Here's a thought on Augeri's situation

[FormerJrnyFan]

Thanks Knox. Gee-willickers, I wasn't even bashing Augeri in this thread and I get the 'Wigglers' jumping down my throat

"Wigglers" LMAO.

This is what drives me mad. The augeriheads bash everyone who dares suggest that it's impolite for the augeri camp not to say a word to fans. They jump down anyone's throat if they dare to suggest anything negative about him. At the same time they pour out prayers & love 100 times a day on BT. They unquestioningly adore him & defend him. Even when he's being rude & not true to his fans by coming out to say a simple thank u for ur prayers. Their undying devotion makes me wonder if they'd support him even if he raped children. It's ridiculous. I admit to being a perryloon. But I don't think everything the man did in his life is "perfect". I've criticized things he did. I was never an augerihead but I've said nice things about him. There's good & bad in everyone even ffs. Augeri can't be bothered to acknowledge his fans' undying devotion. That's rude. He doesn't have to comment on tapegate, provide his dr's report, etc. Just say TY. Oh I'm so wrong for asking for that tho. At least JSS posts & communicates w/us when he can. Fans like people who acknowledge their support. We buy the records. We buy the concert tickets. Is it really any wonder JSS is building such a strong fanbase?

Great post, JR! I used to be a wiggler, then I saw the light.

[knox]

Speculating and wondering out loud is one of my favorite things to read (and participate in) on MelodicRock, and I am glad Andrew allows us to do so.

It is TABOO at Back Talk, and that is fine. I respect their rules and don't post negativitiy there.

However, it is fun to banter back and forth here and speak openly what is on our minds.

I don't agree with everything, but who am I to judge what people think, one way or another.




LONG LIVE MELODIC ROCK DOT COM !!!!!!!!!

[RPM]

Well said Knox, here I can tell you want an ass you are, you can tell me I suck.
isnt it great?.........

[fred_journeyman]

This is what drives me mad. The augeriheads bash everyone who dares suggest that it's impolite for the augeri camp not to say a word to fans. They jump down anyone's throat if they dare to suggest anything negative about him. At the same time they pour out prayers & love 100 times a day on BT. They unquestioningly adore him & defend him...

Wow, if you take out Augerihead/Augeri and replace it with Perryhead/Perry, you have the same situation! Imagine that!

[FormerJrnyFan]

This is what drives me mad. The augeriheads bash everyone who dares suggest that it's impolite for the augeri camp not to say a word to fans. They jump down anyone's throat if they dare to suggest anything negative about him. At the same time they pour out prayers & love 100 times a day on BT. They unquestioningly adore him & defend him...

Wow, if you take out Augerihead/Augeri and replace it with Perryhead/Perry, you have the same situation! Imagine that!

That's not my quote, FYI

But I agree with it...

[Carlitto H@kk]

I am submitting for a copyright on the term

"WIGGLER"

or any other form of this word used on this forum. If you would like to use it in any further posts, I will accept $.25/per post via PayPal or you can just pay $10 up front for a full year's worth of unlimitted use. Thanks...

[fred_journeyman]

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[knox]

Well said Knox, here I can tell you want an ass you are, you can tell me I suck.
isnt it great?.........

Well said Cheers
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I better pay my year's dues right now, because "Wigglers" is the best term yet. Better than Perry Loons, Augeri Heads, better than anything out there.

Carlitto, you are going to be a wealthy man

[fred_journeyman]

I am submitting for a copyright on the term

"WIGGLER"

or any other form of this word used on this forum. If you would like to use it in any further posts, I will accept $.25/per post via PayPal or you can just pay $10 up front for a full year's worth of unlimitted use. Thanks...

I object! I refuse to pay $.25 per post. Okay, tell you what...I just won't use the word.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I am submitting for a copyright on the term

"WIGGLER"

or any other form of this word used on this forum. If you would like to use it in any further posts, I will accept $.25/per post via PayPal or you can just pay $10 up front for a full year's worth of unlimitted use. Thanks...

I object! I refuse to pay $.25 per post. Okay, tell you what...I just won't use the word.

Fred, I like you, enjoy your posts and don't recall you ever yelling at me...

screw it, everyone gets to use it for free for 1 year and we'll see how it goes

[FormerJrnyFan]

This is what drives me mad. The augeriheads bash everyone who dares suggest that it's impolite for the augeri camp not to say a word to fans. They jump down anyone's throat if they dare to suggest anything negative about him. At the same time they pour out prayers & love 100 times a day on BT. They unquestioningly adore him & defend him...

Wow, if you take out Augerihead/Augeri and replace it with Perryhead/Perry, you have the same situation! Imagine that!

That's not my quote... FYI

You see those three dots at the end of your quote, just before the close quote? That means that some of the quote has been left out, which is exactly why I did it that way, so that intelligent people would know that there was more to the quote than what I was quoting. Guess I assumed you were among those classified as intelligent...sorry.

How about you figure out how to quote the person you're responding to? Not that intelligent?

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, I like you, enjoy your posts and don't recall you ever yelling at me...screw it, everyone gets to use it for free for 1 year and we'll see how it goes

Hell, anyone who can stand next to JSS on stage is A-freakin' OK in my book! That must have been absolutely fantastic!

Thanks much for the use of the word. I'm wiggling all the way to the kitchen!

[Rockindeano]

First off, if you are a BT er, stop reading now, because you won't believe it anyway.

Augeri was "dead set" on continuing the use of tapes into this tour and for who knows how long. When the band decided to go "live" this year, he was the most upset. Gee, I wonder why that was?

He wasn't about to step down. There are those who wish he would have stepped down years ago, but he didn't. So it took getting caught red handed for him to "step down." Translated: He has nothing left to bring to the table, can't sing anylonger, thus ride the gravy train as long as possible. His singing days are done with Journey and probably done elsewhere as well. Who in the Hell is going to pay money to hear a guy who did what he did? Yeah, aside form the idiotic BT ers, no one.

The band is happy right now. There is a reason for that.

[Rockindeano]

Wow, if you take out Augerihead/Augeri and replace it with Perryhead/Perry, you have the same situation! Imagine that!

Well there is a major difference. At least with one of these two groups, one guy was actually a good singer, while the other is a tape.

[ArnelRox]

Great post, JR! I used to be a wiggler, then I saw the light.

Thanks lady! Dare I ask...what are u now?

[Rock'nCheyanna]

First off, if you are a BT er, stop reading now, because you won't believe it anyway.

Augeri was "dead set" on continuing the use of tapes into this tour and for who knows how long. When the band decided to go "live" this year, he was the most upset. Gee, I wonder why that was?

He wasn't about to step down. There are those who wish he would have stepped down years ago, but he didn't. So it took getting caught red handed for him to "step down." Translated: He has nothing left to bring to the table, can't sing anylonger, thus ride the gravy train as long as possible. His singing days are done with Journey and probably done elsewhere as well. Who in the Hell is going to pay money to hear a guy who did what he did? Yeah, aside form the idiotic BT ers, no one.

The band is happy right now. There is a reason for that.

no kidding....these people are so upset about Augeri stepping down because they are so gullable about the voice thing. The proof if sitting right in front of everyone and you augeri fans dont get it. Obviously the band is ok and still playing...they seem rather happy if i might say so.

plus what is wrong with Jeff ....hes singing LIVE....every show!

[ArnelRox]

Augeri was "dead set" on continuing the use of tapes into this tour and for who knows how long. When the band decided to go "live" this year, he was the most upset. Gee, I wonder why that was?

U know what Dean, I totally believe this. I think this completely explains why he is now silent. If u think about it logically, nothing else explains his complete silence & lack of even a simple TY, does it?

(oh yeah the wigglers say he has other things to do...shame on me.)

[fred_journeyman]

Wow, if you take out Augerihead/Augeri and replace it with Perryhead/Perry, you have the same situation! Imagine that!

Well there is a major difference. At least with one of these two groups, one guy was actually a good singer, while the other is a tape.

I was referring more to the WAY in which people jump to the defense of either one of these guys, Dean. I think you SHOULD know that from all the PMs we've exchanged in the past year.

Augeri at one time had a voice.

[fred_journeyman]

How about you figure out how to quote the person you're responding to? Not that intelligent?

Oh, I see your point. Somehow your name got mixed up in it when I went to quote the post. My bad. Okay, those written words were not from Journeygal.

I'd like to point out that I made a mistake and inadvertently listed Journeygal as the individual who said the words that I quoted, when in point of fact, it wasn't her. I will go back and correct it.

[fred_journeyman]

First off, if you are a BT er, stop reading now, because you won't believe it anyway.

Augeri was "dead set" on continuing the use of tapes into this tour and for who knows how long. When the band decided to go "live" this year, he was the most upset. Gee, I wonder why that was?

He wasn't about to step down. There are those who wish he would have stepped down years ago, but he didn't. So it took getting caught red handed for him to "step down." Translated: He has nothing left to bring to the table, can't sing anylonger, thus ride the gravy train as long as possible. His singing days are done with Journey and probably done elsewhere as well. Who in the Hell is going to pay money to hear a guy who did what he did? Yeah, aside form the idiotic BT ers, no one.

The band is happy right now. There is a reason for that.

Dean, I'm curious...did the band decide that "someone" should find out about all this and make it public?

[junky]

First off, if you are a BT er, stop reading now, because you won't believe it anyway.

Augeri was "dead set" on continuing the use of tapes into this tour and for who knows how long. When the band decided to go "live" this year, he was the most upset. Gee, I wonder why that was?

He wasn't about to step down. There are those who wish he would have stepped down years ago, but he didn't. So it took getting caught red handed for him to "step down." Translated: He has nothing left to bring to the table, can't sing anylonger, thus ride the gravy train as long as possible. His singing days are done with Journey and probably done elsewhere as well. Who in the Hell is going to pay money to hear a guy who did what he did? Yeah, aside form the idiotic BT ers, no one.

The band is happy right now. There is a reason for that.

If the band could make a decision to go live, then why couldn't the band make a decison to fire Augeri if he couldn't sing?
Why go through all the drama of tape gate? JSS surely could have jumped in earlier.

Anyway, after seeing JSS at Red Rocks, I'm sold and glad the band is happy.

[knox]

"Augeri was "dead set" on continuing the use of tapes into this tour and for who knows how long. When the band decided to go "live" this year, he was the most upset. Gee, I wonder why that was?


Makes sense to me as well as to why we haven't heard from him OR his wife.

[heardonthestreet]

No, dammit, it doesn't jell, Dean. He never had the power to insist on something like that. You can't take all the interviews from these past couple of years and shitcan them. What happened to......................

We are like family...........
We have respect for each other..........


If you think that you can make the band look good by saying that Augeri took control of that situation, it won't fly.

Half the people don't believe in tapegate anyway, so if you want to make the band out to be happy and innocent, just tell us all that you were just having a go at us all, that you were joking and just wanted to see how gullable everyone could be. We are used to your little drama's, even tho tapegate was the biggest yet.

I'll believe that before I'll believe that Augeri had all the control over a farce like the ALLEGED taping.

[knox]

I have no doubt they were using pre-recorded lead vocals.

[Rockindeano]

Dean, I'm curious...did the band decide that "someone" should find out about all this and make it public?

No. However, I can't tell you how many people emailed me and asked if I was brought on to do this....Simply, "no." But then again, maybe once they were caught dead, maybe they wanted for it to grow just big enough to cause a controversy, yet not quite big enough for major publications to pick up on it. I do believe they (whomever), did a manipulation job on Andrew and Myself.......Too complicated to explain, but I DO know the band is happy and have in fact moved on.

As far as getting caught on purpose, No way. If I would have brought this out 2 months earlier, perhaps they wouldn't have done the DL tour; but yet again, it would be interesting to see what SA would have done seeing this staring him in the eye and having time to say "no."

[Rockindeano]

If the band could make a decision to go live, then why couldn't the band make a decison to fire Augeri if he couldn't sing?
Why go through all the drama of tape gate? JSS surely could have jumped in earlier.

Anyway, after seeing JSS at Red Rocks, I'm sold and glad the band is happy.

Good questions....Maybe they wanted an "excuse" to move on. Also, if you haven't noticed, Azoff, Barouck et al, aren't the smartest guys on the block are they? They fumbled this more times than need be. They are idiots.

[Monker]

No, dammit, it doesn't jell, Dean. He never had the power to insist on something like that. You can't take all the interviews from these past couple of years and shitcan them. What happened to......................

We are like family...........
We have respect for each other..........


If you think that you can make the band look good by saying that Augeri took control of that situation, it won't fly.

Half the people don't believe in tapegate anyway, so if you want to make the band out to be happy and innocent, just tell us all that you were just having a go at us all, that you were joking and just wanted to see how gullable everyone could be. We are used to your little drama's, even tho tapegate was the biggest yet.

I'll believe that before I'll believe that Augeri had all the control over a farce like the ALLEGED taping.

I COMPLETELY agree with that. All of it.

*IF* it happened, it was a BAND decision. It was a BAND decision to continue it. It was a BAND decision when to stop it. It was a BAND decision on how to let Augeri go. It's the BAND where ALL of the blame should be put.

Augeri's "power" isn't like Perry's during ROR, where he was deciding album covers, producing albums, demanding changing in the bass and drums, and threatening to quit if he didn't get his way.

[Rockindeano]

I COMPLETELY agree with that. All of it.

*IF* it happened, it was a BAND decision. It was a BAND decision to continue it. It was a BAND decision when to stop it. It was a BAND decision on how to let Augeri go. It's the BAND where ALL of the blame should be put.

Augeri's "power" isn't like Perry's during ROR, where he was deciding album covers, producing albums, demanding changing in the bass and drums, and threatening to quit if he didn't get his way.

Ok Monker, for now, I agree with you on this...HOWEVER.............

How do you know Augeri wasn't asked to step down a few years back? And wouldn't.

Face it, he was the weakest link in the chain, by far. Fuck, he wasn't even Chain, he is dental floss for fucks sake.

[junky]

If the band could make a decision to go live, then why couldn't the band make a decison to fire Augeri if he couldn't sing?
Why go through all the drama of tape gate? JSS surely could have jumped in earlier.

Anyway, after seeing JSS at Red Rocks, I'm sold and glad the band is happy.

Good questions....Maybe they wanted an "excuse" to move on. Also, if you haven't noticed, Azoff, Barouck et al, aren't the smartest guys on the block are they? They fumbled this more times than need be. They are idiots.

Sure Azoff and co. don't exactly know what to do with a band like Journey, but they are managers, not owners.
The band hires management and are free to make their own decisions as far as who is in the band and who manages them.

[fred_journeyman]

No. However, I can't tell you how many people emailed me and asked if I was brought on to do this....Simply, "no." But then again, maybe once they were caught dead, maybe they wanted for it to grow just big enough to cause a controversy, yet not quite big enough for major publications to pick up on it. I do believe they (whomever), did a manipulation job on Andrew and Myself.......Too complicated to explain, but I DO know the band is happy and have in fact moved on.

But I thought you said that your interview/article was going to be appearing in Rolling Stone? Isn't that a major publication?

As far as getting caught on purpose, No way. If I would have brought this out 2 months earlier, perhaps they wouldn't have done the DL tour; but yet again, it would be interesting to see what SA would have done seeing this staring him in the eye and having time to say "no."

So, you think Journey was just content to ride this out until when? They could find a replacement for Augeri? I'm a bit confused by your answer, sorry. Could you elaborate?