Here's a thought on Augeri's situation

[fred_journeyman]

...How do you know Augeri wasn't asked to step down a few years back? And wouldn't.

Okay, now this is confusing. If Augeri was "fired," yet refused to go, that doesn't make sense. If they had reason to fire him, he could be fired. How do you say, "No, I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying put"?

[fred_journeyman]

If you think that you can make the band look good by saying that Augeri took control of that situation, it won't fly.

It would mean that Augeri had quite a bit of power in the band and I simply cannot believe that. He was a full partner in Journey?

[nolippin]

Dean, if Augeri had no power and Neal wanted him gone, why would they bother asking him to step down? They could have just fired his ass before the tour and gotten someone who could actually sing??

I COMPLETELY agree with that. All of it.

*IF* it happened, it was a BAND decision. It was a BAND decision to continue it. It was a BAND decision when to stop it. It was a BAND decision on how to let Augeri go. It's the BAND where ALL of the blame should be put.

Augeri's "power" isn't like Perry's during ROR, where he was deciding album covers, producing albums, demanding changing in the bass and drums, and threatening to quit if he didn't get his way.

Ok Monker, for now, I agree with you on this...HOWEVER.............

How do you know Augeri wasn't asked to step down a few years back? And wouldn't.

Face it, he was the weakest link in the chain, by far. Fuck, he wasn't even Chain, he is dental floss for fucks sake.

[junky]

If you think that you can make the band look good by saying that Augeri took control of that situation, it won't fly.

It would mean that Augeri had quite a bit of power in the band and I simply cannot believe that. He was a full partner in Journey?

If Augeri was full partner in the band, it would be split 5 ways and if the contracts were done properly, majority rules in any decision.

[heardonthestreet]

SPIN, SPIN, SPIN! You could always do better than that , Dean. The only thing you can do for the band now is to say that you were mistaken. No statements were ever made, Cain's interview, with his sword in hand, claimed "Integrity," so it would all blow over if you admitted to a fabrication. It's the only way out.

[fred_journeyman]

This really is a web! Wow...

[knox]

Da Da Duuuuuuuhhhhhhnnnnnnn !!!!!!!!!!!

[ArnelRox]

Ok Dean u have me all confused now. Are u saying u think the band was glad u brought out tapegate & let u roll w/it because it gave them a chance to get rid of Augeri?

I don't understand why they couldn't have just fired him long ago if they wanted to. I can't imagine Neal would of given him that much control but u never know. Was it bcoz he would have talked about it & made them look bad?

[Abitaman]

Ok Dean u have me all confused now. Are u saying u think the band was glad u brought out tapegate & let u roll w/it because it gave them a chance to get rid of Augeri? ?

I don't believe it!! It is all made up as he goes along. Next Deano will be replacing Cain on the keys, and become their new manager. He will be writing songs like he wrote speeches for the white house.-ERIC

[heardonthestreet]

The only way for this to be resolved for the band is for this whole tape issue, be considered a false rumor that someone got carried away with, to the extreme. Everyone will lose, otherwise. Journey can't afford to lose anymore fans. Augeri has a lot of fans who will not accept or believe these allegations against him, that so far, have only been alleged by one person. The band hasn't claimed anything but INTEGRITY.

Come on Dean. If you really want to support Journey, you take the fall.

[fred_journeyman]

The only way for this to be resolved for the band is for this whole tape issue, be considered a false rumor that someone got carried away with, to the extreme.

Think about it...if it was a false rumor, don't you think the band would have come out and squashed it already?

Everyone will lose, otherwise. Journey can't afford to lose anymore fans. Augeri has a lot of fans who will not accept or believe these allegations against him, that so far, have only been alleged by one person. The band hasn't claimed anything but INTEGRITY.

Which ONE person - Deano, or the guy in Europe?

Come on Dean. If you really want to support Journey, you take the fall.

Fall? Fall? Deano, are you going to fall down?

[Rockindeano]

The only way for this to be resolved for the band is for this whole tape issue, be considered a false rumor that someone got carried away with, to the extreme. Everyone will lose, otherwise. Journey can't afford to lose anymore fans. Augeri has a lot of fans who will not accept or believe these allegations against him, that so far, have only been alleged by one person. The band hasn't claimed anything but INTEGRITY.

Come on Dean. If you really want to support Journey, you take the fall.

I was starting to tolerate you, but you are about as dumb as a fucking blind turtle.

Oh, you sure were supporting me when I had the blog up...now you say it's made up? Go fuck yourself with a barbed wire dildo, you fuckin' wench.

Abitaman, why even bother to post? NO ONE reads your retarded rants. You need to pray harder, cus dude, it sure as Hell ain't working for you.

[Rockindeano]

Ok Dean u have me all confused now. Are u saying u think the band was glad u brought out tapegate & let u roll w/it because it gave them a chance to get rid of Augeri?

You are pretty smart, you know that?

[fred_journeyman]

...Go fuck yourself with a barbed wire dildo, you fuckin' wench.

Yeeowch, that could REALLY hurt! Do they even MAKE barbed wire dildos?!

[fred_journeyman]

Ok Dean u have me all confused now. Are u saying u think the band was glad u brought out tapegate & let u roll w/it because it gave them a chance to get rid of Augeri?

You are pretty smart, you know that?

You see, that's what I was asking you before...so in effect, it's possible that you might have been used by the band to further their agenda. DANG! But, you said you got free concert tickets, etc.? Su-weet!

Let's chat...

[heardonthestreet]

I didn't say that you made it up,Dean. I'm saying that it would be to the bands best interest if you say that you made it up. You're the only one dragging Augeri's name through the mud and it's making the band look bad.

[heardonthestreet]

Ok Dean u have me all confused now. Are u saying u think the band was glad u brought out tapegate & let u roll w/it because it gave them a chance to get rid of Augeri?

You are pretty smart, you know that?

You see, that's what I was asking you before...so in effect, it's possible that you might have been used by the band to further their agenda. DANG! But, you said you got free concert tickets, etc.? Su-weet!

Let's chat...

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Don't forget lunch with Jeff. Dang! Su-weet

[nolippin]

How would it be in the band's best interest??? They haven't missed a beat. They are ignoring the whole thing and going on with a singer they want.

Augeri's the one who made the band look bad. They have stepped right over his body and moved on.

I didn't say that you made it up,Dean. I'm saying that it would be to the bands best interest if you say that you made it up. You're the only one dragging Augeri's name through the mud and it's making the band look bad.

[ArnelRox]

Which ONE person - Deano, or the guy in Europe?

I hate to be the one to say this but...Dean & Svante werent the only ones. It was being talked about in the "biz" for a long time b4 they ever said a word. A sound engineer told me last yr. I tho't he was full of it at the time. Then I heard more & the rest is history. I think either Bionic or ArrivalRules here on the board said they heard it too b4 Dean said it (sorry guys I get u both confused w/each other). Gonna have to quiet a lotta people...& have them all retract.

[ArnelRox]

Ok Dean u have me all confused now. Are u saying u think the band was glad u brought out tapegate & let u roll w/it because it gave them a chance to get rid of Augeri?

You are pretty smart, you know that?

Gee a compliment for me? Dare I ask what I owe u in return?

Damn that leads to so many more questions tho. I doubt ull answer them.

Was Augeri asked to step down before this?
Why did he ever agree to go live knowing he'd look the fool?
When did JSS know he was coming onboard? Did he say yes rite away?

I heard today (3rd hand so not reliable) he is telling fans at MNGs that he is only temp waiting for Augeri's return (cough cough). If he is really saying that it is just more of the "keep the fans happy show"?

[heardonthestreet]

Which ONE person - Deano, or the guy in Europe?

I hate to be the one to say this but...Dean & Svante werent the only ones. It was being talked about in the "biz" for a long time b4 they ever said a word. A sound engineer told me last yr. I tho't he was full of it at the time. Then I heard more & the rest is history. I think either Bionic or ArrivalRules here on the board said they heard it too b4 Dean said it (sorry guys I get u both confused w/each other). Gonna have to quiet a lotta people...& have them all retract.

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No proof, just rumors and hearsay. The band isn't trashing Augeri, nor has Andrew, that I know of.

The point is that they are all equally guilty or nobody is.

[Rockindeano]

...Go fuck yourself with a barbed wire dildo, you fuckin' wench.

Yeeowch, that could REALLY hurt! Do they even MAKE barbed wire dildos?!

I don't know, but I will be happy to make a handful.

[ArnelRox]

Which ONE person - Deano, or the guy in Europe?

I hate to be the one to say this but...Dean & Svante werent the only ones. It was being talked about in the "biz" for a long time b4 they ever said a word. A sound engineer told me last yr. I tho't he was full of it at the time. Then I heard more & the rest is history. I think either Bionic or ArrivalRules here on the board said they heard it too b4 Dean said it (sorry guys I get u both confused w/each other). Gonna have to quiet a lotta people...& have them all retract.

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No proof, just rumors and hearsay.

It's not solid undeniable win-a-case-in-court proof, no. The only way to do that is to have a recording of Augeri's mic & what fed into the PA to compare. No one will have that. But it was rumored in the biz last yr in the fall. We were going to the "journey show" & this guy told us to enjoy the tapes. He was in sound in LA for yrs & stays in touch. I said no way, not Journey. He said yes way it's the buzz. Trust me it was talked about for a long time b4 Dean said it here. Right Dean?

[Rockindeano]

You see, that's what I was asking you before...so in effect, it's possible that you might have been used by the band to further their agenda. DANG! But, you said you got free concert tickets, etc.? Su-weet!

I NEVER said that, Fred. Please be accurate.

[Rockindeano]

Which ONE person - Deano, or the guy in Europe?

I hate to be the one to say this but...Dean & Svante werent the only ones. It was being talked about in the "biz" for a long time b4 they ever said a word. A sound engineer told me last yr. I tho't he was full of it at the time. Then I heard more & the rest is history. I think either Bionic or ArrivalRules here on the board said they heard it too b4 Dean said it (sorry guys I get u both confused w/each other). Gonna have to quiet a lotta people...& have them all retract.

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No proof, just rumors and hearsay. The band isn't trashing Augeri, nor has Andrew, that I know of.

The point is that they are all equally guilty or nobody is.

Now you are making yourself quite clear.

You just despise all of them because of Perry.

During 'Gate, you were all for me doing it. Now I am back in Neals' corner, you are pissed.

You really ought to try masturbation. It lets all kinds of stress and emotion out.

[nolippin]

"The only way to do that is to have a recording of Augeri's mic & what fed into the PA to compare. No one will have that."

Yes, someone does have that. The guy at the Swedish radio (TV??)station. The one that Svante knows.

Which ONE person - Deano, or the guy in Europe?

I hate to be the one to say this but...Dean & Svante werent the only ones. It was being talked about in the "biz" for a long time b4 they ever said a word. A sound engineer told me last yr. I tho't he was full of it at the time. Then I heard more & the rest is history. I think either Bionic or ArrivalRules here on the board said they heard it too b4 Dean said it (sorry guys I get u both confused w/each other). Gonna have to quiet a lotta people...& have them all retract.

....................................
No proof, just rumors and hearsay.

It's not solid undeniable win-a-case-in-court proof, no. The only way to do that is to have a recording of Augeri's mic & what fed into the PA to compare. No one will have that. But it was rumored in the biz last yr in the fall. We were going to the "journey show" & this guy told us to enjoy the tapes. He was in sound in LA for yrs & stays in touch. I said no way, not Journey. He said yes way it's the buzz. Trust me it was talked about for a long time b4 Dean said it here. Right Dean?

[ArnelRox]

You see, that's what I was asking you before...so in effect, it's possible that you might have been used by the band to further their agenda. DANG! But, you said you got free concert tickets, etc.? Su-weet!

I NEVER said that, Fred. Please be accurate.

I asked him if he got free tickets last week. He specifically said he did not.

(I also asked if he got money, backstage passes & a blowjob. He denied the blowjob too. )

[ArnelRox]

You really ought to try masturbation. It lets all kinds of stress and emotion out.

Sex w/a partner is a lot better for letting out stress & emotion. Not sure if he/she can get that tho.

[Rockindeano]

It's not solid undeniable win-a-case-in-court proof, no. The only way to do that is to have a recording of Augeri's mic & what fed into the PA to compare. No one will have that. But it was rumored in the biz last yr in the fall.

Oh I think if I had been taken to court, it would have been pretty close. I had enough evidence. If I hired a good, really good attorney, I liked my chances.

We were going to the "journey show" & this guy told us to enjoy the tapes. He was in sound in LA for yrs & stays in touch. I said no way, not Journey. He said yes way it's the buzz. Trust me it was talked about for a long time b4 Dean said it here. Right Dean?

Honestly, I had never heard about this before I noticed it. When I did, I asked 2 people to comment and they both were adamant about it..They instantly knew.

[ArnelRox]

Honestly, I had never heard about this before I noticed it. When I did, I asked 2 people to comment and they both were adamant about it..They instantly knew.

Erm when was that approx? When the guy at work said it to us was last fall...Sept? I think. Does that coincide?