just listened to a boot from one of the shows with JSS

[yulog]

i hate to say this i really do because i cant sing a lick and i know everyone here loves JSS but i could never pay to go hear what im hearing in the boots not a chance im going to go listen again but geez my first impression is well i just wont even go there im going to listen to the rest of the songs before i make any hasty judgement

[Moon Beam]

i hate to say this i really do because i cant sing a lick and i know everyone here loves JSS but i could never pay to go hear what im hearing in the boots not a chance im going to go listen again but geez my first impression is well i just wont even go there im going to listen to the rest of the songs before i make any hasty judgement

How many songs we talking here?
How many do ya have and how many listened to so far?

[yulog]

this is just not good it just doesnt work at all theres about 15 songs JSS sings 11 and the only one i didnt turn off within the first minute was Dead or alive. Im sorry i know everyone wants him to be the new guy i mean his got a lot of talent but he just doesnt fit here i was really expecting something different--it doesnt sound like journey at all except when deen sings now he sounds like journey im going to apologize now(DONT WANT OFFEND ANYONE INCLUDING JSS) im not trying to start anything up im really bothered by this,this just cant be the next step

[rdekker]

I have heard 3 JSS bootlegs from the current tour and most of the time it feels like JSS is overscreaming his own voice, he's trying to reach heights that he can't reach. i have two bootlegs from last year's Soul Sirkus tour and those are wonderful, you can hear when the song was written for his voice and when he's trying to sing Journey songs that are out of his reach.

He's a wonderful singer with a very powerful voice but just not cut out to be the new Journey singer, unless they forget about the old stuff and write new material for his style of singing (which I would really like to hear someday), I still remain a huge JSS fan, also after hearing the bootlegs.

[Aaron]

Yulog,

I've heard the boots and see them live in Indy. I agree with your comments and I won't be back to see them again with JSS. He's a great guy, has good stage presence and is clearly a leader on stage. His voice just doesn't fit Journey IMHO.

L8r,

Aaron

[Nunnayerbiz Ness]

This just simply amazes me...I read here all the time but don't post but it just keeps going back & forth to the point of redundancy!

JSS is not Augeri or Perry, ok we've established this!

Augeri replaces Perry = soundalike with no new hits but Journey able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Open Arms kicks in.
Ripper Owens replces Halford = soundalike with no newfound success except for being able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Breaking The Law kicks in.

Yet,

Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
Johnson replaces Scott = no soundalike but AC/DC have a 2nd life just as if not more successful
Dickinson replaces DiAnno = no soundalike but Iron Maiden go beyond their wildest imagination of success because of it
Rodgers replaces Mercury = no soundalike but Queen go on to a successful world tour & live DVD
Jamison replaces Bickler = new guy sounds more like Perry & Survivor have more success than 1st 2 albums

I think you get the gist here...there are many more I am sure others will add to this list but bottom line...what the hell is wrong with Journey going outside the box & getting someone (IMO) who can sing the songs just fine yet may give them a new spark, a new life, past the dirty dozen? Do you just want Journey to continue as a karaoke band or find some tired old fat guy who can hit the notes but not give a new vitality to the band, which they seem to be getting on the road?

From the majority of what I read, reviews from papers & fans alike are loving the SHOWS, you guys are listening to boots without realizing there is activity, movement, interaction, etc., going on which make for imperfection in performance. Britney & Madonna move a lot & are perfect but they aint singing.

The ONLY reason I post this is because ironically earlier today I was watching the Frontiers & Beyond DVD, Perry was so active onstage that his vocals were imperfect, as well, he reinvented the melodies to most songs, much in the same way Freddie Mercury did with Queen live, because he was so active. Listen to this with eyes closed & it aint that great (& don't even bring up the Houston '81 DVD, when you know you're filming a particular show, you're gonna give it more attention then when you're filming every night just for footage needed in a documentary!).

This thread will probably go a few pages now, but honestly, isn't this stuff you all covered already? You have no clue or even right to pass judgement on what it might be until you get a new piece of silver plastic to place in your stereo & judge...till then, it's just a tour, it's a new approach....hell, let's call it Evolution, just to keep it in the family!

[jrnysc]

Hey guys,

I have heard the boot from our Charlotte show as well. I agree the boots sound "not too good". He seems to do better on the rocking stuff. Ask The Lonely and Stone In Love were pretty bad on the boot. The point I would like to make is they sounded very good when I was at the concert. I realize crowd noise, etc. make a difference but it was a much different experience than the boot.

[Matthew]

This just simply amazes me...I read here all the time but don't post but it just keeps going back & forth to the point of redundancy!

JSS is not Augeri or Perry, ok we've established this!

Augeri replaces Perry = soundalike with no new hits but Journey able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Open Arms kicks in.
Ripper Owens replces Halford = soundalike with no newfound success except for being able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Breaking The Law kicks in.

Yet,

Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
Johnson replaces Scott = no soundalike but AC/DC have a 2nd life just as if not more successful
Dickinson replaces DiAnno = no soundalike but Iron Maiden go beyond their wildest imagination of success because of it
Rodgers replaces Mercury = no soundalike but Queen go on to a successful world tour & live DVD
Jamison replaces Bickler = new guy sounds more like Perry & Survivor have more success than 1st 2 albums

I think you get the gist here...there are many more I am sure others will add to this list but bottom line...what the hell is wrong with Journey going outside the box & getting someone (IMO) who can sing the songs just fine yet may give them a new spark, a new life, past the dirty dozen? Do you just want Journey to continue as a karaoke band or find some tired old fat guy who can hit the notes but not give a new vitality to the band, which they seem to be getting on the road?

From the majority of what I read, reviews from papers & fans alike are loving the SHOWS, you guys are listening to boots without realizing there is activity, movement, interaction, etc., going on which make for imperfection in performance. Britney & Madonna move a lot & are perfect but they aint singing.

The ONLY reason I post this is because ironically earlier today I was watching the Frontiers & Beyond DVD, Perry was so active onstage that his vocals were imperfect, as well, he reinvented the melodies to most songs, much in the same way Freddie Mercury did with Queen live, because he was so active. Listen to this with eyes closed & it aint that great (& don't even bring up the Houston '81 DVD, when you know you're filming a particular show, you're gonna give it more attention then when you're filming every night just for footage needed in a documentary!).

This thread will probably go a few pages now, but honestly, isn't this stuff you all covered already? You have no clue or even right to pass judgement on what it might be until you get a new piece of silver plastic to place in your stereo & judge...till then, it's just a tour, it's a new approach....hell, let's call it Evolution, just to keep it in the family!

Great post. I totally agree with you...

[rdekker]

I agree with this, that's why I'd love to go and see JSS with Journey, if he stays with the band I sure hope they will tour europe next spring like they promised when they were here last June. Frankly I would go to see them no matter who sings..
Neals presence is enough to be there..

Hey guys,

I have heard the boot from our Charlotte show as well. I agree the boots sound "not too good". He seems to do better on the rocking stuff. Ask The Lonely and Stone In Love were pretty bad on the boot. The point I would like to make is they sounded very good when I was at the concert. I realize crowd noise, etc. make a difference but it was a much different experience than the boot.

[jrnysc]

I agree with this, that's why I'd love to go and see JSS with Journey, if he stays with the band I sure hope they will tour europe next spring like they promised when they were here last June. Frankly I would go to see them no matter who sings..
Neals presence is enough to be there..

Hey guys,

I have heard the boot from our Charlotte show as well. I agree the boots sound "not too good". He seems to do better on the rocking stuff. Ask The Lonely and Stone In Love were pretty bad on the boot. The point I would like to make is they sounded very good when I was at the concert. I realize crowd noise, etc. make a difference but it was a much different experience than the boot.

It is plenty worth the money!! Some of the songs in the boot all you could hear was a lot of bass and drums. Could not hardly hear Seperate Ways at all. It was plenty loud live!!

[Nunnayerbiz Ness]

Another thing I forgot to point out was your beloved boots occured within the 1st 5 shows JSS did with Journey...reading back, the reviews were somewhat mixed & scattered. The rave/amazing reviews began pretty much just after that, start with the review section on the Journey site alone for starters, see what I'm talking about.

You boot lovers/collectors need to be finding ones from the say the last week of the 1st leg, see if you hear a difference, I sure as hell did in Dallas! I'd say helluva job for jumping in with no rehearsal, no history with the band, just kicked onstage to start singing, I think most, even the best, might take a few gigs to 'warm in', no?

[jrnysc]

Another thing I forgot to point out was your beloved boots occured within the 1st 5 shows JSS did with Journey...reading back, the reviews were somewhat mixed & scattered. The rave/amazing reviews began pretty much just after that, start with the review section on the Journey site alone for starters, see what I'm talking about.

You boot lovers/collectors need to be finding ones from the say the last week of the 1st leg, see if you hear a difference, I sure as hell did in Dallas! I'd say helluva job for jumping in with no rehearsal, no history with the band, just kicked onstage to start singing, I think most, even the best, might take a few gigs to 'warm in', no?

Another great point. I have yet another. JSS said himself he was a little under the weather during the I believe Atlanta and Charlotte shows. I believe he said one of the road crew had made him ill.

[zino]

Another thing I forgot to point out was your beloved boots occured within the 1st 5 shows JSS did with Journey...reading back, the reviews were somewhat mixed & scattered. The rave/amazing reviews began pretty much just after that, start with the review section on the Journey site alone for starters, see what I'm talking about.

You boot lovers/collectors need to be finding ones from the say the last week of the 1st leg, see if you hear a difference, I sure as hell did in Dallas! I'd say helluva job for jumping in with no rehearsal, no history with the band, just kicked onstage to start singing, I think most, even the best, might take a few gigs to 'warm in', no?

Another great point. I have yet another. JSS said himself he was a little under the weather during the I believe Atlanta and Charlotte shows. I believe he said one of the road crew had made him ill.

These points are great. I saw the 3rd show with JSS in West Palm Beach and they opened with Faith In The Heartland...an Augeri song that he had less than a week to learn !!!! I tought he gave an awesome performence.. a total one, stage presence, vocals which were good , had a rougher edge to them but I thought it worked well, especially on the heavier material. Where Were You rocked !!!!!!!!!!. I hope they move foward with JSS

[Eric]

Initially I had mixed feelings about the boot....but I'm completely in love with most of it now, except Ask the Lonely still doesn't right. I think this is a new beginning. The pretty J is donzo

[MartyMoffatt]

This just simply amazes me...I read here all the time but don't post but it just keeps going back & forth to the point of redundancy!

JSS is not Augeri or Perry, ok we've established this!

Augeri replaces Perry = soundalike with no new hits but Journey able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Open Arms kicks in.
Ripper Owens replces Halford = soundalike with no newfound success except for being able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Breaking The Law kicks in.

Yet,

Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
Johnson replaces Scott = no soundalike but AC/DC have a 2nd life just as if not more successful
Dickinson replaces DiAnno = no soundalike but Iron Maiden go beyond their wildest imagination of success because of it
Rodgers replaces Mercury = no soundalike but Queen go on to a successful world tour & live DVD
Jamison replaces Bickler = new guy sounds more like Perry & Survivor have more success than 1st 2 albums

I think you get the gist here...there are many more I am sure others will add to this list but bottom line...what the hell is wrong with Journey going outside the box & getting someone (IMO) who can sing the songs just fine yet may give them a new spark, a new life, past the dirty dozen? Do you just want Journey to continue as a karaoke band or find some tired old fat guy who can hit the notes but not give a new vitality to the band, which they seem to be getting on the road?

From the majority of what I read, reviews from papers & fans alike are loving the SHOWS, you guys are listening to boots without realizing there is activity, movement, interaction, etc., going on which make for imperfection in performance. Britney & Madonna move a lot & are perfect but they aint singing.

The ONLY reason I post this is because ironically earlier today I was watching the Frontiers & Beyond DVD, Perry was so active onstage that his vocals were imperfect, as well, he reinvented the melodies to most songs, much in the same way Freddie Mercury did with Queen live, because he was so active. Listen to this with eyes closed & it aint that great (& don't even bring up the Houston '81 DVD, when you know you're filming a particular show, you're gonna give it more attention then when you're filming every night just for footage needed in a documentary!).

This thread will probably go a few pages now, but honestly, isn't this stuff you all covered already? You have no clue or even right to pass judgement on what it might be until you get a new piece of silver plastic to place in your stereo & judge...till then, it's just a tour, it's a new approach....hell, let's call it Evolution, just to keep it in the family!

Great debut post. Right on the nail.

Marty

[brywool]

I totally agree with the yulog...
I listened to the entire Charlotte and Atlanta bootlegs and it was THE WORST live vocal performance by a band that I can remember. Even the band, though playing heavier in spots (which should be cool), wasn't great. "Only the Young" from one of them was insanely horrible. I listened to both boots again yesterday and I stand by that.

HOWEVER, singers can have off shows, it's possible both of these were bad shows. Someone needs to point me to a good live JSS JOURNEY boot. Funny though, even when people said the Charlotte or Atlanta ones were good, they were still crap, so I guess "good" is a relative term. I think I wrote a review of that a few weeks ago.
Terrible and until I hear differently, I can't get behind the new Journey.

If he records new music with the band, that's different. That could work. But him singing the old songs doesn't work from I've heard.

[lights1961]

all I will say is JSS ROCKS with the big time--he deserves to be there!!

Rick

[Classic Rock]

I haven't listened to any of the bootlegs, in fact I refuse to because at this point in time I KNOW what he can do. I saw Journey less than a week ago and it was amazing. I like to hear songs live as they are on the cd (vocally anyway). JSS was not totally there but he was damn close. Maybe the adrenaline and the excitement at the time clouded my judgement but I am telling you I enjoyed every second of it. I am excited about JSS possibly fronting them.

[FormerJrnyFan]

This just simply amazes me...I read here all the time but don't post but it just keeps going back & forth to the point of redundancy!...

Excellent post, Nunna. Judging from the many reviews I've read, JSS is doing an excellent job and his stage presence is unbelieveable. He is an awesome singer and I for one, am glad that he stepped up to help Journey.

[The Fly]

This just simply amazes me...I read here all the time but don't post but it just keeps going back & forth to the point of redundancy!

JSS is not Augeri or Perry, ok we've established this!

Augeri replaces Perry = soundalike with no new hits but Journey able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Open Arms kicks in.
Ripper Owens replces Halford = soundalike with no newfound success except for being able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Breaking The Law kicks in.

Yet,

Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
Johnson replaces Scott = no soundalike but AC/DC have a 2nd life just as if not more successful
Dickinson replaces DiAnno = no soundalike but Iron Maiden go beyond their wildest imagination of success because of it
Rodgers replaces Mercury = no soundalike but Queen go on to a successful world tour & live DVD
Jamison replaces Bickler = new guy sounds more like Perry & Survivor have more success than 1st 2 albums

I think you get the gist here...there are many more I am sure others will add to this list but bottom line...what the hell is wrong with Journey going outside the box & getting someone (IMO) who can sing the songs just fine yet may give them a new spark, a new life, past the dirty dozen? Do you just want Journey to continue as a karaoke band or find some tired old fat guy who can hit the notes but not give a new vitality to the band, which they seem to be getting on the road?

From the majority of what I read, reviews from papers & fans alike are loving the SHOWS, you guys are listening to boots without realizing there is activity, movement, interaction, etc., going on which make for imperfection in performance. Britney & Madonna move a lot & are perfect but they aint singing.

The ONLY reason I post this is because ironically earlier today I was watching the Frontiers & Beyond DVD, Perry was so active onstage that his vocals were imperfect, as well, he reinvented the melodies to most songs, much in the same way Freddie Mercury did with Queen live, because he was so active. Listen to this with eyes closed & it aint that great (& don't even bring up the Houston '81 DVD, when you know you're filming a particular show, you're gonna give it more attention then when you're filming every night just for footage needed in a documentary!).

This thread will probably go a few pages now, but honestly, isn't this stuff you all covered already? You have no clue or even right to pass judgement on what it might be until you get a new piece of silver plastic to place in your stereo & judge...till then, it's just a tour, it's a new approach....hell, let's call it Evolution, just to keep it in the family!

Great post. I totally agree with you...

I completely disagree! You can't compare any of those to this Band. And if the singer can't make the old songs sound as good why make new music? I have heard the boots and wanted to puke! JSS is a great talent. But he's a horrible fit for Journey.

[atomicpunk5151]

Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH

I don't post much & this is slightly off topic but......

You are WAY OFF on this one about VH. Get your facts straight. Van Hagar never came close to selling what Van Halen/Roth did. Not to mention that the music and live show of Van Halen 74-84 blow Van Hagar 85-95/04 away.

VH1 sold over 10 million, VH2 sold almost 6 mil, 1984 sold over 10 million. With Hagar 5150 sold 6 million, the next few albums ou812, Fuck & Balance sold less with each release. See RIAA.com for further details.

VanHalen 10.3 Million
VanHalen II 5.7 Million
Women and Children First 4.3 Million
Fair Warning 3.4 Million
Diver Down 4 Million
1984 10 Million

5150 6 million
ou812 4 million
Fuck 3 million
RHRN 2 million
Balance 3 million

[odessa]

This just simply amazes me...I read here all the time but don't post but it just keeps going back & forth to the point of redundancy!

JSS is not Augeri or Perry, ok we've established this!

Augeri replaces Perry = soundalike with no new hits but Journey able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Open Arms kicks in.
Ripper Owens replces Halford = soundalike with no newfound success except for being able to tour & drive the crowd into a frenzy when Breaking The Law kicks in.

Yet,

Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
Johnson replaces Scott = no soundalike but AC/DC have a 2nd life just as if not more successful
Dickinson replaces DiAnno = no soundalike but Iron Maiden go beyond their wildest imagination of success because of it
Rodgers replaces Mercury = no soundalike but Queen go on to a successful world tour & live DVD
Jamison replaces Bickler = new guy sounds more like Perry & Survivor have more success than 1st 2 albums

I think you get the gist here...there are many more I am sure others will add to this list but bottom line...what the hell is wrong with Journey going outside the box & getting someone (IMO) who can sing the songs just fine yet may give them a new spark, a new life, past the dirty dozen? Do you just want Journey to continue as a karaoke band or find some tired old fat guy who can hit the notes but not give a new vitality to the band, which they seem to be getting on the road?

From the majority of what I read, reviews from papers & fans alike are loving the SHOWS, you guys are listening to boots without realizing there is activity, movement, interaction, etc., going on which make for imperfection in performance. Britney & Madonna move a lot & are perfect but they aint singing.

The ONLY reason I post this is because ironically earlier today I was watching the Frontiers & Beyond DVD, Perry was so active onstage that his vocals were imperfect, as well, he reinvented the melodies to most songs, much in the same way Freddie Mercury did with Queen live, because he was so active. Listen to this with eyes closed & it aint that great (& don't even bring up the Houston '81 DVD, when you know you're filming a particular show, you're gonna give it more attention then when you're filming every night just for footage needed in a documentary!).

This thread will probably go a few pages now, but honestly, isn't this stuff you all covered already? You have no clue or even right to pass judgement on what it might be until you get a new piece of silver plastic to place in your stereo & judge...till then, it's just a tour, it's a new approach....hell, let's call it Evolution, just to keep it in the family!

Good post and great points!

[Eric]

atomicpunk5151,

You are correct. People do make that mistake all the time, including me.

However, do you know what the sales were of each at the time Sammy took over? I'm just wondering if Sammy may have helped sell their back catalog?

[conversationpc]

atomicpunk5151,

You are correct. People do make that mistake all the time, including me.

However, do you know what the sales were of each at the time Sammy took over? I'm just wondering if Sammy may have helped sell their back catalog?

Count me as one of those that purchased the back catalogue because of the "5150" album.

[odessa]

This just simply amazes me...I read here all the time but don't post but it just keeps going back & forth to the point of redundancy!...

Excellent post, Nunna. Judging from the many reviews I've read, JSS is doing an excellent job and his stage presence is unbelieveable. He is an awesome singer and I for one, am glad that he stepped up to help Journey.

Not much I can add to this because I feel the same as you Journeygal. I am happy for Journey and VERY happy for JSS! I look forward to new beginnings. Change is never easy, but many times, it's for the best.

There is a fresh, new, energy that I feel now I give JSS a lot of credit for stepping into this role. It’s a role that would not be easy for anyone, especially given the circumstances. People will always find something wrong or criticize-it's the nature of the beast. Although I am a Perry fan, I don't want to live in the past. Those days are over! I can relive them on DVD of CD’S.

I live for the future. If JSS is it, then I am happy that the music will get a new, fresh interpretation. I feel that Journey is now living up to the essence of it’s name. I say Bravo to that!

[Nunnayerbiz Ness]

I was talking about at the time...I know to date VH-1 has gone Diamond, but 5150 did outsell the previous VH albums when its came out. Hell, even DLR couldn't keep up with their numbers on his 'Crazy From The Heat' even though that did sell well for him.

I just remember seeing Billboard magazine & was blown away at how many more albums VH sold (at the time) when Sammy came on board, I was an avid trade mag reader then, cared about that kinda thing when I was younger.

[quote="atomicpunk5151"][quote="Nunnayerbiz Ness"]
Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
[/quote]

I don't post much & this is slightly off topic but......

You are WAY OFF on this one about VH. Get your facts straight. Van Hagar never came close to selling what Van Halen/Roth did. Not to mention that the music and live show of Van Halen 74-84 blow Van Hagar 85-95/04 away.

VH1 sold over 10 million, VH2 sold almost 6 mil, 1984 sold over 10 million. With Hagar 5150 sold 6 million, the next few albums ou812, Fuck & Balance sold less with each release. See RIAA.com for further details.

VanHalen 10.3 Million
VanHalen II 5.7 Million
Women and Children First 4.3 Million
Fair Warning 3.4 Million
Diver Down 4 Million
1984 10 Million

5150 6 million
ou812 4 million
Fuck 3 million
RHRN 2 million
Balance 3 million[/quote]

[Nunnayerbiz Ness]

[quote="atomicpunk5151"][quote="Nunnayerbiz Ness"]
Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
[/quote]

I don't post much & this is slightly off topic but......

You are WAY OFF on this one about VH. Get your facts straight. Van Hagar never came close to selling what Van Halen/Roth did. Not to mention that the music and live show of Van Halen 74-84 blow Van Hagar 85-95/04 away.[/quote]

lAso, I too was a bigger fan of the DLR/VH era, my point was that with the switch, they went onto something new & kept the train rolling, had quite a few hits along the way...& Sammy sounded NOTHING like Dave, again, my original point. That was my 'fact' & I think it's pretty straight.

[Voyager]

Journey needs Hugo.

[conversationpc]

Journey needs Hugo.

...like another hole in the ass.

[Voyager]

Van Hagar never came close to selling what Van Halen/Roth did.

Here are the offical record sales as of may 2004 according to Van Halen's offical site:

David Lee Roth era 1974-1984: total 34 million albums

VHI-Diamond-10 million copies
VHII- 5 million copies
Women And Children First- 3 million copies
Fair Warning- 2 million copies
Diver Down- 4 million copies
1984-Diamond-10 million copies

Sammy Hagar era 1-1985-1996: total 16 million albums

5150-6million copies
OU812-4 million copies
For Unlawful Carnal Knowlage-3 million copies
Live Right Here Right Now-2 million copies
Balance- 3 million copies

Roth - 34 million
Hagar-16 million