Question for Deano?

[Jeremey]

"BORing!"

[NealIsGod]

Hurt your hand, go to doctor, get fixed. Very simple.

How is your hand, anyway?

[NealIsGod]

"BORing!"

Jeremey, what's up?!

[AR]

"BORing!"

Sorry it wasn't a simple soundbyte. Serious topics like health care require more than just one or two lines.

Highlights:

the Canadian system suffers from long waiting times for critical procedures, lack of access to current technology, increasing costs to taxpayers and patients, and a brain drain of doctors, who head south for better working conditions and more money.

Patients consider health care to be free. They pay for it for sure. Canadian doctor and author David Gratzer (currently part of the Canadian doctor brain drain to the U.S.), estimates that the system costs each Canadian 21 cents for every $1 they earn, which translates into $7,350 a year for a person earning $35,000. But they don’t pay for it when they use it. The result is an overuse—and inefficient use—of primary care facilities.

Physicians are paid fee-for-service at government set rates. The rates are low, so they perform more services. This places upward pressure on spending, so many provincial governments have caped the total amount they can bill in a year. Doctors who hit this cap simply take extended holidays, which don’t do much for their patients.

[Jeremey]

Jeremey, what's up?!

Hey NIG! Just heading out to pickup some Thai food!

[AR]

Just thinking about this. My post on Canadian health care was "boring" and too long to read I guess but some can spend hours upon hours analyzing the vocal patterns of a replacement singer 30+ year old band that will never have a hit again. Damn that's important!

Just sayin'

[NealIsGod]

Jeremey, what's up?!

Hey NIG! Just heading out to pickup some Thai food!

Sweet. Thai Chicken Pasta is my favorite, but that's more Americanized Thai.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Aren't all Dems?

Not a Dem. Sorry.
Though you have indisputably proven yourself to be a card carrying Conservative ass jockey.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And your response to him above is stereotypically leftist. One could make the same kind of argument about the idiots who voted for Clinton. The guy was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter and he passed him up. He bombed a friggin' aspirin factory. The list of Clinton miscues is longer than John Gotti's rap sheet.

Your ilk somehow always manages to place the blame soley at the feet of Clinton and/or his wild out of control libido.
Here's a radical idea: how about some "personal responsibility"?
Y'know, one of the arch tenets of Republicanism?
9-11 happened on Dubbya's watch.
He is the one who failed to act on numerous security memos that explicityly stated Bin Laden's devious aeronautical intentions.

[Jeremey]

Just thinking about this. My post on Canadian health care was "boring" and too long to read I guess but some can spend hours upon hours analyzing the vocal patterns of a replacement singer 30+ year old band that will never have a hit again. Damn that's important!

Just sayin'

Come on, now that was exciting stuff!

Just ball bustin' - Wanted to use a picture of Homer Simpson in something yesterday!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yea, great.
TheNobleCrybaby.

Thumb your nose at the downtrodden economic plight of your fellow contrymen, but fight tooth and nail so that some poor Iraqi can experience the "magical" cure-all wonders of Democracy.
You're one sick traitorous pup.

[Red13JoePa]

Blah, blah, blah

[The_Noble_Cause]

Blah, blah, blah

I take it you weren't exactly the captain of your high school debate team, were you?
I guess that's why you have your face so far up Bush's colon.
You appreciate a fellow bumbling inarticulate clodhopper.
It's cool.
Quickly, go turn on those insufferable pundits on "Fox and Friends" and just copy what they say.
I'll wait.....

[conversationpc]

Your ilk somehow always manages to place the blame soley at the feet of Clinton and/or his wild out of control libido.
Here's a radical idea: how about some "personal responsibility"?
Y'know, one of the arch tenets of Republicanism?
9-11 happened on Dubbya's watch.
He is the one who failed to act on numerous security memos that explicityly stated Bin Laden's devious aeronautical intentions.

The loons of the left always overlook Clinton's indiscretions (not talking sexual here) in favor of Dubya's simply because of your out-of-control hatred for conservatives.

9-11 Would've happened on Gore's watch if he had been elected. To blame something as complex as what happened on 9-11 is something only someone who wants to overlook the obvious would do. The blame lies at ALL levels of government and security at the airports that should have been in place to begin with. Despite all that, if terrorists want to accomplish something like they did then, it's only a matter of time regardless of what politician has their ass sitting in the White House.

I take it you weren't exactly the captain of your high school debate team, were you?
I guess that's why you have your face so far up Bush's colon.
You appreciate a fellow bumbling inarticulate clodhopper.

Yeah, the first rule of debating: If you don't have anything intelligent to say, make up for it by making yourself look foolish by personal attacks and name-calling. That's the ticket.

[Rockindeano]

Um, no.

You are wrong on all accounts.

Your guy wanted the Presidency so bad, he blatantly cheated to get it. Then he has 9/11 happen on his watch.

Deal with it.

"Loser's place blame; winner's accept responsibility."

W is a disgrace at every turn.

[conversationpc]

Um, no.

You are wrong on all accounts.

Your guy wanted the Presidency so bad, he blatantly cheated to get it. Then he has 9/11 happen on his watch.

Deal with it.

"Loser's place blame; winner's accept responsibility."

W is a disgrace at every turn.

Um....No.

Losers place blame and winners accept responsibility? Sounds a lot like you and TNC in this thread, placing blame and not accepting responsibility. That's all that most repubs and dems do nowadays, blame the other side. Blah blah blah.

There's plenty of blame to go around for both sides, including Bush AND Clinton. I only agree with Bush on a couple of issues as far as I can tell. If it weren't for his willingness to take the fight to the terrorists, I would have been all in favor of sending him home in the last election (and the fact that Kerry was one of the sorriest candidates in recent Presidential history).

Bush is my guy? Other than the war on terror and a couple of other issues, the guy is nothing more than a big spending liberal, in my opinion. He's presided over one the biggest ever increases in government spending and only used his friggin' veto pen once in the 6 years he's been in office. At least with Clinton, it was blatantly obvious that the guy was a Socialist.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The loons of the left always overlook Clinton's indiscretions (not talking sexual here) in favor of Dubya's simply because of your out-of-control hatred for conservatives.

The Clintons are Republicans in Democrats clothing and nothing more.
I have said as much on here repeatedly.
You can have those conniving bastards.

9-11 Would've happened on Gore's watch if he had been elected.

Wrong. He actually read his memos.

Yeah, the first rule of debating: If you don't have anything intelligent to say, make up for it by making yourself look foolish by personal attacks and name-calling. That's the ticket.

I never claimed to have been a member of my school's debate team, either.
In fact, the only rule I try to observe when arguing with Conservative douchenozzles (such as yourself) is "take no prisoners!".

[RedWingFan]

And your response to him above is stereotypically leftist. One could make the same kind of argument about the idiots who voted for Clinton. The guy was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter and he passed him up. He bombed a friggin' aspirin factory. The list of Clinton miscues is longer than John Gotti's rap sheet.

Your ilk somehow always manages to place the blame soley at the feet of Clinton and/or his wild out of control libido.
Here's a radical idea: how about some "personal responsibility"?
Y'know, one of the arch tenets of Republicanism?
9-11 happened on Dubbya's watch.
He is the one who failed to act on numerous security memos that explicityly stated Bin Laden's devious aeronautical intentions.

Yeah, 9-11 happened on Dubbya's watch. Ever hear of Jamie Gorelick? The wall she built w/ the Clinton admin. was still up preventing the CIA and FBI from sharing info. and connecting dots. 9-11 happens and Dem's start crying "why didn't Bush connect the dots?" Then Bush tears down that wall with the "Patriot act", finds some dots to connect, breaks up lots of terror planning and later still Senate Min. leader Harry Reid gleefully shouts from the floor, "We killed the Patiot act".
Believe what you want on who's responsible for 9-11. But there's one party (properly represented by an ASS) that is not willing to defend this country. I'll repaste part of a column by Larry Elder I put in a previous post in case you missed it. It is quite powerful in stating what we're facing and just how long we have been dealing with it. We've spent hundreds of years just saying, "boy they're just nuts over there." But now in the nuclear age we can't put it off any longer.

In the book ''Victory in Tripoli,'' Joshua London writes about the Muslim Barbary pirates. They attacked American shipping vessels in the 18th century, often boarding ships and enslaving crewmembers. Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then ambassador to Britain, visited the resident ambassador from Tripoli (modern-day Libya) in London to negotiate a treaty to protect American ships from Barbary pirates. Why, asked Adams and Jefferson, is your government so hostile to the fledgling United States of America? After all, we have no quarrel with you, nor you with us.

The Tripolitan ambassador told them – as reported to the Continental Congress – ''that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Yes, they are that ''sadistic.'' And yes, we are ''really in for a long and awful war.''

[Rockindeano]

Jamie Gorelick is extremely intelligent, and to place blame on her is ascinide.

I just lov how you cons say bin Laden was offered to Clinton. It's not that easy. Stop listening to assholes like Hannity and Limfat and make up your own mind. Clinton was one of, if not a top 5 president. TNC, you are so wrong about them.

You republicans have a lot of gall to keep repeating lies and bullshit from Faux News.

Bush has no clue folks..none whatsoever. Cheney, and Rice run this place. You like it, vote GOP.

[RedWingFan]

Jamie Gorelick is extremely intelligent, and to place blame on her is ascinide.

I just lov how you cons say bin Laden was offered to Clinton. It's not that easy. Stop listening to assholes like Hannity and Limfat and make up your own mind. Clinton was one of, if not a top 5 president. TNC, you are so wrong about them.

You republicans have a lot of gall to keep repeating lies and bullshit from Faux News.

Bush has no clue folks..none whatsoever. Cheney, and Rice run this place. You like it, vote GOP.

c'mon Deano you can't be serious? Top 5? name one problem Clinton solved? The '93 WTC bombing...ooh yeah they prosicuted the hell out of that guy, didn't he. Meanwhile Bin Laden's over there sayin' "Damn that didn't work, let's try something else" We knew Al-Qaeda was responsible. Clinton did nothing but apologize around the world for all the bad things America has done.

[Rockindeano]

Don't have time to list everything.

However, Bosnia was handled perfectly.

Haiti- perfectly.

Somalia was a disaster, and that was cleaned up..41 started that shit.

Allies the world over. Friends. Best ever economy ever. Unemployment at 4.7%. Budget surplus of 440 Billion dollars when Bill left. After first two years of W, 280 Billion dollar defecit.

Was he perfect? hell no. But damned good.

[RedWingFan]

Don't have time to list everything.

However, Bosnia was handled perfectly.

Haiti- perfectly.

Somalia was a disaster, and that was cleaned up..41 started that shit.

Allies the world over. Friends. Best ever economy ever. Unemployment at 4.7%. Budget surplus of 440 Billion dollars when Bill left. After first two years of W, 280 Billion dollar defecit.

Was he perfect? hell no. But damned good.

Wait! don't forget "Black Hawk Down" you know our dead soldiers dragged though the streets, which bubba quickly pulled us out of. The one that inspired Bin Laden to say that the U.S. was a paper tiger that couldn't take casualties. Kind of nailing down the Dem's in Congress, "bring our boy's home". Best economy ever? Have you checked the reciepts coming in to the Fed? Guess not. How about Unemployment, last checked the national avg. was 4.6%. And as for that PROJECTED surplus. It was never there, it was PROJECTED because right after entering office he signed the largest tax increase in U.S. history (including the middle class which he campaigned against). I do agree Bush spends too much, he should have vetoed all kinds of spending bills, but I think he wants the Dems to like him. The "new tone" remember?

[Rockindeano]

Wrong on all counts.

I should know better than to debate with a Raider fan. Enjoy your 4-12 season.

[RedWingFan]

Wrong on all counts.

I should know better than to debate with a Raider fan. Enjoy your 4-12 season.

heh-heh after watching Philly's 1st team offense go through our D like that, I may have to agree...But politically I am right. I have my beefs w/ W too (immigration, spending) But this war's too important to be left to the Dems. They don't have the heart or the balls to fight much less win.

[conversationpc]

Budget surplus of 440 Billion dollars when Bill left. After first two years of W, 280 Billion dollar defecit.

Sorry. The U.S. government has been running a deficit for YEARS, including during Clinton's presidency. Conviently, federal politicians don't include the numbers for Social Security or Medicare in the budget. CEOs of corporations would be fired for accounting practices like that.

Jamie Gorelick is extremely intelligent, and to place blame on her is ascinide.

Ascinide? Is that what happens when you make an ass of yourself? You commit ascinide?


Gorelick may be intelligent but she messed up BIG TIME.

This is fun but it belongs in the Politics forum. I'll be happy to continue discussing there.

[conversationpc]

I never claimed to have been a member of my school's debate team, either.
In fact, the only rule I try to observe when arguing with Conservative douchenozzles (such as yourself) is "take no prisoners!".

You seem to have a real fetish for things like douches, violent anal sex, and homesexuality. Been spending time at the Blue Oyster Bar with your buddies?

[The_Noble_Cause]

You seem to have a real fetish for things like douches, violent anal sex, and homesexuality. Been spending time at the Blue Oyster Bar with your buddies?

Nah, just a few GOP fundraisers.

[conversationpc]

You seem to have a real fetish for things like douches, violent anal sex, and homesexuality. Been spending time at the Blue Oyster Bar with your buddies?

Nah, just a few GOP fundraisers.

Dang! Don't party too hard there...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Stop listening to assholes like Hannity and Limfat and make up your own mind. Clinton was one of, if not a top 5 president. TNC, you are so wrong about them.

The very reason why Conservative gasbags like Limfat and Hannity have such a monopolistic stronghold all over our airwaves is because of Clinton.
And let's not get started about NAFTA, either.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, doh.

Asinine, is what I was trying to say.

I fucked up majorly with that one.