Sammy Hagar's Opinion Is.....

[Glenn]

Point of the thread is that Hagar threw his opinion out there and I think it's safe to say he's pretty much dead on right about it...

Soto sounds like Soto and can still sing the classic Journey....

[odessa]

Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot.

No, Augeri didn't always suck at all. He did an important job that kept this band on the road aftr Perry did not want to tour.

I do NOT want this to be an Augeri bashing forum and think he deserves a little more respect than this.

Hallelujah, Andrew!

Jeez.... the Penny has dropped... but too late... this is a major "Augeri -raping", drop off point for a small handful of sicko's.. who need to "get over it"

Im glad that the forum owner has spoken up.... now please stop insulting the guys whole back catalogue and tenure with the band!!

The same argument should be applied to Perry, but it is not. Some people who support Augeri, still seem to find comfort is disparaging everything Perry...many years after the fact. It’s as if they are in a time warp- of their own choosing. They’ll do it on every issue. I don’t get upset about it at all. I recognize that there are ignorant people out there, who will find any stick they can, to beat Perry with (years after the fact) yet expect no negative comments made toward Augeri and tapegate. I guess they can finally understand how it feel to support someone who is constantly being bashed! Once I start to recognize the pattern of these Perry bashing rabid fans, I generally ignore them. Some are blatant and some try to be subtle, but the agenda is the same. I simply refuse to waste my time with people “stuck on stupid (mode) that can’t get off”!

Frankly, I think what is causing the Augeri bashing, is the bands lack of *official* updates on the situation. The constant lack of communication on important issues, is disturbing. People want to hear from the band about updates on Augeri. It hasn’t happened. Officially, there has not been any closure with Augeri and Tapegate. It’s still an open wound. In Perry’s case, he has not been in the band for years, but some people (loosers) will never allow the wound to heal. In Augeri’s case, it’s still fresh because the band (officially) won’t allow it to heal, so neither can the people. In turn, some people will not be able to fully bond with JSS, until the official switch is made.

Please remember, Augeri only left (with the scandal) in July. We are in August now! Augeri is “officially” still the lead singer of the band. Jeff is noted as (officially) “just filing in”. As long as the band doesn’t change the status and *officially* separate from Augeri, as they did with Perry, the fires from the scandal (technically) still smolder.

The band is making it appear that there has not been any *official* detached and there is still a slight chance of Augeri coming back. Due to this, the topic cannot end. When Augeri is officially released from the band or says so, I will agree with you 100%.

I am not a fan of Mr Augeri, but do wish him well as- long as he is not in the band.

[odessa]

Point of the thread is that Hagar threw his opinion out there and I think it's safe to say he's pretty much dead on right about it...

Soto sounds like Soto and can still sing the classic Journey....

I 100% agree with you!

[odessa]

Spinning Changing Lower Ranger; whatever it was; sufice to say that it still attracted an audience

Saying that Perry's voice changed with time is not an insult.

It's time now u Perryfreaks get over that.

You are correct about the vocal issue. I like the vocal change.

I think the reason Perry fans get defensive about the issue (and can see it as a slur) is because there are people (normally fans of Mr Augeri) who try to attached a negative connotation to Perry’s vocal changes- all the while ignoring (or making excuses) for the more recent issues that engulfed the band.

[PROPERRY]

Spinning Changing Lower Ranger; whatever it was; sufice to say that it still attracted an audience

Saying that Perry's voice changed with time is not an insult.

It's time now u Perryfreaks get over that.

Yes, Perry's voice has changed with time. I presume that happens to all singers, so that is NOT an insult to Perry at all. As far as I'm concerned HE can sing in ANY KEY that is right for him & THAT VOICE would still have ME coming back for MORE, MORE, MORE!!!

Perry fans have had this discussion here before many times.As I recall it, they have never had any issues with Perry's voice changes,so you should try getting over your personal hang ups with Perry fans and stop making "off the wall" statements that DO NOT APPLY to us.

Lori

[atthistime]

Great post, Lori. How come all the real intelligent posts here are from women?

[Clasicrockldy]

Great post, Lori. How come all the real intelligent posts here are from women?

Because we think things out logically !

[Argus]

Great post, Lori. How come all the real intelligent posts here are from women?

I'm crushed j/k

[Deb]

Great post, Lori. How come all the real intelligent posts here are from women?

Because we think things out logically !

Good one!

And you're right TNC, I don't see his voice change as an insult. I don't give a shit what key he sings in. It is the feeling/emotion he puts in a song and the delivery of it that is very unique.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There were a few special moments (2-3 songs off of each CD/LP

That's the way it's almost always has been.
I swear, if "Departure" was released tommorow, fans like yourself would complain that the whole album is shit with the exception for "Any Way You Want It".

The majority of the songs were weak and marked a huge departure from the Journey early 80s sound.

That's bogus.
In fact, most people's chief criticism of "Arrival" is that it tried waaay to hard to re-capure their 80's sound.
Does "Higher Place" sound like thrash metal to your or something?

[Angiekay]

Great post, Lori. How come all the real intelligent posts here are from women?

Because we are the intelligent gender?

[Glenn]

The main problem with Arrival was it had too many songs and too many ballads.


Red 13 had more substance and it was only 4 songs.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perry fans have had this discussion here before many times.As I recall it, they have never had any issues with Perry's voice changes,so you should try getting over your personal hang ups with Perry fans and stop making "off the wall" statements that DO NOT APPLY to us.

Lori

Yeah, because my comment flew straight out of my ass, right?
Perhaps you failed to notice, but I was responding to one of your kin who took umbruge at me having the nerve to say Perry's voice changed.
Go douche with boric acid.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And you're right TNC, I don't see his voice change as an insult. I don't give a shit what key he sings in. It is the feeling/emotion he puts in a song and the delivery of it that is very unique.

Agreed. Your sanity is very refreshing. Thank you.

[Glenn]

Great post, Lori. How come all the real intelligent posts here are from women?

Because we think things out logically !

Good one!

And you're right TNC, I don't see his voice change as an insult. I don't give a shit what key he sings in. It is the feeling/emotion he puts in a song and the delivery of it that is very unique.

Well said. Doesn't matter how good your voice is...You need the "Feeling/Emotion" to carry it through.

[Matthew]

There were a few special moments (2-3 songs off of each CD/LP

That's the way it's almost always has been.
I swear, if "Departure" was released tommorow, fans like yourself would complain that the whole album is shit with the exception for "Any Way You Want It".

The majority of the songs were weak and marked a huge departure from the Journey early 80s sound.

In fact, most people's chief criticism of "Arrival" is that it tried waaay to hard to re-capure their 80's sound.

I totally agree....that was exactly the problem with "Arrival".

[The_Noble_Cause]

When You Love A Woman came what, 13 years after you say his voice became "ragged." Although it's not my favorite song, it DOES show that his voice was far, far from ragged. Ragged is what forced Augeri to go to tapes.

Yeah, but Augeri sounds better than I have ever heard him on "Generations".
So that argument is kinda, well, shit.

[Saint John]

When You Love A Woman came what, 13 years after you say his voice became "ragged." Although it's not my favorite song, it DOES show that his voice was far, far from ragged. Ragged is what forced Augeri to go to tapes.

Yeah, but Augeri sounds better than I have ever heard him on "Generations".
So that argument is kinda, well, shit.

Augeri sounds like complete shit on Generations. The band knew it too. That "spreading the wealth" bullshit was a weak attempt to cover the fact that their lead singer was inept. Deen is the only one with a decent voice on that album. That album is complete garbage. So bad in fact, that they had to disguise it as a giveaway.

[Clasicrockldy]

When You Love A Woman came what, 13 years after you say his voice became "ragged." Although it's not my favorite song, it DOES show that his voice was far, far from ragged. Ragged is what forced Augeri to go to tapes.

Yeah, but Augeri sounds better than I have ever heard him on "Generations".
So that argument is kinda, well, shit.

Augeri sounds like complete shit on Generations. The band knew it too. That "spreading the wealth" bullshit was a weak attempt to cover the fact that their lead singer was inept. Deen is the only one with a decent voice on that album. That album is complete garbage. So bad in fact, that they had to disguise it as a giveaway.

And the giveaway that someone kindly sent me made my computer go nuts ! Everytime I put it in.......... things didn't work.

[Saint John]

When You Love A Woman came what, 13 years after you say his voice became "ragged." Although it's not my favorite song, it DOES show that his voice was far, far from ragged. Ragged is what forced Augeri to go to tapes.

Yeah, but Augeri sounds better than I have ever heard him on "Generations".
So that argument is kinda, well, shit.

Augeri sounds like complete shit on Generations. The band knew it too. That "spreading the wealth" bullshit was a weak attempt to cover the fact that their lead singer was inept. Deen is the only one with a decent voice on that album. That album is complete garbage. So bad in fact, that they had to disguise it as a giveaway.

And the giveaway that someone kindly sent me made my computer go nuts ! Everytime I put it in.......... things didn't work.

That was your computer's way of saying, "Don't ever put shit like that in me again!"

[Clasicrockldy]

When You Love A Woman came what, 13 years after you say his voice became "ragged." Although it's not my favorite song, it DOES show that his voice was far, far from ragged. Ragged is what forced Augeri to go to tapes.

Yeah, but Augeri sounds better than I have ever heard him on "Generations".
So that argument is kinda, well, shit.

Augeri sounds like complete shit on Generations. The band knew it too. That "spreading the wealth" bullshit was a weak attempt to cover the fact that their lead singer was inept. Deen is the only one with a decent voice on that album. That album is complete garbage. So bad in fact, that they had to disguise it as a giveaway.

And the giveaway that someone kindly sent me made my computer go nuts ! Everytime I put it in.......... things didn't work.

That was your computer's way of saying, "Don't ever put shit like that in me again!"

That is so true, John, that cd got retired to a box in my closet !

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri sounds like complete shit on Generations.

I own everything Augeri has ever done. In my opinion, this is the best he has ever sounded. If you don't like his voice here, I strongly advise you stay away from Tyketto or Tall Stories. Nowhere nearly as polished.....

The band knew it too. That "spreading the wealth" bullshit was a weak attempt to cover the fact that their lead singer was inept.

I agree. The multiple vox was an attempt to help Steve out.
Afterall, why give him the brunt of songs on the album when he wouldn't be able to sing them live anyways.
With that said, he sounds fantastic on this album.
They probably pro-tooled it to death.

Deen is the only one with a decent voice on that album. That album is complete garbage. So bad in fact, that they had to disguise it as a giveaway.

With a few tweaks here and there, i would rank it right up with "Frontiers".
Some clunkers, but some great stuff, as well.

[ArnelRox]

[Yes, Perry's voice has changed with time. I presume that happens to all singers, so that is NOT an insult to Perry at all. As far as I'm concerned HE can sing in ANY KEY that is right for him & THAT VOICE would still have ME coming back for MORE, MORE, MORE!!!

Finally a voice of sanity speaking here. Perry can sing in any key, any song, any voice he wants. It's not the high notes. It's not the low notes. It's not the song. It's not the music. It's not the lyrics. It's the WAY he sings. It takes my breath away. It makes me stop what I'm doing. He pulls me into the song. He massages my ears. He brings up emotions I didn't think I even had. He grabs my heart right out of my chest. It's the voice. It's what he puts into his singing. Not the notes he hits or the timbre of his voice. I can hear that voice anytime anywhere & it affects me the same way. I'd know that voice if he was singing a jingle for McDonalds or reciting the phone book musically. Thank God someone else gets this. No one else has or has had that quality in singing. Elvis maybe. But no one else in my era & no one since. Maybe someone will in the future. But so far it hasn't happened. For the love of God or the devil or whoever u worship: Perry did not lose his voice. It's still there. It always has been. If we're really really good little boys & girls (& whatever else frequents this board), maybe one of these days, he'll let us hear it again.

[Marc S]

That said, pro-tooled to hell or not (what modern recording isn't?) Augeri sounds excellent on Arrival. Its a very creditable album. Its blindingly obvious that Schon and the rest of them wanted the replacement to sound like Perry, karaoke or not, no excuses, they wanted to tap into the fanbase that wanted Journey to sound like...well, Journey. He was always a soundalike and a bloody good one he was too, bearing in mind the unique physical attributes of Perry's lungs/chest/diaphram/throat/nasal cavities etc etc. He did a great job in the studio. It went wrong when his voice gave out and they got themselves into deep shit with whatever has been going on with live augmentation. Why crucify Augeri for a decision that was made and sanctioned at band level. That makes Schon, Castro, Cain, Valory et al fakes too, if its true, surely.

[Red13JoePa]

And you're right TNC, I don't see his voice change as an insult. I don't give a shit what key he sings in. It is the feeling/emotion he puts in a song and the delivery of it that is very unique.

Agreed. Your sanity is very refreshing. Thank you.

Christ, he sounded SO much better and cooler from ESC4P3 on when the adolescent shrill sqeal finally left forever. Imagine Stone In Love or Separate Ways or Be Good To Yourself with those sqeals....they'd be nowhere near as cool songs.

[Red13JoePa]

When You Love A Woman came what, 13 years after you say his voice became "ragged." Although it's not my favorite song, it DOES show that his voice was far, far from ragged. Ragged is what forced Augeri to go to tapes.

Yeah, but Augeri sounds better than I have ever heard him on "Generations".
So that argument is kinda, well, shit.

Augeri sounds like complete shit on Generations. The band knew it too. That "spreading the wealth" bullshit was a weak attempt to cover the fact that their lead singer was inept. Deen is the only one with a decent voice on that album. That album is complete garbage. So bad in fact, that they had to disguise it as a giveaway.

Your agenda obscures your objectivity. Augeri's vox made a quantam leap forward on Gens....whatever happened the duo of Elson/Fraser seemed to work for Augeri. Somebody knew it, too, b/c he's far more upfront than Arrival and Red13. The 9 vocals he did for Generations, especially FITH and TPIYH to me represent the studio performance of his career. It's a paradox, given the sufferance he's been going through presumably since early '05 but if it ends up being his coda w/ Jrny he went out w/ a goddam bang.

[Deb]

And you're right TNC, I don't see his voice change as an insult. I don't give a shit what key he sings in. It is the feeling/emotion he puts in a song and the delivery of it that is very unique.

Agreed. Your sanity is very refreshing. Thank you.

Christ, he sounded SO much better and cooler from ESC4P3 on when the adolescent shrill sqeal finally left forever. Imagine Stone In Love or Separate Ways or Be Good To Yourself with those sqeals....they'd be nowhere near as cool songs.

I agree, although I love the old stuff.......I would rather listen to the old stuff LIVE. His voice seemed higher on the studio cds than on the 78/79/80 boots. Every single LIVE version I have ever heard of Lovin Touchin Squeezin is better than the studio.......more raw, sexy and vocals aren't as high. I went to an Escape concert and although I totally loved it, I really wish I would have gone to a 79/80 concert (Departure). Man, would have loved to have heard songs like Daydream, Next, Just the Same Way, Anytime, etc. LIVE. Saying that, I prefer his vocals from Escape on also, I like the timbre better....especially the raw, husky earthy tone of the later stuff. But lets face it, the guy is a chameleon in his looks and his vocals......that's why we are all so intrigued still to this day.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Your agenda obscures your objectivity. Augeri's vox made a quantam leap forward on Gens....whatever happened the duo of Elson/Fraser seemed to work for Augeri. Somebody knew it, too, b/c he's far more upfront than Arrival and Red13. The 9 vocals he did for Generations, especially FITH and TPIYH to me represent the studio performance of his career. It's a paradox, given the sufferance he's been going through presumably since early '05 but if it ends up being his coda w/ Jrny he went out w/ a goddam bang.

I agree. Say what you will about Augeri's in-concert struggles, but he sounds great on "Generations".

[Monker]

Great post, Lori. How come all the real intelligent posts here are from women?

Because we are the intelligent gender?

So, when RND and TNC go about calling me a girl, they are actually complimenting me on how smart I am...Cool!

[Calbear94]

Augeri did the best he could with sub-par Journey material.

Arrival had good moments, but Neal's playing changed drastically (quantity rather than quality). The ballads were too polished and the rockers not polished enough. Remember Me should have been included on that album with a max of 10 other songs.

Red 13 was Augeri at his best...interesting possible direction for Journey, but didn't go well enough with the fans.

On Generations, Neal took advantage of complaints by fans over Arrival and Red 13, to merge the creative direction of Journey with that of Soul Sirkus. Neal is making piss poor decisions, but in a way he has been responding to the most vocal of the diehard fans who have demanded a more raw sound. Successful tours likely convince him that he is right. My feeling is that Journey still draws because it is Journey. Eight years later a good chunk of fans going to concerts discover that Perry has been replaced.

JSS-led Journey is more like Soul Sirkus than any past incarnation of Journey. They could probably tour a few years with Soto, but then people would start to catch on that Journey has changed so significantly. I'd expect that attendance at shows would then start to drop.