Soto Checks In

[Marabelle]

Oh no...fuck you!

[heardonthestreet]

Noble, you gonna let her talk to you like that?

[odessa]

Monkers right.
Augeri went through all the paces and you all are saying the same things about JSS as you said about Augeri at one time. You beat the Perry people into the ground about what a personable, friendly, easy to get along with, great, all around guy he was. Jss is just another vocalist trying to give Journey some credibility as Augeri did. Time will tell.

I’m a Perry fan who never pretended to being a fan of Augeri’s. I don’t feel bad about wishing Augeri well-once he is officially gone. Supporting JSS, betrays no one or their legacy (ie Perry). I will always be a Perry fan. I like JSS and it really doesn’t matter if he is a part of the band or not. I’ll give him and the band a chance now. If JSS goes and Augeri returns, my support for the band ends. Plain and simple.

I don’t care what people may have said in the past, when I was not posting. I don’t live in the past. It’s how they act now that is important. If people say negative things about Perry now (given what’s transpired recently) that’s a different story. If they can finally show Perry respect, and recognize his contributions, I can respect them. That means something to me. I do believe people can change.

Perry is human and naturally he made some mistakes. He wasn’t perfect and I am not blinded to human character flaws. However, it still does not diminish his legacy with the band or his great contributions-that’s the bottom line.

What I like about the situation with JSS is that it can unite people- who are willing to be open minded. There was too much (Perry VS Augeri) mud slinging in the past-from both sides. It needed to end. The bottom line is that we all love the music and I think that’s a good start for sharing common ground amongst all camps.

[fred_journeyman]

Again, the same thing was said about Augeri when he was hired. So, what's the big deal about popping on the forum once in a while?

This is absolutely true. I remember when Augeri used to post and everyone talked about how classy the guy was. Hell, after one concert, my wife and I were waiting outside the fence, on a [grassy] knoll for the guys to come out. Steve was walking to the bus, I called to him and he stopped and chatted. I felt that was class then and still do.

The very first time I saw Journey with Augeri, toward the end of the concert, Steve thanked everyone for letting him sing for them.

JSS is doing the smart thing and keeping it on the "down low," but doing what he can to connect with fans. Not trying to take anything away from Soto, but it's probably what anyone in his situation would do.

[fred_journeyman]

Monkers right.
Augeri went through all the paces and you all are saying the same things about JSS as you said about Augeri at one time. You beat the Perry people into the ground about what a personable, friendly, easy to get along with, great, all around guy he was. Jss is just another vocalist trying to give Journey some credibility as Augeri did. Time will tell.

What I like about the situation with JSS is that it can unite people- who are willing to be open minded. There was too much (Perry VS Augeri) mud slinging in the past-from both sides. It needed to end. The bottom line is that we all love the music and I think that’s a good start for sharing common ground amongst all camps.

You know, what has happened here is NO different than what happens in other parts of corporate America - businesses, schools even churches. You have someone at the corporate level who might have been loved by everyone. All of a sudden that person is gone. Another person comes in and replaces him/her and the replacement usually does NOT pan out. It's the person AFTER the first replacement that is generally better accepted by the majority. This is often why churches - when a paster who was there for a long time and well-liked - replace a pastor, they replace him/her with a TEMPORARY pastor, sometimes taking up to a year or two before a permanent replacement is found. The temporary pastor is there to deflect any animousity within the local church and to help in the uniting process. Corporations do this all the time.

Maybe Augeri simply should have been dubbed the "temporary" replacement by the band and things might have gone much smoother, who knows? After a few years, they could have then asked Perry to rejoin. If he said "no," they could have then replacement the temporary with someone else and moved on.

[FormerJrnyFan]

17 sneezes...wow!!!!

[Clasicrockldy]

17 sneezes...wow!!!!

Care to elaborate on that?

[odessa]

Monkers right.
Augeri went through all the paces and you all are saying the same things about JSS as you said about Augeri at one time. You beat the Perry people into the ground about what a personable, friendly, easy to get along with, great, all around guy he was. Jss is just another vocalist trying to give Journey some credibility as Augeri did. Time will tell.

What I like about the situation with JSS is that it can unite people- who are willing to be open minded. There was too much (Perry VS Augeri) mud slinging in the past-from both sides. It needed to end. The bottom line is that we all love the music and I think that’s a good start for sharing common ground amongst all camps.

You know, what has happened here is NO different than what happens in other parts of corporate America - businesses, schools even churches. You have someone at the corporate level who might have been loved by everyone. All of a sudden that person is gone. Another person comes in and replaces him/her and the replacement usually does NOT pan out. It's the person AFTER the first replacement that is generally better accepted by the majority. This is often why churches - when a paster who was there for a long time and well-liked - replace a pastor, they replace him/her with a TEMPORARY pastor, sometimes taking up to a year or two before a permanent replacement is found. The temporary pastor is there to deflect any animousity within the local church and to help in the uniting process. Corporations do this all the time.

Maybe Augeri simply should have been dubbed the "temporary" replacement by the band and things might have gone much smoother, who knows? After a few years, they could have then asked Perry to rejoin. If he said "no," they could have then replacement the temporary with someone else and moved on.

This is a VERY good post! It's is the perfect analogy of what *I* see happening right now and VERY true! I’m glad you posted this, but sorry that it will get buried in this thread

[Saint John]

Monkers right.
Augeri went through all the paces and you all are saying the same things about JSS as you said about Augeri at one time. You beat the Perry people into the ground about what a personable, friendly, easy to get along with, great, all around guy he was. Jss is just another vocalist trying to give Journey some credibility as Augeri did. Time will tell.

What I like about the situation with JSS is that it can unite people- who are willing to be open minded. There was too much (Perry VS Augeri) mud slinging in the past-from both sides. It needed to end. The bottom line is that we all love the music and I think that’s a good start for sharing common ground amongst all camps.

You know, what has happened here is NO different than what happens in other parts of corporate America - businesses, schools even churches. You have someone at the corporate level who might have been loved by everyone. All of a sudden that person is gone. Another person comes in and replaces him/her and the replacement usually does NOT pan out. It's the person AFTER the first replacement that is generally better accepted by the majority. This is often why churches - when a paster who was there for a long time and well-liked - replace a pastor, they replace him/her with a TEMPORARY pastor, sometimes taking up to a year or two before a permanent replacement is found. The temporary pastor is there to deflect any animousity within the local church and to help in the uniting process. Corporations do this all the time.

Maybe Augeri simply should have been dubbed the "temporary" replacement by the band and things might have gone much smoother, who knows? After a few years, they could have then asked Perry to rejoin. If he said "no," they could have then replacement the temporary with someone else and moved on.

Excellent post. Augeri was in a lose-lose situation. The landscape of music had changed. Let's say he came in and Arrival sold 3 million copies. Relative to the music scene, that would have been as impressive, if not moreso, than Escape's sales. And had that happened, people would've just started the "Escape sold 9 million, this dude's no Perry." Realistically, there was no way he could win. He took a job that made him a lot of money, did it somewhat well for awhile and then did something that made all the nay-sayers right. He had the opportunity to go out with dignity, but he, the rest of the band and management made an awful decision. One that most, myself included, will never forgive him for. As you said, he was in the eyes of most, the temporary guy, even if reality suggested otherwise. I think that is what Hagar was getting at. With all of the years he dedicated to winning over fans it's hard to believe he fell into such a transparent trap.

[Marabelle]

Travesty for SA; cause he could have left with suh a better legacy even if it was still under the auspices of being the temporary lead singer. Some great post.

[odessa]

Monkers right.
Augeri went through all the paces and you all are saying the same things about JSS as you said about Augeri at one time. You beat the Perry people into the ground about what a personable, friendly, easy to get along with, great, all around guy he was. Jss is just another vocalist trying to give Journey some credibility as Augeri did. Time will tell.

What I like about the situation with JSS is that it can unite people- who are willing to be open minded. There was too much (Perry VS Augeri) mud slinging in the past-from both sides. It needed to end. The bottom line is that we all love the music and I think that’s a good start for sharing common ground amongst all camps.

You know, what has happened here is NO different than what happens in other parts of corporate America - businesses, schools even churches. You have someone at the corporate level who might have been loved by everyone. All of a sudden that person is gone. Another person comes in and replaces him/her and the replacement usually does NOT pan out. It's the person AFTER the first replacement that is generally better accepted by the majority. This is often why churches - when a paster who was there for a long time and well-liked - replace a pastor, they replace him/her with a TEMPORARY pastor, sometimes taking up to a year or two before a permanent replacement is found. The temporary pastor is there to deflect any animousity within the local church and to help in the uniting process. Corporations do this all the time.

Maybe Augeri simply should have been dubbed the "temporary" replacement by the band and things might have gone much smoother, who knows? After a few years, they could have then asked Perry to rejoin. If he said "no," they could have then replacement the temporary with someone else and moved on.

Excellent post. Augeri was in a lose-lose situation. The landscape of music had changed. Let's say he came in and Arrival sold 3 million copies. Relative to the music scene, that would have been as impressive, if not moreso, than Escape's sales. And had that happened, people would've just started the "Escape sold 9 million, this dude's no Perry." Realistically, there was no way he could win. He took a job that made him a lot of money, did it somewhat well for awhile and then did something that made all the nay-sayers right. He had the opportunity to go out with dignity, but he, the rest of the band and management made an awful decision. One that most, myself included, will never forgive him for. As you said, he was in the eyes of most, the temporary guy, even if reality suggested otherwise. I think that is what Hagar was getting at. With all of the years he dedicated to winning over fans it's hard to believe he fell into such a transparent trap.

This is another great post SJ! I really wish Fred started this as a new thread because both your two posts really focus on the issue and address the matter! I’m impressed!

[RPM]

"This is absolutely true. I remember when Augeri used to post and everyone talked about how classy the guy was. Hell, after one concert, my wife and I were waiting outside the fence, on a [grassy] knoll for the guys to come out. Steve was walking to the bus, I called to him and he stopped and chatted. I felt that was class then and still do.

The very first time I saw Journey with Augeri, toward the end of the concert, Steve thanked everyone for letting him sing for them.

JSS is doing the smart thing and keeping it on the "down low," but doing what he can to connect with fans. Not trying to take anything away from Soto, but it's probably what anyone in his situation would do."

True post Fred, both are fan friendly people, why is there no simple "thank you" to all
the well wishers then? was he banned to posting that?

[Marabelle]

I realized I was going to say something bitter and angry but I changed my mind and will let someone else say it who is not as jaundiced as I've become.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh no...fuck you!

Noble, you gonna let her talk to you like that?

I'm not so sure what her expletive was even in reference to.

I simply assumed she spilled KY all over the keyboard as she accidentally hit "warp speed" on her diamond-encrusted butt plug.


This is one classy lady, let me tell yah'.

[odessa]

Travesty for SA; cause he could have left with suh a better legacy even if it was still under the auspices of being the temporary lead singer. Some great post.

I agree. It is very sad!

[Marabelle]

LOL! Mr. TNC! The comedic terseness of your words only illustate the inadequacies of your sexual prowess. When you refer to me I'd wish you not make any comments with regard to butt plugs, etc; it just shows your lack of maturity and character.

[ArnelRox]

True post Fred, both are fan friendly people, why is there no simple "thank you" to all
the well wishers then? was he banned to posting that?

I think that's what everyone has been wondering. His absence makes him look guilty more than anything else ever did -- actually even more than anything Dean said.

Maybe he's pissed & he thinks he's sticking it to the band by saying nothing. That's the only thing I can think of. I mean wouldn't the band want to hang onto Augeri's fans & convert them to JSS? Obviously JSS is doing a pretty fine job w/that task all by himself. But a little word or 2 from Augeri would soothe a little more of the pain specially if he gave JSS his blessing. I assume that will come somewhere down the road when the official announcement comes. In the meantime, if Augeri tho't he is going to do anything musically ever again, he would of thanked his fans. Since he hasn't, I can only assume he is done w/music forever. His lack of even a simple TY makes it look like he never meant a word he said to all the fans he cultivated tho. We might laugh at them here but I do feel sorry for them. They've been loyal to him & this is the best he can do in return? And I tho't he was a nice guy. Hmph.