Will Augeri officially resign? PLUS a Bush/War debate..

[jrnyjetster]

And for the record...I think this sucks, but the guys might as well get it over with so they can try and move on with Jeff. Will Journey have any more success as far as NEW music sales with Mr. Soto at the helm? I doubt it...unless they hire a new management team...anything's got to be better than what they have now.

[Citygirl]

I think they'll do one of two things.

1. They'll say at the end of the tour that Steve has decided not to come back for whatever reason (voice ruined, wanting more time with family, whatever).

2. They'll just never address it at all and in 3 years we'll still be waiting to hear whether it's permanent or not.

[SteveForever]

They definitely won't do it while the tour is still going...plus they have to look like they actually gave Steve a chance to recover. *If Journey is still around, this could be their swan song.

[A Fire Inside]

When Steve resigns, I suppose. I'm led to believe they ARE all equal partners, and if so, it's partly up to him to leave.

[Big J]

I don't think album sales of new material will go up at all...in fact this kind of carries an added burden because now people think the lead vocal spot is a revolving door of guys "filling in for Perry."

Count me among the growing few who still have a hunch Augeri comes back. I don't know why I still feel that way, but I do. If he doesn't, I imagine they'll announce it when they "go back into the studio" to record the new album. I don't think we'll hear a words while they're on tour. And there may be a genuine reason behind that.

[KCfla]

I have to agree.
I don't think we'll hear anything one way or the other until AFTER the tour ends.
For one, they are just too darn busy to deal with the fallout of a decision like that being announced- i.e. all the press that may come from it.
Second, I believe it wouldn't be good for Steve A, Jeff, or the tour. Best just to leave things alone at this point and just play the shows.

Now having said all that- how LONG it will be until the statement/news hits is another thing entirely. It could be months! It just depends on what the plans are next ( album, another tour, whatever!)

Just my 2 cents worth here!

[Greg]

I'm sure they don't touch that issue until after the tour. Speaking of the tour, sounds like this has been a very successful one with the added dates...despite no Perry or Augeri.

[heardonthestreet]

I predict that Augeri will return and perform along side Soto to finish the last few shows of the tour. Soto is just a fad.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I predict that Augeri will return and perform along side Soto to finish the last few shows of the tour. Soto is just a fad.

uhh, if "fad" means life saver, or singer of the year, or perminate lead singer of my favorite band journey,, then i think your right !!! i would love to see both dudes sing together though!!

[Greg]

Don't ask me why I think this, but I predict that Journey will thank Soto for filling in and Perry comes back to the fold, while Cain leaves. I can't predict who the new keys guy would be, but would probably be a virtual unknown.

[WalrusOct9]

Perry and Journey will never work together on a long-term basis again. Trust me.

I believe at some point there will be a one-off, at a Hall of Fame induction or some other very special occasion, and they'll do a couple of songs, at most.

[MCC620]

I guess they will announce it when they find the "body".

[Carlitto H@kk]

I think you will get an "Official Statement" from the Official site when the band starts holing up in a studio to record another album... unless Andrew, as usual, beats them to the punch
As for when that will happen, that's anyone's guess. There has been mention of the band going to Mexico and some other countries w/ JSS (This came from a BT'er that talked to Neal and Jeff the night before the Red Rocks show) so this tour could go well into the spring. But I think they would record something really quick; too much momentum right now. It'd be crazy to waste it and take months off. I say harness all this energy now, get in a studio as soon as possible and start tracking new material with JSS... Maybe their doing that on the bus already?

[Citygirl]

I don't think he's coming back at all. Have you noticed there's been bugger all said about him on their official site since 6th July when JSS was announced as the replacement? Also, some here have said they have it on good sources that the whole thing has been permanent from the start and a guy who is friendly with Jeff actually had on his website "JSS is the new lead singer in Journey" the day it happened.

Does that sound like a temporary thing? Add in all the stuff that went on here before that, plus the fact that JSS was playing a setlist that was 50% Journey songs at his own gigs a year ago and the way the tour has been extended and continues to be extended and you've got your answer. So IMO if you're that way inclined you can sing "Ding-Dong Stevie's Out" Wizard Of Oz style!

And I agree with what jrnyjetster is saying. It's not the scenario I would have chosen but the guys should just be honest and say it's permanent cos then at least they can move on with their new singer and also the folk who are getting upset over whether he'll come back or not can move on as well.

Just my take on it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think he's coming back at all. Have you noticed there's been bugger all said about him on their official site since 6th July when JSS was announced as the replacement? Also, some here have said they have it on good sources that the whole thing has been permanent from the start and a guy who is friendly with Jeff actually had on his website "JSS is the new lead singer in Journey" the day it happened.

Does that sound like a temporary thing? Add in all the stuff that went on here before that, plus the fact that JSS was playing a setlist that was 50% Journey songs at his own gigs a year ago and the way the tour has been extended and continues to be extended and you've got your answer. So IMO if you're that way inclined you can sing "Ding-Dong Stevie's Out" Wizard Of Oz style!

And I agree with what jrnyjetster is saying. It's not the scenario I would have chosen but the guys should just be honest and say it's permanent cos then at least they can move on with their new singer and also the folk who are getting upset over whether he'll come back or not can move on as well.

Just my take on it.

Damn straight.
Just take a look at one of Drew's 2005 end of the year predictions.

"The lead singer of a very well known and popular melodic rock group will depart the band"

If not Augeri, then who? Jamison?

[Citygirl]

I think they knew this was going to happen. Like I said, JSS was playing a setlist that was 50% Journey songs when he toured with his solo band last September. I didn't think anything of it at the time but now I just wonder if there was a reason for it.

Really though, they're bound to have seen what we're saying on here and realise that most people clicked long ago that SA was gone. Why keep putting off telling people? JSS seems to be popular enough as their frontman and while there would be a mixed response to the nitty gritty they have to tell people some time.

Someone mentioned before that it's unfair to the right hardcore SA fans who are constantly hoping and praying he'll come back and I agree with that too. They can't move on from the whole thing until they're told by a source they don't consider to be hearsay. I know it's just a rock band to some people but some folk do get emotionally attached etc.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think they knew this was going to happen. Like I said, JSS was playing a setlist that was 50% Journey songs when he toured with his solo band last September. I didn't think anything of it at the time but now I just wonder if there was a reason for it.

Really though, they're bound to have seen what we're saying on here and realise that most people clicked long ago that SA was gone. Why keep putting off telling people? JSS seems to be popular enough as their frontman and while there would be a mixed response to the nitty gritty they have to tell people some time.

Someone mentioned before that it's unfair to the right hardcore SA fans who are constantly hoping and praying he'll come back and I agree with that too. They can't move on from the whole thing until they're told by a source they don't consider to be hearsay. I know it's just a rock band to some people but some folk do get emotionally attached etc.

These guys have grown acustomed to lying through their teeth.
Does anyone really think Augeri was battling pneumonia when they cancelled that South American date?
Think again - that entire tour was taped.
More than likely, their addle-brained management didn't realize the show was to be televised live until the very last second.
Whoopsie!

[Citygirl]

I don't think we'll ever know exactly what went on. I've said all along there's more to the story than any of us will ever know.

Does anyone else get the feeling there could be more changes in the line-up? I don't know but I just have a gut feeling someone else will leave, possibly at the end of the tour. Obviously it won't be Neal or Jeff... but I just have a feeling someone else will quit/be replaced/whatever in the near future.

Time will tell.

[yulog]

obviously they wont make a statement til after the tour because of the MONEY!!!! boy if this isnt hitting everyone in the face ,any kind of controversy would cause damage to the tour.
secondly come on anyone who thinks that Journey is going to the top with JSS thats a 1 in a million shot these guys are in there mid 50's, doing the revolving door with singers each one sounding less and less like the original that brought them fame. The best they can hope for is to continue touring each year to make money. If they pick the right band they can do well, obviously Def Leppard was the right band this year, and yes they may have to be the opener from now on but who cares if they get half of the dough.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Perry will never come back and I bet if he could he would. At 57 (is that right?) it is very doubtfull that he could even begin to sing any of the old material. Its just the way is it. I think that is the only reason he is not back with them now. IF they continue beyond this album/tour I think it will be with JSS or someone new. They need to hire the CIA to find Jason Kelty because he sang this:

http://members.core.com/~e5c4p3/LovinYou.mp3

I said it in my opening thread and I will say it again. The guy was amazing in 98 or 99 when I saw them last. He did Mother Father and peeled the paint off of the walls. Perry himself would have taken notice at this guys range and effortless control.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I don't think we'll ever know exactly what went on. I've said all along there's more to the story than any of us will ever know.

Does anyone else get the feeling there could be more changes in the line-up? I don't know but I just have a gut feeling someone else will leave, possibly at the end of the tour. Obviously it won't be Neal or Jeff... but I just have a feeling someone else will quit/be replaced/whatever in the near future.

Time will tell.

I've thought of this too. I've actually had feelings that the Journey Machine may finally be put in the garage after this jaunt, pending 'The Devil wearing Ice Skates' and Perry and Smitty giving it one more go-around. I've heard rumors on different boards that Jon might leave but, being that he is one of the key song-writers of the band and one of the main reasons the band is where it is today (no disrespect to Rolie), I can't see anyone replacing him and still calling it "Journey"... unless Rolie came back. I personally think it will be this version or none in the future.

[Citygirl]

I've thought of this too. I've actually had feelings that the Journey Machine may finally be put in the garage after this jaunt, pending 'The Devil wearing Ice Skates' and Perry and Smitty giving it one more go-around. I've heard rumors on different boards that Jon might leave but, being that he is one of the key song-writers of the band and one of the main reasons the band is where it is today (no disrespect to Rolie), I can't see anyone replacing him and still calling it "Journey"... unless Rolie came back. I personally think it will be this version or none in the future.

I agree that if anyone is gonna leave it's most likely to be Jon. Can't see Neal or Ross quitting. They've been there since the beginning and if Neal quits then Journey's finished.

Dunno why but I've wondered if Deen might be the next one to quit. Not that there's any sign of that happening... just a feeling I get sometimes.

[A Fire Inside]

Dunno why but I've wondered if Deen might be the next one to quit. Not that there's any sign of that happening... just a feeling I get sometimes.

Well, he and Steve were buddies, so I can see that possibility.

If Jon were to leave it would probably be because of the "new sound" JSS is supposedly bringing to the band.

[NoMoreTails]

Damn straight.
Just take a look at one of Drew's 2005 end of the year predictions.

"The lead singer of a very well known and popular melodic rock group will depart the band"

If not Augeri, then who? Jamison?

Has there been an agenda here? Maybe based on knowing of Augeri's problems and a connection and friendship with JSS? While the brutalizing of Augeri on this board has been allowed from the onset of tapegate to the present, respect and openmindedness has been more or less demanded for JSS when just a respectfully stated simple doubt of whether he is right for this band has been raised.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Dunno why but I've wondered if Deen might be the next one to quit. Not that there's any sign of that happening... just a feeling I get sometimes.

Well, he and Steve were buddies, so I can see that possibility.

If Jon were to leave it would probably be because of the "new sound" JSS is supposedly bringing to the band.

I agree with you Fire, Jon seems the most likely member to not want to continue with this current line-up. He seems so night&day; for the first few shows with JSS most reviews talked of Jon looking bored and unhappy onstage. At the 8Jul M&G Jon didn't even really talk to anyone, he stayed on his cell the whole time. Fast-forward to now and, all of a sudden, reviews are talking of Jon having a lot of fun and really getting into the shows. Check out some of the pix that MaryMoffet has at her site; Jon looks like he is having a blast... It's so hard to tell.
As for Deen, I think Deen has a secret contract with Neal as "Neal Schon's Personal Drummer" Deen may have been freinds with Steve but I think his loyalty, because of their past, is to Neal. If Deen left, I think it would be for family/personal/health reasons.

[RockInDetroit]

Don't ask me why I think this, but I predict that Journey will thank Soto for filling in and Perry comes back to the fold, while Cain leaves. I can't predict who the new keys guy would be, but would probably be a virtual unknown.

What exactly is the problem with the guys in Journey and Steve Perry. I thought Jonathon was cool with him. I heard that Steve had Ross and Steve Smith fired on the Raised on Radio days, but they got back together to perform Trial By Fire. I thought Steve left because of vocal problems but if Jon, Ross or someone else quit Journey because Perry came back then there must be something else.

What happened?

[A Fire Inside]

I thought Jonathon was cool with him.

Sorry, but Jon was the one who called Perry and said "We're looking for a new singer", so they are certainly not friends anymore. Perry has burned his bridges with all past members.

I thought Steve left because of vocal problems but if Jon, Ross or someone else quit Journey because Perry came back then there must be something else.

Steve Perry left because of vocal problems? Well, maybe, but the "official" story is that he needed hip surgery but took so long getting it that the others were tired of waiting. I'm not sure anyone from Journey would quit if Perry wanted to come back. It's a moot argument anyway, because he'll never get back with the band... yes, I said never...

[squirt1]

Please knock off the hip surgery nonsense. Steve Smith was asked if Perry had the surgery and answered YES!!!!! There was also mentions of hip swelling and having to take breaks for ice packs during WYLAW. Give the repeating of OLD OLD internet rumors a break.

[squirt1]

Oh , I forgot. Fans will get their answer on Augeri's return when the band feels the heat of Augeri fans wanting an answer. They have to feel it in their wallets. That won't happen, because Jeff is pretty darn good,so Neal is sitting in the catbird seat again ! Ha !

[Deb]

Dunno why but I've wondered if Deen might be the next one to quit. Not that there's any sign of that happening... just a feeling I get sometimes.

Well, he and Steve were buddies, so I can see that possibility.

If Jon were to leave it would probably be because of the "new sound" JSS is supposedly bringing to the band.

I agree with you Fire, Jon seems the most likely member to not want to continue with this current line-up. He seems so night&day; for the first few shows with JSS most reviews talked of Jon looking bored and unhappy onstage. At the 8Jul M&G Jon didn't even really talk to anyone, he stayed on his cell the whole time. Fast-forward to now and, all of a sudden, reviews are talking of Jon having a lot of fun and really getting into the shows. Check out some of the pix that MaryMoffet has at her site; Jon looks like he is having a blast... It's so hard to tell.
As for Deen, I think Deen has a secret contract with Neal as "Neal Schon's Personal Drummer" Deen may have been freinds with Steve but I think his loyalty, because of their past, is to Neal. If Deen left, I think it would be for family/personal/health reasons.

I agree that it would probably be Jon if anybody was to leave.....just from what I have read about him not looking happy. As for Deen, I think he would be the absolute last one to leave, the guy loves what he does, he even got back out there and finished drumming/singing, sick as dog. I think it was JSS that said he collapsed in his and his dad's arms after the show. I have to say that damn well earns my respect as a fan! Besides I couldn't see Neal working with any other drummer now, him and Deen click too well.