Sammy Hagar's Opinion Is.....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Monker.. You are the eternal pessimist!

He hasn't left the comfort of his Iowan hog farm in so long that he forgets what the outside world is like.
Replacing Augeri won't matter a damn.

[Monker]

Well, Sammy has one thing right on this...

IT'S TOO LATE.

Maybe to make a dent on radio, won't matter one bit to ticket sales.

Nope...radio won't happen....and ticket sales will go DOWN, not up. Wait until they tour solo for the second time.

Monker.. You are the eternal pessimist!

When it comes to Journey, yes I am. I haven't believed they have made good decisions in so long that I don't think they are capable.

They should have taken the time to record and release an album after the Main Event tour. It was a great time to take a break...But, instead, they head right back out on the road.

The "I Love All Access" is bullshit. You basicaly have to pay a scalper price for the tickets now...and the money goes to ILAA and probably Journey. I had third row for Main Event and there is no way that will happen again because of how they handle tickets. It's bullshit to say it's for the fans - It's done because THEY want the money instead of it going to scalpers.

The way the recorded and released Generations was crap. It was jumbled together and hurried through and the result is it sounds HORRIBLE. Then they decide to give it away, which is fine...But, not selling it on their website was STUPID. What kind of crap was THAT? The only reason they did that was to get the deal for the Europe release...It was NOT done for the fans, it was done for the money.

Then, of course, Soul SirkUS...where Neal basicaly blows off Journey to go to a band that was failed from the get-go. Even I could see that. Basicaly, the time he wasted on SS could have been spent on Journey to make Generations an awesome album. The result was he screwed up BOTH bands.

Now we find Journey screwing over their lead singer by REPLACING him mid-tour. People are VERY naive to believe that isn't going to have SOME impact on the fanbase. On top of that, they are screwing with their traditional sound...which will FURTHER alienate some of their fanbase.

So, excuse me for being pessimistic...but, there hasn't been much for me to be optimistic about in a LONG time.

[Saint John]

Well, Sammy has one thing right on this...

IT'S TOO LATE.

Maybe to make a dent on radio, won't matter one bit to ticket sales.

Nope...radio won't happen....and ticket sales will go DOWN, not up. Wait until they tour solo for the second time.

Monker.. You are the eternal pessimist!

When it comes to Journey, yes I am. I haven't believed they have made good decisions in so long that I don't think they are capable.

They should have taken the time to record and release an album after the Main Event tour. It was a great time to take a break...But, instead, they head right back out on the road.

The "I Love All Access" is bullshit. You basicaly have to pay a scalper price for the tickets now...and the money goes to ILAA and probably Journey. I had third row for Main Event and there is no way that will happen again because of how they handle tickets. It's bullshit to say it's for the fans - It's done because THEY want the money instead of it going to scalpers.

The way the recorded and released Generations was crap. It was jumbled together and hurried through and the result is it sounds HORRIBLE. Then they decide to give it away, which is fine...But, not selling it on their website was STUPID. What kind of crap was THAT? The only reason they did that was to get the deal for the Europe release...It was NOT done for the fans, it was done for the money.

Then, of course, Soul SirkUS...where Neal basicaly blows off Journey to go to a band that was failed from the get-go. Even I could see that. Basicaly, the time he wasted on SS could have been spent on Journey to make Generations an awesome album. The result was he screwed up BOTH bands.

Now we find Journey screwing over their lead singer by REPLACING him mid-tour. People are VERY naive to believe that isn't going to have SOME impact on the fanbase. On top of that, they are screwing with their traditional sound...which will FURTHER alienate some of their fanbase.

So, excuse me for being pessimistic...but, there hasn't been much for me to be optimistic about in a LONG time.

Sad....but pretty accurate. HOWEVER, they have a dude who wants to rock and write new material. he's edgy and has balls. At least if they go down, it'll be swinging....not lipping. I see pretty good things happening in the future. And yes, we will hear from Mr. Perry in 2007. Probably not with Journey though.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Basicaly, the time he wasted on SS could have been spent on Journey to make Generations an awesome album. The result was he screwed up BOTH bands.

Maybe you should be looking at the bigger picture and asking why "apathy" was so endemic throughout most of the Post-perry era.
Could it be because they had a faulty product they didn't fully believe in?

People are VERY naive to believe that isn't going to have SOME impact on the fanbase.

Oh, you're right on that count.
10 people from BackTalk will cancel their fanclub memberships.
LOL.

On top of that, they are screwing with their traditional sound...which will FURTHER alienate some of their fanbase.

JSS sounds suitably Perry-esque when he wants to.
From the way you talk, I don't think you've heard anything from Soto.
Just another Augerifruit reaching unfounded conclusions...the same way Perryloons used to pre-judge Augeri.

So, excuse me for being pessimistic...but, there hasn't been much for me to be optimistic about in a LONG time.

Good.
Pull the trigger and end it already.
Next stop - the insatiable fires of hell.
Bye! Bye!

[Angiekay]

Missed the point completely. Madge put the show on, simple as that. .

Oh yeah, speaking of lip synching....

[frostbite]

Fuckin Perry.....He HAD to be using tapes! That guy isn't real....He is a witch, and I mean that in a good way. What he did, and How good he did it, IS Mind numbing.

Then you go to Crack Talk, and see all the "Steve Perry Who?" threads, and it makes me sick. For those idiots to even compare Fraudgeri with Perry should be a crime. Now JSS is starting to get a big head on himself......I need to have a little talk with princess....yes, he is SLAYING right now, and YES, Journey is SLAYING the Euros.....They should definitely reverse the order of play between the two bands.

Have to agree. Steve Perry was a one off.

On a side note, talk of how Perry couldn't cut it now is irrelevant. When he was singing he was untouchable. Yeah his voice was a bit ravaged by the FTLOSM tour but he had the dignity to cut that tour short because he felt he couldn't give 100%. It's not just a question of putting on a show regardless. If the singers voice is fucked, then I'm sorry, the band must postpone or cancel the show...or get a stand in (Like Sabbath did with Halford). Jesus, even Ozzy didn't resort to lip synching and that guy can barely stand up straight!!

[Monker]

Maybe you should be looking at the bigger picture and asking why "apathy" was so endemic throughout most of the Post-perry era.
Could it be because they had a faulty product they didn't fully believe in?

Because they make more money touring then by recording.

With SS, they bombed on the road AND with the album.

With Journey, they gave up on albums after Arrival and they only care about touring.

We've been down this road before.

JSS sounds suitably Perry-esque when he wants to.

So, in other words, he's trying to sound like Perry - WHICH YOU PEOPLE KEEP SAYING HE'S NOT DOING. It's not his natural sound.

From the way you talk, I don't think you've heard anything from Soto.

I've heard enough.

[Clasicrockldy]

Ok Monker, I will bite.... What have you heard from JSS?

[ArnelRox]

Yeah his voice was a bit ravaged by the FTLOSM tour but he had the dignity to cut that tour short because he felt he couldn't give 100%.

erm did u see Perry in the FTLOSM tour? I did. He was absolutely positively incredibly amazing. He even made fun of the rumors that he lost his voice. Did u hear his voice on I Stand Alone? That was 97 I think. Amazing there too. Did u hear his voice on the David Pack bg vocals? That was 05, I think. Did u hear him sing after 3 days of yelling for the Chicago White Sox last year just walking up to the mic messing around singing into a crumby assed mic & with a bunch of basketball players singing out of tune? Perry can still bring it. He still has that old magic. Trust me. Or check on YouTube.com it's all there for u to hear.

[frostbite]

Oh don't get me wrong, I think Steve Perry is the greatest rock vocalist EVER! No one even comes close. I was lucky enough to get over to the States and see him in Milwaukee on the start of the FTLOSM tour and I loved every minute of it. He sounded great but very husky. I met him briefly after the show and he said something along the lines of "That was such a blast but I think I'll leave Open Arms for special occasions".

At the end of the day, he did cut the tour short, that's just the facts. I think in the studio Perry can still outsing anybody.

[Matthew]

That is all well and good Fyre, IF he was getting a little help. Dude got 100% taped help....save for LTS LAST year.

THAT is a BIG difference, betwen a "little help" and "ALL Taped asistance."

Audiences paid to SEE and HEAR SA live. If the tape crap is true then they got half of that. BIG DEAL.

Oh...Fyre...are you saying you'd happily pay a load of cash in ticket, travel and hotel expenses just to look at Steve Augeri? Say it isn't so.

[ArnelRox]

That is all well and good Fyre, IF he was getting a little help. Dude got 100% taped help....save for LTS LAST year.

THAT is a BIG difference, betwen a "little help" and "ALL Taped asistance."

Audiences paid to SEE and HEAR SA live. If the tape crap is true then they got half of that. BIG DEAL.

Oh...Fyre...are you saying you'd happily pay a load of cash in ticket, travel and hotel expenses just to look at Steve Augeri? Say it isn't so.

Well some of the Augeriheads would.

To be honest, I might pay all that just to look at Perry stand there for a minute. He wouldn't even have to smile. So I guess I'm no better. It's a woman kind of thang Matthew. Too hard for a guy to understand.

[Matthew]

That is all well and good Fyre, IF he was getting a little help. Dude got 100% taped help....save for LTS LAST year.

THAT is a BIG difference, betwen a "little help" and "ALL Taped asistance."

Audiences paid to SEE and HEAR SA live. If the tape crap is true then they got half of that. BIG DEAL.

Oh...Fyre...are you saying you'd happily pay a load of cash in ticket, travel and hotel expenses just to look at Steve Augeri? Say it isn't so.

Well some of the Augeriheads would.

To be honest, I might pay all that just to look at Perry stand there for a minute. He wouldn't even have to smile. So I guess I'm no better. It's a woman kind of thang Matthew. Too hard for a guy to understand.

Well, I did see Britney Spears on the "Oops..I Did It Again" tour...and I didn't mind one bit that she was miming...

[bionic]

But they don't say that on tickets to Madonna or Britney concerts and for at least some of the time during those concerts, they are NOT actually singing.

Who cares?
I heard radio ads for the 30th anniversary tour promising the fans "a night of LIVE rock n' roll!".
Operative word being "live".

Agreed,people must be allowed to decide how they spend there money,if i had known he was lipping i would not have bothered attending the shows!!! As a paying customer i want to know what i am paying for

[Voyager]

Unfortunately Andrew, this has been an Augeri bashing forum for months and it has been endless.

I don't see it that way. I appreciate Andrew allowing his forum members to speak their honest opinions about Journey and its singers. If you try to post your opinion on the official Journey forum, it will get removed unless it agrees with the forum moderator's opinion. Having a forum where real people and speak their honest opinions is very refreshiing - even if I don't agree with them.

Keep up the great work Andrew!!!

[bionic]

That is all well and good Fyre, IF he was getting a little help. Dude got 100% taped help....save for LTS LAST year.

THAT is a BIG difference, betwen a "little help" and "ALL Taped asistance."

Well said are we supposed to be impressed at someone miming on stage? He is a singer not an actor therefore we expect him to sing.Otherwise it should say Neal Schon Guitar Steve Augeri miming vocalist etc etc.He is stated as singer but we never heard him sing?????
Its like paying to watch a hockey player who never plays???
I can accept some people dont care and thats great for bands that cannot cut it live,but some of us like Deano are not happy and why should we have to pay for this???

[NealIsGod]

What Perry did on The Escape Tour still boggles my mind. They played 5, sometimes 6 night a week. I wouldn't think it was humanly possible to do that. THAT has to be the reason his voice changed. I liked his voice much better on Frontiers anyway. More mature.

That's just the nice way to say ragged.

[Rockindeano]

First off, Perry sang his ass off like you said, 5, 6 times a week on the Escape tour. However, over at Crack Talk, someone posted the Departure schedule...At one time, Perry sang every night in one 31 day month. Are you kidding me?

NIG, I would not say "ragged" on Frontiers...Perhaps a little on ROR, but Frontiers was awesome,

[NealIsGod]

First off, Perry sang his ass off like you said, 5, 6 times a week on the Escape tour. However, over at Crack Talk, someone posted the Departure schedule...At one time, Perry sang every night in one 31 day month. Are you kidding me?

NIG, I would not say "ragged" on Frontiers...Perhaps a little on ROR, but Frontiers was awesome,

Frontiers ia a great album, but there is no denying the major difference in Perry's voice from previous albums.

[*Laura]

Frontiers ia a great album, but there is no denying the major difference in Perry's voice from previous albums.

Sure there is a difference.Perry himself stated at the time that he wanned to record Frontiers in a different vocal style by exploring his lower range too.
Of course,the heavy touring for the previous albums must've affected him also.

I don't mind,tho...Frontiers is an amazing LP - great vocals,powerful songs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sure there is a difference.Perry himself stated at the time that he wanned to record Frontiers in a different vocal style by exploring his lower range too.

That's what people in the business call "spin" or, ahem, "a crock o' shit".
Perry wasn't voluntarily exploring the cavernous recess of his diaphragm.
He had no choice. His voice was changing.

[Marabelle]

Spinning Changing Lower Ranger; whatever it was; sufice to say that it still attracted an audience

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well said are we supposed to be impressed at someone miming on stage? He is a singer not an actor therefore we expect him to sing.Otherwise it should say Neal Schon Guitar Steve Augeri miming vocalist etc etc.He is stated as singer but we never heard him sing?????
Its like paying to watch a hockey player who never plays???
I can accept some people dont care and thats great for bands that cannot cut it live,but some of us like Deano are not happy and why should we have to pay for this???

You're absolutely right - and this shouldn't be a minority opinion, either.
This is just some homespun commonsense talk.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Spinning Changing Lower Ranger; whatever it was; sufice to say that it still attracted an audience

Saying that Perry's voice changed with time is not an insult.

It's time now u Perryfreaks get over that.

[McNeil]

Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot.

No, Augeri didn't always suck at all. He did an important job that kept this band on the road aftr Perry did not want to tour.

I do NOT want this to be an Augeri bashing forum and think he deserves a little more respect than this.

Hallelujah, Andrew!

Jeez.... the Penny has dropped... but too late... this is a major "Augeri -raping", drop off point for a small handful of sicko's.. who need to "get over it"

Im glad that the forum owner has spoken up.... now please stop insulting the guys whole back catalogue and tenure with the band!!

[Citygirl]

The Godfather's on Film 4 tonight, should they do a remake where Steve sends his cousins after Deano?

[*Laura]

Sure there is a difference.Perry himself stated at the time that he wanned to record Frontiers in a different vocal style by exploring his lower range too.

That's what people in the business call "spin" or, ahem, "a crock o' shit".
Perry wasn't voluntarily exploring the cavernous recess of his diaphragm.
He had no choice. His voice was changing.

We will never know what was going on with SP's "cavernous recess of his diaphragm"( ),so I will not speculate on his decision to change his style (read lower his range).
However,I am sure that he was aware that his chords were overused,so my guess is that he tried to be more careful with his delivery and preserve his vocal strenght for the Frontiers album & tour.
I agree he had no choice.

When your body betrays you,use your intelligence.

[Calbear94]

Monker is right. Soul Sirkus was uninspired. Generations was weak, an unorganized mess.

Hagar supports Schon and Soto? BIG SURPRISE!!! They're friends and rockers with some similar creative interests. He hopes that Journey can re-invent itself. Into what???? Soul Frickin' Sirkus?????

The material is just not there for Soul Sirkus or for Journey post-Perry. There were a few special moments (2-3 songs off of each CD/LP, Live in Vegas was incredible) during the Augeri era, but this was not due to his singing...he sang well. The majority of the songs were weak and marked a huge departure from the Journey early 80s sound. There has not been enough quality songs. Neal seems to be just so far away creatively from where he was at prior to the hiatus. Overall the songwriting is just not there.

Soto can sing...he's just not a good fit for Journey. There are other singers out there who would be a much better fit.

Augeri did his part, and did it well for at least 6 years. I understand some still feel sore that JOURNEY (yes, I said 'Journey") resorted to using taped vocals, but revisionist history sucks. Don't go back and re-write the Augeri legacy. Get over it... Throw your unabashed support behind Soto like Chet has, if you choose to do so, but move on already.

[Jeremey]

Perry's strength has always been his ability to adapt his voice over time....The different styles and approaches he's used to keep his voice under control is one of the most amazing things about the guy. Even on the FTLOSM boots I've heard, he was able to master the song, not allow the song to master him, which is where Augeri went wrong. Augeri allowed that catalogue to get the best of him, and it kicked his ass good.

To be honest, if Perry had stayed the high pitched prepubescent Perry of Evolution and Departure, I would have never been anything more than a passing fan. His abilities at that point in his development were freak-like. Some people are drawn to the extremes of human ability, but for me, I've always enjoyed the command Perry had over his voice 1981-1986. Those 5 years were his peak.

Perry's voice definitely changed over time, and the great part about it is that he realized it and was able to make it work for him. Listening to the "Separate Ways" from the Day on The Green in 1982, you can still hear a little bit of that beak-squeak that he was able to overcome during the recording of "Frontiers." It's interesting to hear boots from early on the Escape tour and compare them with mid-Frontiers tours.

[Saint John]

What Perry did on The Escape Tour still boggles my mind. They played 5, sometimes 6 night a week. I wouldn't think it was humanly possible to do that. THAT has to be the reason his voice changed. I liked his voice much better on Frontiers anyway. More mature.

That's just the nice way to say ragged.

Nope. When You Love A Woman came what, 13 years after you say his voice became "ragged." Although it's not my favorite song, it DOES show that his voice was far, far from ragged. Ragged is what forced Augeri to go to tapes. Frontiers sold 6 million copies...and counting. Have a nice day.