Marysville 8-27-06

[Liam]

Damn, why are the shit boots out there, why couldn't have someone put one of Irvine, Vegas or even Mt. View? Sacramento was a 3rd in a row for us, not as confident as previous nights, u know!

Be careful Jeffie....If the red state retards, er, Back Talkers see you said "shit" they may disapprove of you. I mean come on, they don't like your holy jeans! Now, be a fuckin gentleman!

Deano, give Jeff a break ! You have seen how Neal talks in interviews.......... He isn't an angel ! I wonder how they take that over there..........

There's an edit button implanted in ALL of their minds.

[Rockindeano]

Deano was right....Cain has no fucking business playing a 2 minute solo when its a short and rocking set. He gets Open Arms and thats it....

Dammit. Come on. I said before, There is a reason for the solo. JSS wants a solo if it is perhaps the 3rd night of back to backs....that way, they can cut a song like OTY...and give him a break...He isn't on tape you know.

[fred_journeyman]

Freddy, I love you man, but a raw boot, WITHOUT pro tools is EXACTLY what the band soundedlike. This is an audience boot!

Sorry, Dean, you're not making sense, at least to me.

Yes, I know it's an audience boot, but come on, Dean, WHAT were they using to record it with? You've got top notch mics, amps, and a sound system that could knock anyone's socks off driving the whole thing that's happening on stage.

Tell me that whatever was being used to record the boot from the audience was NOT overpowered and constantly clipping? I had to turn my desktop Jenson speakers DOWN just to get the bass drum at a tolerable level. It still over powered the vocals, not to mention the boot recorded the band AFTER THE FACT. When you do a live remote, you record directly from instruments/mics TO the board. You don't record from the sound amps that the audience hears. If they did, Captured would have sounded like sh*t with all the secondary reverberation and echo, but it still would've sounded infinitely better than what was used to record this latest boot because of the pro equipment they used then.

There is NO way that what we heard was an accurate reflection of what the band sounded like. I guarantee that what was being used to record the boot couldn't even capture half of the dynamics (if that), which is why some of it sounded like mud. The recorder used did the best job it could, but I guarantee it wasn't built for the purpose of accurately recording live rock concerts.

[Rockindeano]

Oh shit Fred...I gotcha.

I was thinking, this person had a hand held tape or DAT player and it STILL sounds great.

I see where you are comin from...My bad.

[Clasicrockldy]

Fred, I don't know all the tech stuff........ but when I hear the boot, it brings me back to the show and I can hear it the way it was meant to be heard. You get what I am saying?

[JrnySuxBalls]

The guy used a mini disc recorder, and sure the low end is powerful but it's not clipping on my system.

[treetopovskaya]

did jss say it was late?

lol!

nite gramps! };C))

[fred_journeyman]

Oh shit Fred...I gotcha.

I was thinking, this person had a hand held tape or DAT player and it STILL sounds great.

I see where you are comin from...My bad.

Ah, good. For a minute there, I was beginning to think that we were not on the same page.

[fred_journeyman]

The guy used a mini disc recorder, and sure the low end is powerful but it's not clipping on my system.

No, what I'm saying is that it MAY have been OVERPOWERED while recording and possibly CLIPPING while recording. I used to have a really nice mini-disc recording unit that I ran through my sound system and while the recorded results were very good, it wasn't built for recording full blown rock concerts...over the air AFTER the music/sound came OUT of the sound system.

Here is my MAIN point folks...while the boot might sound good to some, I do not believe that it is an accurate reflection of what the band actually sounds like IN PERSON. That's my only point. It's actually a compliment.

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, I don't know all the tech stuff........ but when I hear the boot, it brings me back to the show and I can hear it the way it was meant to be heard. You get what I am saying?

Yes, I understand you perfectly. Your memory fills in any "blanks" that the recorder either did not pick up or didn't do a great job recording.

[Clasicrockldy]

Exactly Fred ! Thanks !

[JrnySuxBalls]

The guy used a mini disc recorder, and sure the low end is powerful but it's not clipping on my system.

No, what I'm saying is that it MAY have been OVERPOWERED while recording and possibly CLIPPING while recording. I used to have a really nice mini-disc recording unit that I ran through my sound system and while the recorded results were very good, it wasn't built for recording full blown rock concerts...over the air AFTER the music/sound came OUT of the sound system.

The specs say he used an MD recorder with a battery box with the bass roll off on. Good thing.
Yes, these are designed for recording concerts.

Again I don't hear much clipping on my end, not to say there isn't any tho. But these boots are
not intended for record label release, they're for personal enjoyment. I'd be more thankful to the
guy for sharing it with us, rather than comparing it to an official CD.

[geminix]

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CD to hear a "perfect, unwinded performance". It's funny. Steve Perry used to run all over the stage and HE never had any pitch problems . Jeff, I'm glad you are having fun with the band and you've brought back this incredible energy they haven't seen in a LONG time. I really hope it continues. Good luck to you.

[JSS]

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CD to hear a "perfect, unwinded performance". It's funny. Steve Perry used to run all over the stage and HE never had any pitch problems . Jeff, I'm glad you are having fun with the band and you've brought back this incredible energy they haven't seen in a LONG time. I really hope it continues. Good luck to you.

Never, huh? Guess all I've really ever heard live are the released, 'chosen' shows....some boots I've had a taste of were only as early/late as ROR, love the dude perfect or not (there were a coupla clunkers, our boy isn't a robot either, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)...we all have our nights, but then again, no excuses, wish I had a boot of him singing Stand Up from the Rock Star movie

[geminix]

Never, huh? Guess all I've really ever heard live are the released, 'chosen' shows....some boots I've had a taste of were only as early/late as ROR, love the dude perfect or not (there were a coupla clunkers, our boy isn't a robot either, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)...we all have our nights, but then again, no excuses, wish I had a boot of him singing Stand Up from the Rock Star movie

Let me rephrase...Never with Journey
Have a good night Jeff. And thank you so much for allowing our favorite band to continue to entertain all of us, and a SPECIAL thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to come chat with us. That really means more to us than you could possibly imagine. Take care.

[larryfromnextdoor]

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CD to hear a "perfect, unwinded performance". It's funny. Steve Perry used to run all over the stage and HE never had any pitch problems . Jeff, I'm glad you are having fun with the band and you've brought back this incredible energy they haven't seen in a LONG time. I really hope it continues. Good luck to you.

Never, huh? Guess all I've really ever heard live are the released, 'chosen' shows....some boots I've had a taste of were only as early/late as ROR, love the dude perfect or not (there were a coupla clunkers, our boy isn't a robot either, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)...we all have our nights, but then again, no excuses, wish I had a boot of him singing Stand Up from the Rock Star movie

wow,, jss knows how to "own" ,, keep rockin dude,, your our boy,, dont listen too,, nor try to convert the weak minded ...........you do just fine.

[Clasicrockldy]

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CD to hear a "perfect, unwinded performance". It's funny. Steve Perry used to run all over the stage and HE never had any pitch problems . Jeff, I'm glad you are having fun with the band and you've brought back this incredible energy they haven't seen in a LONG time. I really hope it continues. Good luck to you.

Never, huh? Guess all I've really ever heard live are the released, 'chosen' shows....some boots I've had a taste of were only as early/late as ROR, love the dude perfect or not (there were a coupla clunkers, our boy isn't a robot either, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)...we all have our nights, but then again, no excuses, wish I had a boot of him singing Stand Up from the Rock Star movie

Is it called just "Stand Up" or "Stand Up and Shout"?

[yulog]

does anyone have a "good " boot i mean a boot that shows that JSS sounds awesome throughout the show im still willing to be objective but i havent heard anything yet that has changed my mind about the original boots

[fred_journeyman]

The specs say he used an MD recorder with a battery box with the bass roll off on. Good thing.
Yes, these are designed for recording concerts.

Dude, I do not want to argue with you about specs. You are missing my point entirely. I'm certain that your friend's recorder might possibly be used to record a concert, but NOT OVER THE AIR!!! Am I making sense? It's done THROUGH the sound board...DIRECT.

Again I don't hear much clipping on my end, not to say there isn't any tho. But these boots are not intended for record label release, they're for personal enjoyment. I'd be more thankful to the guy for sharing it with us, rather than comparing it to an official CD.

Am I freakin' speaking GREEK? You won't HEAR the clipping on your end. The recorder is only capable of recording certain dynamics and then simply leaves all the rest out WHEN IT IS RECORDED OVER THE AIR LIKE IT WAS AT MARYSVILLE!

My point is this...as good as the band MIGHT sound to some with this latest boot (and I am of the opinion that they sound GOOD!), it is NOT indicative of the way they ACTUALLY sound...live, in concert. I am NOT BAGGIN' the band. I'm NOT complaining about the sound quality. I'm NOT doing anything other than saying that as GOOD AS SOME MIGHT THINK THIS BOOT SOUNDS, IT DOES NOT SOUND AS GOOD AS IF YOU WERE RIGHT THERE, LISTENING TO THE BAND! I do not know how to say it any differently, so tell you what...you get the last word on this, all right? I'm done with it.

[fred_journeyman]

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CD to hear a "perfect, unwinded performance". It's funny. Steve Perry used to run all over the stage and HE never had any pitch problems . Jeff, I'm glad you are having fun with the band and you've brought back this incredible energy they haven't seen in a LONG time. I really hope it continues. Good luck to you.

You've never heard any Journey boots then, when Perry was fronting the band. I have one during ROR where he didn't sound good at all. Actually, the ROR live concert I have was a pro-recording direct to Japan, I believe. He was not "on" during that concert. His voice cracks several times throughout the concert and his voice just sounded tired...besides, wasn't the ROR tour cancelled half-way through due to Perry's health problems? There was no hip problem mentioned at that point, but my understanding was that he was having problems with his voice.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I'm NOT doing anything other than saying that as GOOD AS SOME MIGHT THINK THIS BOOT SOUNDS, IT DOES NOT SOUND AS GOOD AS IF YOU WERE RIGHT THERE, LISTENING TO THE BAND! I do not know how to say it any differently, so tell you what...you get the last word on this, all right? I'm done with it.

Whoa! I'm not arguing anything, I have to agree it's much better in person than a MD recording,
absolutely. It's a mic picking up the P.A. mix, so you get what you get.

It's good for an audience boot, but nothing can replace the "real thing".

[McNeil]

Hey, been gone a few weeks, what I miss?

feel hes "reaching" a bit here n there..... and Im convinced his voice will be knackered after a couple years of this...totally convinced!!

Yup. Still reaching on "Stone in Love". He's a bit flat because of it. Same with "Ask the Lonely". However, IF he takes care of himself, maybe he can gain a note in his range by singing higher songs like this and learning to sing the higher stuff correctly.
This is the best I've heard him on this tour though, but he still sounds tired. He's got more power than Augeri, but he doesn't have the range. Power is cool, but range is necessary as well, especially for this catalog. His stage banter is pretty weak to me "put yer hands to the sky everybody" and saying "baby" all the time sounds dated. Still, I like the soul of his voice. He's gotta little brutha inside of him struggling to get out!

Um, "Keep on Runnin'" you guys CANNOT be serious that this is a vocal you'd expect from JOURNEY. Listen to the "It's Okay"'s at the end of the verses. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Flat. This guy CANNOT do the job. Either that or yank the songs out of the set that he has problems with. It's horribly flat. Jesus, have Castronovo do those lines.
Decent set list, but the songs need to be lowered to accommodate the singer.

I DO like the power that the band's playing with. Deen especially seems to be hitting the drums much harder. They should always have this power, but the lead vocals are not going to work. They're better than they were when JSS first came on, but they're still not up to par.
NEAL- LOWER THE SONG KEYS AND YOU WILL HAVE IT ALL. If you don't, it'll be another singer soon.

WHY doesn't the band help Jeff out with this??? (or Steve for that matter).

Played it over n over by now, and yea..it still all boils down to lowering the keys to one or two of the real nasties...

JSS has now had time to acclimatise...he is defo "reaching" for a number of the real high notes..and as a result is singing "flat" on them... like Brywool said...love the power he has, but range is right at the very top end of his ability...its ganna wreck him!!

[McNeil]

Totally stops the momentum. I actually think that SSB keeps it from kicking off with a bang too.

I believe it was said that SSB is a chance for the DL fans not familiar with the talent of Neal Schon to get a good dose of his prowess as well as get everyone on their feet at the get go.

Hmm. I guess, but still, kind of a waste. I'd rather hear "Where Were You"

Sounds like Deen's voice is getting rougher too. Anybody notice that on Open Arms?

Mmmm.. Seems that Deens voice is gettin rather "thinner" than it was... kinda starting to sound like "Hugo" sounding like "Perry" .. I thought it was gonna give out at one point.... I reckon the sound guys have Deens master vol fader up waaay high about now... prob no more headroom for a boost!!

Jeez... vocal train-wrecks come thick n fast dont they!

[McNeil]

Deano was right....Cain has no fucking business playing a 2 minute solo when its a short and rocking set. He gets Open Arms and thats it....

Easy.....There is a reason Cain plays a solo or two......

and........................

When JSS needs a bit of a vocal rest, Cain will do an extra solo, or Neal will do one....and they e might axe Only the Young.


Pretty smart, eh?

No... not smart at all..its an admission that the front man is not up to the task.... and an admission that they are unable to play some of their back catalogue... man...u think thats smart...your blowing hot air outta your ass man!!

[treetopovskaya]

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I guess we'll have to wait for the next CD to hear a "perfect, unwinded performance". It's funny. Steve Perry used to run all over the stage and HE never had any pitch problems . Jeff, I'm glad you are having fun with the band and you've brought back this incredible energy they haven't seen in a LONG time. I really hope it continues. Good luck to you.

Never, huh? Guess all I've really ever heard live are the released, 'chosen' shows....some boots I've had a taste of were only as early/late as ROR, love the dude perfect or not (there were a coupla clunkers, our boy isn't a robot either, wink-wink, nudge-nudge)...we all have our nights, but then again, no excuses, wish I had a boot of him singing Stand Up from the Rock Star movie

Is it called just "Stand Up" or "Stand Up and Shout"?

}:CDD

[r@y]

Deano was right....Cain has no fucking business playing a 2 minute solo when its a short and rocking set. He gets Open Arms and thats it....

Easy.....There is a reason Cain plays a solo or two......

and........................

When JSS needs a bit of a vocal rest, Cain will do an extra solo, or Neal will do one....and they e might axe Only the Young.


Pretty smart, eh?

No... not smart at all..its an admission that the front man is not up to the task.... and an admission that they are unable to play some of their back catalogue... man...u think thats smart...your blowing hot air outta your ass man!!

Dude, easy....

Whilst JSS is a good singer, he is not a machine....

So he needs a breather at times, and what are the audience gonna do, twiddle their thumbs waiting for the lead singer take a break..? C'mon...

Hence, the little solo's you hear once in a while...

You're saying there never was any soloing during Perry's tenure...?


Ray

[treetopovskaya]

people... stop listening to boots & get your asses to a LIVE show. i am telling you... these boots don't do jss or the rest any justice. }:C)

[treetopovskaya]

Deano was right....Cain has no fucking business playing a 2 minute solo when its a short and rocking set. He gets Open Arms and thats it....

Easy.....There is a reason Cain plays a solo or two......

and........................

When JSS needs a bit of a vocal rest, Cain will do an extra solo, or Neal will do one....and they e might axe Only the Young.


Pretty smart, eh?

No... not smart at all..its an admission that the front man is not up to the task.... and an admission that they are unable to play some of their back catalogue... man...u think thats smart...your blowing hot air outta your ass man!!

Dude, easy....

Whilst JSS is a good singer, he is not a machine....

So he needs a breather at times, and what are the audience gonna do, twiddle their thumbs waiting for the lead singer take a break..? C'mon...

Hence, the little solo's you hear once in a while...

You're saying there never was any soloing during Perry's tenure...?


Ray

not only that but can you say you never heard sp sound a bit iffy at times?

[yulog]

i personally didn't hear perry sound off but we are talking 83 up and tried to see him at FTLOSM and he cancelled for a throat infection-geez im going to try that at work sometime see if i can get 2 months off anyway a boot is a boot whether its Perry , Augeri or Soto i think there all pretty much at a level playing field right . if they are going to stick to the hits im seeing problems if the problem is moving around on the stage so much well seems pretty logical to try not to move so much and focus on hitting those tuff parts i personally could care less if someone is jumping all over the stage running all over the place --when i was 20 maybe that was important but now if im going to a show i want to be able to say "wow that was so clean, clear they were so on tonight" when that happens im psyched to see them again i wont go if a band is struggling with the sound------if they are going to do a new cd with JSS and i like it id love to see them but---they are still going to play all the greatest hits and then what 2 of the new songs that Jeff does with them---again not really worth my time in my book.Dont get me wrong -would love for Journey to continue but i have to have interest and if there sound isnt there im going to lose interest, im okay with change - i liked the new stuff that they did with Augeri trust me with all the shit thats played on FM these days the worst songs from the last 3 cds are still easier to listen to then whats out on top 40 this whole thing with Augeri sucks i really like this guy and i didnt go to any of the so called bad shows i kind of understand some of Deano's anger however i dont have anywhere near as much hate for him--------myself i have a problem with Barry bonds going to be a home run king when everyone knows that he is a cheat a liar and a loser---bear with me this is similar here you have this hall of fame baseball player who gets jealous that mcguire is getting more attention then him so he goes out and becomes more of a juice monster than Mcguire then lies when he is caught and still stays in the game after everyone knows hes juiced ,he would have retired respectably with numbers like Willie mays but he couldnt accept that so if someone tries to tell me hes not juiced i usually will go after barry in arguement because he deserves it but i believe hes in his own hell i dont have to do anything major to help that along but he let his fans down and in some ways i feel he deserves to be where he is- ive been telling people since the 80's that people in sports were doing steroids hell ive treated tons of people for steroid abuse but no one listened to me and now finally the truth is coming out--so you can see how someone can become maybe over involved with there passion about someone who they respected who let them down

[Jeremey]

EHHHH (sound of buzzer on Family Feud)....wrong!

No trade offs, Deen sings his tunes, I sing mine, I'll let you know when you're right though

Damn, why are the shit boots out there, why couldn't have someone put one of Irvine, Vegas or even Mt. View? Sacramento was a 3rd in a row for us, not as confident as previous nights, u know!

As well, before u go blowing horns about pitch, see the show, see the energy going back & forth, if I sat on a stool all night, you might get a perfect, unwinded performance, a boot doesn't show me jumping off risers & running from 1 end of the stage to the other...ok, back to your critique, some here have seen the 'reason' things aren't pitch perfect, but just the same, they enjoyed the 'show'.

I'm out, gotta get my ugly sleep...far too late for beauty sleep!

Sorry, man - It did sound like 2 different voices to my ears - You've got a very distinctive head voice! And I wasn't commenting on any pitch problems, this recording is miles beyond the CLT and ATL recordings out there (and as you know I was in the audience in CLT)....

Later, Dude!