journeygal wrote:Eric wrote:... JSS represents a new beginning...
Change is good.
I am going to invent a tool...a special tool, that pry's your lips off of Jeffs pole. Seriously, there are other things in life besides fucking Jeff Scott Soto.
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journeygal wrote:Eric wrote:... JSS represents a new beginning...
Change is good.
Rockn'deano wrote:journeygal wrote:Eric wrote:... JSS represents a new beginning...
Change is good.
I am going to invent a tool...a special tool, that pry's your lips off of Jeffs pole. Seriously, there are other things in life besides fucking Jeff Scott Soto.
Rockn'deano wrote:Not laughing sweetheart. I am dead serious. You must have a gallon of Gorilla glue on your lips and his rod.
Nunnayerbiz Ness wrote: no one is right, no one is wrong, keeps it more interesting that way.
Rockn'deano wrote:journeygal wrote:Eric wrote:... JSS represents a new beginning...
Change is good.
I am going to invent a tool...a special tool, that pry's your lips off of Jeffs pole. Seriously, there are other things in life besides fucking Jeff Scott Soto.
Eric wrote:There are songs that missed (ATL, OTY, DSB) but it was the best version I've ever heard of Escape and the most rocking version of Sep Ways....I say I want JSS assuming Castronovo sings some of the setlist. The boot I have of Soto is full of energy...simple as that.
Eric wrote:They don't need a Steve Perry replacement.
I mean, imagine saying...."We can't get Perry but we have a look-alike that sounds like him, but is like half as good."
JSS represents a new beginning....
Rockn'deano wrote:journeygal wrote:Eric wrote:... JSS represents a new beginning...
Change is good.
I am going to invent a tool...a special tool, that pry's your lips off of Jeffs pole. Seriously, there are other things in life besides fucking Jeff Scott Soto.
Nunnayerbiz Ness wrote:Strange, I find Deen's voice naturally high but also imperfect as far as pitch sometimes...
Rockn'deano wrote:journeygal wrote:Eric wrote:... JSS represents a new beginning...
Change is good.
I am going to invent a tool...a special tool, that pry's your lips off of Jeffs pole. Seriously, there are other things in life besides fucking Jeff Scott Soto.
verslibre wrote:Rockn'deano wrote:Deen blows Jeff away.
This statement is correct. It simply requires an edit:
As a drummer, Deen blows Jeff away.
That's better.
Dean, you're just way too negative.
yulog wrote:The boot i heard was from Andrews mr x (georgia july 17th)and vocally it was very clear, hardly any crowd interference, Everything i heard before that was horribly riddled with crowd interference and i couldnt get a clear picture of how it sounded i would love to hear another "GOOD" boot anybody please let me hear something better but honestly Neal is going to play the dirty dozen the rest of his playing days its what the majority want to hear and my disappointment was not with little flaws or missed words it was the overall sound of his voice it changes everything for me and doesnt sound right at all i cant say what i want to because i know JSS can sing. the best way to say this is his voice is too deep and low for the sound of journey i hear a few points where he brings it high but it just doesnt fit i dont have a problem with change i had no trouble when Augeri came in but he fit pretty well into the mix. its a sad state of affairs for me if this is the permanent direction of the band .
Wally_Hatchet wrote:Give the guy a few weeks and see what happens. I was concerned after listening to the Charlotte boot but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
He has the pipes and with proper rest I'd bet he will sounf a lot better.
Nunnayerbiz Ness wrote:Hagar replaces Roth = no soundalike, sold twice the albums than Roth/VH
Johnson replaces Scott = no soundalike but AC/DC have a 2nd life just as if not more successful
Dickinson replaces DiAnno = no soundalike but Iron Maiden go beyond their wildest imagination of success because of it
Rodgers replaces Mercury = no soundalike but Queen go on to a successful world tour & live DVD
Jamison replaces Bickler = new guy sounds more like Perry & Survivor have more success than 1st 2 albums
I think you get the gist here...
there are many more I am sure others will add to this list but bottom line...what the hell is wrong with Journey going outside the box & getting someone (IMO) who can sing the songs just fine yet may give them a new spark, a new life, past the dirty dozen?
Do you just want Journey to continue as a karaoke band or find some tired old fat guy who can hit the notes but not give a new vitality to the band, which they seem to be getting on the road?
From the majority of what I read, reviews from papers & fans alike are loving the SHOWS, you guys are listening to boots without realizing there is activity, movement, interaction, etc., going on which make for imperfection in performance. Britney & Madonna move a lot & are perfect but they aint singing.
This thread will probably go a few pages now, but honestly, isn't this stuff you all covered already? You have no clue or even right to pass judgement on what it might be until you get a new piece of silver plastic to place in your stereo & judge...till then, it's just a tour, it's a new approach....hell, let's call it Evolution, just to keep it in the family!
Monker wrote:journeygal wrote:Eric wrote:... JSS represents a new beginning...
Change is good.
I always thought the quote was "Greed is good".
Moon Beam wrote:verslibre wrote:Rockn'deano wrote:Deen blows Jeff away.
This statement is correct. It simply requires an edit:
As a drummer, Deen blows Jeff away.
That's better.
Dean, you're just way too negative.
And Verslibre your avatars way to naked.
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verslibre wrote:Moon Beam wrote:And Verslibre your avatars way to naked.
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You like it, don'tcha?
Nunnayerbiz Ness wrote:Good, I like a good sparring partner
VH : Cherone replaces Hagar...Not a soundalike, the band fails.
Cherone didn't suck as much as the songs did...he even admitted he was TOLD to sound/sing a certain way on the crap they put in front of him. Red 13 comes to mind in this comment!
AC/DC : Johnson replacing Scott happened at the BEGINNING of their career. Let's see what happens when somebody replaces Johnson after 30yrs of the band performing the same style of songs live and in the studio.
The beginning for you maybe, are you kidding me? They did 6 or 7 albums with him before he died, the last being Highway To Hell which was a pinnacle one to their success before Brian came in.
Queen : The tour wasn't advertised as "Queen", but "Queen featuring Paul Rogers". So, they took a big name singer and attached it to the "Queen" name. If Journey went out as "Journey featuring Sammy Hagar", it would sell...I *HIGHLY* doubt "Journey featuring Jeff Scott Soto" would sell any better then just using the Journey name by itself.
Not the point, talking voices not billing....you could call it Queen + Carol Channing, iit wasn't so much about the frontman fans just accepted it & came in droves to 'hear the music'!
Survivor : Jamison replaced Bickler at the apex of their career. "Eye of the Tiger" has BICKLER'S voice on it, NOT Jamison's. There is also VERY similar sound between the two. When Bickler replaced Jamison back in the 90's, did it matter? Did it matter much when Jamison replaced Bicker AGAIN? Now that they have gone for yet another singer, do you think THAT is going to matter? They are ALSO at the end of their rope.
Um, huge difference in their voices, same differences as Perry & Augeri...although some call Augeri a Perry soundalike, I find it further from reality.
Wait and see what the average music fan does once they realize that this version of Journey does not really sound much like the Journey they grew up with...either Augeri OR Perry. LIke I have said, I give them two years before they are playing balloon festivals and such.
Sure, that is if they play their cards the wrong way & don't take advantage of a 'new beginning'. If they concentrate on an album that 1 guy sings primarily the whole album (of course I say let Deen sing a couple, gotta take advantage of that throat!) & management can get them a real deal instead of giving the thing away, they could have a chance at a new hit single. The writing capability there is monstrous, if not taken advantage of, yes, i see them with REO at another County Fair.
What the dozen fans on this forum want is irrelevant...It's the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who buy the tickets who carry the power. I have absolutely NO problem hearing the 'dirty dozen' + a two or three newish songs and a couple more album cuts.
Right, but at a 3 hour extravaganza, they have delivered the goods, on this recent one, people shrug the goods.
It doesn't make any difference. JSS"s voice isn't Journey. Even if he 'hits' the notes, it just doesn't sound right. That's the problem. That is what I complained about from the time it was announced. Jamison SOUNDS like Survivor. Johnson SOUNDS like AC/DC. Sammy SOUNDS like VH - because of Eddie's guitar. Cherone does NOT sound like VH. Rogers does NOT sound like Queen - so they changed the name. THAT is the issue here.
Augeri didn't sound like Journey either, his voice was a soft tenor who 'hit the notes' but did he sing with Perry's inflections, soul & power...um, no. But it worked, why? Because that is what the band chose, they forged ahead & new fans formed a love for him as the 'only' frontman. ANY singer would get shit slung at him, including Deen, because all people do is compare...I did it earlier, it's then nature of moving forward, you're never gonna please everyone but the majority don't give a shit as much as the ones who spent countless hours a day here posting. And puhleeze...Sammy sounded like VH because of the guitar...think about the hits they had with him, Right Now, When It's Love, Dreams...you mean sounds like VH cuz of the keyboards right?
I have EVERY right to pass judgement on it. I have been given the privilege to post that judgement here. I don't need a CD or bootleg for me to have the opinion that JSS does not have a voice that fits Journey any better then Cherone has a voice that fits VH.
You misunderstood my statement of having the right...I referred to this right based on a bootleg or a review...you have NO idea what a Journey/JSS recording sounds like until you pop into a CD player therefore no right to judge what it will sound like before this occurs. That's like saying because it was sunny today it will be sunny tomorrow!
conversationpc wrote:Nunnayerbiz Ness wrote:Good, I like a good sparring partner
VH : Cherone replaces Hagar...Not a soundalike, the band fails.
Cherone didn't suck as much as the songs did...he even admitted he was TOLD to sound/sing a certain way on the crap they put in front of him. Red 13 comes to mind in this comment!
AC/DC : Johnson replacing Scott happened at the BEGINNING of their career. Let's see what happens when somebody replaces Johnson after 30yrs of the band performing the same style of songs live and in the studio.
The beginning for you maybe, are you kidding me? They did 6 or 7 albums with him before he died, the last being Highway To Hell which was a pinnacle one to their success before Brian came in.
Queen : The tour wasn't advertised as "Queen", but "Queen featuring Paul Rogers". So, they took a big name singer and attached it to the "Queen" name. If Journey went out as "Journey featuring Sammy Hagar", it would sell...I *HIGHLY* doubt "Journey featuring Jeff Scott Soto" would sell any better then just using the Journey name by itself.
Not the point, talking voices not billing....you could call it Queen + Carol Channing, iit wasn't so much about the frontman fans just accepted it & came in droves to 'hear the music'!
Survivor : Jamison replaced Bickler at the apex of their career. "Eye of the Tiger" has BICKLER'S voice on it, NOT Jamison's. There is also VERY similar sound between the two. When Bickler replaced Jamison back in the 90's, did it matter? Did it matter much when Jamison replaced Bicker AGAIN? Now that they have gone for yet another singer, do you think THAT is going to matter? They are ALSO at the end of their rope.
Um, huge difference in their voices, same differences as Perry & Augeri...although some call Augeri a Perry soundalike, I find it further from reality.
Wait and see what the average music fan does once they realize that this version of Journey does not really sound much like the Journey they grew up with...either Augeri OR Perry. LIke I have said, I give them two years before they are playing balloon festivals and such.
Sure, that is if they play their cards the wrong way & don't take advantage of a 'new beginning'. If they concentrate on an album that 1 guy sings primarily the whole album (of course I say let Deen sing a couple, gotta take advantage of that throat!) & management can get them a real deal instead of giving the thing away, they could have a chance at a new hit single. The writing capability there is monstrous, if not taken advantage of, yes, i see them with REO at another County Fair.
What the dozen fans on this forum want is irrelevant...It's the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who buy the tickets who carry the power. I have absolutely NO problem hearing the 'dirty dozen' + a two or three newish songs and a couple more album cuts.
Right, but at a 3 hour extravaganza, they have delivered the goods, on this recent one, people shrug the goods.
It doesn't make any difference. JSS"s voice isn't Journey. Even if he 'hits' the notes, it just doesn't sound right. That's the problem. That is what I complained about from the time it was announced. Jamison SOUNDS like Survivor. Johnson SOUNDS like AC/DC. Sammy SOUNDS like VH - because of Eddie's guitar. Cherone does NOT sound like VH. Rogers does NOT sound like Queen - so they changed the name. THAT is the issue here.
Augeri didn't sound like Journey either, his voice was a soft tenor who 'hit the notes' but did he sing with Perry's inflections, soul & power...um, no. But it worked, why? Because that is what the band chose, they forged ahead & new fans formed a love for him as the 'only' frontman. ANY singer would get shit slung at him, including Deen, because all people do is compare...I did it earlier, it's then nature of moving forward, you're never gonna please everyone but the majority don't give a shit as much as the ones who spent countless hours a day here posting. And puhleeze...Sammy sounded like VH because of the guitar...think about the hits they had with him, Right Now, When It's Love, Dreams...you mean sounds like VH cuz of the keyboards right?
I have EVERY right to pass judgement on it. I have been given the privilege to post that judgement here. I don't need a CD or bootleg for me to have the opinion that JSS does not have a voice that fits Journey any better then Cherone has a voice that fits VH.
You misunderstood my statement of having the right...I referred to this right based on a bootleg or a review...you have NO idea what a Journey/JSS recording sounds like until you pop into a CD player therefore no right to judge what it will sound like before this occurs. That's like saying because it was sunny today it will be sunny tomorrow!
Hard to tell who's saying what here.
Monker wrote:AC/DC : Johnson replacing Scott happened at the BEGINNING of their career. Let's see what happens when somebody replaces Johnson after 30yrs of the band performing the same style of songs live and in the studio.
journeygal wrote:conversationpc wrote:Hard to tell who's saying what here.
I'm with ya.. my eyes are burning
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