Replacing Augeri Mid-Tour IS NOT COOL

[AR]

Right, it doesn't work that way. So, why would Neal and Jon put up with the use of tapes at all...for any length of time?? I think Neal wanted Augeri gone long ago. He could have fired him for not being able to perform, Augeri would have gotten some sort of settlement, Neal would have gotten the singer he wanted, and they wouldn't have had the scandal of Tapegate??

Easy answer. "Generations" had just came out and they wanted to promote it. Then the European tour came up - not the time to switch lead singers. They had built up to the fans that S.A. was a good replacement for Perry and most fans (especially the casual ones) had bought into it. ANOTHER replacement would have been devastating on these tours.

Coming back to the U.S. on a high profile tour, they must have known that Augeri had to deliver the goods or a change would have to be made. That is especially true with the allegations hanging over them. Give him a chance to deliver on the 1st few shows and if it didn't work out someone (JSS) was waiting in the wings. Black Sabbath did this very thing having Ray Gillen on deck when they found out early in a tour that Glen Hughes's voice wouldn't cut it.

[Monker]

Right, it doesn't work that way. So, why would Neal and Jon put up with the use of tapes at all...for any length of time?? I think Neal wanted Augeri gone long ago. He could have fired him for not being able to perform, Augeri would have gotten some sort of settlement, Neal would have gotten the singer he wanted, and they wouldn't have had the scandal of Tapegate??

Ask Deano, he's the one with the inside scoop.

Oh, right, I already did and he never responded.

And, that's the tough question...

In order to believe the ENTIRE 'scandal' you HAVE to believe the band went along with it. So, why did they? Why didn't they refuse to perform with Augeri? Why didn't they fire him? Those are questions for the BAND to answer, not anybody here.

[fred_journeyman]

Ask Deano, he's the one with the inside scoop. Oh, right, I already did and he never responded.

He's gone for three hours, but he'll be back...

[AR]

Why didn't they refuse to perform with Augeri? Why didn't they fire him?

Read my post above, I just answered that. A new album to promote and some potential lucrative shows in Europe - the first time they'd played there in years. You don't want to switch singers at that point.

Those are questions for the BAND to answer, not anybody here.

Agreed, but I doubt we'll ever get the entire story straight from the source.

[nolippin]

Well, I understand the need to promote "Generations", but Augeri didn't really sing much of that on the tour, did he?? Given JSS's popularity in Europe, it seems the European Tour would have been the perfect time to can Augeri and bring in JSS.

I think the Augeri diehards are actually small in number. Most just went along with Journey touring again just as they are now.

Right, it doesn't work that way. So, why would Neal and Jon put up with the use of tapes at all...for any length of time?? I think Neal wanted Augeri gone long ago. He could have fired him for not being able to perform, Augeri would have gotten some sort of settlement, Neal would have gotten the singer he wanted, and they wouldn't have had the scandal of Tapegate??

Easy answer. "Generations" had just came out and they wanted to promote it. Then the European tour came up - not the time to switch lead singers. They had built up to the fans that S.A. was a good replacement for Perry and most fans (especially the casual ones) had bought into it. ANOTHER replacement would have been devastating on these tours.

Coming back to the U.S. on a high profile tour, they must have known that Augeri had to deliver the goods or a change would have to be made. That is especially true with the allegations hanging over them. Give him a chance to deliver on the 1st few shows and if it didn't work out someone (JSS) was waiting in the wings. Black Sabbath did this very thing having Ray Gillen on deck when they found out early in a tour that Glen Hughes's voice wouldn't cut it.

[Monker]

Right, it doesn't work that way. So, why would Neal and Jon put up with the use of tapes at all...for any length of time?? I think Neal wanted Augeri gone long ago. He could have fired him for not being able to perform, Augeri would have gotten some sort of settlement, Neal would have gotten the singer he wanted, and they wouldn't have had the scandal of Tapegate??

Easy answer. "Generations" had just came out and they wanted to promote it. Then the European tour came up - not the time to switch lead singers. They had built up to the fans that S.A. was a good replacement for Perry and most fans (especially the casual ones) had bought into it. ANOTHER replacement would have been devastating on these tours.

Coming back to the U.S. on a high profile tour, they must have known that Augeri had to deliver the goods or a change would have to be made. That is especially true with the allegations hanging over them. Give him a chance to deliver on the 1st few shows and if it didn't work out someone (JSS) was waiting in the wings. Black Sabbath did this very thing having Ray Gillen on deck when they found out early in a tour that Glen Hughes's voice wouldn't cut it.

That's an easy out...

But, the allegation Dean is making is almost the ENTIRE anniversary tour was using taped vocals...So, if the band knew about it for an ENTIRE TOUR, why not make the change after that tour was over and not even take Augeri to Europe? THAT is the context of the question...According what Dean is saying, there was no 'test him out', they KNEW.

[AR]

That's an easy out...

And still the most logical answer.

Augeri was still singing primarily live into 2004. Those shows were not completely lipped. So on the anniversary tour he STARTED to fail. It wasn't complete until Generations. I don't think the band thought until opening night of that tour just how dire their situation had become with Augeri.

Paul Stanley sounded like shit for Kiss on the Rock the Nations tour a few years ago. His voice was awful. However, after 2 years of virtually no gigs, he sounded fantastic on the recent Kiss trip to Japan. It's very plausible that Neal & Jon though the SA thing was temporary.

[junky]

Ask Deano, he's the one with the inside scoop. Oh, right, I already did and he never responded.

He's gone for three hours, but he'll be back...

Andrew should change your status to "Deano's Personal Assistant" j/k

Arrivalrules explanation makes a lot of sense. I'll go with that.

[AR]

Well, I understand the need to promote "Generations", but Augeri didn't really sing much of that on the tour, did he?? Given JSS's popularity in Europe, it seems the European Tour would have been the perfect time to can Augeri and bring in JSS.

But what exactly is Jeff's popularity in Europe? Let's not overstate it. I do not think Talisman sells out Wembley Arena or anything. I'd bet the band and JRNY management figured (and quite correctly for the most part) that no one would notice over there.

I do agree though that a switch should have been made there. Just seems that anything to deter those paydays would have been a risk. They could have pulled the Kiss thing, when they kept advertising Peter Criss on all promotional material before the Euro tours, only to show up with Eric Carr on drums. Same thing occurred when Ace left the band and they did not promote Vinnie Vincent on any Creature of the Night Tour material. Perhaps, though, trying that tactic in 2006 with a visible lead singer was too much to risk?

It's all speculation of course, I'm just throwing out there an educated guess and what makes the most sense to me based on my knowledge of how things USUALLY work.

[froy]

Journey has become now what I always championed that they were not -- lame.

And STYX is in the same boat
They did the exact same thing to Dennis DeYoung
To me both JRNY and STYX sold out and they both stink.
Problem is there are followers all over the place who would go just to get buzzed and pretend its the same,

[nolippin]

Your educated guesses sound very plausable. I agree that the switch should have been made in Europe. I think it would have been less of a "jolt", and JSS would have been well received there.

Well, I understand the need to promote "Generations", but Augeri didn't really sing much of that on the tour, did he?? Given JSS's popularity in Europe, it seems the European Tour would have been the perfect time to can Augeri and bring in JSS.

But what exactly is Jeff's popularity in Europe? Let's not overstate it. I do not think Talisman sells out Wembley Arena or anything. I'd bet the band and JRNY management figured (and quite correctly for the most part) that no one would notice over there.

I do agree though that a switch should have been made there. Just seems that anything to deter those paydays would have been a risk. They could have pulled the Kiss thing, when they kept advertising Peter Criss on all promotional material before the Euro tours, only to show up with Eric Carr on drums. Same thing occurred when Ace left the band and they did not promote Vinnie Vincent on any Creature of the Night Tour material. Perhaps, though, trying that tactic in 2006 with a visible lead singer was too much to risk?

It's all speculation of course, I'm just throwing out there an educated guess and what makes the most sense to me based on my knowledge of how things USUALLY work.

[Badcotune]

You got trounced. Eat my ass.

Hardly. You're not even mediocre. You swim in the petulant end of a very shallow pool, splashing around and making a lot of noise, but it's just hostile drivel.

So you stay here on these internet boards and spew your bile, and hatred to people you don't know if that's what helps get you through the day sport. You're a dime a dozen, just another rat spreading the disease. You'll never be remarkable in any capacity. Truth hurts, but be sure to suck it up, something tells me you're well practiced:)

I'm gonna go have a life now. You tear this apart to your hearts content, and please do keep coming back -- like the rat you are -- looking for more cheese. But you won't get anymore from me. That would mean I cared.

Have fun, sport.

[ArnelRox]

Easy answer. "Generations" had just came out and they wanted to promote it. Then the European tour came up - not the time to switch lead singers. They had built up to the fans that S.A. was a good replacement for Perry and most fans (especially the casual ones) had bought into it. ANOTHER replacement would have been devastating on these tours.

Coming back to the U.S. on a high profile tour, they must have known that Augeri had to deliver the goods or a change would have to be made. That is especially true with the allegations hanging over them. Give him a chance to deliver on the 1st few shows and if it didn't work out someone (JSS) was waiting in the wings.

Ur assumptions make more sense than anything else I've heard so far. Well thought out, I must say. Also what u said after this that they might of thought it was only a temp thing with Augeri's voice. Then found out, it was more permanent or long term.

I guess the next burning question is if they really had JSS in the wings. Did he know he might be brought on? Did Augeri know the plan too? I don't know if we'll ever really know those answers.

[Rockindeano]

Making the move mid-tour SAVED the tour. Case closed. Why must these threads continue?

We all know Augeri was having issues at the beginning of the Generations tour. He admitted that himself. So the band says "Steve please step down. Let us hire someone else so we can go on." Augeri doesn't want to step down & threatens to make contractual problems if they try to go on w/out him. Maybe this conversation happened before the Generations tour. Maybe it has been discussed for almost 2 years. Augeri held his ground & went to tape.

I can promise you it did not go down that way.

Really? I can't.

[Rockindeano]

But, the allegation Dean is making is almost the ENTIRE anniversary tour was using taped vocals...So, if the band knew about it for an ENTIRE TOUR, why not make the change after that tour was over and not even take Augeri to Europe? THAT is the context of the question...According what Dean is saying, there was no 'test him out', they KNEW.

Monker, good question. I have the answer.

They started lippin the second week of the 30th anniversary tour. Anyone who went to the first 6-8 shows knows Augeri was flatout shit...couldn't carry a note, not a single note.

I didn't pickup on the tapes until about 2/3rds way through it. Believe me, I was shocked and pissed, and hurt, all at the same time. What to do? I had PM convos with certain unnamed people. I decided, this could and will no doubt be the talk of MR....I had thought about not saying anything, because they are a great band and it WAS their 30th anniversary tour, complete with the motorcycle, the 3 hour shows, etc. I can almost tolerate them going to tape if they had to, because of the tight spot they were in. Ok, fast forward to the European stops. I had told two people in particular, that if "they pull this shit again next tour, I am saying something." Sure as shit, they pulled it in Manchester. The other people and I laughed, because it was so obvious. Were these guys this stupid? Couldn't they change up the sound recorded boot? No, they couldn't. There wasn't a decent enough sound recorded boot to go off.....hence the Vegas Unlive vocal disc HAD to be used.

It was at this time, Tapegate was a full blown web hurricane. They saw it, Bt saw it, of course it grew. They were in a spot....was it a bad spot? On the surface, yes. However, this is a perfect way to oust a "singer" who cannot sing. So, they come over here to the States, and have to go live. As I said, Augeri was more pissed than anyone. I wonder why that is, Steve? If anyone should have been pissed, it was deen. That guy had to sing 3/4ths of the setlist and drum!

So to answer your question, I believe it was all timing. 'Gate came out too late to can Fraudgeri before the DL tour.

[Blueskies]

It was a smarter move IMO to bring in JSS mid-tour then at the start. Get the faithful buying ticket's along with the general public...then the switch....most who had tic's didn't ask for a refund..still went...still going....This move let's everyone get a taste of Jeff, and let's him grow on people. Publicity during the tour gain's him exposure. Hopefully garnering new fan's from the Lep crowd along the way, too! Prepare's people for what may be coming next!........If this WAS preplanned, then whoever came up with it is a genuis!!!!

[ArnelRox]

It was a smarter move IMO to bring in JSS mid-tour then at the start. Get the faithful buying ticket's along with the general public...then the switch....most who had tic's didn't ask for a refund..still went...still going....This move let's everyone get a taste of Jeff, and let's him grow on people. Publicity during the tour gain's him exposure. Hopefully garnering new fan's from the Lep crowd along the way, too! Prepare's people for what may be coming next!........If this WAS preplanned, then whoever came up with it is a genuis!!!!

TVL hooray...I was just wondering where u were. I missed u (especially the cute apostrophes-said w/love & kisses-dont get mad-I owe u another drink in the booze thread 4 that.)

U make great points here. They knew what kind of guy JSS is. How he would interact w/fans. They knew people would like him. They did it different this time didnt they? They didnt do a BTM special & say "Perry w/a perm" which pissed off Perryloons like me. They just eased him in knowing he'd ease himself into our hearts. Clever.

[Rockindeano]

That's an easy out...

And still the most logical answer.

Augeri was still singing primarily live into 2004. Those shows were not completely lipped. So on the anniversary tour he STARTED to fail. It wasn't complete until Generations. I don't think the band thought until opening night of that tour just how dire their situation had become with Augeri.

Stop right there.

Anyone remember the benefit concert they did in Oakland, CA, in February? it was a resheduled show from a few months earlier. I have that dvd. It is AWFUL. They knew well before Generations started that he couldn't do it. Okay, 3 hours, Deen sings 45 mins, Cain 20, Valory 5 (O shit), and Neal gets his 5....Fraud only had to sing his 2 hour shift....

If they are anything, they are stupid for not axing him prior to Generations tour. Then again, they were promoting Generations and he was the singer on it, so that is kind of tough.

[Blueskies]

It was a smarter move IMO to bring in JSS mid-tour then at the start. Get the faithful buying ticket's along with the general public...then the switch....most who had tic's didn't ask for a refund..still went...still going....This move let's everyone get a taste of Jeff, and let's him grow on people. Publicity during the tour gain's him exposure. Hopefully garnering new fan's from the Lep crowd along the way, too! Prepare's people for what may be coming next!........If this WAS preplanned, then whoever came up with it is a genuis!!!!

TVL hooray...I was just wondering where u were. I missed u (especially the cute apostrophes-said w/love & kisses-dont get mad-I owe u another drink in the booze thread 4 that.)

U make great points here. They knew what kind of guy JSS is. How he would interact w/fans. They knew people would like him. They did it different this time didnt they? They didnt do a BTM special & say "Perry w/a perm" which pissed off Perryloons like me. They just eased him in knowing he'd ease himself into our hearts. Clever.

Thank's girl!! I'll take you up on that drink tomorrow night, if your around!! I don't care if ya criticise my grammar..can't type...just peck! Oh, well, there's plenty of other thing's I do well!!hahaha!! See ya in the booze thread!!

[bionic]

That's an easy out...

And still the most logical answer.

Augeri was still singing primarily live into 2004. Those shows were not completely lipped. So on the anniversary tour he STARTED to fail. It wasn't complete until Generations. I don't think the band thought until opening night of that tour just how dire their situation had become with Augeri.

Stop right there.

Anyone remember the benefit concert they did in Oakland, CA, in February? it was a resheduled show from a few months earlier. I have that dvd. It is AWFUL. They knew well before Generations started that he couldn't do it. Okay, 3 hours, Deen sings 45 mins, Cain 20, Valory 5 (O shit), and Neal gets his 5....Fraud only had to sing his 2 hour shift....

If they are anything, they are stupid for not axing him prior to Generations tour. Then again, they were promoting Generations and he was the singer on it, so that is kind of tough.

I went to that,so that was live? So i may have heard Augeri live after all

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

[sadie65]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

As did you....back in December. In Waukegan, Illinois.

Admittedly not a great show, as we both said in reviews here.

But you were definitely of a different opinion then as to Mr. Augeri's abilities.

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

The band and its members, past, present, and presumably future are human, just as we all are. And they are going to do things that we as fans don't like because of that very fact. Unless of course, someone here wants to dispute their humanity as being fact...which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Peace

[Saint John]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

As did you....back in December. In Waukegan, Illinois.

Admittedly not a great show, as we both said in reviews here.

But you were definitely of a different opinion then as to Mr. Augeri's abilities.

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

The band and its members, past, present, and presumably future are human, just as we all are. And they are going to do things that we as fans don't like because of that very fact. Unless of course, someone here wants to dispute their humanity as being fact...which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Peace

I was at the Waukegan show. They were giving away free cake. It was the shitty venues anniversary or something. Then I bought a beer and they told me I couldn't bring it in. That place sucked (as does Waukegan).

[ArnelRox]

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

Right Sadie. U make a lot of good points here. We all get so emotional about Journey. I've seen fights break out in the place I work about Journey especially after they've been in town. 2 drunks at 2 a.m. fighting about Journey. All bcoz the band played a Journey tune.

We're not them. We don't own them. We don't manage them. But they sang the roadmap of our lives. Even they know that.

[sadie65]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

As did you....back in December. In Waukegan, Illinois.

Admittedly not a great show, as we both said in reviews here.

But you were definitely of a different opinion then as to Mr. Augeri's abilities.

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

The band and its members, past, present, and presumably future are human, just as we all are. And they are going to do things that we as fans don't like because of that very fact. Unless of course, someone here wants to dispute their humanity as being fact...which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Peace

I was at the Waukegan show. They were giving away free cake. It was the shitty venues anniversary or something. Then I bought a beer and they told me I couldn't bring it in. That place sucked (as does Waukegan).

Yep it was. And Dean had the same problem. Doesn't change what he said that night. Not my point.

[Saint John]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

As did you....back in December. In Waukegan, Illinois.

Admittedly not a great show, as we both said in reviews here.

But you were definitely of a different opinion then as to Mr. Augeri's abilities.

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

The band and its members, past, present, and presumably future are human, just as we all are. And they are going to do things that we as fans don't like because of that very fact. Unless of course, someone here wants to dispute their humanity as being fact...which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Peace

I was at the Waukegan show. They were giving away free cake. It was the shitty venues anniversary or something. Then I bought a beer and they told me I couldn't bring it in. That place sucked (as does Waukegan).

Yep it was. And Dean had the same problem. Doesn't change what he said that night. Not my point.

Deano was there?

[sadie65]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

As did you....back in December. In Waukegan, Illinois.

Admittedly not a great show, as we both said in reviews here.

But you were definitely of a different opinion then as to Mr. Augeri's abilities.

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

The band and its members, past, present, and presumably future are human, just as we all are. And they are going to do things that we as fans don't like because of that very fact. Unless of course, someone here wants to dispute their humanity as being fact...which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Peace

I was at the Waukegan show. They were giving away free cake. It was the shitty venues anniversary or something. Then I bought a beer and they told me I couldn't bring it in. That place sucked (as does Waukegan).

Yep it was. And Dean had the same problem. Doesn't change what he said that night. Not my point.

Deano was there?

Indeed. And believe me...I would know. Stood next to me for the majority of the concert.

[Saint John]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

As did you....back in December. In Waukegan, Illinois.

Admittedly not a great show, as we both said in reviews here.

But you were definitely of a different opinion then as to Mr. Augeri's abilities.

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

The band and its members, past, present, and presumably future are human, just as we all are. And they are going to do things that we as fans don't like because of that very fact. Unless of course, someone here wants to dispute their humanity as being fact...which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Peace

I was at the Waukegan show. They were giving away free cake. It was the shitty venues anniversary or something. Then I bought a beer and they told me I couldn't bring it in. That place sucked (as does Waukegan).

Yep it was. And Dean had the same problem. Doesn't change what he said that night. Not my point.

Deano was there?

Indeed. And believe me...I would know. Stood next to me for the majority of the concert.

WTF was he doing in Chicago (area)?

[sadie65]

Yeah, congratulations. He is horrible on the DVD.

It's like winning lotto. I saw Augeri Live! It doesn't happen too often.

As did you....back in December. In Waukegan, Illinois.

Admittedly not a great show, as we both said in reviews here.

But you were definitely of a different opinion then as to Mr. Augeri's abilities.

However his departure came about, one thing is certain. Fans of this band who frequent the internet will most likely not see eye to eye on it. Simply the way of the world. It appears a lot of the arguing here stems from what the individual values. For some here, it appears to be the idea of "fraud", others "poor treatment" of a bandmate who had seemingly treated everyone exceptionally well, some who remain neutral or unconvinced of any wrongdoings by the band, and some who feel that if their opinion is not accepted as pure fact then everyone else must be either stupid or deaf (in polite terms).

Bottom line is some sort of decision has been made. And while the majority here have accepted that decision, it's like anything else you have an emotional investment in that you don't have a say about. You find other avenues to make yourself heard...even a forum such as this. The sad part is all the mudslinging that comes with it.

The band and its members, past, present, and presumably future are human, just as we all are. And they are going to do things that we as fans don't like because of that very fact. Unless of course, someone here wants to dispute their humanity as being fact...which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Peace

I was at the Waukegan show. They were giving away free cake. It was the shitty venues anniversary or something. Then I bought a beer and they told me I couldn't bring it in. That place sucked (as does Waukegan).

Yep it was. And Dean had the same problem. Doesn't change what he said that night. Not my point.

Deano was there?

Indeed. And believe me...I would know. Stood next to me for the majority of the concert.

WTF was he doing in Chicago (area)?

Perhaps a question you should ask him. I will only say it was a colorful weekend that many here heard/read the details of.

[ArnelRox]

Perhaps a question you should ask him. I will only say it was a colorful weekend that many here heard/read the details of.

U & Deano had a wild torrid affair? OMG only on MR.