Question for Deano?

[conversationpc]

Ignore him.
We already know he is a true blue George Dubbya fan.
If Red is willing to stand firmly behind a criminal running the nation, is there any suprise he remains steadfastly behind a criminal at the helm of a rock band?

Just thank heavens we don't have Gore or Kerry running the country. Now THERE'S a scary thought.

[Rockindeano]

Ignore him.
We already know he is a true blue George Dubbya fan.
If Red is willing to stand firmly behind a criminal running the nation, is there any suprise he remains steadfastly behind a criminal at the helm of a rock band?

Just thank heavens we don't have Gore or Kerry running the country. Now THERE'S a scary thought.

I'll take either of those guys over the president. In fact, Gore should be president. We all know how that went down though.

[conversationpc]

I'll take either of those guys over the president. In fact, Gore should be president. We all know how that went down though.

Thank God.

[Rockindeano]

Are you high?

America is an embarrassment the world over. NO one likes us, no one respects us, we have 3 allies. Shall I continue?

Thank God, we get another Clinton in 2 years.

[Abitaman]

No you wouldn't, you would wear a red dress instead.
Hear that sound? No? Because there isn't one, kinda of like your IQ and you evidence, only their in your own mind.
I don't need a clue, I have seen all your evidence, heard it all. We all have our own sides, an own opinions. You fill threatened by someone thinking different than you? Or is it that some IS thinking before they talk.
I don't care what you think about the whole thing, I except what you think, and careless about it. So why can't it be the other way.

I know what you were getting at by you could sing like Augeri, but dang dude chill out. You get all hostile over NOTHING

[conversationpc]

Are you high?

America is an embarrassment the world over. NO one likes us, no one respects us, we have 3 allies. Shall I continue?

Thank God, we get another Clinton in 2 years.

Let's hope not.

People would hate us regardless of who the President is. No one likes the top dog.

[A Fire Inside]

Thank God, we get another Clinton in 2 years.

Nah, America isn't ready to vote a woman into the presidency...

With you on Gore, though.

[NealIsGod]

Are you high?

America is an embarrassment the world over. NO one likes us, no one respects us, we have 3 allies. Shall I continue?

Thank God, we get another Clinton in 2 years.

Don't forget to pay me when she does not win. We made a bet.

[Monker]

When Svante gives a link to his radio show, then you'll have something real.

People would still deny.
They would claim that Svante or Deano took an old recording of Augeri on an off-night and doctored it to appear that it was from a recent UK performance.

...which would be impossible.

So?
It was also impossible to tamper with the bootlegs Deano uploaded on here and his blog.
Yet still, time and time again, people alleged that Dean has spliced or magically overlayed the Vegas dvd on-top of an actual live concert performance.

So? It's not up to them to prove him wrong, it's up to Dean to PROVE himself right. All he has done is offer up bootlegs for people to make up their own minds about. That's not proving anything...it's just more people offering up more opinions.

The Svante thing is the same way...But, it is REAL evidence. Until then, all Dean has is an anal probe.

[Monker]

I am laying low and the vegas dvd thing was preposterous.

You can't be happy with your 19 ranking for the Lions can you? You want to challenge me yet again? Next time, I will take no prisoners. My delivery was awful, but I did my homework, and the results are undeniably clear and factual.

There wasn't a FACT among it. It was OPINION being backed up both SOME other people's OPINION. That does not make it true. It doesn't make it anything other then, gee I don't know, I suppost, OPINION.

[conversationpc]

Until then, all Dean has is an anal probe.

[Monker]

Hear that "whoosh!?"

That was the hidden remark flying right over your retarded brain.

You have no clue dude.

It's a FUCKING tape! We all could do it. However, I wouldn't wear gay red pants like Fraudgeri did.

Well, if you are going to stand onstage naked and scare everybody away with your manly manhood, I'm sure you could get away with lip-synching anything.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just thank heavens we don't have Gore or Kerry running the country. Now THERE'S a scary thought.

Yeah, imagine a world where the richest nation in existance actually provided health care for all of it's citizens.
Positively bone chilling.
Just read today that the GOP is now trying to curtail the amount of tips waiters can collect.
These people are reaming lady liberty straight up her copper green ass (with no lubricant).

[johnroxx]

Until then, all Dean has is an anal probe.

And that would be his thumb...

;^)

[Red13JoePa]

Just thank heavens we don't have Gore or Kerry running the country. Now THERE'S a scary thought.

Yeah, imagine a world where the richest nation in existance actually provided health care for all of it's citizens.
Positively bone chilling.
Just read today that the GOP is now trying to curtail the amount of tips waiters can collect.
These people are reaming lady liberty straight up her copper green ass (with no lubricant).

Better polish that resume up then.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Better polish that resume up then.

Yuck it up.
You voted for him, and as far as I'm concerned, are personally complicit in this nations one-way trajectory to the fiery bowels of hell.

Let's not forget about the removal of overtime pay for people in an array of different professions.
This isn't only about waiters and waitresses.
And though I'm not personally one of them, I find your reaction to this news to be arrogant, cold, and well, all-around stereotypically Republican.

[Rockindeano]

Until then, all Dean has is an anal probe.

And that would be his thumb...

;^)

Laugh all you want.

Some guy from a message board definitely affected a change, if not was solely responsible for, Augeri's firing.

There is no way you can dispute that.

You can all blame me for no more Augeri.

[Citygirl]

The more you say, the more I think you do have some sort of connection with them.

1. You know too much

2. That information could only come from an inside source

3. You have too much influence on them just to be a guy on the net

I've got a question for you Deano... are you ever gonna reveal your true identity?

[Rockindeano]

My God.

For the last time, I have ZERO connection with the band. Ask 13 and NIG. I talked to those two buttholes before. They can vouch for me being "Dean." Ask Lula. She knows me a little. Trust me, if I were connected to the band, I would be a helluva lot richer, and I wouldn't burn that bridge.

Thanks for the accolades, but it simply isn't true.

[conversationpc]

Yuck it up.
You voted for him, and as far as I'm concerned, are personally complicit in this nations one-way trajectory to the fiery bowels of hell.

Let's not forget about the removal of overtime pay for people in an array of different professions.
This isn't only about waiters and waitresses.
And though I'm not personally one of them, I find your reaction to this news to be arrogant, cold, and well, all-around stereotypically Republican.

And your response to him above is stereotypically leftist. One could make the same kind of argument about the idiots who voted for Clinton. The guy was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter and he passed him up. He bombed a friggin' aspirin factory. The list of Clinton miscues is longer than John Gotti's rap sheet.

[larryfromnextdoor]

My God.

For the last time, I have ZERO connection with the band. Ask 13 and NIG. I talked to those two buttholes before. They can vouch for me being "Dean." Ask Lula. She knows me a little. Trust me, if I were connected to the band, I would be a helluva lot richer, and I wouldn't burn that bridge.

Thanks for the accolades, but it simply isn't true.

"ok then , as long as we have a voucher mr. nussbaum", another jerk reference!! im on fire baby ,, fire!

[Red13JoePa]

Better polish that resume up then.

Yuck it up.
You voted for him, and as far as I'm concerned, are personally complicit in this nations one-way trajectory to the fiery bowels of hell.

Let's not forget about the removal of overtime pay for people in an array of different professions.
This isn't only about waiters and waitresses.
And though I'm not personally one of them, I find your reaction to this news to be arrogant, cold, and well, all-around stereotypically Republican.

Yea, great.
TheNobleCrybaby.

[NealIsGod]

Better polish that resume up then.

Yuck it up.
You voted for him, and as far as I'm concerned, are personally complicit in this nations one-way trajectory to the fiery bowels of hell.

Let's not forget about the removal of overtime pay for people in an array of different professions.
This isn't only about waiters and waitresses.
And though I'm not personally one of them, I find your reaction to this news to be arrogant, cold, and well, all-around stereotypically Republican.

Yea, great.
TheNobleCrybaby.

Aren't all Dems?

[Red13JoePa]

What the fuck this had to do w/ politics or Dubya I dunno.
For that we'll have to wait for Deano's Doberman to clarify.

[AR]

Nationalized health care for all is a bad idea. So out of my taxes I should pay for lazy bumbs on the street corner when they get shot and need medical attention? Or some unwed mother has 5 or 6 kids, and I should help fund that? No thanks. Also, it means lesser quality medical attention for all.

In Canada, who takes her cues from North Korea and Cuba, medical professionals can only but work for one Firm, so to speak, if they want to practice their skills. If their instinct for freedom overcomes them, they must flee Canada's jurisdiction. While many medical professionals have been driven away, the perverse incentive scheme operating in a socialized system soon subdues the rest. Rewarding competency with increased workload, but no extra pay, is one hell of a way to ensure professionals become sluggish, if only for the sake of their own self-preservation

For the record, BOTH political parties are controlled by big money and special interest groups. The fact that we are all supposed to conform 2 narrow idealogies is ridiculous. The 2 party system is a farce.

Bush and Clinton are not so different as one might think. Bush is a boob, Clinton was a scoundrel who could have had Bin Laden and let him off the hook.

Millions of people in this nation with so many different points of view. However to get elected to anything you have to be a kiss ass smarmy peice of shit. No other way to get a campaign funded. That's why most of the best and brightest stay out of politics.

Rush (the group) was right. Big Money goes around the world......

[conversationpc]

Nationalized health care for all is a bad idea. So out of my taxes I should pay for lazy bumbs on the street corner when they get shot and need medical attention? Or some unwed mother has 5 or 6 kids, and I should help fund that? No thanks. Also, it means lesser quality medical attention for all.

Nationalized health care would be a HUGE catastrophe. As bloated and expensive as EVERYTHING is that government puts its hand into, I can't believe ANYONE would want the mess that will be created if healthcare ends up being controlled by them. Waiting times are bad enough now for things like x-rays, cat scans, etc., and it will be ten times worse if the feds get involved.

For the record, BOTH political parties are controlled by big money and special interest groups. The fact that we are all supposed to conform 2 narrow idealogies is ridiculous. The 2 party system is a farce.

A-frickin'-men. I wish to hell that Indiana would allow me to register as an Independent, because the more I see how inept most of the Repubs are in Congress, the less I trust them.

Rush (the group) was right. Big Money goes around the world......

Good tune AND band.

[Rockindeano]

I love how all the penny pinching conservatives don't want nationalized health care.

Canada has the best health care in the world, period. The US could, but won't, take care of it's people.

I got news for you, Arrivalrules.....Your tax dollars being spent on people being shot is about as ludicrous a claim you can make. Your tax dollars going to work for a good cause as in taking care of our people, trumps many more wasteful causes, of which I don't want to get into.

[conversationpc]

Canada has the best health care in the world, period. The US could, but won't, take care of it's people.

I guess that's why a lot of Canadians still come here to get things done because their system is so great. I used to work in the Buffalo area and they come across the border all the time for healthcare there.

[Rockindeano]

Canada has the best health care in the world, period. The US could, but won't, take care of it's people.

I guess that's why a lot of Canadians still come here to get things done because their system is so great. I used to work in the Buffalo area and they come across the border all the time for healthcare there.

Horseshit. Canadians don't come here for general health care. They come here for amenity surgery, ie, tit implants, nose job, grill lift. lippo suck, etc. I used to have a Candaian health card. The fucker is golden. Hurt your hand, go to doctor, get fixed. Very simple.

If Canada has it backwards, why do millions of Americans go to Canada for prescriptions? How the Hell do you treat your seniors like this? The country was built on the hardworking backs of the WW2 generation, and they are forced to purchase safe exact comparable drugs from the neighbour to the north? It's fucking appalling.

[AR]

Canada has the best health care in the world, period. The US could, but won't, take care of it's people.

ROTFLMAO!
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“For more than twenty years,” write two leading boosters of the Canadian system, “Canada has been the world leader in health policy.” Plenty of Americans wholeheartedly second this opinion, including some in Congress and other positions of influence. “Like every other advanced country, we need a single-payer or consolidated-payer system to prevent both the widespread underinsurance and the cost-shifting,” writes the former editor of The New England Journal of Medicine and senior lecturer at Harvard Medical School, Marcia Angell.

My message today is quite different. The Canadian single-payer system offers only a false promise for what ails governments, patients, and doctors. Today, after 30 years of government intervention, the Canadian system suffers from long waiting times for critical procedures, lack of access to current technology, increasing costs to taxpayers and patients, and a brain drain of doctors, who head south for better working conditions and more money. While policy talk and statistics are, unfortunately, unavoidable, I will focus on how the health system treats those it’s set up to serve, patients.

A snapshot of the system.
Let me sketch an outline of the Canadian system. Canadian governments maintain complete control of health insurance for the hospital and physician sectors of the health care system, through interventions referred to as "Medicare,” a joint program of federal and provincial governments. It is often referred to as a “single-payer system.” Unlike in Britain, for example, where the government actually runs many health facilities, the majority of hospitals and doctors’ offices in Canada are nominally independent of the government. But the piper’s payer calls the tune, and in Canada the government is the only payer that’s allowed by law. Governments control hospital capital budgets and approve what technology they can purchase and what services they can offer. In fact, Canada is the only western country in which private insurance for publicly insured procedures is actually outlawed.1 In the UK, a country with a government-run program called the National Health Service (NHS), a program that was established in 1947, the government, unlike Canada, does allow private insurance programs such as BUPA. As the NHS deteriorated, more and more individuals and groups have demanded and opted for BUPA or equivalent coverage.

Through Medicare, the Canadian federal government sets and administers the national principles and standards for provincial health care, as currently defined by the Canada Health Act. It transfers federal funds to provincial governments for health care. Provincial governments are required to contribute significant financial support to their hospital and medical insurance programs. They are also responsible for administering the programs. In the U.S. context, Canada’s Medicare is similar to US Medicaid, the system through which state governments provide health insurance for low-income Americans. Another way to think about it is as a series of extremely poorly run, monopoly HMOs. Many Americans are becoming dissatisfied with their HMOs. It is worth noting that a recent study in the British Medical Journal compared the performance of Kaiser Permanente to Britain’s NHS. It is noteworthy that Kaiser outperformed the NHS on all variables If Americans are dissatisfied with Kaiser, how would they tolerate a fully managed government system?

Incentives matter, and one need only examine the incentives of the Canadian system to predict the results: inefficient use of resources and severe rationing of expensive procedures. Patients consider health care to be free. They pay for it for sure. Canadian doctor and author David Gratzer (currently part of the Canadian doctor brain drain to the U.S.), estimates that the system costs each Canadian 21 cents for every $1 they earn, which translates into $7,350 a year for a person earning $35,000. But they don’t pay for it when they use it. The result is an overuse—and inefficient use—of primary care facilities.

Physicians are paid fee-for-service at government set rates. The rates are low, so they perform more services. This places upward pressure on spending, so many provincial governments have capped the total amount they can bill in a year. Doctors who hit this cap simply take extended holidays, which don’t do much for their patients.
It doesn’t require a degree from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government to see that there are cost containment problems in a system whereby consumers pay nothing at point of consumption and producers are left free to decide what to sell. The only way for the government to control spending is through global budgets. Hence, doctors annual incomes are capped and, even more important, so too are the budgets of hospitals.

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