Replacing Augeri Mid-Tour IS NOT COOL

[Abitaman]

Not a day goes by on this board that we dont discuss this topic it seems. We're all angry & upset. Although many say they're over it now the band has JSS it seems there is still some healing to be done. I know I'm still upset too.

Hey it took JSS being hired to calm the Perry heads down. Some complained for Augeri's full 8 years , so this will not go away over night:D -ERIC

[Carlitto H@kk]

Not a day goes by on this board that we dont discuss this topic it seems. We're all angry & upset. Although many say they're over it now the band has JSS it seems there is still some healing to be done. I know I'm still upset too.

Hey it took JSS being hired to calm the Perry heads down. Some complained for Augeri's full 8 years , so this will not go away over night:D -ERIC

It's not gonna go away until Moulder, Skully, Dr. House and Bones uncover the truth... and then we'll all argue about that as well!

That's why I love it here

[Abitaman]

Of course if u still don't believe he used tapes & u think he's coming back "someday soon" then u might want to get ur ears tested.

Just because Augeri have gone their "separate ways", doesn't mean his "wheel in the sky" has stopped turning. Augeri will be back "someday soon" either in Journey or Tall Stories or something else. And we will see "who's crying now", even "after the fall", Augeri may "escape" above all this trash talk and "back talk". But if he doesn't come back he has live a "life time of dreams" we all wish we could, and he did it "faithfully" and with class.
Maybe we all walk to close to the "edge of the blade" on this. So maybe we need to use the "opened door" and start "walking away from the edge"
As for my hearing, I'll get it checked, "can do", but "one more" thing before I go, Journey has "something to hide" but it not Augeri and tape gate. So if his "departure" is forever , maybe JSS will "stay awhile", but they need to do something quick, because, their "castles burning"-ERIC

[Badcotune]

I could retort in kind, but it'd be too easy.

That, or perhaps you are simply incapable of coming up with a retort of equal virtiolic caliber.
Face it. You're untalented.

The air is great up here, by the way.

Where? Inside Augeri's lower intestinal track?
That is where you ass-noshing zombified stooges like to reside most, isn't it?

I challenge you to stay on topic and make sound (no pun intended) points,

Go wash out your grizzeled old ass. I have been making articulate and cogent posts on here for years.

instead of attacking Augeri or anyone else on the boards.

I'll discuss whatever I damn well please.
If you choose to continue carrying water for a proven thief that is your perogative.

You slap some feces on a brush, and a few angry strokes later, pronouce it art. I paint with colors. It's a personal choice, but don't fool yourself -- people can smell the difference.

Now go wrack your brain for something as eloquent and witty O' Hostile Hamburgler... give yourself time, it'll come... deep breaths... and if it's up to par, I might even reply. Since it won't be, it's doubtful. Can't play Chess if you won't put away the checkers.

[sadie65]

The amount of arm chair quarterbacking here is rather amazing. Since it appears that few, if any, honestly know what conversations/agreements/deals went on within the band, I myself am loathe to decide how Mr. Augeri and company should have handled the situation.

Certainly fans have rights to their feelings. I just sincerely hope no one is put in a position similar to this one. It's rather easy to say how you would handle something...until you actually live through it.

Peace

[Abitaman]

Good to see you Sadie, should drop by more often-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

The amount of arm chair quarterbacking here is rather amazing.

What else can we do?

[sadie65]

The amount of arm chair quarterbacking here is rather amazing.

What else can we do?

Do you really want an answer to that one?

[jrnyman28]

The amount of arm chair quarterbacking here is rather amazing.

What else can we do?

Do you really want an answer to that one?

I meant about Journey!!

[sadie65]

The amount of arm chair quarterbacking here is rather amazing.

What else can we do?

Do you really want an answer to that one?

I meant about Journey!!

What makes you think I didn't ?

[ArnelRox]

Of course if u still don't believe he used tapes & u think he's coming back "someday soon" then u might want to get ur ears tested.

Just because Augeri have gone their "separate ways", doesn't mean his "wheel in the sky" has stopped turning. Augeri will be back "someday soon" either in Journey or Tall Stories or something else. And we will see "who's crying now", even "after the fall", Augeri may "escape" above all this trash talk and "back talk". But if he doesn't come back he has live a "life time of dreams" we all wish we could, and he did it "faithfully" and with class.
Maybe we all walk to close to the "edge of the blade" on this. So maybe we need to use the "opened door" and start "walking away from the edge"
As for my hearing, I'll get it checked, "can do", but "one more" thing before I go, Journey has "something to hide" but it not Augeri and tape gate. So if his "departure" is forever , maybe JSS will "stay awhile", but they need to do something quick, because, their "castles burning"-ERIC

Eric kudos for the clever post (even if I am not sure what the point was u were trying to make).

[Classic Rock]

Just because Augeri have gone their "separate ways", doesn't mean his "wheel in the sky" has stopped turning. Augeri will be back "someday soon" either in Journey or Tall Stories or something else. And we will see "who's crying now", even "after the fall", Augeri may "escape" above all this trash talk and "back talk". But if he doesn't come back he has live a "life time of dreams" we all wish we could, and he did it "faithfully" and with class.
Maybe we all walk to close to the "edge of the blade" on this. So maybe we need to use the "opened door" and start "walking away from the edge"
As for my hearing, I'll get it checked, "can do", but "one more" thing before I go, Journey has "something to hide" but it not Augeri and tape gate. So if his "departure" is forever , maybe JSS will "stay awhile", but they need to do something quick, because, their "castles burning"-ERIC

I have to say I think that is great writing, something like that I can appreciate being a good writer when I want to be. I love how you did that. I just want you to know that at least one person appreciates that.

As far as the issue at hand, I’m a new Journey fan so I can’t be mad or defensive like a lot of you here. I do believe tape-gate occurred, and I do blame everyone in the band for going along with it. I think, like many have stated already, Augeri should have walked away with his honor. I hope he can return to the music business and have some success. As for Journey, I’m a guitar player and a Neal Schon fan so I’ll check out anything Journey puts out. I’m sold on JSS fronting the band, saw them for the first time in Houston and was blown away.

[Matthew]

I still say there was no miming going on in Edinburgh.

But my words on the subject are: Journey is a joke.

I was there too (row J) and I think I heard a taped performance. Don't want to get into a debate about it, just to show how different people can view the same experience in totally different ways.

So was I....and Augeri seemed to be struggling on some of the classic songs...and absolutely fine on the two "Generations" tracks. But the only vocals which were obviously fake were the backing vocals. I wish there was a bootleg of that show. Manchester has been proved without a doubt, I reckon - but not Edinburgh as far as I'm aware.

[Abitaman]

Of course if u still don't believe he used tapes & u think he's coming back "someday soon" then u might want to get ur ears tested.

Just because Augeri have gone their "separate ways", doesn't mean his "wheel in the sky" has stopped turning. Augeri will be back "someday soon" either in Journey or Tall Stories or something else. And we will see "who's crying now", even "after the fall", Augeri may "escape" above all this trash talk and "back talk". But if he doesn't come back he has live a "life time of dreams" we all wish we could, and he did it "faithfully" and with class.
Maybe we all walk to close to the "edge of the blade" on this. So maybe we need to use the "opened door" and start "walking away from the edge"
As for my hearing, I'll get it checked, "can do", but "one more" thing before I go, Journey has "something to hide" but it not Augeri and tape gate. So if his "departure" is forever , maybe JSS will "stay awhile", but they need to do something quick, because, their "castles burning"-ERIC

Eric kudos for the clever post (even if I am not sure what the point was u were trying to make).

I think it was trying to say, everyone needs to back away, take a deep breath, and remember, it's only music, and all sides of the Journey teams are affected by what is going on , especially the fans.-ERIC

[Vladan]

JOURNEY

What a comlicated band, clouded in controversy, the media - there is always somthing. Well at the end of the day! its just music, and if you were in Neal's and Jon's posisition. You might just say "its our band, we don't see it exactly the way fans do, because its our job". If you are emotionally connected with the music, its all fine and well - but to me, the records are what matters, these guys have a huge list of albums and songs already.

[Rock'nCheyanna]

are you kidding me?? the guy wasnt even singing....would you rather go watch someone pretend to sing and entertain you while his voice is being projected over the mic?? why would this "not be cool"...Jeff sings every show 100% live!! is that not what rock concerts are supposed to be? i mean come on....

[Badcotune]

are you kidding me?? the guy wasnt even singing....would you rather go watch someone pretend to sing and entertain you while his voice is being projected over the mic?? why would this "not be cool"...

It's not cool for the reasons clearly outlined in the thread opener, should you decide to actually read it. I agree with you that concerts and vocal performances should all be live.

[ArnelRox]

are you kidding me?? the guy wasnt even singing....would you rather go watch someone pretend to sing and entertain you while his voice is being projected over the mic?? why would this "not be cool"...Jeff sings every show 100% live!! is that not what rock concerts are supposed to be? i mean come on....

Nice avatar! Do u look like ur mom?

[nolippin]

So you think that it would just be more "cool" for Journey to just cancel the tour instead of replacing the "ailing" Augeri??? I don't follow that logic. To have cancelled would have left DL in a bind because none of the venues would have hired either Journey or DL solo. It would have also disappointed many fans...Journey fans...who just wanted to see them in concert.

I think if the truth be known you are just upset that JSS is being so well received. You need to get over that.

are you kidding me?? the guy wasnt even singing....would you rather go watch someone pretend to sing and entertain you while his voice is being projected over the mic?? why would this "not be cool"...

It's not cool for the reasons clearly outlined in the thread opener, should you decide to actually read it. I agree with you that concerts and vocal performances should all be live.

[Rockindeano]

I don't think anyone would be naive enough to think he was an "equal" partner in the band.

Really? I guess I am naive then.

I truly don't believe Steve Augeri would con anybody unless he felt he had no choice.

Well, he did. If Tapegate would have surfaced perhaps 2 months earlier, I would have loved to see if Fraudgeri would have been in the Band when they went to Europe. Probably not.

[Clasicrockldy]

Not a day goes by on this board that we dont discuss this topic it seems. We're all angry & upset. Although many say they're over it now the band has JSS it seems there is still some healing to be done. I know I'm still upset too.

I am certainly not angry or upset with the whole thing. I don't say much about it because I wasn't invested in Augeri when he was in Journey. Journey ended for me in 86 because life happened, having a new baby, marriage (eek! I won't do that again!) etc. I didn't know that Perry even left, I was so far out of the loop when Journey was concerned.

I did give Augeri a try tho, when I received some burned cd's and a dvd of a concert from people, and for me, I just didn't get into Augeri. No slight on him, it was all me.

Tapegate I didn't get into for the same reason I stated above, I wasn't invested in Augeri.

Now Journey has my attention again. Soto is the reason why. I would like to see what happens after this tour.

However, the talk about how the situation with Auger was handled will continue on.

Now I will go back to my rocking chair and read the board.

Carry on..........

[Badcotune]

So you think that it would just be more "cool" for Journey to just cancel the tour instead of replacing the "ailing" Augeri??? I don't follow that logic.

I think if the truth be known you are just upset that JSS is being so well received. You need to get over that.

I don't have passionate feelings about JSS one way or the other.

Most bands with any class *would* stand behind an ailing band mate and not replace them MID-TOUR. That is what I take exception to. If the drummer for Def Lep lost his arm mid-tour, I'd lay odds they would not have stayed on tour anyway. They would have done exactly what they DID do -- demonstrated a little class, and waited for their bandmate to be ready for a proper return. If at that time said bandmate WASN'T ready for a proper return, and possibly wouldn't ever be, then no one could blame the band for carrying on at that point, and I'd have no issue with this.

Should Jon Cain be put out to pasture because he needs "vocal help" and sings to pre-recorded tracks for his live duets? He's just as guilty of what Augeri is being the fall guy for, but his reputation isn't tarnished, and he won't suffer the fallout from his own hypocrisy -- Augeri will.

[Rockindeano]

Of course if u still don't believe he used tapes & u think he's coming back "someday soon" then u might want to get ur ears tested.

Just because Augeri have gone their "separate ways", doesn't mean his "wheel in the sky" has stopped turning. Augeri will be back "someday soon" either in Journey or Tall Stories or something else. And we will see "who's crying now", even "after the fall", Augeri may "escape" above all this trash talk and "back talk". But if he doesn't come back he has live a "life time of dreams" we all wish we could, and he did it "faithfully" and with class.
Maybe we all walk to close to the "edge of the blade" on this. So maybe we need to use the "opened door" and start "walking away from the edge"
As for my hearing, I'll get it checked, "can do", but "one more" thing before I go, Journey has "something to hide" but it not Augeri and tape gate. So if his "departure" is forever , maybe JSS will "stay awhile", but they need to do something quick, because, their "castles burning"-ERIC

You're gay.

[Rockindeano]

are you kidding me?? the guy wasnt even singing....would you rather go watch someone pretend to sing and entertain you while his voice is being projected over the mic?? why would this "not be cool"...Jeff sings every show 100% live!! is that not what rock concerts are supposed to be? i mean come on....

Nice avatar! Do u look like ur mom?

Just a quick heads up, Mom passed away of cancer 10 years ago. But yeah, she does look her mom.

[Glenn]

are you kidding me?? the guy wasnt even singing....would you rather go watch someone pretend to sing and entertain you while his voice is being projected over the mic?? why would this "not be cool"...Jeff sings every show 100% live!! is that not what rock concerts are supposed to be? i mean come on....

Preach it!

[nolippin]

Cain is a keyboard player...not a singer. If he can't sing, no, his career won't be tarnished.

Whether or not you have passionate feelings about JSS, you seem to have very passionate feelings about Augeri, if you are going to let his being replaced keep you from going to the concerts as you have indicated.

You are assuming the "official" word to be true and that Augeri just has a throat infection. I don't. I think he is done with Journey and won't be back. The "official" word was just the PC thing to do. Jeff Scott Soto is the new lead singer for Journey, and that's just fine with me.

So you think that it would just be more "cool" for Journey to just cancel the tour instead of replacing the "ailing" Augeri??? I don't follow that logic.

I think if the truth be known you are just upset that JSS is being so well received. You need to get over that.

I don't have passionate feelings about JSS one way or the other.

Most bands with any class *would* stand behind an ailing band mate and not replace them MID-TOUR. That is what I take exception to. If the drummer for Def Lep lost his arm mid-tour, I'd lay odds they would not have stayed on tour anyway. They would have done exactly what they DID do -- demonstrated a little class, and waited for their bandmate to be ready for a proper return. If at that time said bandmate WASN'T ready for a proper return, and possibly wouldn't ever be, then no one could blame the band for carrying on at that point, and I'd have no issue with this.

Should Jon Cain be put out to pasture because he needs "vocal help" and sings to pre-recorded tracks for his live duets? He's just as guilty of what Augeri is being the fall guy for, but his reputation isn't tarnished, and he won't suffer the fallout from his own hypocrisy -- Augeri will.

[LadySlang9]

Replacing Augeri mid tour was the only option if the band wanted to stay on the road.

Why else would they want to stay on the road except MONEY!

Might I inject a thought here. Money is always a factor, that's a given. But, more than that, many artists continue to tour because they are addicted to the excitement ... the applause ... the adoration of fans ... they still feel a need to "be somebody." Bands are normally comprised of "attention whores." And, that's not a bad thing -- unless it leads you to become dishonest in your quest for attention.

So, yes, money is one of the reasons bands tour ... ego is the other and egos need to be fed.

This goes even for Def Leppard. Joe Elliott has said many times he has plenty of money, but he loves being on stage. And since I also love this band being on stage, I agree with their continued interest in touring.

I think perhaps the members of Journey tour for money ... but to fed the ego as well ... just like all the other bands out there.

So, if Steve A. was unable to continue this tour, the other members probably wanted this tour too much to give it up. They found a replacement (one I've enjoyed hearing btw).

Just my thoughts on the topic.

[Monker]

are you kidding me?? the guy wasnt even singing....would you rather go watch someone pretend to sing and entertain you while his voice is being projected over the mic?? why would this "not be cool"...Jeff sings every show 100% live!! is that not what rock concerts are supposed to be? i mean come on....

When Perry was replaced, they waited nearly two years just to discuss things with him. With Augeri, they seemed to already have it planned. That's acting like a bunch of pricks.

It's NOT a cool way for a band to act. It's NOT a cool way for someone new to be introducted. It's not a cool thing for supposed fans like you to support.

[Monker]

So you think that it would just be more "cool" for Journey to just cancel the tour instead of replacing the "ailing" Augeri???

It's much better then to follow the path they did.

To have cancelled would have left DL in a bind because none of the venues would have hired either Journey or DL solo.

So what, that's DL's problem. They could have contracted another band. There are dozens out there.

It would have also disappointed many fans...Journey fans...who just wanted to see them in concert.

So what, that's the fans problem....at least they would be doing the right thing.

[Vladan]

First of all im just as much a Journey fan than the next guy, im just not a "die hard".

It would seem, I also believe the band feels the same - Classics is what its about, and aslong as there is a capable vocalist there, it does not matter. Perry was the best singer this band has had PERIOD, the fans knows this and so do Journey. They are what they are today because the band they were.

Perry was replaced, he was a musical icon - still is. Journey today, are here playing the music. Who cares what they do (Perry isnt there!) so who cares who sings for them, it doesn't matter! (with exception of singers like Barry Manilow, Kenny Rogers, Leo Sayer, and Eddie Murphy).

Don't believe me? - I wonder who is out on the road as we speak...