There Might Be Hope for Journey After All

[Lula]

Well, I'm sorry about the various conditions that people have in here. And it's good that you have a sense of humor about them. I missed the sentence where Lula said she is dyslexic (in the first post), hence my joke about her getting checked. Sorry bout that.

Gee NIG, I certainly didn't mean to get you in trouble!! Yeah, I am dyslexic and I laugh at myself all the time. Ask Dean about my keen sense of direction and the left/right issue Life is a drag if you can't find humor in things. I simply deal with it. I've survived graduate school and can now apply all I've learned through school and experience to help the students I serve. Now everyone get your panties out of that wad and laugh- NOW

[Blueskies]

I like your attitude, lady! Good on ya!

[Blueskies]

I hope my new sig doesn't offend anyone. No invisible people here, are there?

Oooh, I forgot... sorry Perry...

I just meant I don't like their movies, personal preference is all.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why would he want to do that? He wouldn't touch Journey with a 39 1/2 pole.

The JSS-fronted Soul Sirkus impressed Herbie so much at Warfield that he seriously considered coming out of retirement (or at the very least lending the fledgling super group a helping hand).
Perhaps a JSS-fronted Journey will do the same thing,

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well, I risk the fact that what I say is NOT 100% confirmed, however, it is very likely that Journey are dumping the old man, and are going to manage themselves; ie, Neal is taking control

Independant Management.

Umm, I was actually gonna suggest this as a JOKE.
First, they decide to become their own record label, now they will be their own management team, too.
What's next?
Fire the road crew?

[Blueskies]

[Big J]

I'm offended NIG, as someone who's nothing to look at.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Why would he want to do that? He wouldn't touch Journey with a 39 1/2 pole.

The JSS-fronted Soul Sirkus impressed Herbie so much at Warfield that he seriously considered coming out of retirement (or at the very least lending the fledgling super group a helping hand).
Perhaps a JSS-fronted Journey will do the same thing,

Something involving Azoff made Herbie back off big time....never did find out what happened.

[cudaclan]

... I've survived graduate school and can now apply all I've learned through school and experience to help the students I serve...

Lula, are you a Sped Aid (teacher)?

[Monker]

Drag HH out of retirement...

Why would he want to do that? He wouldn't touch Journey with a 39 1/2 pole.

Why not? Perry's not there...

Well, let's count the reasons:

He's been retired for years.

Whether you believve Journey's story or his, he was either asked to leave for TBF, or he allowed somebody else to take over. Either way, he backed off and allowed himself to be replaced for TBF, which also meant axing his ideas for Chalfant fronting the band and Gregg coming back.

He has nothing to gain from Journey. They are on their last breaths of life. There isn't anything he can really do for them now.

If he wanted to manage a band, wouldn't he rather put time into an up and coming band that had thirty years ahead of them, instead of thirty years behind them?

Finally, the bottom line is there really isn't much money in it for him now...at least not when compared to the past or if he took on somebody new to the business.

Perry is irrelevant...he has been for years. I think a large part of Herbie's gripe with him is that some fans place Perry higher then Herbie thinks he deserves...Managing Journey isn't going to change that and I'm sure he knows it.

[Monker]

Neal is taking control

Independant Management.

Well, then they're screwed.

Not really...it's not like Journey has been motivated enough to do much of anything besides tour anyway. I'm sure they can find somebody to book a tour and pay them a LOT less then what they were paying Azoff.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Drag HH out of retirement...

Why would he want to do that? He wouldn't touch Journey with a 39 1/2 pole.

Why not? Perry's not there...

Well, let's count the reasons:

He's been retired for years.

Whether you believve Journey's story or his, he was either asked to leave for TBF, or he allowed somebody else to take over. Either way, he backed off and allowed himself to be replaced for TBF, which also meant axing his ideas for Chalfant fronting the band and Gregg coming back.

He has nothing to gain from Journey. They are on their last breaths of life. There isn't anything he can really do for them now.

If he wanted to manage a band, wouldn't he rather put time into an up and coming band that had thirty years ahead of them, instead of thirty years behind them?

Finally, the bottom line is there really isn't much money in it for him now...at least not when compared to the past or if he took on somebody new to the business.

Perry is irrelevant...he has been for years. I think a large part of Herbie's gripe with him is that some fans place Perry higher then Herbie thinks he deserves...Managing Journey isn't going to change that and I'm sure he knows it.

Oooookay Monkey.
And according to you the Perry-era dvds weren't going to sell squat, right?
Don't let your dellusions interfere with reality.

Again, the JSS-fronted Soul Sirkus impressed Herbie so much at Warfield that he seriously considered coming out of retirement (or at the very least lending the fledgling super group a helping hand).
Perhaps a JSS-fronted Journey will do the same thing,

[Monker]

Why would he want to do that? He wouldn't touch Journey with a 39 1/2 pole.

The JSS-fronted Soul Sirkus impressed Herbie so much at Warfield that he seriously considered coming out of retirement (or at the very least lending the fledgling super group a helping hand).

Then he came to his senses. SS wasn't going to go anywhere. I could tell that from the start...If I could see that, I'm sure Herbie could.

Perhaps a JSS-fronted Journey will do the same thing,

It doesn't matter who is singing or who is managing, it's all downhill after this tour is over.

[Monker]

Why would he want to do that? He wouldn't touch Journey with a 39 1/2 pole.

The JSS-fronted Soul Sirkus impressed Herbie so much at Warfield that he seriously considered coming out of retirement (or at the very least lending the fledgling super group a helping hand).
Perhaps a JSS-fronted Journey will do the same thing,

Something involving Azoff made Herbie back off big time....never did find out what happened.

Considering some of the things JSS said - It's probably the competition for Neal's time in Journey. In fact, if Azoff is history, maybe THAT is the reason...so Neal can be in Journey and search for a replacement band at the same time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

SS wasn't going to go anywhere. I could tell that from the start...If I could see that, I'm sure Herbie could.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
You said the Perry-era dvds wouldn't sell jack diddly - wrong.
You said TapeGate was a figment of Deano's spastic imagination - wrong.
The chief vocal proponent of "Perry's hip is BS" now takes Journey's sanitized PR releases as gospel truth.
Wake the fuck up, assclown.

It doesn't matter who is singing or who is managing, it's all downhill after this tour is over.

What do you care.
In all of it's 8 years of existence, you left ur Iowan hog farm to go see current Journey- what?
Twice?
Maybe three times tops?

[Monker]

And according to you the Perry-era dvds weren't going to sell squat, right?

That's not what I said AT ALL.

THIS IS WHAT I SAID:

Post to alt.music.journey 10/24/2003:


The Arrival DVD went gold. It sold VERY well. I doubt you will see that
happen with this DVD simply because there is NO promotion for it. At least
the Arrival DVD had the promotion of a tour, a CD, a pay per view concert,
and even the BTM...Nobody outside those who follow every move the band makes
will even know this new DVD exists. The one thing going for it is the
price...I've seen it for under $10. It must be some kinda cheesy package
for it to be price less then a CD.

The Perry era Journey WAS the most popular...But, nostalgic releases with NO
promotion will not outsell new releases WITH promotion. Steve Perry isn't
this magic bullet that sells albums. It's a bit harder to sell something
when nobody even knows the bullet came out of the gun, isn't it?

I said that about the crappy GH DVD...just after seeing the bullshit list of songs, not all of the videos, and many of them taken from the Escape concert. That DVD is crap. Why anybody would buy that junk is beyond me. You'd be better off spending $40 for a copy of froy's compilation. At least you would have all of the videos and a bunch of extras. But, hey, the crappy GH DVD is less then $10 at Wallmart, so why not?

I said the Excape DVD would be the best selling DVD they could release...and the only one I had an interest in buying. That's the one everybody wants. I also said that would probably be the last one. Do you want me to find those posts too?

Making the statement that I said, "the Perry-era dvds weren't going to sell squat" is either coming from complete ignorance, or is an absolute lie. Which is it?

Don't let your dellusions inte

Don't let your fantasies of what you WISH I had said interfere with the reality of what I did say. Go back to the newsgroup archives and look for yourself.

Again, the JSS-fronted Soul Sirkus impressed Herbie so much at Warfield that he seriously considered coming out of retirement (or at the very least lending the fledgling super group a helping hand).
Perhaps a JSS-fronted Journey will do the same thing,

As I said, he came to his senses about SS...and I have no reason to believe he would give Journey another chance. Prove to me that he is.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's not what I said AT ALL.

Sure it is.

THIS IS WHAT I SAID:

Post to alt.music.journey 10/24/2003:


The Arrival DVD went gold. It sold VERY well. I doubt you will see that
happen with this DVD simply because there is NO promotion for it. At least
the Arrival DVD had the promotion of a tour, a CD, a pay per view concert,
and even the BTM...Nobody outside those who follow every move the band makes
will even know this new DVD exists. The one thing going for it is the
price...I've seen it for under $10. It must be some kinda cheesy package
for it to be price less then a CD.

The Perry era Journey WAS the most popular...But, nostalgic releases with NO
promotion will not outsell new releases WITH promotion. Steve Perry isn't
this magic bullet that sells albums. It's a bit harder to sell something
when nobody even knows the bullet came out of the gun, isn't it?

I said that about the crappy GH DVD...just after seeing the bullshit list of songs, not all of the videos, and many of them taken from the Escape concert. That DVD is crap. Why anybody would buy that junk is beyond me. You'd be better off spending $40 for a copy of froy's compilation. At least you would have all of the videos and a bunch of extras. But, hey, the crappy GH DVD is less then $10 at Wallmart, so why not?

I said the Excape DVD would be the best selling DVD they could release...and the only one I had an interest in buying. That's the one everybody wants. I also said that would probably be the last one. Do you want me to find those posts too?

Making the statement that I said, "the Perry-era dvds weren't going to sell squat" is either coming from complete ignorance, or is an absolute lie. Which is it?

Wow, big difference.
So you said the initial Perry dvd wouldn't sell squat and instead, it sold like hotcakes.
Just goes to show that your soothsaying powers are about as accurate as Madame Cleos, now get the fuck outta here.

[Monker]

You said the Perry-era dvds wouldn't sell jack diddly - wrong.

That's bullshit. Find the quote.

You said TapeGate was a figment of Deano's spastic imagination - wrong.

Again, that's bullshit. Show me the quote. I have said from the beginning that there is absolutely no hard evidence of it...and there still isn't.

The chief vocal proponent of "Perry's hip is BS"

And, that is BS too. I have said from time I first started commenting on it that I didn't know if it was true or not. There eis too many conflicting stories, even from Perry himself, for me to believe it...and there isn't enough for me to be certain it didn't happen.

now takes Journey's sanitized PR releases as gospel truth.

LOL...I don't take them as gospel. But, I also don't take Dean as gospel either, or you, or Herbie. If there isn't something else to back it up, then it's just a statement from that person's perspective - with no hard evidence behind it.

Wake the fuck up, assclown.

Make me, you silly weenie! LOL.

What do you care.
In all of it's 8 years of existence, you left ur Iowan hog farm to go see current Journey- what?
Twice?
Maybe three times tops?

LOL...actually, never left the state to see Journey. The furthest I went was Council Bluffs for the Main Event tour....and that was only because they were with Styx. If I had waited a couple weeks, that wouldn't have happened either - cuz I would have saw them in Ames.

As far as it goes, I can't see Journey making it through another vocalist change after Perry. It just doesn't happen. Once sure...but name a band that has survived two vocalist changes and maintained the same degree of popularity. It's starting to REALLY go against the odds.

Ya all will be seeing Journey at balloon festivals in a couple years. But, hey, maybe they'll be opening for Styx or Dennis DeYoung. Could be interesting.

[Monker]

Wow, big difference.
So you said the initial Perry dvd wouldn't sell squat and instead, it sold like hotcakes.
Just goes to show that your soothsaying powers are about as accurate as Madame Cleos, now get the fuck outta here.

It didn't sell like 'hotcakes'. It took almost the same amount of time for it to go gold as it did for the 2001 DVD. It just kept selling for a longer time.

And, it IS a big difference. If you are going to go about saying I said this and that, at least know what the hell you are talking about.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It took almost the same amount of time for it to go gold as it did for the 2001 DVD.

Quit with the crafty subterfuge.
2001 reached gold and stayed there.
The Perry dvd went on to hit platinum.

And, it IS a big difference. If you are going to go about saying I said this and that, at least know what the hell you are talking about.

Fine. From now on I'll add the qualifier, "Monker swore that the first Perry dvd wouldn't sell spit".
You were still wrong then and remain so to this day.
Now go put on your french maid uniform and await Froy's daily assfucking.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As far as it goes, I can't see Journey making it through another vocalist change after Perry. It just doesn't happen. Once sure...but name a band that has survived two vocalist changes and maintained the same degree of popularity. It's starting to REALLY go against the odds.

How much can it possibly hurt?
By and large, people come to hear "Journey" songs.
Regardless, if it's Augeri, Soto, Castronovo etc etc.

[Moon Beam]

Fine. From now on I'll add the qualifier, "Monker swore that the first Perry dvd wouldn't sell spit".
You were still wrong then and remain so to this day.
Now go put on your french maid uniform and await Froy's daily assfucking.

Smoked

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, that is BS too. I have said from time I first started commenting on it that I didn't know if it was true or not.

Yeah, because this sounds like a guy who is really on the fence regarding the veracity of Perry's illness...

YOU need a reality check if you believe Perry was lame after Hawaii...he wasn't. He may have needed surgery for some degenerative condition...but, he wasn't stuck in bed, walking about with crutches, or even a cane.

[Clasicrockldy]

Monker is long winded !

[Lula]

... I've survived graduate school and can now apply all I've learned through school and experience to help the students I serve...

Lula, are you a Sped Aid (teacher)?

Yes, I am a Special Education teacher. Are you?

[Rockindeano]

tOO MUCH.

TNC, whipping poor Monkers ass...yes it deserves it.

[Moon Beam]

.. I've survived graduate school and can now apply all I've learned through school and experience to help the students I serve...

Nicely put Lula

[johnroxx]

Hey Roxx, Blow me, you sewer rat.

I am hardly ever wrong on here. People are pissed about my delivery, not my thoughts.

You have been wrong on everything so far.

Oh yeah, GO TO HELL.

Well, Beano, you're clearly dismayed that yet another person unwilling to swallow your ongoing BS has invaded your territory, ie: this board.

Otherwise, why on earth would you continue to call me schoolyard-grade names, fail to acknowledge when you've been proven wrong, and, most pathetic of all, spout bald-faced lies about me that are clear to anyone who's read my posts and has even a fifth-grade level of comprehension of the English language (see ridiculous claim highlighted above)?

Pissed that I'm here, eh?

Two words for ya, Bubba: tough tits.

;^)

[Andrew]

Hey Roxx, Blow me, you sewer rat.

I am hardly ever wrong on here. People are pissed about my delivery, not my thoughts.

A delivery which is so elequent and delightfully flowery.

[johnroxx]

Hey Roxx, Blow me, you sewer rat.

I am hardly ever wrong on here. People are pissed about my delivery, not my thoughts.

A delivery which is so elequent and delightfully flowery.

Yep...and offered up with all the style and intelligence of an empty napkin dispenser.

;^)