Sammy Hagar's Opinion Is.....

[Rockindeano]

I defy anyone, even Perry at the age he is, to go out night after night for 3 hours and sing like that. Maybe he thought he could recover.

3 hours? When did Augeri EVER sing 3 hours in a single night?

[Marc S]

Missed the point completely. Madge put the show on, simple as that. I don't particuarly like her. DLR was always much the better frontman, coudn't sing to save his life. Joe Elliot from the Leps could never last longer than 3 songs live so Lange flew in the vox (and everything else). There are only a few singers who can truly do it. Jimmy Barnes and particularly Glenn Hughes, all night, every night. And yes the Manchester show was knocking on 3 hours.

[Matthew]

You all really do get anal about this. The view from the UK; Steve Augeri did a fantastic job. Whatever anyone says, Arrival is a top album and he should be congratulated for that

That's not the view I'm seeing from the UK.

[Marc S]

Please, do elaborate....

[Rockindeano]

Marc, please answer me.

When did Augeri EVER sing 3 hours in a single night?

never happened. He sang maybe 1:45 per night, and Hell, after the first 7 shows, he NEVER sang!

[Marc S]

Why don't you take the point and not get bogged down in semantics? You've had your 15 minutes of fame and uncovered the alledged plot. Its almost an extension of your obsession with litigation, you have to blame someone? Do I assume you feel the studio albums were shit also? The whole melodicrock.com raison d'etre is hanging on to the past and wishing things would be the same as they were in 1981. I'm guilty too, but why put some poor guy on the rack cos he was part of some alledged conspiracy? It kept Journey going didn't it? Shame Bad English couldn't contain their egos and perhaps we wouldn't be here...

[Saint John]

What Perry did on The Escape Tour still boggles my mind. They played 5, sometimes 6 night a week. I wouldn't think it was humanly possible to do that. THAT has to be the reason his voice changed. I liked his voice much better on Frontiers anyway. More mature.

[Marc S]

Completely agree. But that was 25 years ago. What athlete can repeat that now?

[jrnyman28]

Perhaps you will feel it's semantics...but them men up on the stage for that tour...were indeed....live. As in breathing.

The announcer on the radio didn't say "Live men on a stage", like some discount chippendales show, it said "Live Rock n' Roll".
Meaning the music.

The music was live...

[Rockindeano]

The music was live...

Isn't the "voice" an instrument?

It's either ALL live, or all fake. Can't have it both ways Davey.

[sadie65]

The music was live...

Isn't the "voice" an instrument?

It's either ALL live, or all fake. Can't have it both ways Davey.

Yes you can. It's called compromise...and believe me, people do it all the time...including yourself. That you don't like the compromise is another matter, but it does happen all the time.

[Marc S]

Your naivety chills me. You talk of an age when there wasn't the technology available to be anything but 'live'. Audience expectation demands augmentation these days, right or wrong. Perhaps JC should have six hands?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

That is all well and good Fyre, IF he was getting a little help. Dude got 100% taped help....save for LTS LAST year.

THAT is a BIG difference, betwen a "little help" and "ALL Taped asistance."

Audiences paid to SEE and HEAR SA live. If the tape crap is true then they got half of that. BIG DEAL. They did what was necessary to satisfy the fans the best they could.

I don't see where any credibility has been lost. To your line of thinking every JOURNEY album should be equally trashed as technical tricks like echos, overdubs, multi-tracking, click tracks, etc., etc. were emplyed on all of them. I'm not just talking voice enhancements, either. Instrument help abounds on their recordings. I'm not an engineer but I can easily hear them.

I justy don't understand the obsession with this. Women fake orgasms all the time and as Jerry Seinfeld said, "Men are OK with that." I suppose REAL men are OK with that

[Rockindeano]

Fyre, you sound like a moral felon.

Accepting fakery is not acceptable at this level. If that is your argument, fine, but don't tell me they deserve a ticket to cleveland then. I personally think they should be in, but this BS that Augeri pulled is just that...Bullshit, by a very good, and obviously morally empty human being.

[RPM]

"What Perry did on The Escape Tour still boggles my mind. They played 5, sometimes 6 night a week. I wouldn't think it was humanly possible to do that"

And people wonder why he didnt want to tour anymore, look at the schedule for that year,
Herbie should be ashamed of himself for that. Not only did Perry do it, but he would often
go even higher then the recordings, and not sound strained doing it. we will never hear anything like it again.

[RPM]

DBL

[Saint John]

"What Perry did on The Escape Tour still boggles my mind. They played 5, sometimes 6 night a week. I wouldn't think it was humanly possible to do that"

And people wonder why he didnt want to tour anymore, look at the schedule for that year,
Herbie should be ashamed of himself for that. Not only did Perry do it, but he would often
go even higher then the recordings, and not sound strained doing it. we will never hear anything like it again.

Exactly!!! then I have to hear people bitch about him stopping during tours. Fuck, he stopped when he couldn't give 100%...for whatever reason. I will NEVER fault him for that. It's like the famous Joe Dimaggio quote ( I believe Dimaggio).... Joe, why do you play SO hard EVERY game?" His answer, "because a little boy might be seeing me play for the first time." People like Dimaggio and Perry GET IT. Others like Augeri and the current members (Azoff included), don't. And it's a shame.

[Rockindeano]

Fuckin Perry.....He HAD to be using tapes! That guy isn't real....He is a witch, and I mean that in a good way. What he did, and How good he did it, IS Mind numbing.

Then you go to Crack Talk, and see all the "Steve Perry Who?" threads, and it makes me sick. For those idiots to even compare Fraudgeri with Perry should be a crime. Now JSS is starting to get a big head on himself......I need to have a little talk with princess....yes, he is SLAYING right now, and YES, Journey is SLAYING the Euros.....They should definitely reverse the order of play between the two bands.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fyre, you sound like a moral felon.

Accepting fakery is not acceptable at this level. If that is your argument, fine, but don't tell me they deserve a ticket to cleveland then. I personally think they should be in, but this BS that Augeri pulled is just that...Bullshit, by a very good, and obviously morally empty human being.

I've got a minor eye infection and my vision is a little blurry - I thought you were calling me some kind of a melon.

I'm not arguing about accepting anything. You've got the right to not accept it. What I'm saying is that it's not a black and white issue. You want it to be all or nothing. I can appreciate that but I'm not sure that you'll ever get that. Live concerts are lavishly engineered to improve sound and so are studio recordings. I understand you'll accept that but won't accept "fakery." I guess I'm just not driven to judge things as acceptable or unacceptable. I'm not that high and mighty.

Was it BS? I don't believe JOURNEY meant any harm. They were between a rock and a hard place. Ultimately, it's turned out to be something of a mistake but I'm just not interested in crucifying them.

[fred_journeyman]

Yes, it is up to them - but if the vocals aren't live then it needs to say so on the concert ticket. Otherwise it's deception. Or perhaps you don't mind about that either?

Yeah, but in reality does anyone think that Madonna and/or Britney do not lip-sync during their concerts? I guess the only saving grace for them is that maybe their concerts are considered more like actual productions, so people are getting more bang for their buck.

[fred_journeyman]

"What Perry did on The Escape Tour still boggles my mind. They played 5, sometimes 6 night a week. I wouldn't think it was humanly possible to do that"

And people wonder why he didnt want to tour anymore, look at the schedule for that year,
Herbie should be ashamed of himself for that. Not only did Perry do it, but he would often
go even higher then the recordings, and not sound strained doing it. we will never hear anything like it again.

It's true, however here's another case of why did the guys put up with that? I mean, even according to Herbie, Perry stood up to him on many occasions. Hind sight is 20/20 though...for everyone.

[fred_journeyman]

Was it BS? I don't believe JOURNEY meant any harm. They were between a rock and a hard place. Ultimately, it's turned out to be something of a mistake but I'm just not interested in crucifying them.

You're kind, Fyre and I mean that sincerely. I don't want to crucify them either, but IF anyone willingly and knowingly said that they should start using a tape and then keep the fraud going for as long as possible, then that's not right, plain and simple. When you go to a rock concert, you truly expect to hear the lead singer sing LIVE.

Milli Vanilli WAS crucified because they were lip-sync'g to OTHER singers' voices. At least Augeri was lip-sync'g to his own voice, however I don't think it's fair that people should be expected to pay what they're being asked to pay and not hear it LIVE (I'm not talking about background vocals or additional music tracks here).

[Rockindeano]

Fyre, you sound like a moral felon.

Accepting fakery is not acceptable at this level. If that is your argument, fine, but don't tell me they deserve a ticket to cleveland then. I personally think they should be in, but this BS that Augeri pulled is just that...Bullshit, by a very good, and obviously morally empty human being.

I've got a minor eye infection and my vision is a little blurry - I thought you were calling me some kind of a melon.

I'm not arguing about accepting anything. You've got the right to not accept it. What I'm saying is that it's not a black and white issue. You want it to be all or nothing. I can appreciate that but I'm not sure that you'll ever get that. Live concerts are lavishly engineered to improve sound and so are studio recordings. I understand you'll accept that but won't accept "fakery." I guess I'm just not driven to judge things as acceptable or unacceptable. I'm not that high and mighty.

Was it BS? I don't believe JOURNEY meant any harm. They were between a rock and a hard place. Ultimately, it's turned out to be something of a mistake but I'm just not interested in crucifying them.

Nice spin....

get the fuck outta hre.

[Monker]

Well, Sammy has one thing right on this...

IT'S TOO LATE.

This is from Sammy Hagar:



Jeff's the real deal. Jeff's himself…he sings like Jeff Scott Soto. He doesn't sing like somebody else and that's what they needed all along because the rest of the guys in the band are that talented – that good.
So I think it will turn out to be a good move, just too bad it happened so late…and too bad for Steve, cause Steve did a great job filling in for Steve Perry for so many years, because that's what he was doing.
Now maybe Journey can reinvent themselves.




WOW...How insulting...again, not MY words...."filling in for Steve Perry for so many years, because that's what he was doing." FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well, Sammy has one thing right on this...

IT'S TOO LATE.

Maybe to make a dent on radio, won't matter one bit to ticket sales.

[Monker]

Well, Sammy has one thing right on this...

IT'S TOO LATE.

Maybe to make a dent on radio, won't matter one bit to ticket sales.

Nope...radio won't happen....and ticket sales will go DOWN, not up. Wait until they tour solo for the second time.

[Crazie Scarab]

Fyre, you sound like a moral felon.

Accepting fakery is not acceptable at this level. If that is your argument, fine, but don't tell me they deserve a ticket to cleveland then. I personally think they should be in, but this BS that Augeri pulled is just that...Bullshit, by a very good, and obviously morally empty human being.

I've got a minor eye infection and my vision is a little blurry - I thought you were calling me some kind of a melon.

I'm not arguing about accepting anything. You've got the right to not accept it. What I'm saying is that it's not a black and white issue. You want it to be all or nothing. I can appreciate that but I'm not sure that you'll ever get that. Live concerts are lavishly engineered to improve sound and so are studio recordings. I understand you'll accept that but won't accept "fakery." I guess I'm just not driven to judge things as acceptable or unacceptable. I'm not that high and mighty.

Was it BS? I don't believe JOURNEY meant any harm. They were between a rock and a hard place. Ultimately, it's turned out to be something of a mistake but I'm just not interested in crucifying them.

Hmmm.. Fyre.. that wasn't too convincing. Sure, they were between a rock and a hard place. The only thing that seems to be a mistake is that they were caught selling tickets to a live performance that wasn't exactly "live." I'm sure they didn't mean any harm, but c'mon!

The best part about all of this is that Journey now again has a fresh start. It would be great if they would clear up the entire mess they seem to have gotten themselves into, though. It would real be easy.. Then, they could just move forward with no further questions about it.

[Crazie Scarab]

Well, Sammy has one thing right on this...

IT'S TOO LATE.

Maybe to make a dent on radio, won't matter one bit to ticket sales.

Nope...radio won't happen....and ticket sales will go DOWN, not up. Wait until they tour solo for the second time.

Monker.. You are the eternal pessimist!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Nope...radio won't happen....and ticket sales will go DOWN, not up. Wait until they tour solo for the second time.

I'm gonna hold you to that....
The same way I remind you daily of your mis-prediction that the first Perry dvd wouldn't sell more than Vegas.

[RPM]

"It's true, however here's another case of why did the guys put up with that? I mean, even according to Herbie, Perry stood up to him on many occasions. Hind sight is 20/20 though...for everyone"

He tried. he told them all Fuck you. The promoter got on his knees BEGGING Perry to tour
the schedule, they also layed on him Rosses finacial problems, so he went against his better
judgement and did it. And all they will do is cry how he screwed them . ungrateful .......