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Postby Liz22562 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:47 am

Why is it so important to some of you that a singer write a song? Seems to me there are plenty of well known artists out there that haven't penned a tune - ever. Guess I'm not following why it is such an important issue to some.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:53 am

brywool wrote:
knox wrote:Anyone have an mp3 of a tall stories song? I have never heard anything from them.


Not on me. Send him Sister of Mercy. Great friggin' song.


i will-- knox where are u!!!???
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:55 am

Liz22562 wrote:Why is it so important to some of you that a singer write a song? Seems to me there are plenty of well known artists out there that haven't penned a tune - ever. Guess I'm not following why it is such an important issue to some.


for one, its a credibility issue,, its the difference between springsteen and manilow :D both have great songs, one writes, one doesnt(no reference to journey)
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Postby Jeremey fan forever » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:57 am

steveforever wrote:I'm not sure who you are quoting in those quotation marks... yourself? but you aren't a moderator and you don't need to put anything about homo's period=who ARE you calling a homo? someone that is excited about Augeri touring? I'm not fighting with you, simply stating that you don't need to add controversial messages to other people's posts just to bully. I love it when people that aren't even musicians come on this site and think they are experts on vocalists just because they bought the band's albums or went to a concert= that does not make you an authority.


A homo isn't someone who wants to hear Augeri singing, a homo is someone who want's to put his dick in your ass. Hope this helps :roll:
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:58 am

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Liz22562 wrote:Why is it so important to some of you that a singer write a song? Seems to me there are plenty of well known artists out there that haven't penned a tune - ever. Guess I'm not following why it is such an important issue to some.


for one, its a credibility issue,, its the difference between springsteen and manilow :D both have great songs, one writes, one doesnt(no reference to journey)


I thought Manilow "Wrote the Songs the Whole World Sings... Of Love and Special Things..."???
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:00 am

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LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Liz22562 wrote:Why is it so important to some of you that a singer write a song? Seems to me there are plenty of well known artists out there that haven't penned a tune - ever. Guess I'm not following why it is such an important issue to some.


for one, its a credibility issue,, its the difference between springsteen and manilow :D both have great songs, one writes, one doesnt(no reference to journey)


I thought Manilow "Wrote the Songs the Whole World Sings... Of Love and Special Things..."???


hahaha ,, unfortunatley he didnt write that one,,,, :lol:
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Postby Jeremey fan forever » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:04 am

A Fire Inside wrote:Can everyone just put away the shitty emoticons and mid-90s GIFs? If I wanted to see Smiley Central I'd go to The Cooler.


:shock:


BTW, did you know that "a fire inside" could be an indication of VD? :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:07 am

rap_still_sucks wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:Can everyone just put away the shitty emoticons and mid-90s GIFs? If I wanted to see Smiley Central I'd go to The Cooler.


:shock:


BTW, did you know that "a fire inside" could be an indication of VD? :lol:


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It's a lot easier to convey context and emotion with emoticons than just plain text. They're kinda fun to use, in my opinion as long as it's not overdone.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:10 am

i always heard thats what johnny cash's "ring of fire" was about,, " i stepped into a burning ring of fire............"
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Postby A Fire Inside » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:14 am

rap_still_sucks wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:Can everyone just put away the shitty emoticons and mid-90s GIFs? If I wanted to see Smiley Central I'd go to The Cooler.

:shock:
BTW, did you know that "a fire inside" could be an indication of VD? :lol:

Clever. What does that have to do with anything?
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:15 am

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:i always heard thats what johnny cash's "ring of fire" was about,, " i stepped into a burning ring of fire............"


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How about AC/DC's "The Jack"...Now there's one that really is about VD.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:16 am

A Fire Inside wrote:
rap_still_sucks wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:Can everyone just put away the shitty emoticons and mid-90s GIFs? If I wanted to see Smiley Central I'd go to The Cooler.

:shock:
BTW, did you know that "a fire inside" could be an indication of VD? :lol:

Clever. What does that have to do with anything?


I think someone needs a sense of humor today. 8)
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Postby A Fire Inside » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:22 am

I can laugh, just not at stupid shit about my screen name.

Now THIS I can laugh at... :lol:
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Postby Liz22562 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:43 am

Larry, your comment makes no sense. Just because a singer doesn't write a song they have no credibility? Maybe someone should send a note to Celine.
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Postby ArnelRox » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:51 am

brywool wrote:
knox wrote:Anyone have an mp3 of a tall stories song? I have never heard anything from them.


Not on me. Send him Sister of Mercy. Great friggin' song.


That is a gr8 song. Actually I never would have gone to see Journey w/Augeri but this girl @ work brought me that CD. I liked that song a whole lot & Wild On The Run. I have the CD if I can figure out how to make an MP3 of it. Hmm.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:53 am

A Fire Inside wrote:I can laugh, just not at stupid shit about my screen name.

Now THIS I can laugh at... :lol:


fire that was pretty funny!!
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:56 am

Liz22562 wrote:Larry, your comment makes no sense. Just because a singer doesn't write a song they have no credibility? Maybe someone should send a note to Celine.


good point, but its just always been the case , maybe with men fans of whatever band, whos playing on the album, who wrote the songs, producer, artwork, label , publishing rights,, bmi and ascap numbers :D
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Postby Liz22562 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:17 am

Ok, it's that testosterone thingy again. 8)
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Postby johnroxx » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:20 am

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Liz22562 wrote:Why is it so important to some of you that a singer write a song? Seems to me there are plenty of well known artists out there that haven't penned a tune - ever. Guess I'm not following why it is such an important issue to some.


for one, its a credibility issue,, its the difference between springsteen and manilow :D both have great songs, one writes, one doesnt(no reference to journey)


No, both write. Granted, to different degrees, and Manilow tends to co-write, but both are writers.

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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:20 am

Liz22562 wrote:Ok, it's that testosterone thingy again. 8)

:D :lol:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:57 am

brywool wrote:I know he wrote Believe and Butterfly on his own. You may not like them, but they're better than "Just the Rain", "TBF", "BackTalk", "Tuesday Heartache", or "Positive Touch". Songs are subjective. What you don't like, I may like, etc.


"Tuesday Heartache" isn't a Journey song, it's off Perry's second solo album.
And I'd take any of those aforementioned tunes before I'd put myself thru the agonizing sonic torture that is "Believe".

I haven't heard the Shine album yet. I heard it wasn't great... Not sure if that's from Augeri or not.


It is.

brywool wrote:If JSS brings anything, I hope it's not what he brought to SS. Hated it. Played it twice. It's a coaster now.


Too bad, I guess you don't care for much of Neal's work then.


As for the lipping thing, we'll have to agree to disagree.


There's nothing to disagree on.
Other muscians in the industrry we're talking about this on the Noticeboard months before Deano even decided to break it.

brywool wrote:Wait: "Live and Breath", "To Be Alive Again", "We Will Meet Again", "Nothin' Comes Close"- these all have his stamp and they're great songs.


His distinctive stamp?
Yah, right.
There's a reason why his name comes at the end of the writing credits, deary.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:59 am

Liz22562 wrote:Why is it so important to some of you that a singer write a song? Seems to me there are plenty of well known artists out there that haven't penned a tune - ever.


It's a matter of artistic integrity.
Journey is better than that.
Maybe they should leap atop of the cover album bandwagon and join Styx on the corndog circuit!
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:01 am

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brywool wrote:I haven't heard the Shine album yet. I heard it wasn't great... Not sure if that's from Augeri or not.


It is.


I love "Shine". "Rawthigh", "Let it Go", "Long Cold Winter", and "Radio Mary" are all great rock tunes.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:03 am

conversationpc wrote:I love "Shine". "Rawthigh", "Let it Go", "Long Cold Winter", and "Radio Mary" are all great rock tunes.


Me too.
"Tall Stories" is better, but "Shine" is nowhere near the disaster some Tyketto fans like to paint it as.
Both are very solid albums.
After his piddling contributions in Journey, I have to wonder just how responsible Augeri was for the catchy songs on them.
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Postby brywool » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:11 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:"Tuesday Heartache" isn't a Journey song, it's off Perry's second solo album.
And I'd take any of those aforementioned tunes before I'd put myself thru the agonizing sonic torture that is "Believe".


TH is listed so someone can't say "Oh it was because Perry wasn't there". I KNOW it's not a Journey song. The POINT was, there are bad songs everywhere and what you might think a bad song, I may not. I like Believe. I have no problem with it.


The_Noble_Cause wrote:Too bad, I guess you don't care for much of Neal's work then.


Wrong.
Not SS. I thought it was terrible and boring. It was like the HSAS album. There was nothing memorable there. I like Late Night/Schon & Hammer/Bad English/Hardline/Beyond the Thunder (as makeout music) but on SS, I thought it lacked serious hooks. There was nothing memorable on it. Just sounded like guitar wanking and over sung stuff from JSS. The other albums featuring Neal all had more feel to them.

Regarding lipping...

I saw ONE post on Google from a European crew member (search Journey Weirdness), which got my attention more than anything I read here or on Deano's blog, because I know live sound and technically, it made sense. The blog just had too much other stuff in it to hold my attention.

Regarding Augeri and where he appears on the song credits, who cares? Neal didn't appear in ANY song credits on ROR (if you look at the Journey site, although I thought he did). On TBF Neals name is at the end of the credits. It means nothing. You're just kind of bent on negating Augeri's contribution to anything. I'm not saying the guy's the greatest or anything. I'm just saying, he actually did bring stuff to the party. From the 3 concerts I've heard of JSS, he does not. TIME WILL TELL. I'd rather hear a Journey JSS album before passing my final judgement. But I'm not going to say the guy is shit (cuz he ain't) it's just doesn't sound like "Journey" to me.

We won't agree.
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:21 am

brywool wrote:Not SS. I thought it was terrible and boring. It was like the HSAS album. There was nothing memorable there.


Now I KNOW you are certifiably out of your freakin' mind!
HSAS is a CLASSIC... I thought I heard it all.

You really need some help.


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Postby conversationpc » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:22 am

brywool wrote:I saw ONE post on Google from a European crew member (search Journey Weirdness), which got my attention more than anything I read here or on Deano's blog, because I know live sound and technically, it made sense. The blog just had too much other stuff in it to hold my attention.


Yeah, that was Svante Pettersson. He posted the same thing here, along with some other stuff.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:25 am

brywool wrote: It was like the HSAS album.


Also one of Neal's finest hours.

brywool wrote: I saw ONE post on Google from a European crew member (search Journey Weirdness), which got my attention more than anything I read here or on Deano's blog, because I know live sound and technically, it made sense. The blog just had too much other stuff in it to hold my attention.


I'm not referring to Svante the sound tech guy. I'm talking about a notable musician on the Noticeboard forum of this very site. He was shouting from the hilltops about what Augeri was doing long before Deano broke it.

brywool wrote:Neal didn't appear in ANY song credits on ROR (if you look at the Journey site, although I thought he did).


I was told a long time ago that Neal's guitar parts where concocted by someone else, and that Neal got undeserved credit- a frequent industry practice.
Normally I wouldn't lend such a theory any credibility, but Neal is on record saying he wasn't even in the room when the album was being made.
Makes you wonder.....

brywool wrote: On TBF Neals name is at the end of the credits. It means nothing.


How do you figure?
I think Neal's hallmarks are all over TBF. As gasbag Monker commonly says, "it sounds like Beyond the Thunder only with vocals!"

brywool wrote: You're just kind of bent on negating Augeri's contribution to anything.


Bullshit. I give credit where credit is due. "Tall Stories" is a stellar work and Augeri deserves to be lauded for it.
As for his contributions in Journey, well, they don't amount to a hill of beans, sadly.

brywool wrote: I'm not saying the guy's the greatest or anything. I'm just saying, he actually did bring stuff to the party. From the 3 concerts I've heard of JSS, he does not.


I thought we were talking about writing credits here, not concert boots.
If you want to pit JSS's credits up against Augeri's, I assure you JSS is the clearcut victor.

Regarding Augeri and where he appears on the song credits, who cares?


I do. It means alot. A frontman who doesn't actively contribute in the creative process is merely an empty cipher.
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