has every right to call it Journey). If it's good, I'll support them.

Bands evolve, and change. Journey moved on without Perry a LONG time ago...get over it. And now, it certainly looks like they are moving on without Augeri. Of course, both these guys left their "mark" on the band...and obviously Perry moreso. But, he isn't coming back. And even if he did, it would never be as good as it once was. That's just a cold, hard fact. I don't see Augeri coming back, either. If Soto is permanant, and I happen to think he is, then it's time to look to the future. And I happen to think that future looks good. Let's face it, Journey has ALWAYS had a revolving line-up. This is just the latest version. If you don't like it, just wait a little while and it'll change again. :wink:
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:58 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:Jesus Christ....Jeff is THE singer of Journey.

Love him or hate him, he is THE singer. Get used to it.

So long Augeri.

IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.


I'm in Deano... not with the BAD decision, tho :x
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Postby The Ghost Rider » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:05 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:Jesus Christ....Jeff is THE singer of Journey.

Love him or hate him, he is THE singer. Get used to it.

So long Augeri.

IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.





If JSS was a "bad decision"...what would have been a good one? Another Perry soundalike?
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Re: Why Jeff Scott Soto is the man of the hour...

Postby RedWingFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:12 pm

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RossValoryRocks wrote:
Not only can Jeff sing the songs with gusto, and put his OWN stamp on them, he IS NOT a Perry-clone after all, but he brings so much to the plate from an energy point of view.


You know why he isn't a Perry clone? Because he can't get there...NO ONE can. Sure Jeff is awesome, but dude, please.....Jeff can NEVER do Journey music justice, IMO, however, he is 1000% better than a tape or Augeri!



The shows with Jeff singing have gotten NOTHING but rave reviews for the delivery of the material, the showmanship and over all quality of the performances.


Are you in love, with Jeff?

Jeff's energy steps up what the other guys have to do, he makes THEM better and more energized
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Like they have any other choice? Dude, it's their JOB!? They're supposed to be energized for fucks sake!

And above ALL of that is he a real genuine person, as down to earth as they come and EXCITED to be able to give Journey's music to the fans.


Cannot argue that.

I think Steve Augeri has all the same qualities, and I know Deano is going thrash me for that, and so be it, but Steve is NOT able to go right now, perhaps he may never be able to again and Jeff is and he is doing it the RIGHT way: Giving us the music, and singing the songs VERY well.



You lost all credibility, Stu. I can do what Augeri did..So can TNC, Red13, NIG, and even Marabelle. It isn't that hard to sing to a tape.

I know many people have said Journey should pack it in, I disagree, the MUSIC is timeless no matter WHO is singing. If Steve Augeri doesn't come back and Jeff becomes the permanent vocalist I would hope EVERYONE gets behind him (Wishful thinking I know, but I am an optimist!) because not only are the shows ELECTRIC but without him there wouldn't BE a Journey anymore.


Dude, you actually think Augeri has a NO chance of returning? You are dumber than I thought. He is not coming back, and as far as Jeff goes, great for him! He can't sing the catalogue, but my hat is off to him, for trying!

More than ANYTHING I love the music, otherwise I would never have remained a fan. The great thing is Jeff is a fan as well and presents the songs in a way that fans can appreciate.


Doesn't mean he is the best choice for the job. He is NOT the best choice for the job. I love you Jeff, I really do. I think you are awesome, but not this catalogue.

We all should be saying, "Thanks Jeff for making Journey music this summer!" and maybe beyond.


Why is that? After all, wasn't all this tape gate shit just that? ALL Bullshit? If Augeri was so good, why isn't he still singing?

Now...can we talk Neal and the guys into adding Stand Up and Shout to the set??? ;)


Why? It's a Journey show, nothing more.


Right on, on all points Deano, I went to the Indy show with an open mind and was very impressed for the first 2 lines of "Stone in Love". Then they got to the first semi-heavy part of "In the heat with a blue jean girl, burnin love....." I'm sorry, I'm sure JSS is a much better man than to drop an "F bomb" on a 10 year old kid, but he sounded awful. I don't know what all these "rave reviews" are coming from but from what I heard, maybe some don't care how JSS sounds as long as they can sing along themselves and pretend it's 1981 again.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:13 pm

Jeff is cool, but this post makes it sound like he was Journey's one and only possible recourse.
I have no doubt that if the Soto option fell through, there'd be another singer filling in for Augeri.
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Postby Moon Beam » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:14 pm

From what I have heard of Jeff Scott Soto
He is doing just fine on the tour and I am
more than glad he is enjoying himself.

Deano or Clasicrockldy get the noose ready
on the Golden Gate Bridge for me if I don't
get to see them in Cali on the 19 of Aug. :wink:
Spank you kindly for stepping up Sir Soto!


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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:14 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:Jesus Christ....Jeff is THE singer of Journey.

Love him or hate him, he is THE singer. Get used to it.

So long Augeri.

IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.


Yes, VERY BAD decision. If that's the case, 7/22/06 was my last Journey concert.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:18 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
I asked Deen about that very thing in Cincinnati, he said NO. Period. End of Story.

If Jeff hadn't come in then the Journey would have ended.


Elson's comments to a fan contradict this, he claimed they had considered Deen fronting.
The Journey guys have a lot of industry contacts and have auditioned a few replacement singers thru the years.
If Jeff declined, I'm sure there was another singer waiting in the wings.

RossValoryRocks wrote: but without him there wouldn't BE a Journey anymore.


Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
People formerly said the very same thing about Steve Augeri and now he is counting his dimes back home in Bensonhurst.
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Postby Andrew » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:41 pm

Rockn'deano wrote:IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.


...far far from it....
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:46 pm

JSS rocks in...
ROCKS out...
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:54 pm

Andrew wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.


...far far from it....


Sorry Andrew, I know he's your bud, but from an average outsider like me, It was painful.
I wish I had a boot of SIL from Indy for you to hear. The look on my wife's face when he hit the first bridge :shock: WTF was that?
I'm a big Gary Richrath fan of the early REO days and I can guess that Dave Amato is a much better guy to have around, but It's just not REO w/o GR. If Journey doesn't get someone who can do this material, Journey will continue to be an opening act.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:04 pm

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Andrew wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.


...far far from it....


Sorry Andrew, I know he's your bud, but from an average outsider like me, It was painful.
I wish I had a boot of SIL from Indy for you to hear. The look on my wife's face when he hit the first bridge :shock: WTF was that?
I'm a big Gary Richrath fan of the early REO days and I can guess that Dave Amato is a much better guy to have around, but It's just not REO w/o GR. If Journey doesn't get someone who can do this material, Journey will continue to be an opening act.


oh i bet they will be alright. jss keeps getting better with each show. they have got their groove back.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:04 pm

journeygal wrote:JSS rocks in...
ROCKS out...


I don't get the whole "Rocks" thing. If someone "Rocks" off key or w/o holding the note, does it still "Rock"? Or does it suck? Can someone help me out with this? Am I just Crazy? I mean the band "Rocked". It was great hearing "Dead or Alive" and "Chain Reaction"
But the vocals were bad. Not the good bad but the bad bad.
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Postby Andrew » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:07 pm

RaiderFan wrote:But the vocals were bad. Not the good bad but the bad bad.


Can't comment on what you heard - wasn't there. Vast majority of folks seem very happy.
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:18 pm

RaiderFan wrote:Yes, VERY BAD decision. If that's the case, 7/22/06 was my last Journey concert.

I actually bought tickets when I learned Jeff was singing. I guess that cancels out your boycott. :wink:
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Postby Clasicrockldy » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:31 pm

RaiderFan wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:Jesus Christ....Jeff is THE singer of Journey.

Love him or hate him, he is THE singer. Get used to it.

So long Augeri.

IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.


Yes, VERY BAD decision. If that's the case, 7/22/06 was my last Journey concert.


Well, I don't doubt that fans also said that when Perry exited, and Augeri was hired. Augeri did keep the Journey going. And now, I believe that it is time to go into a new direction. JSS is, to me, a good choice, and I wouldn't want to have someone in there that sounds like Perry to do the hits. I like JSS take on the hits. At least his style is his own, and he isn't trying to sound like anyone. And what JSS can bring to the band is a fresh direction musically for Journey. :D
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:32 pm

Andrew wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:But the vocals were bad. Not the good bad but the bad bad.


Can't comment on what you heard - wasn't there. Vast majority of folks seem very happy.


If you heard the Charlotte boot, you were pretty much right there with me. They were pretty much equally bad.

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:oh i bet they will be alright. jss keeps getting better with each show. they have got their groove back.


The Indy show was 12 days ago. I haven't looked at their tour schedule lately, but unless they've played 206 shows in those 12 days with improvement with each show, I don't see how he's magically pulling these songs off. I need to go and count the # of dates between Charlotte and Indy, whice were both awful. I'm guessing it was more than 12 days.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:41 pm

JDouglee wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:Yes, VERY BAD decision. If that's the case, 7/22/06 was my last Journey concert.

I actually bought tickets when I learned Jeff was singing. I guess that cancels out your boycott. :wink:


Who said anything about a boycott? I prefer to hear singers who can sing in key. If you want to shell out money to see him run around on stage w/ his shirt unbuttoned posing for the ladies butchering Journey songs, go right ahead.
I mean I love the Wallflowers studio stuff, but I know Jacob Dylan sounds like crap from their performace on SNL. I'd never lay down money to see them live. I'm sure their are hardcore Wallflower fans who would say "man they ROCKED" despite the crappy vocals. Not me, I just call em like I hear 'em.
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Postby Clasicrockldy » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:41 pm

Clasicrockldy wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:Jesus Christ....Jeff is THE singer of Journey.

Love him or hate him, he is THE singer. Get used to it.

So long Augeri.

IMO, BAD decision. So long Journey.


Yes, VERY BAD decision. If that's the case, 7/22/06 was my last Journey concert.


Well, I don't doubt that fans also said that when Perry exited, and Augeri was hired. Augeri did keep the Journey going. And now, I believe that it is time to go into a new direction. JSS is, to me, a good choice, and I wouldn't want to have someone in there that sounds like Perry to do the hits. I like JSS take on the hits. At least his style is his own, and he isn't trying to sound like anyone. And what JSS can bring to the band is a fresh direction musically for Journey. :D
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:43 pm

unfortunatley i missed them sunday in houston ,, im glad i didnt see your show though,, it sounds a bit weak,, bunch of us are pulling for JSS ,, hes got great pipes, can write, will spar it out in this forum, pretty much a classy dude,, like he said, big break coming up in august,, get some rest,, but fellow, he just stepped in out of nowhere , just took over,, ive listened to soto for years,, im pumped, and besides that , what are u going to do,, your going to count the shows since u saw him? for what? to make a point? the point is , hes singing in the band,, why am i having this conversation again,, its 12:45 am..


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RaiderFan wrote:But the vocals were bad. Not the good bad but the bad bad.


Can't comment on what you heard - wasn't there. Vast majority of folks seem very happy.


If you heard the Charlotte boot, you were pretty much right there with me. They were pretty much equally bad.

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:oh i bet they will be alright. jss keeps getting better with each show. they have got their groove back.


The Indy show was 12 days ago. I haven't looked at their tour schedule lately, but unless they've played 206 shows in those 12 days with improvement with each show, I don't see how he's magically pulling these songs off. I need to go and count the # of dates between Charlotte and Indy, whice were both awful. I'm guessing it was more than 12 days.
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Re: Why Jeff Scott Soto is the man of the hour...

Postby bionic » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:51 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:or longer... ;)

Look folks a lot of us have been going back and forth in real life and in the cyber world about JSS fronting Journey, temporarily or permanently depending on many things.

One thing that gets ignored is the fact that without Jeff stepping up there would be NO Journey this summer, perhaps even no more Journey at all.

Not only can Jeff sing the songs with gusto, and put his OWN stamp on them, he IS NOT a Perry-clone after all, but he brings so much to the plate from an energy point of view.

The shows with Jeff singing have gotten NOTHING but rave reviews for the delivery of the material, the showmanship and over all quality of the performances.

Jeff's energy steps up what the other guys have to do, he makes THEM better and more energized.

And above ALL of that is he a real genuine person, as down to earth as they come and EXCITED to be able to give Journey's music to the fans.

I think Steve Augeri has all the same qualities, and I know Deano is going thrash me for that, and so be it, but Steve is NOT able to go right now, perhaps he may never be able to again and Jeff is and he is doing it the RIGHT way: Giving us the music, and singing the songs VERY well.

I know many people have said Journey should pack it in, I disagree, the MUSIC is timeless no matter WHO is singing. If Steve Augeri doesn't come back and Jeff becomes the permanent vocalist I would hope EVERYONE gets behind him (Wishful thinking I know, but I am an optimist!) because not only are the shows ELECTRIC but without him there wouldn't BE a Journey anymore.

More than ANYTHING I love the music, otherwise I would never have remained a fan. The great thing is Jeff is a fan as well and presents the songs in a way that fans can appreciate.

We all should be saying, "Thanks Jeff for making Journey music this summer!" and maybe beyond.

Now...can we talk Neal and the guys into adding Stand Up and Shout to the set??? ;)


Very true Jeff has done a great job and when he is announced as the new singer i think the band will put the whole tape-gate saga behind them :wink:
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:05 pm

I've stated before that I appreciated him stepping in for S.A. so they wouldn't have to cancel out on the DL tour. I'd much rather see Journey than some other band opening. I know he's in a tough spot, and he came through for Neal and the boys. The issue isn't JSS it's everyone's rose colored glasses. I was pulling for him too. I've never heard his solo stuff, I don't doubt it's good, tailored to his style. My point is he's just not a good fit in this band. You stated "JSS just keeps getting better with every show". How do you know? My point in counting the shows is that he's probably not getting better. If there's no improvement from Charlotte to Indy, how likely is he to improve from Indy to now. I mean if you do decide to see a show, and listen to his vocals objectively. I think you'd come to the same conclusion. Hopefully you'll get the chance to hear them for yourself Larry. Take care man

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:unfortunatley i missed them sunday in houston ,, im glad i didnt see your show though,, it sounds a bit weak,, bunch of us are pulling for JSS ,, hes got great pipes, can write, will spar it out in this forum, pretty much a classy dude,, like he said, big break coming up in august,, get some rest,, but fellow, he just stepped in out of nowhere , just took over,, ive listened to soto for years,, im pumped, and besides that , what are u going to do,, your going to count the shows since u saw him? for what? to make a point? the point is , hes singing in the band,, why am i having this conversation again,, its 12:45 am..


RaiderFan wrote:
Andrew wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:But the vocals were bad. Not the good bad but the bad bad.


Can't comment on what you heard - wasn't there. Vast majority of folks seem very happy.


If you heard the Charlotte boot, you were pretty much right there with me. They were pretty much equally bad.

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:oh i bet they will be alright. jss keeps getting better with each show. they have got their groove back.


The Indy show was 12 days ago. I haven't looked at their tour schedule lately, but unless they've played 206 shows in those 12 days with improvement with each show, I don't see how he's magically pulling these songs off. I need to go and count the # of dates between Charlotte and Indy, whice were both awful. I'm guessing it was more than 12 days.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:18 pm

thanks man, classy response too 8) ,, good way to end it tonite,, see you on wednesday! :D


RaiderFan wrote:I've stated before that I appreciated him stepping in for S.A. so they wouldn't have to cancel out on the DL tour. I'd much rather see Journey than some other band opening. I know he's in a tough spot, and he came through for Neal and the boys. The issue isn't JSS it's everyone's rose colored glasses. I was pulling for him too. I've never heard his solo stuff, I don't doubt it's good, tailored to his style. My point is he's just not a good fit in this band. You stated "JSS just keeps getting better with every show". How do you know? My point in counting the shows is that he's probably not getting better. If there's no improvement from Charlotte to Indy, how likely is he to improve from Indy to now. I mean if you do decide to see a show, and listen to his vocals objectively. I think you'd come to the same conclusion. Hopefully you'll get the chance to hear them for yourself Larry. Take care man

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:unfortunatley i missed them sunday in houston ,, im glad i didnt see your show though,, it sounds a bit weak,, bunch of us are pulling for JSS ,, hes got great pipes, can write, will spar it out in this forum, pretty much a classy dude,, like he said, big break coming up in august,, get some rest,, but fellow, he just stepped in out of nowhere , just took over,, ive listened to soto for years,, im pumped, and besides that , what are u going to do,, your going to count the shows since u saw him? for what? to make a point? the point is , hes singing in the band,, why am i having this conversation again,, its 12:45 am..


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Andrew wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:But the vocals were bad. Not the good bad but the bad bad.


Can't comment on what you heard - wasn't there. Vast majority of folks seem very happy.


If you heard the Charlotte boot, you were pretty much right there with me. They were pretty much equally bad.

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:oh i bet they will be alright. jss keeps getting better with each show. they have got their groove back.


The Indy show was 12 days ago. I haven't looked at their tour schedule lately, but unless they've played 206 shows in those 12 days with improvement with each show, I don't see how he's magically pulling these songs off. I need to go and count the # of dates between Charlotte and Indy, whice were both awful. I'm guessing it was more than 12 days.
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:28 pm

RaiderFan wrote:
JDouglee wrote:
RaiderFan wrote:Yes, VERY BAD decision. If that's the case, 7/22/06 was my last Journey concert.

I actually bought tickets when I learned Jeff was singing. I guess that cancels out your boycott. :wink:

Who said anything about a boycott? I prefer to hear singers who can sing in key.

That's exactly why I bought my tickets. :wink:
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