If there is God, Dean will sing

[Moon Beam]

Ok Andrew please enlighten my ars here.
From everywhere(except here) Deen Castronovo
is spelled like that not Dean.
Which is it Wombat?...I just ask cuz you just spelled it DEAN
just now......I'm so confused.

[Lula]

pssst... Moon, over here.....

Journey drummer = Deen

[Rockindeano]

pssst... Moon, over here.....

Journey drummer = Deen

Yeah
Lula drummer= Dean

[Rockindeano]

The title of this thread should read:

If there is a God, Dean will manage. I guarantee you we would make noise....

[Abitaman]

The title of this thread should read:

If there is a God, Dean will manage. I guarantee you we would make noise....

[Andrew]

Deen of course...just a typo...

[bionic]

If Augeri doesn't come back and Kevin Chalfant soedn't want, I would go with Deen too. But D. says he doesn't want, and Neal or someone has said they don't think his voice would hold out. -ERIC

Augeri is not coming back Jeff is the new guy trust me,in regard to Kevin Chalfant who i spoke to yesterday he has not been asked but he is there for the guys if they need him! The sooner Journey make the announcement the better,Kevin said it seems that the band are going in a more hard rock direction.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri is not coming back Jeff is the new guy trust me,in regard to Kevin Chalfant who i spoke to yesterday he has not been asked but he is there for the guys if they need him!

The continual overlooking of Kevin Chalfant may be the biggest error in all of Journey's post-Perry history.
Why they chose Augeri (or anyone) over this guy is beyond me.

[mnmsjrny]

Michelle! Ouch!!

LOL... well, c'mon, no one with half a brain fires Steve Smith. That has got to be one of the most boneheaded decisions the band has ever made.

[ArnelRox]

Augeri is not coming back Jeff is the new guy trust me,in regard to Kevin Chalfant who i spoke to yesterday he has not been asked but he is there for the guys if they need him! The sooner Journey make the announcement the better,Kevin said it seems that the band are going in a more hard rock direction.

It is SO time for that announcement. All the poor Auggie fans are doing xtra jiggling in anticipation thinking their boyo is gonna return (& play more tapes 4 them???). Actually I feel sorry for them. I really do. They keep thinking their 5* ticket packages - of which they bought 5 & 6 - are gonna mean their boy will be up there soon. Shit seeing as they bought all these 5* packages & paid ALL that money you'd think the least the band can do is let them know. Oh w8 I got it. The band prolly thinks as soon as they see JSS shake it they'll transfer their jiggly adulation to him. Oooookkkk then. It's only a matter of time b4 they're all fantasizing about JSS don't u think? They gotta fantasize about someone.

[ArnelRox]

Michelle! Ouch!!

LOL... well, c'mon, no one with half a brain fires Steve Smith. That has got to be one of the most boneheaded decisions the band has ever made.

Now w8 a sec. I know someone who knows Smitty. He said Smitty chose to leave becoz he couldn't do what Perry wanted for that album & tour. I think Smitty has interviewed & said the same thing several times. So why does every1 go on & on about him being fired?

[conversationpc]

Michelle! Ouch!!

LOL... well, c'mon, no one with half a brain fires Steve Smith. That has got to be one of the most boneheaded decisions the band has ever made.

Now w8 a sec. I know someone who knows Smitty. He said Smitty chose to leave becoz he couldn't do what Perry wanted for that album & tour. I think Smitty has interviewed & said the same thing several times. So why does every1 go on & on about him being fired?

Even Perry admitted on the BTM episode that it was a mistake.

[mnmsjrny]

When Perry left 80% of Journey's fan base left too.
That is a made-up statistic and completely stupid. Only die-hards cared.

First, it's not a made up statistic. It's based on album sales and concert attendance. This year they're riding Def Leppards coattails. However, before that they were playing a lot of casino gigs and fairs. And you're right, he did cut off three tours. Whether the reasons were legit is pure speculation. However, Journey lipped through the second half of last years tour and the beginnibg of this one. Maybe cutting off tours isn't such a bad idea, eh? At least he cared more about the integrity of the music than limping through a tour just to pad his pockets. I'll take quality over quantity any day.

Um... Yes, that is a made up statistic. If you happened to take a look at the tour schedule, you'd notice that Journey is playing at quite a few of the SAME venues they played LAST YEAR, not to mention several times previously. Just in my area alone, they are playing at the Concord Pavilion & the Whatever the heck it's called this week Pavilion in Marysville -- BOTH of which Journey performed at last summer to packed houses. My estimation having attended those shows is they were at least 2/3 full if not more. I know they were in the list of top tours last year based on Pollstar reports, as they have been in previous years. If 80% of Journey's fanbase left with Perry, there is NO WAY they could have sustained tours for 8 years.

And you need to define "a lot of casino gigs and fairs" -- 4 or 5 in a list of over 50 tour dates does not consist of "a lot" to me. Of course one of those "casino gigs" is the Aladdin, which they also played with Perry...

[mnmsjrny]

If most people didn't know that he was gone they sure as shit would NOT be opening for Def Leppard. It's obvious that most people DO know that he is gone. hence low attendance at concerts and shitty album sales. C'mon man, you can't possibly believe that what you are saying is true.

Not based on what I've personally experienced -- I hit multiple shows every summer and invariably I will have a conversation with someone at nearly EVERY show I attend who (a) had no clue Perry left, (b) didn't know Perry's been gone and Journey's been touring for 8 years, and/or (c) had attended a show with Augeri in the past and THOUGHT HE WAS STEVE PERRY. The casual concert goer doesn't know and doesn't care.

[mnmsjrny]

Michelle! Ouch!!

LOL... well, c'mon, no one with half a brain fires Steve Smith. That has got to be one of the most boneheaded decisions the band has ever made.

Now w8 a sec. I know someone who knows Smitty. He said Smitty chose to leave becoz he couldn't do what Perry wanted for that album & tour. I think Smitty has interviewed & said the same thing several times. So why does every1 go on & on about him being fired?

Even Perry admitted on the BTM episode that it was a mistake.

Yup, they all have agreed that it was a stupid thing to do. (And I do believe that on the same episode they specifically said Smitty was fired. I *know* Neal & Jon said that in the Journey Digest interview.)

[Saint John]

When Perry left 80% of Journey's fan base left too.
That is a made-up statistic and completely stupid. Only die-hards cared.

First, it's not a made up statistic. It's based on album sales and concert attendance. This year they're riding Def Leppards coattails. However, before that they were playing a lot of casino gigs and fairs. And you're right, he did cut off three tours. Whether the reasons were legit is pure speculation. However, Journey lipped through the second half of last years tour and the beginnibg of this one. Maybe cutting off tours isn't such a bad idea, eh? At least he cared more about the integrity of the music than limping through a tour just to pad his pockets. I'll take quality over quantity any day.

Um... Yes, that is a made up statistic. If you happened to take a look at the tour schedule, you'd notice that Journey is playing at quite a few of the SAME venues they played LAST YEAR, not to mention several times previously. Just in my area alone, they are playing at the Concord Pavilion & the Whatever the heck it's called this week Pavilion in Marysville -- BOTH of which Journey performed at last summer to packed houses. My estimation having attended those shows is they were at least 2/3 full if not more. I know they were in the list of top tours last year based on Pollstar reports, as they have been in previous years. If 80% of Journey's fanbase left with Perry, there is NO WAY they could have sustained tours for 8 years.

And you need to define "a lot of casino gigs and fairs" -- 4 or 5 in a list of over 50 tour dates does not consist of "a lot" to me. Of course one of those "casino gigs" is the Aladdin, which they also played with Perry...

Last year they averaged around 8,000 people per show. I think the number was closer to 7,800. They used to average about 40,000 when they played outdoor places like JFK and Soldier Field just to name two. Obviously in the Winter that is not possible. 8,000 is 20% of 40,000. As far as album sales go...pffft...THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. Red 13 sold a couple thousand copies and Generations was a form of extortion. Arrival is at about 400,000 I believe. This is much LESS than 20% of what they're used to. Trial By Fire sold over a million without a tour.

[ArnelRox]

Yup, they all have agreed that it was a stupid thing to do. (And I do believe that on the same episode they specifically said Smitty was fired. I *know* Neal & Jon said that in the Journey Digest interview.)

They said it was stupid yes. But Smitty gives the impression he left becoz he didn't know how to use a click track or it was at least a mutual decision:

http://www.journey-zone.com/Features/In ... -03.htm#ss

"Interviewers: Dave Golland and Svetlana Rogachevskaya: Let’s talk about why you left Journey in 1986. Many argue that it’s necessary nowadays, in order to add musical special effects to live shows, like enhanced vocals and multiple keyboards, to have a click track. Have your feelings on the click track issue changed at all since the Raised on Radio period? Are you warming up to the concept or do you still feel that it’s making you paint a house rather than be an artist? My understanding is that during Raised on Radio you and Steve Perry butted heads because he wanted to work with a click track. "

"Steve Smith: The issue with Steve Perry wasn’t so much that I didn’t want to play with a click track as I couldn’t play with a click track well during that time. It was new for me, a new experience. I’d never played with a click track. And you have to develop the skill to play with a click track and I had yet to develop that skill. And I did develop it later, within a couple of years, ‘cause then I focused on it because I needed to develop that skill to be a professional working musician, because It’s an industry standard now. Back then it was completely new. And I couldn’t really do it. It felt real uncomfortable. And so basically, what Perry did was, instead of abandoning the concept—because we had played a lot of records without a click track and we could have played that record without a click track, but Neal and Jonathan and Steve were very focused on fusing that new technology into the music. Hindsight, they’ve all said it wasn’t the greatest idea, because when we talked about it later, they’ve all said it would have been better to just play organically with the band and let it live where it lived.

But the problem was they wrote all the music with the technology. And that was a big shift—a paradigm shift—of how we did business. We used to write organically. But that record was written in Jonathan’s music room with machines—without Ross and me there. So by the time we came into it, it was hard for us to get ourselves not only invested but physically into it to the point where we could own the parts. It was the first time that they had written for us. And we didn’t have the skills to do what I can do now. If that happened now, I could go in and play it and it would be fine. But I didn’t have those skills developed at that time. So after a while, the easiest way for them to make the record was to get professionals for whom this was old business—this was comfortable for them. And that’s when Steve brought in Larrie Londin and Randy Jackson. They had done a lot of this already. You know, I’m to the point now where I’m doing that. You know, they have me come in and play, and the poor drummer sits on the sideline. So I know what that’s like, and it’s a drag in a band situation. It really was the end of the band at that point. "

[conversationpc]

As far as album sales go...pffft...THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. Red 13 sold a couple thousand copies and Generations was a form of extortion. Arrival is at about 400,000 I believe. This is much LESS than 20% of what they're used to. Trial By Fire sold over a million without a tour.

Using sales to determine how good an album may be is asinine. Album sales may equal popularity. Popularity doesn't necessarily equal good music. Some of my favorite all-time albums, including the one now in my sig, probably haven't even sold 100,000.

[ArnelRox]

Last year they averaged around 8,000 people per show. I think the number was closer to 7,800. They used to average about 40,000 when they played outdoor places like JFK and Soldier Field just to name two. Obviously in the Winter that is not possible. 8,000 is 20% of 40,000. As far as album sales go...pffft...THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. Red 13 sold a couple thousand copies and Generations was a form of extortion. Arrival is at about 400,000 I believe. This is much LESS than 20% of what they're used to. Trial By Fire sold over a million without a tour.

They're an 80s band doing the shows for all the nostalgia crowd. They're not a Top 40 band anymore. None of the nostalgia bands are selling out the stadiums with 40k crowds anymore. TBF was a decade ago and in the last century.

[Abitaman]

I have to agree with you 1,000% on that-ERIC

[yulog]

that royal hunt album blows

[conversationpc]

that royal hunt album blows

...away anything Journey has done over the last 20 years.

[Saint John]

As far as album sales go...pffft...THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. Red 13 sold a couple thousand copies and Generations was a form of extortion. Arrival is at about 400,000 I believe. This is much LESS than 20% of what they're used to. Trial By Fire sold over a million without a tour.

Using sales to determine how good an album may be is asinine. Album sales may equal popularity. Popularity doesn't necessarily equal good music. Some of my favorite all-time albums, including the one now in my sig, probably haven't even sold 100,000.

I was using album sales to show how much of Journey's base is gone. If Perry came back so would they.

[Saint John]

Last year they averaged around 8,000 people per show. I think the number was closer to 7,800. They used to average about 40,000 when they played outdoor places like JFK and Soldier Field just to name two. Obviously in the Winter that is not possible. 8,000 is 20% of 40,000. As far as album sales go...pffft...THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. Red 13 sold a couple thousand copies and Generations was a form of extortion. Arrival is at about 400,000 I believe. This is much LESS than 20% of what they're used to. Trial By Fire sold over a million without a tour.

They're an 80s band doing the shows for all the nostalgia crowd. They're not a Top 40 band anymore. None of the nostalgia bands are selling out the stadiums with 40k crowds anymore. TBF was a decade ago and in the last century.

If Perry came back and they did a major-city-only tour, they WOULD average 40,000. The Stones, Bon Jovi and U2 are 3 bands that draw HUGE crowds. A Perry-fronted Journey would be no different.

[conversationpc]

I was using album sales to show how much of Journey's base is gone. If Perry came back so would they.

I doubt it. A good percentage of the crowds at Journey concerts these days don't even know he's not in the band anymore. The only ones that do, for the most part, are the hard core fans, which don't make up enough of the CD-buying population to make much of a dent in sales, in my opinion.

[A Fire Inside]

All the poor Auggie fans are doing xtra jiggling in anticipation thinking their boyo is gonna return (& play more tapes 4 them???). Actually I feel sorry for them. I really do. They keep thinking their 5* ticket packages - of which they bought 5 & 6 - are gonna mean their boy will be up there soon. Shit seeing as they bought all these 5* packages & paid ALL that money you'd think the least the band can do is let them know. Oh w8 I got it. The band prolly thinks as soon as they see JSS shake it they'll transfer their jiggly adulation to him. Oooookkkk then. It's only a matter of time b4 they're all fantasizing about JSS don't u think? They gotta fantasize about someone.

This from the person whose location is "Perry's Bed in JourneyHeaven"?

Apparently it takes one to know one.

[Saint John]

I was using album sales to show how much of Journey's base is gone. If Perry came back so would they.

I doubt it. A good percentage of the crowds at Journey concerts these days don't even know he's not in the band anymore. The only ones that do, for the most part, are the hard core fans, which don't make up enough of the CD-buying population to make much of a dent in sales, in my opinion.

I keep hearing this stupid bullshit that no one knows Perry is not in the band anymore. What? Are you serious? Journey had an army of fans. VERY faithful and loyal fans. Just a few drunks at concerts think Perry is is still in the band. If they DID think he was still in the band you'd see MUCH better album sales. I think that argument might hold water for Arrival (which is probably why it DID sell 400,000 copies). But lately? C'mon, the people that used to fill arenas around the country KNOW he's been gone for quite some time. That argument is total bullshit...period.

[A Fire Inside]

I keep hearing this stupid bullshit that no one knows Perry is not in the band anymore.

Not "no one", but not "80%" either...

Journey had an army of fans. VERY faithful and loyal fans.

In the 1980s...

If they DID think he was still in the band you'd see MUCH better album sales.

I doubt it, because the casual fan doesn't even know Journey has RELEASED recent albums. They're there for nostalgia's sake because they were fans once and got laid to Open Arms. That's your "loyal army".

[NealIsGod]

If Perry came back and they did a major-city-only tour, they WOULD average 40,000. The Stones, Bon Jovi and U2 are 3 bands that draw HUGE crowds. A Perry-fronted Journey would be no different.

Absolutely ridiculous. Journey is not even close to that level, and Perry sure wouldn't put 'em there.

[Saint John]

If Perry came back and they did a major-city-only tour, they WOULD average 40,000. The Stones, Bon Jovi and U2 are 3 bands that draw HUGE crowds. A Perry-fronted Journey would be no different.

Absolutely ridiculous. Journey is not even close to that level, and Perry sure wouldn't put 'em there.

Def Leppard and Journey just played in front of 30,000 people here in Chicago. Add Perry, have DL as the opening act and you have your 40,000 people. Another great idea would be a double-bill of Journey Bon Jovi...alternate the closing act and you have at least 40,000 people.