Journey Predictions III

[YoungJRNYfan]

With the emergence of Soto, and the fan craze he has been recieving, why not give Soto the shot at the frontman Journey has longed for since Perry, and now that Augeri has been down. Even though Augeri was the front man for so long, he isn't that reconized with a fan base that Soto has (IMHO). So if Journey is left with Soto, I'm sure he'd step up to the plate, but as far as Soto's plans are concerned, will he do it with the bands he has himself?

[The_Noble_Cause]

he isn't that reconized with a fan base that Soto has (IMHO).

Maybe abroad, but JSS's fanbase is about tantamount to Augeri's in the US.

but as far as Soto's plans are concerned, will he do it with the bands he has himself?

He'd be insane not to.
Journey is the big leagues.

[Monker]

He'd be insane not to.
Journey is the big leagues.

They are AAA now...they haven't been the 'big leagues' for years now.

[Monker]

Don't misunderatand me...I've seen the opening band blow the headliner off the stage many times. I was merely stating (or re-stating) a fact. I think it's bullshit that Journey is opening for Def Leppard. I guess they must be making a shitload of money. I hope it is worth it. Journey should not be opening for anyone. And I'm still surprised they agreed to it.......

Dude, they had to sign on as opening act, because of Augeri....You think Neal would say yes to opening this tour if he had Jeff in place? Not a chance.

If they put enough money in front of him, absolutely. He'd open for anybody...he's said so.

[Monker]

Gee, I thought they were going to record an album?

Where did I rule that out?

When has Journey ever been recording and touring, at the same time When they have tried to rush it, they end up with EPs and hodgepodge.

They are going to go on tour again?

You gotta strike while the iron's hot- that sounds Herbie-esque, no?[/quote]

And, he also said you have to be missed. Journey hasn't taken time out for that to happen in eight years.

Journey will be coming off one of their must succesfull post-Perry tours yet.
You think they're not gonna capitalize on that in someway?

Capitalize on opening for Def Leppard by going out on another tour? Then capitialize on that tour by going out on another tour? Just as they have done for nearly ten years? Yeah, that's progress.

They are probably well on their way to planning the next tour.

So?
That is how these people make their livelihood.
As usual, you sound like a selfish bastard.

[/quote]

I don't care how I sound.

The truth is that this is nothing new and VERY predictable...and it doesn't help the situation at all.

[Monker]

STILL! Without the fans, there's no money. Sure, they're taking a risk by not doing things the way you think they should be done. But, the bottom line is, "without the fans, there's no money." Simple economics, bro.

Correct, so far the fans have lapped up the milk that has been given. At some point some are going to realize that what Journey has been doing isn't as fan friendly as they were led to believe.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They are AAA now...they haven't been the 'big leagues' for years now.

In the pantheon of melodic rock, they are still reigning gods.
To go from "Talisman" to "Journey" is a tremendous coup for Jeff.

[The_Noble_Cause]

When they have tried to rush it, they end up with EPs and hodgepodge.

That hodgepodge nature was partially owed to the fact that they were touring with a vocalist who was fading.
They were trying to cut Steve some slack.
Even as it stands, you yourself classified "Generations" as a good album.

And, he also said you have to be missed. Journey hasn't taken time out for that to happen in eight years.

This is true, but with a new vocalist the thinking probably is they need to get back on the road quickly and make an impression with the uninitiated fans.

Capitalize on opening for Def Leppard by going out on another tour?

This tour is doing bofo business for them.
To let that slip on by would be foolhardy.
Your business acumen is utter shit.
Not all of us can be so lucky as to merrily ride a tractor all day on our govt. subsidized hog farms.
People have to make money.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Correct, so far the fans have lapped up the milk that has been given. At some point some are going to realize that what Journey has been doing isn't as fan friendly as they were led to believe.

Funny, you had no problem lapping up that milk when it was dispensed by your red leather enswathed savior.
Now go retrieve another semen sample from Horace the donkey, u inbred hick.

[junky]

STILL! Without the fans, there's no money. Sure, they're taking a risk by not doing things the way you think they should be done. But, the bottom line is, "without the fans, there's no money." Simple economics, bro.

Correct, so far the fans have lapped up the milk that has been given. At some point some are going to realize that what Journey has been doing isn't as fan friendly as they were led to believe.

We all know that Journey is not fan friendly, it's the mistique that keeps us interested. They throw us a bone here and there to keep us wanting more.

[Monker]

Correct, so far the fans have lapped up the milk that has been given. At some point some are going to realize that what Journey has been doing isn't as fan friendly as they were led to believe.

Funny, you had no problem lapping up that milk when it was dispensed by your red leather enswathed savior.

And, you're full of shit. I've been critical of Journey since the release of Generations. Back then I even said that if I posted my thoughts on the album I'd take shit from this forum, so why bother? Of course, that was back when Dean was getting Generation songs to Stallone and the general thoughts on this forum is they could do no wrong. I've even been warned about my posts on BT about the EXACT points I posted to Brian.

So, please, if you are going to lie about something, pick something that you can be more convincing about then this.

[Monker]

They are AAA now...they haven't been the 'big leagues' for years now.

In the pantheon of melodic rock, they are still reigning gods.
To go from "Talisman" to "Journey" is a tremendous coup for Jeff.

And, in the 'pantheon' of popular music, 'melodic rock' is to today what rockablilly was in the 80's. Sure, it may be an honor for JSS to front Journey...but Journey is NOT the 'big leagues' any longer.

[Monker]

That hodgepodge nature was partially owed to the fact that they were touring with a vocalist who was fading.

No it's not...It's the fact that they didn't take any time out to properly write and record an album....just as you predict for the future. Journey can't both tour and record...they've proven that twice already.

Even as it stands, you yourself classified "Generations" as a good album.

And, that's supposed to be a compliment? It's 'good' in the same way that TBF is good...A few songs that I like surrounded by a lot of mediocre stuff, and stuff that doesn't even sound like Journey.

This is true, but with a new vocalist the thinking probably is they need to get back on the road quickly and make an impression with the uninitiated fans.

This coming from the person who says that people come for the catalog?

Whatever...IMO, they have reached their peak touring post-Perry...and they will go downhill from here.

This tour is doing bofo business for them.
To let that slip on by would be foolhardy.
Your business acumen is utter shit.

Sure, finsh the tour, and then try it again, and keep trying until people decide to not come. Then take some time off. Seems like good advice for Journey...hope they take it.

People have to make money.

And, a business needs to ballance constantly taking advantage of the moment and planning a ballanced future. Journey doesn't have that ballance...they only look at the short term. That's the way it has been for a while now.

[Crazie Scarab]

STILL! Without the fans, there's no money. Sure, they're taking a risk by not doing things the way you think they should be done. But, the bottom line is, "without the fans, there's no money." Simple economics, bro.

Correct, so far the fans have lapped up the milk that has been given. At some point some are going to realize that what Journey has been doing isn't as fan friendly as they were led to believe.

Ok. If they hit dirt bottom you can stand up and say, "I told ya so. I told ya so!" Does that make you happier? F'ing A, man!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Back then I even said that if I posted my thoughts on the album I'd take shit from this forum, so why bother?

Jeremy gave a fairly scathing review of Generations.
Mine wasn't exactly sunshine n' rainbows, either.
Neither was Andrews.
If you were at the recieving end of some flack, it was probably because you conduct yourself like a swollen dickhead.

And in fact, you DID give your own review of Generations and were treated quite fairly.
You even started your very own thread on it.

http://forums.melodicrock.com:/phpBB/vi ... ons#110571

So, please, if you are going to lie about something, pick something that you can be more convincing about then this.

Umm, so who exactly here is the bold-faced liar again?

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, in the 'pantheon' of popular music, 'melodic rock' is to today what rockablilly was in the 80's.

Who cares about popular music?
JSS didn't land the dream job of fronting D12 or being a back-up dancer for Justin Timberfag.
He is fronting for Journey.
For any singer, that is a tremendous upgrade.
As Augeri said upon getting the gig, "...You're not taking about amateurs. You're not talking about the little leagues. You're talking about the major leagues. Yankees, World Series."

Sure, it may be an honor for JSS to front Journey...but Journey is NOT the 'big leagues' any longer.

Maybe not in comparison to rock's select elite (Stones, U2, Aerosmith) but in comparison to many of their respective peers (Styx, REO) Journey is doing quite well for themselves.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That hodgepodge nature was partially owed to the fact that they were touring with a vocalist who was fading.

No it's not...It's the fact that they didn't take any time out to properly write and record an album....just as you predict for the future. Journey can't both tour and record...they've proven that twice already.

Yeah, they just decided to switch "Gone Crazy" from being an initially Augeri-sung song to a Ross song simply because they could. The variegaton of lead vocal duties had absolutely nothing to do with Augeri's progressing vocal deterioration.
Nope. None whatsoever.
In fact, I heard he blew everyones kilts and knickers straight off when he recently toured England and Scotland.

It's 'good' in the same way that TBF is good...A few songs that I like surrounded by a lot of mediocre stuff, and stuff that doesn't even sound like Journey.

Not every album can be Escape.

This is true, but with a new vocalist the thinking probably is they need to get back on the road quickly and make an impression with the uninitiated fans.

This coming from the person who says that people come for the catalog?

Read again. I said "the thinking probably is".
I didn't say MY thinking.
As you well know, MY thinking is Journey could go out on tour with Wierd Al Yankovic at the mic and it wouldn't make one lick of difference.

Whatever...IMO, they have reached their peak touring post-Perry...and they will go downhill from here.

Meanwhile, amazingly, the ticket sales of the Def/Journey tour keep on skyrocketing.....

And, a business needs to ballance constantly taking advantage of the moment and planning a ballanced future. Journey doesn't have that ballance...they only look at the short term. That's the way it has been for a while now.

As I said before, Neal had a product on his hands he wasn't too excited about.
JSS will put a fire in his belly.

[Monker]

Who cares about popular music?
JSS didn't land the dream job of fronting D12 or being a back-up dancer for Justin Timberfag.
He is fronting for Journey.
For any singer, that is a tremendous upgrade.
As Augeri said upon getting the gig, "...You're not taking about amateurs. You're not talking about the little leagues. You're talking about the major leagues. Yankees, World Series."

So, Augeri's wrong. It may be his dream job. Moving from obscurity to singing for Journey is/was an upgrade from both Augeri and JSS...

But, Journey stopped being the 'big leagues' in 1986.

Maybe not in comparison to rock's select elite (Stones, U2, Aerosmith) but in comparison to many of their respective peers (Styx, REO) Journey is doing quite well for themselves.

Correct, Journey, Styx, REO, Foriegner, etc are NOT the 'big leagues'. U2, Stones, Aerosmith, ARE the big leagues. Jouorney is one step down...AAA. It's reality - deal with it.

[Monker]

Yeah, they just decided to switch "Gone Crazy" from being an initially Augeri-sung song to a Ross song simply because they could. The variegaton of lead vocal duties had absolutely nothing to do with Augeri's progressing vocal deterioration.
Nope. None whatsoever.

Quite frankly, that's irrelevant...and not my argument here. They didn't take the time out to write and record the album properly. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY PROBLEM WITH GENERATIONS. They wouldn't NEED a ZZ Top'ish song in the first place if they took the time and did it right. They could have given Ross a REAL Journey song to sing...not something that doesn't even sound like it should be on a Journey album. The same goes with Neal and "Self Defense". They could have taken the time to clean up all the crappy hiss out of Augeri's vocal track, too. In the end, we got a half-baked recording that is worth being given away free at concerts.

Not every album can be Escape.

But, any album can be Arrival...That's all I expect....and Journey hasn't taken the time to deliver that since.

Read again. I said "the thinking probably is".
I didn't say MY thinking.
As you well know, MY thinking is Journey could go out on tour with Wierd Al Yankovic at the mic and it wouldn't make one lick of difference.

So, Journey's thinking and reasoning is WRONG.

I agree.

Meanwhile, amazingly, the ticket sales of the Def/Journey tour keep on skyrocketing.....

Like I said, they've reached their PEAK this tour. It's all downhill from here.

As I said before, Neal had a product on his hands he wasn't too excited about.
JSS will put a fire in his belly.

Yeah, a fire which YOU predict means more touring with multiple acts and doing MORE GH shows. Yeah, that's exciting and will keep the fans coming back for years to come.

[Monker]

Back then I even said that if I posted my thoughts on the album I'd take shit from this forum, so why bother?

Jeremy gave a fairly scathing review of Generations.
Mine wasn't exactly sunshine n' rainbows, either.
Neither was Andrews.
If you were at the recieving end of some flack, it was probably because you conduct yourself like a swollen dickhead.

And in fact, you DID give your own review of Generations and were treated quite fairly.
You even started your very own thread on it.

http://forums.melodicrock.com:/phpBB/vi ... ons#110571

So, please, if you are going to lie about something, pick something that you can be more convincing about then this.

Umm, so who exactly here is the bold-faced liar again?

YOU ARE.

Not only are you lying about my opinions of the band with all of the "Kissing Augeri's ass" type posts, but now you are twisting what I said in this thread to mean something different.

Yeah, I started a thread about Generations. Big deal. That was AFTER I told Dean that posting my thoughts on what Journey was do nothing would prompt a bunch of shit. Dean asked for it, I gave it to him, and didn't get involved much in the tit-for-tat...not nowhere NEAR what I am now.

Let's be specific. Dean drives this forum. It was as true then as it is today. Disagree with Dean and you're in the shitter. THAT is how this forum operates...and it's been that way for years. People who disagree are either driven off the forum by the bullshit that is posted towards them, or they blow up and get banned. THAT is how it is here.

I don't give a damn what other people said about Generations. *I* am the one being accused of kissing Augeri's ass. Prove it, or fuck off you 'bold faced liar'.

[Abitaman]

Who cares about popular music?
.

Got that right!!! Todays artist (if you can call them that), for the most part play crap-ERIC

[brandonx76]

..This is definitely one of the best threads I've read in a long time...classic stuff folks...

ahh, yes, now back to the show..(roll tape...)

[Andrew]

Let's be specific. Dean drives this forum. It was as true then as it is today. Disagree with Dean and you're in the shitter. THAT is how this forum operates...and it's been that way for years. People who disagree are either driven off the forum by the bullshit that is posted towards them, or they blow up and get banned. THAT is how it is here.

BS. The forum rolls along with or without Dean. There are plenty pf personalities driving the conversations and the arguing...case in point this thread.
BTW - I deleted some Dean posts today because of needless ranting about BT users, so not everything he posts is tollerated.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Let's be specific. Dean drives this forum. It was as true then as it is today. Disagree with Dean and you're in the shitter. THAT is how this forum operates...and it's been that way for years. People who disagree are either driven off the forum by the bullshit that is posted towards them, or they blow up and get banned. THAT is how it is here.

Me and Dean haven't seen eye to eye on several occassions.
If you can stand your ground and defend your opinions (as anyone should) than there is no problem whatsoever.

*I* am the one being accused of kissing Augeri's ass. Prove it, or fuck off you 'bold faced liar'.

How about your immediate condemnation of JSS for starters?
Like I've said before, since his inclusion was announced, you've been nothing more than a street corner calamity howler wearing a sandwhich board reading "THE END IS NEAR!"
Perry-zealots have even sent me emails stating how you are acting as defensive and fawning over Augeri as they do about Perry.
Need I say more?

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, Augeri's wrong.

Blasphemy!
What happened to that salad-tossing toady named Monker?
Surely, this can't be him....

But, Journey stopped being the 'big leagues' in 1986.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.
Of course they are not the "big leagues" when juxtaposed to bubblegum pop monoliths like Britney Spears, but relatively speaking, in the melodic rock genre they are still royalty.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Umm, so who exactly here is the bold-faced liar again?

YOU ARE.

You're the one who said you didn't even bother expressing your thoughts on "Generations".
As I clearly proved, you did.
Not only that, u even vaingloriously started your own thread on it.
Now have a kernel of humility and bend over and take it like a man.

That was AFTER I told Dean that posting my thoughts on what Journey was do nothing would prompt a bunch of shit. Dean asked for it,

Prove it. All you do is spout crap.
On a related note, I'm still waiting for you to back up your claims that JSS is a heavy metal singer and will inevitably turn Journey into GWAR.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

They are AAA now...they haven't been the 'big leagues' for years now.

In the pantheon of melodic rock, they are still reigning gods.
To go from "Talisman" to "Journey" is a tremendous coup for Jeff.

And, in the 'pantheon' of popular music, 'melodic rock' is to today what rockablilly was in the 80's. Sure, it may be an honor for JSS to front Journey...but Journey is NOT the 'big leagues' any longer.

That's a great analogy. I love melodic rock but the reality is that it's "old." It has an old audience and old stars. This is why I've been pleading for a Latin rhythm flavored album. Latin rhythms are timeless and classy. JOURNEY could bring something truly unique to it. Popular shows like "So You Think You Can Dance" and "American Idol" have proven that America is more diverse in their tastes than just Rock and Roll.

[Monker]

How about your immediate condemnation of JSS for starters?
Like I've said before, since his inclusion was announced, you've been nothing more than a street corner calamity howler wearing a sandwhich board reading "THE END IS NEAR!"

Not kissing JSS's ass does not equate to kissing Augeri's.

Perry-zealots have even sent me emails stating how you are acting as defensive and fawning over Augeri as they do about Perry.
Need I say more?

Like I said, I don't really care what Perry fans think of me...You seem to care about that more then I do. What they say FAR from proves that I am kissing Augeri's ass.

[Matthew]

They are AAA now...they haven't been the 'big leagues' for years now.

In the pantheon of melodic rock, they are still reigning gods.
To go from "Talisman" to "Journey" is a tremendous coup for Jeff.

And, in the 'pantheon' of popular music, 'melodic rock' is to today what rockablilly was in the 80's. Sure, it may be an honor for JSS to front Journey...but Journey is NOT the 'big leagues' any longer.

That's a great analogy. I love melodic rock but the reality is that it's "old." It has an old audience and old stars. This is why I've been pleading for a Latin rhythm flavored album. Latin rhythms are timeless and classy. JOURNEY could bring something truly unique to it. Popular shows like "So You Think You Can Dance" and "American Idol" have proven that America is more diverse in their tastes than just Rock and Roll.

I'm not sure that it is a good analogy. There wasn't a market for Rockabilly in the 1980s. Aside from a couple of hit singles by The Stray Cats, it was largely a forgotten genre. Whereas there is a huge audience for 70s/80s classic rock/AOR now. Look at the current US Top Twenty re: Box Office Receipts - DL/Journey are at Number 11...CSNY at Number 5...and so on.

Also - it seems that this music with its "old audience and old stars" is finding a new generation of fans. Take for example the success of "Don't Stop Believin'" last year (it hit the Download Top Ten) after it was featured in the OC (and one other teen-orientated show). Or look at the recent posts from members of this site who are under twenty. Or the MTV thread...

You say "Latin rhythms are timeless and classy". Sure - but I believe that rock music can also be timeless and classy. And what evidence is there to suggest that Latin music is more popular with "the kids" than melodic rock is?

[Monker]

What happened to that salad-tossing toady named Monker?

Don't know...Since he only exists in your gay fantasies which you like post in vain attempts to insult me - why don't you tell me...Go for it, it's an open invitation for another of your gay fantasies.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.
Of course they are not the "big leagues" when juxtaposed to bubblegum pop monoliths like Britney Spears, but relatively speaking, in the melodic rock genre they are still royalty.

LOL! YOU are the one who posted the Stones, Aerosmith, etc.

80's melodic rock itself is no longer 'big league'....So, by default, neither is Journey.