speaking of a band that has fallen..

by **lights1961** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:18 am

dixie chicks.. say what you want about journey---but these ladies who were once country and now wanting to cross-over to rock or pop or whatever... cant find a audience....cant sell concert tickets even in Des Moines.. they were supposed to be at the wells fargo arena in two weeks.. and have cancelled their dates... I think that makes about 15-20 shows that the dixie chicks have had to either cancel postponed for this tour.. and is what is weird about it all--their CD went to #1....go figure... think about this--- they were on TOP just 2 years ago in CDs and concert revenues.. so see how fast it all goes--

Rick

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:21 am

I think some fans got pissed at Natalie Maines' Bush-bash

by **cetera** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:23 am

journeygal wrote:I think some fans got pissed at Natalie Maines' Bush-bash

She bashed her bush?!? I never saw that....! :shock:

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:24 am

cetera wrote:
journeygal wrote:I think some fans got pissed at Natalie Maines' Bush-bash

She bashed her bush?!? I never saw that....!

by **Barb** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:26 am

They went on 60 minutes and basically called country fans a bunch of close minded hicks. They are arrogant and think people actually care what they think about politics and world events. They blew it. I think they could have recovered from the Bush bashing, but they just keep on going and going. When they insulted their own fans, that was the last straw.

by **cetera** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:27 am

Barb wrote:They went on 60 minutes and basically called country fans a bunch of close minded hicks. They are arrogant and think people actually care what they think about politics and world events. They blew it. I think they could have recovered from the Bush bashing, but they just keep on going and going. When they insulted their own fans, that was the last straw.

The truth hurts I guess huh? :roll:

by **brywool** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:56 am

The only reason they're having a hard time is because of the Bush remark. I hated them until I heard them bash Bush. Now I defend them.

Um, WHAT country artist ISN'T doing a crossover act these days? Big and Rich? That's pretty rock and roll. If The Eagles came out today, they'd be classified as a COUNTRY band. If you look at any MAJOR country band, they're all taking the Garth Brookes road and acting more like rock acts. I think it's cool and I'm not much of a country fan. Those bands taking that stance have actually kicked that industry in the ass. I think it's cool. Too bad more rock acts would rather look wallow in the whole 'mad at the world' thing than to put on an actual SHOW. I remember when Styx used to get lambasted for making their concerts SHOWS. Today's country acts have picked up the ball from them and are using it to there advantage. People get bored watching people standing their and just playing. Give them something to look at. Hell, even Bon Jovi are trying to cross over to Country.

by **brywool** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:04 am

what the heck?!

by **TRAGChick** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:17 am

brywool wrote:The only reason they're having a hard time is because of the Bush remark. I hated them until I heard them bash Bush. Now I defend them.

Um, WHAT country artist ISN'T doing a crossover act these days? Big and Rich? That's pretty rock and roll. If The Eagles came out today, they'd be classified as a COUNTRY band. If you look at any MAJOR country band, they're all taking the Garth Brookes road and acting more like rock acts. I think it's cool and I'm not much of a country fan. Those bands taking that stance have actually kicked that industry in the ass. I think it's cool. Too bad more rock acts would rather look wallow in the whole 'mad at the world' thing than to put on an actual SHOW. I remember when Styx used to get lambasted for making their concerts SHOWS. Today's country acts have picked up the ball from them and are using it to there advantage. People get bored watching people standing their and just playing. Give them something to look at. Hell, even Bon Jovi are trying to cross over to Country.

Great post. Couldn't agree more.

Gee....and they're REAL MUSICIANS who can play live without a DANCE TROUPE backing them up! Who'da thunk... :roll:

by **WalrusOct9** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:23 am

Maybe. But they still didn't start writing songs until now. Most of their really popular stuff was either awful covers ("Landslide") or lesser known songs by infinitely more talented people like Patty Griffin.

by **conversationpc** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:25 am

brywool wrote:The only reason they're having a hard time is because of the Bush remark. I hated them until I heard them bash Bush. Now I defend them.

You must be a big Ted Nugent fan...

by **brywool** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:36 am

I like Ted with the Yankees and he's fun to watch, but I think he's a nutter.

by **Ash** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:55 am

brywool wrote:I like Ted with the Yankees and he's fun to watch, but I think he's a nutter.

And Natalie is a douchebag... in fact she's pretty much been an air-headed bimbo her entire life. If she'd have thought a bit before she opened her big, fat pie hole they might be selling concerts.

I live in Nashville.... and a lot of people down here would have forgiven her had she said her piece and shut the hell up. The problem isn't that she spoke her beliefs, the problem is that her bashing of the president is what has come to define her. She should let her music define her, not her political ideology... but she's too frickin stupid to understand that.

For that matter - I think the same of Nugent.... Even though I find myself with him (mostly) from a political standpoint, I'm going to a concert to be entertained. Sing.... play guitar.... sing about pussy and rock and roll and the other things I'm paying to hear... Don't tell me about your beliefs. If I want to hear preaching, I'll go to church. Thanks for calling.

by **Lula** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:16 am

I like the Dixie Chicks and would gladly pay to see them. The boycott of their CDs by fans was absurd to me.... so they don't like Bush, neither do I, no big deal.

by **brywool** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:18 am

I'd never say the same thing to Bono, you know? He's intelligent and puts his money where his mouth is. He can spout views all he wants as long as he's backing it up.
I didn't hear Natalie bash her audience, so I can't comment to that. If she did, then that wasn't too bright.
I did hear her bash the Pres and you know what, we live in a free country. She has the right.
The rest of her band probably hates her too because it seems to have tarnished their careers.

The comment about "They actually think people care about what they think, etc." Well, obviously people do care what they think or none of this never would've happened. People cared that they bashed bush, people cared that they bashed their audience, etc.
Vedder did the same thing and also took some heat for it.
Ted Nugent singing about pussy... God, what, is he 80? Scary.

by **A Fire Inside** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:26 am

Ash wrote:I'm going to a concert to be entertained. Sing.... play guitar.... sing about pussy and rock and roll and the other things I'm paying to hear... Don't tell me about your beliefs. If I want to hear preaching, I'll go to church.

This reminds me of that Trial By Fire discussion I had yesterday... that's exactly how I feel about bands I follow closely. I don't like U2 or Green Day for this reason. I would be annoyed if Journey used their status to push a political or religious agenda. Quoting the Bible in TBF toes that line IMO... although it's not saying "be Christian" it still implies religious preference... like I said, I still like the song though.

by **conversationpc** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:33 am

A Fire Inside wrote:Quoting the Bible in TBF toes that line IMO... although it's not saying "be Christian" it still implies religious preference...

The lyrics in that song could be applied to any number of religions. Jesus isn't mentioned. Jehovah isn't mentioned. Lots of common, every day sayings are taken from quotes in the Bible and don't necessarily imply that the artist is Christian or is trying to impart Christian beliefs to their audience.

If I say someone is "the apple of my eye" (a quote from the Bible), it doesn't necessarily have a spiritual connotation just because it came from the Bible.

by **brywool** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:33 am

Green Days shows last year kicked major ass. Best live band I've seen in years. Very fun concerts. Too bad, you missed a good show! Same with U2, great shows last year.

by **DerriD** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:10 am

brywool wrote:I'd never say the same thing to Bono, you know? He's intelligent and puts his money where his mouth is. He can spout views all he wants as long as he's backing it up.
I didn't hear Natalie bash her audience, so I can't comment to that. If she did, then that wasn't too bright.
I did hear her bash the Pres and you know what, we live in a free country. She has the right.
The rest of her band probably hates her too because it seems to have tarnished their careers.

The comment about "They actually think people care about what they think, etc." Well, obviously people do care what they think or none of this never would've happened. People cared that they bashed bush, people cared that they bashed their audience, etc.
Vedder did the same thing and also took some heat for it.
Ted Nugent singing about pussy... God, what, is he 80? Scary.

Bono has been preaching for over 25 years. The difference with him is he is out there trying to fix problems. He highlights what he sees as solutions to problems (positive) rather than just blaming those he feels are responsible (negative). Natalie just bitches about problems. That's the difference between them.

Natalie is totally free to bash anyone she pleases. Her audience on the other hand is totally free to wash their hands of her. She doesn't have a right to an audience. As for her bandmates being angry with her, maybe they are. But they don't seem to be seperating themselves from her or doing damage control. Not to mention they were a band long before Natalie was around and pretty much played street corners, so without her there wouldn't have been the success in the firstplace.

Oh, and IMO the last two albums stunk compared to the first two. Add to that bashing the fanbase and turnover in music in general is it any surprise that their popularity has waned?

by **Ms_M** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:41 am

Barb wrote:They went on 60 minutes and basically called country fans a bunch of close minded hicks. They are arrogant and think people actually care what they think about politics and world events. They blew it. I think they could have recovered from the Bush bashing, but they just keep on going and going. When they insulted their own fans, that was the last straw.

I think you are right that this is where they blew it. I don't care enough to agree with them or not, but when Martie Maguire said, "I'd rather have a smaller following of really cool people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba McEntire and Toby Keith. We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit what you can do." I think that pissed a lot of country fans off.

by **Barb** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:46 am

That and Natlie's asinine remark about patriotism. I just believe musicians should just shut up and sing for their own good. Why risk offending potentially half of your fan base just to mouth off?

Ms_M wrote:
Barb wrote:They went on 60 minutes and basically called country fans a bunch of close minded hicks. They are arrogant and think people actually care what they think about politics and world events. They blew it. I think they could have recovered from the Bush bashing, but they just keep on going and going. When they insulted their own fans, that was the last straw.

I think you are right that this is where they blew it. I don't care enough to agree with them or not, but when Martie Maguire said, "I'd rather have a smaller following of really cool people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba McEntire and Toby Keith. We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit what you can do." I think that pissed a lot of country fans off.

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:48 am

I hate it when bands become political.

Neil Young a Canuck is bashing W...

Bruce is political, however, has toned it down. He stumped for Dumbass last year in Madison, and Kerry drew 60,000. Of the 60k, how many were there to see Kerry? 2?

Def Lippard. They bashed America last year. I read B Adams didn't take to kindly to that. I also read Adams and Elliot got into it rather heavily backstage and delayed Adams arrival onto said stage.

I get that they have a vehicle for their voice, but if I go see Bruce, I want to hear Born to Run, not a commentary on W. We all know how bad W is (except 13, who loves him :roll:

), so it's a forgone conclusion that whatever someone says bad about W, is basically correct.

I know BT is a red site. No wonder it is so shitty over there.

by **fred_journeyman** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:51 am

brywool wrote:I'd never say the same thing to Bono, you know? He's intelligent and puts his money where his mouth is. He can spout views all he wants as long as he's backing it up....

I think the big difference is that IF Bono DID bash anyone, it would be done "nicely." He wouldn't make asinine comments to get a point across. He would make intelligent comments and people would definitely get his "message."

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:51 am

By the way, I hate Bono's slimy ass.

What's his deal? He bashes America for not giving more aid. The US gives more aid to the rest of the World than every country combined. Why he has the ear of W is beyond me. Why doesn't Bono go and talk to the PM of Ireland? Or Blair? Or John Howard of Australia?

Blame America all you want based on policy. Hell, our policy is shit, but don't blame the people of the US. Ok, blame the assholes who re-elected W.-Dumbfucks.

by **Barb** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:52 am

Amen

Love,

Dumbfuck

Rockn'deano wrote:By the way, I hate Bono's slimy ass.

What's his deal? He bashes America for not giving more aid. The US gives more aid to the rest of the World than every country combined. Why he has the ear of W is beyond me. Why doesn't Bono go and talk to the PM of Ireland? Or Blair? Or John Howard of Australia?

Blame America all you want based on policy. Hell, our policy is shit, but don't blame the people of the US. Ok, blame the assholes who re-elected W.-Dumbfucks.

by **fred_journeyman** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:54 am

Rockn'deano wrote:I hate it when bands become political.

I hate it when CELEBS of any genre become political. Too often, people pander after them because of their celebrity status and frankly, the celebs are using their status to further their political beliefs. I don't like it when Repubs or Demos do it. I realize these folks have a right to their opinions, however most of us began noticing them BECAUSE of their music or their acting. We didn't notice them because of their political beliefs. They should either be celebs or politicians, but save us from trying to be both.

by **lights1961** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:19 am

Rockn'deano wrote:By the way, I hate Bono's slimy ass.

What's his deal? He bashes America for not giving more aid. The US gives more aid to the rest of the World than every country combined. Why he has the ear of W is beyond me. Why doesn't Bono go and talk to the PM of Ireland? Or Blair? Or John Howard of Australia?

Blame America all you want based on policy. Hell, our policy is shit, but don't blame the people of the US. Ok, blame the assholes who re-elected W.-Dumbfucks.

cant wait til the world comes back to thank Bush for taking it straight to the terrorists living room and kicking their a$$$$$ All this appeasments from the late 90s started by Clinton the UN and Arafat are the reasons we are fighting today......and we need to rid ourselfs of em.. because if its not them its you me and the rest of us... and I dont know about you---but I am glad the rockets are not here in the usa.. so Deano.. Bushs is foreign policy has been to fight terrorist over there not here........ i think its working.. where Clintons attitude was appease appease oh please like us.. were weak... and what happens then--- blow up ships, embassys etc...oh please still like us want more prisoners released sure... here you go... look whats going on now with Israel... appease appease and thats not what is wanted... these groups want to destroy Isreal to the core---so Isreal is finally had enough and SURE DAMN glad they are pounding the hell out of Lebbenon. and those civilans being killed... ya right... more like the hezbos in civillan clothes... my nicklels worth...

FYI----GREAT DEBATE THOUGH.. BTW I am not a BONO fan----but he does rock and probably one of the few celebs that use his own money to help out his causes...

Rick

by **RedWingFan** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:25 pm

lights1961 wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:By the way, I hate Bono's slimy ass.

What's his deal? He bashes America for not giving more aid. The US gives more aid to the rest of the World than every country combined. Why he has the ear of W is beyond me. Why doesn't Bono go and talk to the PM of Ireland? Or Blair? Or John Howard of Australia?

Blame America all you want based on policy. Hell, our policy is shit, but don't blame the people of the US. Ok, blame the assholes who re-elected W.-Dumbfucks.

cant wait til the world comes back to thank Bush for taking it straight to the terrorists living room and kicking their a$$$$$ All this appeasments from the late 90s started by Clinton the UN and Arafat are the reasons we are fighting today......and we need to rid ourselfs of em.. because if its not them its you me and the rest of us... and I dont know about you---but I am glad the rockets are not here in the usa.. so Deano.. Bushs is foreign policy has been to fight terrorist over there not here........ i think its working.. where Clintons attitude was appease appease oh please like us.. were weak... and what happens then--- blow up ships, embassys etc...oh please still like us want more prisoners released sure... here you go... look whats going on now with Israel... appease appease and thats not what is wanted... these groups want to destroy Isreal to the core---so Isreal is finally had enough and SURE DAMN glad they are pounding the hell out of Lebbenon. and those civilans being killed... ya right... more like the hezbos in civillan clothes... my nicklels worth...

FYI----GREAT DEBATE THOUGH.. BTW I am not a BONO fan----but he does rock and probably one of the few celebs that use his own money to help out his causes...

Rick

Exactly right lights. People like to blame Bush for starting all this. All he's doing is trying to solve a problem that has been festering for hundreds of years. And in the Nuclear age we can't sit idly by anymore. One way or another it has to be done, he new it would be difficult and he'd get hammered for it, I give him credit for putting us ahead of his poll numbers, unlike bubba.
Here's a portion of an Larry Elder article that kind of puts it into perspective. Bush didn't start this....

In the book "Victory in Tripoli," Joshua London writes about the Muslim Barbary pirates. They attacked American shipping vessels in the 18th century, often boarding ships and enslaving crewmembers. Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then ambassador to Britain, visited the resident ambassador from Tripoli (modern-day Libya) in London to negotiate a treaty to protect American ships from Barbary pirates. Why, asked Adams and Jefferson, is your government so hostile to the fledgling United States of America? After all, we have no quarrel with you, nor you with us.

The Tripolitan ambassador told them -- as reported to the Continental Congress -- "that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Yes, they are that "sadistic." And yes, we are "really in for a long and awful war."

by **conversationpc** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:30 pm

RaiderFan wrote:The Tripolitan ambassador told them -- as reported to the Continental Congress -- "that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Yes, they are that "sadistic." And yes, we are "really in for a long and awful war." [/b]

The only time radical Islamic Fascists will negotiate is if they think it'll give them a strategic advantage, i.e., give them time to recoup and strengthen so they can strike you again when you don't expect it. They want nothing less than the complete annihilation of Israel and the United States. This is something that the leftists/socialists in this country just don't get.

by **fred_journeyman** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:47 pm

A Fire Inside wrote:I don't like U2 or Green Day for this reason. I would be annoyed if Journey used their status to push a political or religious agenda. Quoting the Bible in TBF toes that line IMO... although it's not saying "be Christian" it still implies religious preference... like I said, I still like the song though.

Couple of things...when U2 first started hitting the charts years ago, they were classified as "Christian Rock." They could readily be found in Christian bookstores in many places across the nation. Then, they started moving away from that with many of the lyrics to their songs and were summarily removed from many of those same Christian bookstores. In fact "I still haven't found what I'm looking for..." is often said among Christian circles to be their wholesale rejection of Christianity.

When I hear TBF, I don't hear them preaching repentance, or advocating Christianity, or any religion. In my opinion, they're simply stating that we are all "treasures in jars of clay." Wow, how beautifully that sums up the human experience. To me, that part of the song simply points to the fact that all of us as human beings, while treasures each one, are so easily broken or damaged through the experiences that life brings our way. Can anyone really deny that? For myself, I can't. There is a deep sadness in that song, yet there is light at the end of the tunnel. To me, that's what the song says in a nutshell. There's always a light at the end of the tunnel.

MR

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