Ugly Betty

[Liam]

I gots an idea....Make a rock album...if you buy it...the cd has a code on it to access the "Special d/l section" of the Official site with 2 extra "Album" tracks. Make one Latin and another Rock.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

With JSS they might be able to do something like this. It could be a "one-off" CD. They could do it before officially announcing JSS in the band so they easily excuse the disc if it is ripped to shreds. But there is a HUGE community for this music, Neal is adept at it, there is Journey history with it.....why not.

WHOA!!! Did I just read what I thought I read?

That's it - a "one-off" effort. If you look at the entire JOURNEY catalog EVERY album has been a "one-off" effort. Sure - it's all been a particular brand of RnR but each album stands alone as unique and different from every other album.

I LIKE how you think!

A HUGE community is absolutely spot on. SP was brought in to attract and embrace the larger vocal-oriented, radio/pop audience which pissed off their established fans. Each album thereafter has been produced around certain themes. ROR is perhaps the most gleaming example of this.

Why not add a Latin rhythm-flavored JOURNEY album to the already diverse catalog?

That's what I LOVE about JOURNEY - diversity. Leave the same ol' same ol' to AC/DC and the like who essentially record the same album over and over again. (Despite that I'm an AC/DC fan!)

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I think that people forget that JSS is Puerto Rican! It's not a tremendous leap to do a Latin album for him; it perhaps is more difficult to do a rock album.

Think about it; and he does rock admirably.

Forget - I actually had no idea in the first place! Interesting!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

How does this relate to JOURNEY? It's another indication that the media landscape is growing and embracing the Latin community and it's art and culture. This is what was on the horizon a few years ago when I began the Dream JOURNEY Project. I still believe that a Latin rhythm effort by JOURNEY could connect with the Latino community and introduce them to a large, new audience. It could ultimately be a special and endearing addition to their catalog.

And you know what's arguably even more popular than latin music?
Hip Hop.
So who's all in favor of Neal and the boys doing a gangsta rap album instead?

I admire your passion, but really, Journey should just do whatever arises organically from the creative process.
"La Raza del Sol" has a spanish flair to it, but that said, I still don't think they should feel pigeonholed to create any certain type of sound. A song or two with a discernible latin influence (ala La Raza) is fine by me.

It's not so much about popularity. It's that AND that it's also in the history of JOURNEy as well as Neal's roots. His solo works include this stuff, too. Beyond The Thunder has some pretty cool tracks.

I seriously doubt that anyone would be in favor of JOURNEY doing gangsta rap considering that it's nowhere in their roots.

[*Laura]

Funny...Sometime ago,I thought I would really like to hear "Send Her My Love" re-arranged to a bossa-nova rythym...Seriously.
Maybe it's because of my Latin herritage.I love the sound of Latin music.

Anyway,it kept playing in my head,so I asked a musician if it was possible (technically) to turn SHML into a bossa-nova without losing its original 'feeling' and he said yes.

Steve Perry would sound great on a Latin SHML version with his raspy voice...Oh,yes!

[*Laura]

As for a Journey album with a Latin touch...I don't know.Ask JSS.

[Big J]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Funny...Sometime ago,I thought I would really like to hear "Send Her My Love" re-arranged to a bossa-nova rythym...Seriously.
Maybe it's because of my Latin herritage.I love the sound of Latin music.

Anyway,it kept playing in my head,so I asked a musician if it was possible (technically) to turn SHML into a bossa-nova without losing its original 'feeling' and he said yes.

Steve Perry would sound great on a Latin SHML version with his raspy voice...Oh,yes!

That's a super idea!

What is your heritage?

[*Laura]

Funny...Sometime ago,I thought I would really like to hear "Send Her My Love" re-arranged to a bossa-nova rythym...Seriously.
Maybe it's because of my Latin herritage.I love the sound of Latin music.

Anyway,it kept playing in my head,so I asked a musician if it was possible (technically) to turn SHML into a bossa-nova without losing its original 'feeling' and he said yes.

Steve Perry would sound great on a Latin SHML version with his raspy voice...Oh,yes!

That's a super idea!

What is your heritage?

Thanks,Fyre.I like the idea too...

Spanish heritage,in my Mom's family tree...Long story.

[Crazie Scarab]

Heck yeah I'd buy it! I bet it would do very well, too!

[Big J]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

[Matthew]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

[junky]

Although....and I realize I'm thinking about this way too much but a few weeks ago Jss himself said that he was Puerto Rican. His words. But then again I could be wrong. I've been wrong before.

Accept my apology Marabelle. My post seemed rude. I was merely trying to point out that by nationality (nation of origin) he is American. If you're born here, raised here and prosper here, you're most certainly American and should be damn proud of it. Again, sorry my post seemed condescending...it wasn't meant to.

You do know that Puerto Rico is part of the USA, don't you
In NYC, we call a Puerto Rican that was born here a NuYorican.

As for a latin rhythm flavoured Journey album, if the guys decided to do it, I'd buy it.

Could be interesting. Rock with a latin rhythm.

[Saint John]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

They lost their most commercially recognizable member.....Steve Perry. And that is NOT their fault. Really, it's no one's. If he came back, ready and willing to work, they'd be right next to Bon Jovi in terms of popularity.

[Matthew]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

They lost their most commercially recognizable member.....Steve Perry. And that is NOT there fault. Really, it's no one's. If he came back, ready and willing to work, they'd be right next to BonJovi in terms of popularity.

They did fire the guy....rightly or wrongly....they made a decision and acted on it...and therefore must take the responsibility for the consequences, don't you think?

[Saint John]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

They lost their most commercially recognizable member.....Steve Perry. And that is NOT there fault. Really, it's no one's. If he came back, ready and willing to work, they'd be right next to BonJovi in terms of popularity.

They did fire the guy....

Steve Perry was not fired. Both sides agreed MUTUALLY to let the Journey name continue. As part of Steve Perry legally agreeing to forfeit his rights as a member he still takes in a portion of all concerts under the name Journey. Herbie Herbert said this and NO ONE has refuted it. Neal and Jon dance around the subject, making it likely that it is true. And by dancing around the subject it also seems logical that the gag order Perry had put in place also exists (no one can say anything bad about the other). Herbie is the only one who didn't sign it and he's made that VERY clear. As of 1998, Steve Perry is no longer a legal member of Journey. But as Herbie said, "he's got his ho's (Journey) out on the street." Asshole, genius or both? You decide!!

[Matthew]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

They lost their most commercially recognizable member.....Steve Perry. And that is NOT there fault. Really, it's no one's. If he came back, ready and willing to work, they'd be right next to BonJovi in terms of popularity.

They did fire the guy....

Steve Perry was not fired. Both sides agreed MUTUALLY to let the Journey name continue. As part of Steve Perry legally agreeing to forfeit his rights as a member he still takes in a portion of all concerts under the name Journey. Herbie Herbert said this and NO ONE has refuted it. Neal and Jon dance around the subject, making it likely that it is true. And by dancing around the subject it also seems logical that the gag order Perry had put in place also exists (no one can say anything bad about the other). Herbie is the only one who didn't sign it and he's made that VERY clear. As of 1998, Steve Perry is no longer a legal member of Journey. But as Herbie said, "he's got his ho's (Journey) out on the street." Asshole, genius or both? You decide!!

Genius.

[Saint John]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

They lost their most commercially recognizable member.....Steve Perry. And that is NOT there fault. Really, it's no one's. If he came back, ready and willing to work, they'd be right next to BonJovi in terms of popularity.

They did fire the guy....

Steve Perry was not fired. Both sides agreed MUTUALLY to let the Journey name continue. As part of Steve Perry legally agreeing to forfeit his rights as a member he still takes in a portion of all concerts under the name Journey. Herbie Herbert said this and NO ONE has refuted it. Neal and Jon dance around the subject, making it likely that it is true. And by dancing around the subject it also seems logical that the gag order Perry had put in place also exists (no one can say anything bad about the other). Herbie is the only one who didn't sign it and he's made that VERY clear. As of 1998, Steve Perry is no longer a legal member of Journey. But as Herbie said, "he's got his ho's (Journey) out on the street." Asshole, genius or both? You decide!!

Genius.

I'd like to put it in educational terms. He majored in "genius" and minored in "asshole."

[Marabelle]

Don't worry about it Saint John; I'm quite a self involved person and the condensending tone didn't resonate; but patronize me and that would be an entirely different story.

[Distant Voice]

Journey needs to keep the classics alive, treading over to spanish territory would CONFUSE US ALL.

[Crazie Scarab]

Journey needs to keep the classics alive, treading over to spanish territory would CONFUSE US ALL.

Well, maybe some of us, anyway.

BTW.. it ain't "spanish territory." It's a "latin rhythm" idea. Neal did play with Santana. So it's in his roots. It's totally doable! See, it's not even change. It's just going back to the roots.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Funny...Sometime ago,I thought I would really like to hear "Send Her My Love" re-arranged to a bossa-nova rythym...Seriously.
Maybe it's because of my Latin herritage.I love the sound of Latin music.

Anyway,it kept playing in my head,so I asked a musician if it was possible (technically) to turn SHML into a bossa-nova without losing its original 'feeling' and he said yes.

Steve Perry would sound great on a Latin SHML version with his raspy voice...Oh,yes!

That's a super idea!

What is your heritage?

Thanks,Fyre.I like the idea too...

Spanish heritage,in my Mom's family tree...Long story.

In Colombia my wife never heard of JOURNEY until I sent her a tape cassette compilation of my favorite JOURNEY songs. At the time we were in a LONG distance relationship and she wanted to hear the music I liked. She didn't understand any English but was immediately impressed with the tape and quickly became a JOURNEY fan.

When I got home yesterday our 5 and 3 year-old were dancing around with whatever they could find to use as guitars. The JOURNEY GH DVD was playing and they were jamming away. SHML came on as I walked in the door and I thought I was in the Twilight Zone! I listened more carefully and began hearing a bossa nova flavor underlying that song! I can hear these things in JOURNEY's music and I think they must be something from the subliminal side of Neal's mind! I never heard the bossa nova thing in SHML before - thanks for bringing it up! It brings a whole new dynamic to the song.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Journey needs to keep the classics alive, treading over to spanish territory would CONFUSE US ALL.

Well, maybe some of us, anyway.

BTW.. it ain't "spanish territory." It's a "latin rhythm" idea. Neal did play with Santana. So it's in his roots. It's totally doable! See, it's not even change. It's just going back to the roots.

Going back - to the beginning. Being reborn. Perhaps tha main theme that runs through JOURNEY's work. Very fitting!

[Matthew]

Journey needs to keep the classics alive, treading over to spanish territory would CONFUSE US ALL.

Well, maybe some of us, anyway.

BTW.. it ain't "spanish territory." It's a "latin rhythm" idea. Neal did play with Santana. So it's in his roots. It's totally doable! See, it's not even change. It's just going back to the roots.

Going back - to the beginning. Being reborn. Perhaps tha main theme that runs through JOURNEY's work. Very fitting!

Why don't you get a DJ/sound engineer to remix Journey tracks for a Latin audience? I'm not sure what the legal implications are but hardly anyone bothers to sue the producers of bootleg club mixes - and at least it'll go someway toward realising your dream. Just a thought....

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Journey needs to keep the classics alive, treading over to spanish territory would CONFUSE US ALL.

Well, maybe some of us, anyway.

BTW.. it ain't "spanish territory." It's a "latin rhythm" idea. Neal did play with Santana. So it's in his roots. It's totally doable! See, it's not even change. It's just going back to the roots.

Going back - to the beginning. Being reborn. Perhaps tha main theme that runs through JOURNEY's work. Very fitting!

Why don't you get a DJ/sound engineer to remix Journey tracks for a Latin audience? I'm not sure what the legal implications are but hardly anyone bothers to sue the producers of bootleg club mixes - and at least it'll go someway toward realising your dream. Just a thought....

That's a cool thought! I may pursue that for kicks however the Dream JOURNEY Project is about looking into the future. Remixing the songs of the past generally drives people nuts as it typically reduces a "classic" song to something of a parody of itself.

That's what bothers me about JOURNEY's never ending greatest hits tour. They can give a poetic name to each tour but ultimately, they're nothing but greatest hits tours. To a certain degree they've made themselves a parody of themselves. Phil Collen noted a concern about this potentially happening to Def Lep. I think it's something to be concerned about. As Steve Perry said regarding all the work prior to E5C4P3: "We'd taken that type of music as far as we could. At some time you have to make a change otherwise you'll dry up and blow away."

[jrnyman28]

Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

Send it to Hurban (Hispanic/Urban) stations without the Journey name. Send it everywhere without the Journey name...just to see what happens. It "could" catch on.

[Big J]

Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

Send it to Hurban (Hispanic/Urban) stations without the Journey name. Send it everywhere without the Journey name...just to see what happens. It "could" catch on.

Ah yes, the old Donny Osmond trick. Anyone else remember that, when he made that album around 88 or 89, Prisoner of Love, Soldier of Love, something like that, and sent it to radio without an artist name?

Worked for him.

Didn't work for Boston with Corporate America though.

I don't like the idea, personally. Journey needs to stand or fall on its own merits.

[Big J]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Of course they have. The vast majority don't have hits.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

Exceptions to the rule and established before the rule became vogue. So do the Stones, Rod Stewart, etc.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. I'd liken today's music scene to the 70's and disco.

Hey, everyone loved that song "Good Times." Who was the artist? You don't know do you? It was Chic. One of the bigger disco artists there was in the era, had a few other hits, but nobody would know that. The acts were all disposable. Same with today's rock. Your major record selling artists will have a lifespan, the Britney Spearses and Christina Aguileras and Justin Timberlakes and a few of the rap artists. But in the rock world, they're disposable. Interchangeable. Unless they were established years prior. Just like James Brown had a couple disco hits. Aerosmith will have a rock hit.

But twenty years from now nobody will know Five For Fighting from Weezer from Smashmouth from Nickelback.

And THAT is not Journey's fault. The industry only kept a few established acts. Bon Jovi, yes. Def Leppard, no. Aerosmith, yes. Journey, no.

[Matthew]

I admire your passion for it, but this is a terrible idea. No offense. Journey's last surviving draw as an artist is the die hard classic rock fan. Unless radio were gonna support it (which they won't, with the "Journey" label on it) - it doesn't stand a chance and would ultimately turn away more fans than it'd bring in.

The only "big idea" that might work that's left is a tour with Perry.

No offense taken. I'm a "retired" artist and I learned a long time ago that you can't please everyone.

If JOURNEY is in a desperate position with only one last surviving draw then that's scary.

It's not their fault they're in that position, it's the nature of the business today.

There are no long term musical acts of the new crop. Every rock band that's at the top of the game right now will be completely forgotten in 5 years...it's a disposable genre now. Matchbox 20 begat Creed who begat Nickleback who will give way to someone else in a year or so. Kinda sad. Anything older than two summers ago is gone.

Since the 1950s - since rock n roll began - the vast majority of bands have enjoyed a short shelf-life. It's always been the nature of the business.

Of course they have. The vast majority don't have hits.

Also - some old melodic rock bands continue to enjoy huge success - such as Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

Exceptions to the rule and established before the rule became vogue. So do the Stones, Rod Stewart, etc.

So I disagree that it's everyone else's fault. Journey are at least partly responsible for the decline.

I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. I'd liken today's music scene to the 70's and disco.

Hey, everyone loved that song "Good Times." Who was the artist? You don't know do you? It was Chic. One of the bigger disco artists there was in the era, had a few other hits, but nobody would know that. The acts were all disposable. Same with today's rock. Your major record selling artists will have a lifespan, the Britney Spearses and Christina Aguileras and Justin Timberlakes and a few of the rap artists. But in the rock world, they're disposable.

I'm sorry but anybody with even a rudimentary knowledge of pop music knows that "Good Times" was by Chic.

There are hundreds of examples of 'disposable' acts in the 60s and the 80s too. And as for today...I'd say that the highest turnover of artists is in the RnB, hip-hop and house/techno scenes - because this music is essentially club music and driven by 12" mixes rather than albums.

Rock music? Well, the Foo Fighters, Oasis, Coldplay, Radiohead and Keane are just some of the bands who have emerged in recent years who have longevity.

Or do you mean hard rock/AOR? Well, this genre peaked twenty years ago - so perhaps this type of music is just exhausted now?