This Band can Now Make a "Comeback."

[Andrew]

Anyway....I have not posted a message to you, so why are you commenting on this matter?

Yeah, you posted it to me...and I replied to it and you ignored it.

But I did NOT post a message to A Fire Inside to comment on.

And frankly, the arguing between you and a few others does't deserve a warning. You are all as bad as each other and while it is only you 3 fighting, go ahead and waste as much time as you like doing so.

[Monker]

Anyway....I have not posted a message to you, so why are you commenting on this matter?

Yeah, you posted it to me...and I replied to it and you ignored it.

But I did NOT post a message to A Fire Inside to comment on.

And frankly, the arguing between you and a few others does't deserve a warning. You are all as bad as each other and while it is only you 3 fighting, go ahead and waste as much time as you like doing so.

Well, I'm not going to get into an argument about this...so, this is all I'm going to say about it:

You posted it on a public message board...where EVERYBODY is free to comment on it. If you wanted to say something that only I could comment on, that is why there is PM and Email. That has always been my stance when peole say the "I didn't say that to you, so why are you commenting..."

Everybody brings up the 'free speech' line as to why they are allowed to get away with things. Now you single me out for telling JSS EXACTLY what I think of the situation and even explain it to him in more detail as HE requested. What I think AFI is saying, and I agree with, is that it seems like you are singling me out when there is all kinds of other crap going on in this forum.

So, that's where I stand on this...and I'm not saying any more about it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Now you single me out for telling JSS EXACTLY what I think of the situation and even explain it to him in more detail as HE requested.

This is no different than the 'Heads crucifying Augeri before he was given an fair shake.
JSS is not a heavy metal singer and no, contrary to what you think, he will not turn the band into Metallica and drive down ticket sales.
Andrew may have a high threshold for diverse opinions, but he draws the line at your unprecedented idiocy.
Who wouldn't?
Now go re-join your aunts and uncles in the orgy already in progress.

[conversationpc]

You posted it on a public message board...where EVERYBODY is free to comment on it. If you wanted to say something that only I could comment on, that is why there is PM and Email. That has always been my stance when peole say the "I didn't say that to you, so why are you commenting..."

Everybody brings up the 'free speech' line as to why they are allowed to get away with things. Now you single me out for telling JSS EXACTLY what I think of the situation and even explain it to him in more detail as HE requested. What I think AFI is saying, and I agree with, is that it seems like you are singling me out when there is all kinds of other crap going on in this forum.

I gotta agree with Monker on this one. If someone posts something on the board for all to see, don't be pissed if others respond with their own thoughts. Use PMs and email if you don't want others responding.

[Monker]

This is no different than the 'Heads crucifying Augeri before he was given an fair shake.

And, YOU 'crucify' Augeri...even though Andrew has said he doesn't want this forum used for that. And, YOU have 'crucified' Perry in the past. And, YOU even said similar things to JSS.

And, others here have done exactly the same thing.

And, I wasn't 'crucifying' JSS in my posts that Andrew quoted and JSS replied to...I was being pretty mild compared to a LOT of the other stuff that is posted here. If he can't even handle the post that Andrew quoted, then he shouldn't even be reading this forum. The FACT is, he handled it VERY well...so why are you people complaining about it when JSS didn't even have a complaint about it?

JSS is not a heavy metal singer and no, contrary to what you think, he will not turn the band into Metallica and drive down ticket sales.

No...but, he, and Neal, will turn it into Soul SirkUS crossed with Journey...in fact, many people here WANT that to happen. My point is, was, and always will be - that is NOT what most Journey fans want.

Andrew may have a high threshold for diverse opinions, but he draws the line at your unprecedented idiocy.
Who wouldn't?

Then why are you still here? The fact is he explained himself, as I requested, and you are totaly wrong on your pressumptions.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, YOU 'crucify' Augeri...

No I don't.
In fact I wrote a positive post about the song "Beyond the Clouds" just the other day.
The point is, you're casting judgement on JSS before even seeing him- JUST like the Perryzealots mercilessly did to Steve A.
Also, I have seen and heard Augeri numerous times, own all his stuff, and therefore am fully capable of giving an informed opinion.

And, YOU have 'crucified' Perry in the past.

So what?
His tenure with the band is over.
I, as any other fan, am perfectly allowed to critique his era.

And, YOU even said similar things to JSS.

No I haven't.
Like any sane human being, I said I will reserve judgement until I see and hear the dude on stage.
I certainly have high hopes though.

And, I wasn't 'crucifying' JSS in my posts that Andrew quoted and JSS replied to

Yes you were.
You accuse him of everything under the sun.
From foresightedly saying he will lower ticket sales, to turning the band into a goth death metal act - you've done nothing but act like some street corner calamity howler, wearing a sandwhich board reading "THE END IS NEAR!".
Shit, now that Karr's been cleared I'm suprised you've yet to accuse JSS of cold blooded rape and murder.

The FACT is, he handled it VERY well...so why are you people complaining about it when JSS didn't even have a complaint about it?

Because your "points" have no basis in reality.
Like, JSS being exlusively a metal singer.
Ummm, since when?
That is no different than those that misrepresented Augeri as a former cover band singer.
You're just a cantankerous old bitch.
Isn't it time you douched out your ass?

[Rockindeano]

Isn't it time you douched out your ass?

THAT is some well thought out, provocative writing skills there folks. Awesome.

[Marabelle]

I gotta give the NC a hand on that one! Well thought out! Provocative. Brutal. Slam dunk. I bow to his cleverness.

I repeated RND...wow...it was good TNC...wow!

[Saint John]

And, YOU 'crucify' Augeri...

No I don't.
In fact I wrote a positive post about the song "Beyond the Clouds" just the other day.
The point is, you're casting judgement on JSS before even seeing him- JUST like the Perryzealots mercilessly did to Steve A.
Also, I have seen and heard Augeri numerous times, own all his stuff, and therefore am fully capable of giving an informed opinion.

And, YOU have 'crucified' Perry in the past.

So what?
His tenure with the band is over.
I, as any other fan, am perfectly allowed to critique his era.

And, YOU even said similar things to JSS.

No I haven't.
Like any sane human being, I said I will reserve judgement until I see and hear the dude on stage.
I certainly have high hopes though.

And, I wasn't 'crucifying' JSS in my posts that Andrew quoted and JSS replied to

Yes you were.
You accuse him of everything under the sun.
From foresightedly saying he will lower ticket sales, to turning the band into a goth death metal act - you've done nothing but act like some street corner calamity howler, wearing a sandwhich board reading "THE END IS NEAR!".
Shit, now that Karr's been cleared I'm suprised you've yet to accuse JSS of cold blooded rape and murder.

The FACT is, he handled it VERY well...so why are you people complaining about it when JSS didn't even have a complaint about it?

Because your "points" have no basis in reality.
Like, JSS being exlusively a metal singer.
Ummm, since when?
That is no different than those that misrepresented Augeri as a former cover band singer.
You're just a cantankerous old bitch.
Isn't it time you douched out your ass?

Monker, wave the White Flag already. TNC has been beating you daily for quite some time now. You're getting like Mike Tyson in that the only person that thinks you can still win is, well, you. I'm stopping this fight right now. You're bleeding out of your asshole. Enough is enough. See if Andrew will add a "Retards" forum to level the playing field for you. That is quickly what it's coming to.

[Marabelle]

it's late and i'm about to go to sleep...but Saint John? bleeding out his asshole? lol? omg...lol! [/list]

[Rockindeano]

it's late and i'm about to go to sleep...but Saint John? bleeding out his asshole? lol? omg...lol! [/list]

Maybe he is having his period?

[Eric]

Well, I read through all of this and all I can say is....

I am about as sick as I've ever been about anything reading about how Chalfant and Hugo are the better choices. Chalfant is okay, but come on. And HUGO....that is just insane. ENOUGH WITH HUGO. Listen to the band as they are right now. I even got my cousin who gave up on Journey back on the bandwagon. The momentum is there folks.

[Liz22562]

Monker should not wave the 'white' flag. He hasn't lost anything. As a matter of fact, I believe he is doing quite well taking up for himself against everyone else who is blasting him. So what if he doesn't take sides with RND? Neither have I and nor have several others on this forum.

What some of you refer to as "his whining" is nothing compared to the hate filled posts of others that have done nothing but trashed Augeri for the last several months or trashed those that disagree with anyone else that hasn't taken a side. It has been a never ending subject and extremely obvious as to who gets preferential treatment and who doesn't. Monker has every right to post his opinion as does anyone else. When this becomes a "post only if you believe THAT side of the story" forum, I'm sure Andrew will let us know.

Monker posted his 2 cents about JSS/Journey and JSS responded in kind with his 2 cents. Seemed respectable enough to me from either side of the fence and I didn't see either of the two beating each other with vile and repulsive remarks. That sort of tete-a-tete is a heck-of-a-lot more interesting to read than what has become the norm on here.

Besides, this is all about opinion and the last time I heard, everyone has one.

~Peace to all~

[Moon Beam]

Guess we've been told

Going back to my coffee and cig now.

[Liz22562]

By whom? I merely stated my opinion, tis all.

Peace~

[Moon Beam]

I was making a funny Liz, something I suck at
on most attemps.

[NealIsGod]

By whom? I merely stated my opinion, tis all.

And very well, Liz.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What some of you refer to as "his whining" is nothing compared to the hate filled posts of others that have done nothing but trashed Augeri for the last several months or trashed those that disagree with anyone else that hasn't taken a side. It has been a never ending subject and extremely obvious as to who gets preferential treatment and who doesn't. Monker has every right to post his opinion as does anyone else. When this becomes a "post only if you believe THAT side of the story" forum, I'm sure Andrew will let us know.

You're braindead.
Monker hasn't even seen JSS in action yet.
This is no different than the hate-filled attacks lunged Augeri's way the minute he was announced.
Do you always go out of your way to condone prejudice?

[Liz22562]

I'll be more than happy to pass along to the clients that I deal with on a daily basis that not only am I brain dead, but I'm prejudice. That, my dear TNC, would be your opinion. One that we can agree to disagree with.

Peace always~

[Rockindeano]

TNC, Liz is pretty smart...I know she hates me, and justifiably, but I have nothing but nice things to say about her...

I stand by my decision to lay into Augeri though, Liz....That guy....O man, I am getting pissed just thinking about him....FUCK!

[Monker]

The point is, you're casting judgement on JSS before even seeing him- JUST like the Perryzealots mercilessly did to Steve A.

No, the point is I am doing nothing more then any number of people are doing to either Perry or Augeri...Andrew may not particularly LIKE it, but he's not ordering me to stop, so get used to it.

Also, I have seen and heard Augeri numerous times, own all his stuff, and therefore am fully capable of giving an informed opinion.

And, I've heard enough of JSS to know I don't like the direction Journey will take with him in the band...and I am perfectly capable and will to express that opinion here...and I don't give a damn if you like it or not.

And, YOU have 'crucified' Perry in the past.

So what?
His tenure with the band is over.
I, as any other fan, am perfectly allowed to critique his era.

Again, the point is that it seemed Andrew was singling me out, when other were doing the exact same thing. He wasn't so get over it already.

Like any sane human being, I said I will reserve judgement until I see and hear the dude on stage.
I certainly have high hopes though.

Even if you saw and heard him on stage, you are still judging by GUESSING the future and where he will take the band. THAT has been the entirity of my complaints...not JUST how the band sounds in concert. I'll talk about that in a couple weeks.

And, I wasn't 'crucifying' JSS in my posts that Andrew quoted and JSS replied to

Yes you were.
You accuse him of everything under the sun.[/quote]

And, that is an outright lie.

Andrew quoted, "And, I'll reluctantly see you in Ames."

When JSS read the above HE ASKED ME to explain. To which I replied:

JSS wrote:

If reluctant, then why bother? Not being condescending, really interested in knowing why you'd come out if it's not what you want?

Cuz, when I bought the tickets, there was certain change that hadn't happened. I bought into one thing and I'm getting another. If I was big into Ebay and such, I probably would just sell them. But, that's life...roll with it and deal with it.

Quote:
Trust me, I do hope to turn you around with how things are this leg

I wouldn't expect anything else from someone in your position. That's just the way it should be. I doubt you would be where you are today if you didn't have that attitude everytime you stood on stage, no matter who you shared the stage with.

Quote:
but honestly I would never see my favorite band with someone I didn't approve of fronting them...not even for free!

Call it a last hurray, if you want. I've been disapointed with many things Journey over the past year or so...not just you. Like I've said in another post, I haven't agreed with many yof their decisions lately. So, now we come to this and it just feels like the right time to let it go. There just doesn't seem like much is left to hold on to anyways.

Quote:
Either way, see you in IA, I'll be the one with the torn jeans!

Yeah, well, I'll let Dean or TNC describe me...That way you'll never find me

That is FAR from 'crucifying', IMO. We were having a casual conversation. It was a lot more down to earth then some of the bullshit you and Deano post.

The FACT is, he handled it VERY well...so why are you people complaining about it when JSS didn't even have a complaint about it?

Because your "points" have no basis in reality.
Like, JSS being exlusively a metal singer.
Ummm, since when?
[/quote]

What a bunch of crap. The REALITY is I bought tickets to see Augeri and now I will see JSS - which I would NOT have bought for tickets for, at least no where near $75 + fees/each. I bought one thing and I'm getting another. I have EVERY RIGHT to not be happy about that.

Not based on reality...what you said above wasn't even based on my conversation with JSS.

That is no different than those that misrepresented Augeri as a former cover band singer.
You're just a cantankerous old bitch.
Isn't it time you douched out your ass?

And, now this is what it comes down to...You don't have anywhere to go but taking things totaly out of context and bitch and ass comments. Get over it, you're just trying to misdirect with out of context rants and slurs.

[Monker]

I gotta give the NC a hand on that one! Well thought out! Provocative. Brutal. Slam dunk. I bow to his cleverness.

I repeated RND...wow...it was good TNC...wow!

And, totaly out of context.

[Monker]

Monker, wave the White Flag already. TNC has been beating you daily for quite some time now. You're getting like Mike Tyson in that the only person that thinks you can still win is, well, you.

Then you are a fucking moron. You can't win in a battle of opinions.

See if Andrew will add a "Retards" forum to level the playing field for you. That is quickly what it's coming to.

Nowadays, I think that is this forum.

[Liz22562]

Oh Deanooooooo.

I do not hate you, so please stop saying that I do.

I merely think you are crazy......

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, the point is I am doing nothing more then any number of people are doing to either Perry or Augeri....

Sweet merciful fuck! - how many more times must I go over this.
Perry and Augeri have eras already behind them.
There are albums, concerts, and dvds to critique.
What, pray tell, are you critiquing of JSS?
The guy has just joined the band.
You are just a disgruntled Augeri fanatic with an axe to grind.

And, I've heard enough of JSS to know I don't like the direction Journey will take with him in the band

Elaborate on that. I defy you.
Jeff has more pre-existing Journey-style music to his name than Augeri did when he first started out.

...and I am perfectly capable and will to express that opinion here...and I don't give a damn if you like it or not.

You can express it all you want.
Doesn't mean it's worth a hill of beans, or that you can explain what the hell it is you're saying.

Even if you saw and heard him on stage, you are still judging by GUESSING the future and where he will take the band.

Of course, but at least we have a few pointers to go by.
"Believe in Me" is very classically Journey-ish and was written by JSS and Schon.
You make it sound like you reassuredly knew what creative direction the band would take when Augeri was hired.
You didn't. Stop lying.

And, that is an outright lie.

Not really. Since he was first announced, you've composed a laundry list of potential JSS offenses.
Including that he will likely sink ticket sales and change their sound for the worse.
I know where these posts are and can re-post them with ease.

The REALITY is I bought tickets to see Augeri and now I will see JSS

Last I checked you bought tickets to see "Journey".
Y'know, as in the band?

Go elsewhere to lie prostrate and worship at the altar of Augeri's cock n' balls.

- which I would NOT have bought for tickets for, at least no where near $75 + fees/each. I bought one thing and I'm getting another. I have EVERY RIGHT to not be happy about that.

Sell them. Ask for a refund. Or don't go.
It's that simple.

And, now this is what it comes down to...You don't have anywhere to go but taking things totaly out of context and bitch and ass comments. Get over it, you're just trying to misdirect with out of context rants and slurs.

Would u believe me if I told you that Perry-only fans are emailing me and saying u sound identical to them when they first heard Perry was replaced?
Yup. Believe it.
You've fallen that irreparably deep into the septic tank.

[Monker]

Obviously you agree that there was nothing in those posts that I quoted to warrant being 'warned' by Andrew....cuz you didn't comment on it at all and have gone WAY out of context AGAIN.

The only thing I will comment on is this, "Would u believe me if I told you that Perry-only fans are emailing me and saying u sound identical to them when they first heard Perry was replaced?
Yup. Believe it.
You've fallen that irreparably deep into the septic tank."

Why should I care about this? I know Dean thinks it's a popularity contest, and now you seem to think so too. But, I don't and never have.

There is more to this then just a lead singer change. I explained that in other posts. IMO, this band has fucked up REPEATEDLY since the end of the Main Event tour. EVERYTHING seems to be done for money...that's how it seems to me. They aren't doing anything for the fans, or the music, or anything I would consider a respectable reason. They just want the chunk of cash that a tour puts in their lap. Actually, you could say it goes back to TBF, where they dumped what could have been a long standing lineup and a continued relationship with Herbie, for the cash of a Perry reunion.

The bottom line is that I see this Journey fizzling out and going nowhere fast...just as I said about SS. I wonder who will quit first? Jonathan, maybe? We'll see how they do next year, or whenever they tour solo...and it won't matter who is singing.

Besides, I always said the Perry fans would eventualy be right...just not yet...Nowadays, I think you can now count the number of years left of Journey on one hand.

No, the point is I am doing nothing more then any number of people are doing to either Perry or Augeri....

Sweet merciful fuck! - how many more times must I go over this.
Perry and Augeri have eras already behind them.
There are albums, concerts, and dvds to critique.
What, pray tell, are you critiquing of JSS?
The guy has just joined the band.
You are just a disgruntled Augeri fanatic with an axe to grind.

And, I've heard enough of JSS to know I don't like the direction Journey will take with him in the band

Elaborate on that. I defy you.
Jeff has more pre-existing Journey-style music to his name than Augeri did when he first started out.

...and I am perfectly capable and will to express that opinion here...and I don't give a damn if you like it or not.

You can express it all you want.
Doesn't mean it's worth a hill of beans, or that you can explain what the hell it is you're saying.

Even if you saw and heard him on stage, you are still judging by GUESSING the future and where he will take the band.

Of course, but at least we have a few pointers to go by.
"Believe in Me" is very classically Journey-ish and was written by JSS and Schon.
You make it sound like you reassuredly knew what creative direction the band would take when Augeri was hired.
You didn't. Stop lying.

And, that is an outright lie.

Not really. Since he was first announced, you've composed a laundry list of potential JSS offenses.
Including that he will likely sink ticket sales and change their sound for the worse.
I know where these posts are and can re-post them with ease.

The REALITY is I bought tickets to see Augeri and now I will see JSS

Last I checked you bought tickets to see "Journey".
Y'know, as in the band?

Go elsewhere to lie prostrate and worship at the altar of Augeri's cock n' balls.

- which I would NOT have bought for tickets for, at least no where near $75 + fees/each. I bought one thing and I'm getting another. I have EVERY RIGHT to not be happy about that.

Sell them. Ask for a refund. Or don't go.
It's that simple.

And, now this is what it comes down to...You don't have anywhere to go but taking things totaly out of context and bitch and ass comments. Get over it, you're just trying to misdirect with out of context rants and slurs.

Would u believe me if I told you that Perry-only fans are emailing me and saying u sound identical to them when they first heard Perry was replaced?
Yup. Believe it.
You've fallen that irreparably deep into the septic tank.

[Red13JoePa]

I don't blame the band at all for wanting to go out on the road as much as possible. They had 11 years of their touring prime just short circuited and part of it is they want to take advantage of the nostalgic and lucruative classic rock touring scene now and recoup lost time and consideration. A collateral effect was that it unfortunately at least temporarilly burned SA out.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Obviously you agree that there was nothing in those posts that I quoted to warrant being 'warned' by Andrew....cuz you didn't comment on it at all and have gone WAY out of context AGAIN.

I've commented on it soo many times my fingers are practically worn to the bone.
Andrew allows everyone here their own opinion, not to spout crap all the doo-dah-day

And as I predicted, you couldn't elaborate on any single one of your own dingbat grievances against JSS or the band's alleged Metallica-inspired "new creative direction".

Why should I care about this? I know Dean thinks it's a popularity contest, and now you seem to think so too. But, I don't and never have.

Because the very type of ideological automatons u used to beat up regularly now recognize their drone-like behavior in you.
You've lost the pot.
Best you throw in the towel and lead a quiet life of shoveling manure and tipping cows.

There is more to this then just a lead singer change. I explained that in other posts. IMO, this band has fucked up REPEATEDLY since the end of the Main Event tour. EVERYTHING seems to be done for money...that's how it seems to me. They aren't doing anything for the fans, or the music, or anything I would consider a respectable reason. They just want the chunk of cash that a tour puts in their lap. Actually, you could say it goes back to TBF, where they dumped what could have been a long standing lineup and a continued relationship with Herbie, for the cash of a Perry reunion.

And I feel that's because they had a faulty product they didn't believe in, nor felt compelled to promote (compounded with the apathetic reception to "Arrival").

and it won't matter who is singing.

No, it doesn't. It never really did. People come to hear the catalog. Glad you are catching on finally after all these years.
Now if only we could ingrain into that water-logged pea brain that sex with your blood relatives is a crime.

Perhaps there may be hope for you yet.

Nowadays, I think you can now count the number of years left of Journey on one hand.

That was true even with Augeri. Augeri even mentioned that they'd take a summer off, prolly do one more album and that'd be the end.

[Natalie]

Nice positive feedback, I love it, keep it coming...reminds me of Jane Curtain & Dan Aykroyd on SNL, point/counter point, see you at the free show, popcorn & soft drink included....AND GO!!!

You kidding me? This is entertainment you can't BUY!!! Well, ok, you need an internet connection which costs...but hell, this kinda shit makes my job a living dream...I get to come off stage singing songs that were my musical bible with the greatest band on EARTH to tons of cheering fans & then cuddle up with the laptop & enjoy my 'show'...believe me, this doesn't get under my skin, I learned a LONG time ago, you can't please everyone & there'll always be someone who disapproves. Bottom line, I get to do it all again tomorrow night, I am a lucky man

J

Do you ever wish you were a laptop?

[EightyRock]

I don't think it matters one way or another, whether or not they change their sound to something harder edged if they do another CD. They make their money touring, period. The casual fan wants to hear the old radio hits, NOTHING more. Hell, even alot of the not so casual fans haven't been that jazzed about their last 3 CD attempts and don't care much about hearing it played live. Yes, Journey is about touring and making money, so they will play the hits, year after friggin' year. JSS is there to keep them on tour, bringing home the bacon, and to wake them from their Augeri-sleep. Soto will give Neal & Jon some ideas for songs, they'll record them at Cain's little studio, hand them out at shows and keep playing the old material live. I don't see any of that ever changing. If Soto was better known in the states, maybe they could get a label to give them some limited backing, but I think those days are behind them.