The Voice

[SusieP]

I'm not sure how Steve Perry would NOT realize that the constant touring would take its toll on his voice, yet at the same time, what was he supposed to do about it, tell everyone that he wasn't going to tour? That wouldn't have worked.

It can DEFINITELY happen. If you're used to 4 nights a week and your voice is fine, and then you start going to 6 nights a week or even 5, just adding that one or two more shows and taking the rest time out of your schedule can kill a voice.

Agreed, especially if there is a lot of travelling between venues.
Rest is very important for a singer.
Many people (sometimes even the other members of your band) don't understand that.

[TRAGChick]

When someone like Steve Perry, Steve Augeri, and the likes, have a great voice, why do they not do all they can to take care of it. Both men mentioned wrecked their voices from too much touring. Heard Augeri smokes, don't know if that is true or not. Heard Perry had his own addictions in the past.
The reason I bring this up, I saw Dennis DeYoung last week. His voice is as good as, if not better now, than at his prime.
I know know in the case of Lou Gram why his voice went down hill, but my would someone shoot their own foot and stop killing their way of life.
Any thoughts-ERIC

Hey Eric...

Yes; your first two comments are correct.

When you combine the "fickleness" of the Music Industry with a "blinders on" work ethic of 5 ultra talented YOUNG men who wanted to set the world on fire with their abilities, it's enough to make ANYone in that situation believe that they are "10ft tall & bulletproof", as far as their "performance shelf-life" goes.

Pretty heady stuff....

....until the adrenaline rush wears off, and the reality of what you've done to yourself sets in.

[Deb]

The guy is a total class act, and a real sweetheart to boot.

I guess you aren't 11 years old.

Guess not. I think I read about this on a board somewhere, are you the one he brushed off when you were a kid?

[NealIsGod]

The guy is a total class act, and a real sweetheart to boot.

I guess you aren't 11 years old.

Guess not. I think I read about this on a board somewhere, are you the one he brushed off when you were a kid?

No, I think it was RossValoryRocks

[Chakra]

I guess we all have childhood memories that weren't pleasant. I'm sure they are a little more embellished as we grow up. Also, parents either flame the fire or teach us that it's not the action, it's our reaction to it.

If the reference is this perceived SP incident over 25 years ago, I would say it's time to let it go. This is water WAY under the bridge and really not repeating on and on and on.

[A Fire Inside]

I guess we all have childhood memories that weren't pleasant. I'm sure they are a little more embellished as we grow up. Also, parents either flame the fire or teach us that it's not the action, it's our reaction to it.

If the reference is this perceived SP incident over 25 years ago, I would say it's time to let it go. This is water WAY under the bridge and really not repeating on and on and on.

[brywool]

I guess we all have childhood memories that weren't pleasant. I'm sure they are a little more embellished as we grow up. Also, parents either flame the fire or teach us that it's not the action, it's our reaction to it.

If the reference is this perceived SP incident over 25 years ago, I would say it's time to let it go. This is water WAY under the bridge and really not repeating on and on and on.

I dunno... if one of my idols did that to me, it'd be tough to let go. The guy should be ashamed of himself.

Over here, the talk is a bit more real-life than over at the 'other' place. All threads here are not so rosey. If those types of references bother you, maybe you're in the wrong place. Over here, it's the band's warts and all and I find it more refreshing, not to mention, you get more information on what's happening with the band over here in a week than you do reading the other site for a month. Sorry, but I saw someone else say the same thing about the 11 year old kid deal and I'm like "Jesus, why stick up for someone that would do that?"

Maybe we could start a thread on Augeri's red leather pants...?

[yak]

I guess we all have childhood memories that weren't pleasant. I'm sure they are a little more embellished as we grow up. Also, parents either flame the fire or teach us that it's not the action, it's our reaction to it.

If the reference is this perceived SP incident over 25 years ago, I would say it's time to let it go. This is water WAY under the bridge and really not repeating on and on and on.

So what are you saying? That RVR is "embelishing" the story because he's older now? A little low, isn't it, to insinuate that? And you profess to know about parenting.....what?



Uh....you're wrong. First off, the way Perry treated RVR as a 10 year old (and if he did it to him how many others did he do it to?), says volumes regarding what kind of human being he is. He still doesn't like speaking about his hidden daughter, something I find preposterous. Now I know why.

Secondly, get it through your head, that as a young person, that kind of thing stays with you forever. As an adult, you might think, "what a jerk." You stay away from the jerk's concerts, etc. You relate your story to others. But as a kid, it stays with you.

Say '"Italia," if this was a singer you didn't like, would you be taking the same stance? Somehow I think not.

So your point is you think Perry is not a saint. He didn't sign autographs ( one sided heresay).
He didn't like germs, okay? Gee, I know quite a few people who don't like them.

This all equates to = you don't like Perry.

Point taken. Different strokes for different folks.

You've misinterpreted what I said, but that's par for the course. The autograph incident wasn't one-sided hearsay. It happened. In Anchorage. After the last ROR concert. You know the one...it was supposed to continue, but Perry left the building....for the umpteenth time.


Not to worry...if you think I'm "different." That simply means I march to the tune of my own drum. I don't follow the crowd...and that works for me.

The Middle East is a powder keg. This is a music message board. Get over yourself.

[Deb]

[quote="yak

he still doesn't like speaking about his hidden daughter, something I find preposterous. Now I know why.



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Actually, I applaud the celebrities that don't show off their kids to the world, dragging them to everything. Some just want their kids to have a normal life. Do ya think Jon Bon Jovi is an ass for not throwing his kids to the public too? Wanting to keep their family life private. I guess it is all in how ya look at it Yak.

[yak]

Actually, I applaud the celebrities that don't show off their kids to the world, dragging them to everything. Some just want their kids to have a normal life. Do ya think Jon Bon Jovi is an ass for not throwing his kids to the public too? Wanting to keep their family life private. I guess it is all in how ya look at it Yak.

That's all you got out of my whole post? Whatever.......

I was referring to when Perry was answering pre-screened questions and somebody asked him if Patty Jenkins was his daughter. He made some ludicrous remark (likely pre-rehearsed) .......

Do you have children? Getty images incorrectly reported that Patty Jenkins is your daughter.
SP: Children? I'd have no personal life if I talk about my personal life.
Patty Jenkins?.... is not my daughter. She's my sister. No...just kidding ...she's my attorney.....NO, NO just kidding again..........she's my midnight rendezvous...YUM!!.....No - she's a good friend that is very talented and,
yes...... thanks for pointing it out........... she is much younger than I.

I found that to be a slap in the face to his daughter. What kind of normal "life" does she have anyway? She never lived with her father. So, outside of that, she probably has a relatively normal life like the rest of us. It's not like she was made to travel around as a young child when Journey traveled. He didn't even know he had a daughter for years. Now why do you suppose that was?

What did my comment have to do with Jon Bon Jovi? You from Jersey?

[Jeremey fan forever]

People keep saying Perry lost his voice like its a fact, but I'm not convinced. I saw Journey ROR concert and Perry was good, but not what I hoped, and it was first time I heard him live besides Captured. Listening to the boot from Perry's FTLOSM, and he sounds better than he did on the ROR tour, and just as good as anything I have heard him do live, if not better. SO why does everyone keep saying it? Because of what he sang at the baseball game recently?

[conversationpc]

People keep saying Perry lost his voice like its a fact, but I'm not convinced. I saw Journey ROR concert and Perry was good, but not what I hoped, and it was first time I heard him live besides Captured. Listening to the boot from Perry's FTLOSM, and he sounds better than he did on the ROR tour, and just as good as anything I have heard him do live, if not better. SO why does everyone keep saying it? Because of what he sang at the baseball game recently?

Have you not heard anything Perry has done since "Raised on Radio"? It's obvious the guy's voice slipped a notch or two, technically speaking. That's not to say that he couldn't still sound good given the right song in the right key.

[Jeremey fan forever]

People keep saying Perry lost his voice like its a fact, but I'm not convinced. I saw Journey ROR concert and Perry was good, but not what I hoped, and it was first time I heard him live besides Captured. Listening to the boot from Perry's FTLOSM, and he sounds better than he did on the ROR tour, and just as good as anything I have heard him do live, if not better. SO why does everyone keep saying it? Because of what he sang at the baseball game recently?

Have you not heard anything Perry has done since "Raised on Radio"? It's obvious the guy's voice slipped a notch or two, technically speaking. That's not to say that he couldn't still sound good given the right song in the right key.

That's what I just said. Was not For the Love of Strange Medicine AFTER ROR? I think he sounds better on his solo tour than he did on ROR, and its just as good and sometimes even better than anything I heard him do. Seems to contradict what I keep hearing about Perry.

[Deb]

[quote="yak]
That's all you got out of my whole post? Whatever.......

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No, thats not all I got out of your post, just the only part I chose to respond to. Sounds like ya got a bit of a hate-on for the guy there. But ya, whatever.........

....and No, I'm not from Jersey.

[conversationpc]

Things that happen to you as a child will stay with you for whatever reasons. Even the best of us have scars that still hurt, even if we've moved on with our lives and become the better person for it. There are two events that I still, to this day, remember that hurt at the time even though I didn't let on. Now I am a well-adjusted, functioning adult but I still think about those things from time to time, even though at the time they happened, didn't seem to be that big a thing.

[Chakra]

My point is simply this, once again none of us were there to witness this event. (SP going off on a kid). This is second, third hand heresay, whatever! If Perry weren't famous this story wouldn't be repeated 25 plus years later.

Was every teacher you ever had "nice" to you? Was every adult you came in contact with nurturing? I had some teachers during my school years that were pretty unpleasant. Those are "real" role models. That would affect a child a hell of a lot more than meeting a celebrity ONE time. And, it wouldn't be talked about to death if it were a run of the mill Joe. This is one side of a story. Who knows what was going on at the time? We weren't there! There are two sides to every story and only one side has been told. Therefore it is heresay.
I have my take on it and you have yours.

Chill out!

[NealIsGod]

Was every teacher you ever had "nice" to you? Was every adult you came in contact with nurturing?

No adults asked me "what the fuck" I wanted when I was a kid!

[conversationpc]

My point is simply this, once again none of us were there to witness this event. (SP going off on a kid). This is second, third hand heresay, whatever! If Perry weren't famous this story wouldn't be repeated 25 plus years later.

No, it's not second or third-hand heresay. Stu (RossValoryRocks) related his encounter with Perry here last week and I've heard him tell the same account once before also.

[Chakra]

It is one side of a 25 year old story! None of us were there. Maybe an adult accompanying him was a jerk, and the comment was directed there and not at the kid. It is one person's version, without benefit of the other.

We have ALL done things we regret or been accused of things we haven't done. Since none of us are famous we don't have folks spreading it all over the Internet and beyond wearing it like a Purple Heart.

Life isn't a still frame. Times change, people change and memories are selective.

[Rockindeano]

Going off on a kid?

Hell, I was 17 yrs old, and at Burbank, CA airport. Journey was flying out to somewhere, and they as I , were fogged in. Perry, and no one else, was the only one cussing, bitching and complaining. Smitty was embarrassed. I will never forget that day. I was going to approach Perry, and when I heard him get pissed, turned away.

[conversationpc]

It is one side of a 25 year old story! None of us were there. Maybe an adult accompanying him was a jerk, and the comment was directed there and not at the kid. It is one person's version, without benefit of the other.

No, no other adult accompanying Stu was a jerk. Stu said he was merely standing there waiting for Perry to get done talking with somebody and waited for several minutes. Perry finally looked at him and flatly said, "What the fuck are you looking at?" Regardless, it doesn't matter if someone else in the room was a jerk. It doesn't excuse Perry's behavior that day. He was a dumb ass at that point, plain and simple.

Hopefully, he's a better person today.

[Chakra]

Deano,

I guess the cat is out of the bag after all these years!
Your expressive, colorful and entertaining way of communicating began that foggy day in Burbank, CA at the hands of Steve Perry!

[yak]

No adults asked me "what the fuck" I wanted when I was a kid!

Me neither.

Save your breath. She'll spin it till her head gets dizzy.

[Chakra]

Back to the playground children.

[Rockindeano]

Deano,

I guess the cat is out of the bag after all these years!
Your expressive, colorful and entertaining way of communicating began that foggy day in Burbank, CA at the hands of Steve Perry!

Fuck you! I am an original. I copy no one.

[Voyager]

I have also heard of perry's addiction to cola. Not sure if that's true, BUT IF IT IS TRUE, kiss the voice goodbye and he's the biggest dumbfu** in the world to waste that talent.

Why speculate if you're not sure if the rumor is true? I say he's the biggest "smartfu**" in the world for not shredding his voice like Augeri did. It takes a lot of discipline to stand against the temptation to tour when the whole world is saying, "Please sing for us Steve!" You don't think he wanted to? Of course he did!!! He is an entertainer at heart, and all entertainers want to make their fans happy. But SP knew when to say "no". I don't think he is a "dumbfu**" for that - rather, he's a "smartfu**". He understood and respected his human limitations.

[brywool]

I have also heard of perry's addiction to cola. Not sure if that's true, BUT IF IT IS TRUE, kiss the voice goodbye and he's the biggest dumbfu** in the world to waste that talent.

Why speculate if you're not sure if the rumor is true? I say he's the biggest "smartfu**" in the world for not shredding his voice like Augeri did. It takes a lot of discipline to stand against the temptation to tour when the whole world is saying, "Please sing for us Steve!" You don't think he wanted to? Of course he did!!! He is an entertainer at heart, and all entertainers want to make their fans happy. But SP knew when to say "no". I don't think he is a "dumbfu**" for that - rather, he's a "smartfu**". He understood and respected his human limitations.

I can speculate if I like
Here's some non speculation for ya:
Perry totally "shredded" his voice. Why do you think he lowered the keys on his solo tour?
He still sang the songs well, but they were in lower keys, making it easier on him.
(Get a clue Journey! You should be doing this now!)
Why do you think he cancelled his solo tour?
Why do you think that that on Frontiers and onward he sounded like Brian Adams?
He's lost a lot of his range and he's even acknowledged that.
("I don't feel my voice is in good enough shape to do the songs justice" -2005)
He's still a great singer and was THE best singer I've ever heard. PERIOD.

Whether Augeri shredded his or not, nobody really knows yet. We haven't heard from him since all that happened. We haven't heard recordings of him like we did with Perry. I have talked to a mutual friend who knows Steve and knows the voice. Steve is under the impression that he will be back. I hope so because I like him and his voice.
He may not have damaged it beyond repair. He also may have. Nobody knows yet because the friggin' band ain't talking. Rather than do the right thing and give their guy time to recover, they soldiered on and APPARENTLY used tapes to play the gigs. If I were to believe the Journey press release, it's basically saying he has a throat infection. So yeah, I'm going to speculate because the band doesn't tell their fans crap.

Regarding Perry's POSSIBLE addictions- those stories are rampant.

Don't kid yourself, not ALL entertainers are doing it for the fans. Many do it for the money or because they're good at it and realy don't give a rats ass about the fans.
Not saying that's Perry, but I know he ain't into 11 year olds!

Self police yourself and don't worry about others.

[Chakra]

http://starbulletin.com/2006/08/09/feat ... ory03.html

NOBODY does it better!

[PROPERRY]

http://starbulletin.com/2006/08/09/features/story03.html

NOBODY does it better!

You got that right, Italia!! When it comes to Journey songs, Steve Perry is the best in my book!!

That was a nice read, thanks for sharing that here!

Lori