Journey Predictions III

[The_Noble_Cause]

But will Neal, Jonathan & Ross let him???

Can a Private tell a General that 'we must retreat'????

No, but if a General tells this lowly E-7 to "go into that little town and rape any chick I want", I can tactfully tell him to "Go Fucka Goat!" If its illegal, immoral or just plain stupid and dangerous, you always can raise the BS flag!

The only motivation for a frontman to lipsynch is if the remainder of the band is relying on him and the continuation of the tour to feed their kids.
Somehow, I doubt Neal and Jon are in such dire fiscal straits.
Also, if Augeri lipped against his will then he should've spoken directly to his loyal fanbase who would've had his back.
Instead, he screwed the fans and so the fans (one eccentric madman, in particular) screwed him right back.

[yogi]

I still can NOT believe that the LEADERS of Journey Allowed This or Made THIS whole lip synche ordeal happen.

Next to Styx they( Journey) were the ONLY 'have to' purchase that I ever had. No matter what they put out there I would purchase.

Not another dime will leave my pocket heading toward theirs!!!

[MCC620]

I still can NOT believe that the LEADERS of Journey Allowed This or Made THIS whole lip synche ordeal happen.

Next to Styx they( Journey) were the ONLY 'have to' purchase that I ever had. No matter what they put out there I would purchase.

Not another dime will leave my pocket heading toward theirs!!!

unless it only happened so they could discredit the frontman and replace him.......

[Carlitto H@kk]

I still can NOT believe that the LEADERS of Journey Allowed This or Made THIS whole lip synche ordeal happen.

Next to Styx they( Journey) were the ONLY 'have to' purchase that I ever had. No matter what they put out there I would purchase.

Not another dime will leave my pocket heading toward theirs!!!

So what you're saying is, because tapes MAY have been used (I believe it but it hasn't been completely proved) and Steve Augeri has stepped away for however long, you will not support this new version of Journey if it is permanent??? You mean to tell me that all your hurt feelings are gonna keep you from purchasing/listening to any new material the band might release w/ JSS fronting the band??? Are you aware of what you may be missing out on???

[A Fire Inside]

So what you're saying is, because tapes MAY have been used (I believe it but it hasn't been completely proved) and Steve Augeri has stepped away for however long, you will not support this new version of Journey if it is permanent???

There were 5 people in the band when tapes were used.

4 out of 5 people who condoned the use of tapes are still in the band.

I completely understand.

[Carlitto H@kk]

So what you're saying is, because tapes MAY have been used (I believe it but it hasn't been completely proved) and Steve Augeri has stepped away for however long, you will not support this new version of Journey if it is permanent???

There were 5 people in the band when tapes were used.

4 out of 5 people who condoned the use of tapes are still in the band.

I completely understand.

I never said it was all Augeri's fault; I know that if this went down, ALL members were involved. My question was simply if hurt feelings over the use of tapes to prolong a tour that probably shouldn't have happened are going to keep this person from enjoying what, IMO, is the most exciting incarnation of this band I've seen/heard since the Frontiers days.

[yogi]

NOT another dime goes to Neal, Jonathan, Ross & Deen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JSS gets screwed because he had NOTHING to do with it!!!!!

[Citygirl]

unless it only happened so they could discredit the frontman and replace him.......

I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm not sure how much of the whole thing I believe but that's irrelevant now. The point is, there's more to the story than they're letting on or will ever let on.

There were 5 people in the band

Exactly. So blame them all. If you hate one then you should hate them all. Bottom line.

So what you're saying is, because tapes MAY have been used (I believe it but it hasn't been completely proved) and Steve Augeri has stepped away for however long, you will not support this new version of Journey if it is permanent???

Not having a dig at you, but if some people don't want to support it then why should they? I'm still not sure whether I would or not.

[A Fire Inside]

I never said it was all Augeri's fault; I know that if this went down, ALL members were involved. My question was simply if hurt feelings over the use of tapes to prolong a tour that probably shouldn't have happened are going to keep this person from enjoying what, IMO, is the most exciting incarnation of this band I've seen/heard since the Frontiers days.

Just getting a new singer and going live does not exactly clear their name from the books. To some it does, but to me (and maybe yogi) having talent is not a reason to forgive someone... let alone keep pouring money into them. Have we forgotten that they ALL did this and they continue to enjoy our $$?

The "revamped lineup" smokescreen seems to be working.

[The Ghost Rider]

The "revamped lineup" smokescreen seems to be working.

Exactly! Just as they hoped it would. You think it would all be going this well if they had issued some sort of statement on Augeri, or admitted to using tapes? No way. They hoped it would all go away if they said nothing...and it has pretty much gone according to plan.

[joybringer1]

The "revamped lineup" smokescreen seems to be working.

Exactly! Just as they hoped it would. You think it would all be going this well if they had issued some sort of statement on Augeri, or admitted to using tapes? No way. They hoped it would all go away if they said nothing...and it has pretty much gone according to plan.

Which reminds me, Dean was dropping those broad hints he's so fond of a few weeks back to the effect that a second major shit storm was about to erupt. I wonder what that was about as clearly it hasn't happened. I wonder if baa baa black sheep could be prevailed upon to explain?

[Carlitto H@kk]

So what you're saying is, because tapes MAY have been used (I believe it but it hasn't been completely proved) and Steve Augeri has stepped away for however long, you will not support this new version of Journey if it is permanent???

Not having a dig at you, but if some people don't want to support it then why should they? I'm still not sure whether I would or not.

I'm not saying anyone has to support the band now; I was only asking if that was what this person was essentially saying. I know Journey is going to lose some fans over this, I'm just not one of them. I don't really agree with the way this has all gone down but, since I am also a JSS fan for years and have never been really sold on Augeri, I am actually excited about the possibilities. I do feel bad for Augeri; I might not be a fan of his singing but he is human and did keep Journey alive a lot longer than most of us would've thought 10 years ago. But I care about the music, plain and simple. I could careless how much money the band makes or how high on the charts an album goes; I'm not getting a cut! I just want to hear good music from my favorite band.

[yulog]

Remember 4 out of 5 band members recomend ditching their lead singer when the shit hits the fan

[The_Noble_Cause]

unless it only happened so they could discredit the frontman and replace him.......

Then why doesn't someone start a fake rumor about JSS and see if he gets the royal boot.
It won't happen.
People don't get replaced based on lies.

[Citygirl]

Then why doesn't someone start a fake rumor about JSS and see if he gets the royal boot.
It won't happen.
People don't get replaced based on lies.

I don't think it's quite lies but I don't think it's totally true either.

There's obviously been something but I'm not sure how much of what I've seen here I actually believe.

His days were numbered long ago.

[The_Noble_Cause]

His days were numbered long ago.

If so, it was mainly because his voice started to give way.
Blame it on the Perry-dozen.
Singing those songs nightly will be any good singers demise.

[Citygirl]

If so, it was mainly because his voice started to give way.
Blame it on the Perry-dozen.
Singing those songs nightly will be any good singers demise.

Time will tell.

[Red13JoePa]

Wouldn't worry too much about JDoubleS....he's not doing the catalogue like SP/SA did.... not sounding like them.... that plus the guy's just a stud force to be reconed with behind the mic...

[MCC620]

His days were numbered long ago.

If so, it was mainly because his voice started to give way.
Blame it on the Perry-dozen.
Singing those songs nightly will be any good singers demise.

and there it is.....JSS is not doing the triple threat of BGTY, OTY and ATL. He is doing the grittier EOTB and DOA.

Does it really matter anymore.........JSS is in SA is out. And the masses still get Neal on stage burning the guitar strings.

[heardonthestreet]

A whole lot of Journey's future hangs in the balance of what finally is resolved with Augeri. His past performance will not be allowed to be blackened by the issues behind his taking medical leave. Not by his fans, friends and family and apparently not by more than a few of the posters here in this thread.

Unlike Perry's need for surgery, this was a "band decision," to fool the concert fans, and for the future of all concerned, it has to be addressed. Augeri's name has to be cleared, in-so-far as his being the sole culprit here and probably, for the most part, the victim by demand, of his bandmates.

I feel that Soto knew what was being hatched and was primed and waiting in the wings.

Ok! So this is just a band and bands do things like this to keep on running. If nobody cares, they will survive. "If nobody cares."

[MCC620]

A whole lot of Journey's future hangs in the balance of what finally is resolved with Augeri. His past performance will not be allowed to be blackened by the issues behind his taking medical leave. Not by his fans, friends and family and apparently not by more than a few of the posters here in this thread.

Unlike Perry's need for surgery, this was a "band decision," to fool the concert fans, and for the future of all concerned, it has to be addressed. Augeri's name has to be cleared, in-so-far as his being the sole culprit here and probably, for the most part, the victim by demand, of his bandmates.

I feel that Soto knew what was being hatched and was primed and waiting in the wings.

Ok! So this is just a band and bands do things like this to keep on running. If nobody cares, they will survive. "If nobody cares."

You know what, in a perfect and fair world this would happen. In our real world it will not. The only thing we as Steve Augeri's true fans can do is support him and encourage him to give us more music. This for me, will never tarnish what Steve Augeri has given me over the span of his career in music, in any way shape or form.

[Citygirl]

You know what, in a perfect and fair world this would happen. In our real world it will not. The only thing we as Steve Augeri's true fans can do is support him and encourage him to give us more music. This for me, will never tarnish what Steve Augeri has given me over the span of his career in music, in any way shape or form.

Exactly. In an ideal world he would still be in Journey and I don't like how it's ended.

Nothing I see on the net is gonna stop me loving someone's voice when I hear it. Plus that gig in Edinburgh was bloody magic. I said that when I came out the Playhouse that night and I'm saying it now.

[SteveForever]

A whole lot of Journey's future hangs in the balance of what finally is resolved with Augeri. His past performance will not be allowed to be blackened by the issues behind his taking medical leave. Not by his fans, friends and family and apparently not by more than a few of the posters here in this thread.

Unlike Perry's need for surgery, this was a "band decision," to fool the concert fans, and for the future of all concerned, it has to be addressed. Augeri's name has to be cleared, in-so-far as his being the sole culprit here and probably, for the most part, the victim by demand, of his bandmates.

I feel that Soto knew what was being hatched and was primed and waiting in the wings.

Ok! So this is just a band and bands do things like this to keep on running. If nobody cares, they will survive. "If nobody cares."

You know what, in a perfect and fair world this would happen. In our real world it will not. The only thing we as Steve Augeri's true fans can do is support him and encourage him to give us more music. This for me, will never tarnish what Steve Augeri has given me over the span of his career in music, in any way shape or form.

Good for you, I still love Steve too no matter what anyone says-and Faith in the Heartland is my favorite all time song!

[Matthew]

You know what, in a perfect and fair world this would happen. In our real world it will not. The only thing we as Steve Augeri's true fans can do is support him and encourage him to give us more music. This for me, will never tarnish what Steve Augeri has given me over the span of his career in music, in any way shape or form.

Exactly. In an ideal world he would still be in Journey and I don't like how it's ended.

Nothing I see on the net is gonna stop me loving someone's voice when I hear it. Plus that gig in Edinburgh was bloody magic. I said that when I came out the Playhouse that night and I'm saying it now.

I came out of that same concert vowing never to see Journey again!

To be honest...I thought Augeri such a passive and uncommunicative frontman that night - and his vocals seemed a bit soulless to me (unlike Deen's). Not sure how much he was using tapes to cover up his voice that night - because he struggled to hit the high notes. Also - Jonathan Cain looked like a guy reluctantly going through the motions.

Neal Schon was great though - but overall this was clearly a band well past its prime...who either needed to bring in some new energy or give it up.

Amazing how different people's experiences can be of the same show.

Anyway...now that JSS is in...I'll definitely go and see Journey again...if I get the chance to.

[NoMoreTails]

and there it is.....JSS is not doing the triple threat of BGTY, OTY and ATL. He is doing the grittier EOTB and DOA.

Are they normally in the set list lately or are they alternating a couple? They should have made this change long ago, whether it would have helped Steve or not, it makes for a more rocking show and gets a couple of worn out greatest hits out of the set.

[MCC620]

and there it is.....JSS is not doing the triple threat of BGTY, OTY and ATL. He is doing the grittier EOTB and DOA.

Are they normally in the set list lately or are they alternating a couple? They should have made this change long ago, whether it would have helped Steve or not, it makes for a more rocking show and gets a couple of worn out greatest hits out of the set.

When Jeff first came on board I think only two songs of the triple threat was played nightly, but now I think ATL is the only one being done at every show.
You are right, I always felt that BGTY was very Top 40. Always cringed at the triple threat starting the show. Last year with the 3 hour shows we were treated to some seldom played classics. I do wish they would include Mother, Father or Patiently in place of Open Arms. With Deen singing them, of course. Patiently should definitely be part of the "dirty dozen"

[squirt1]

Ok,so when does Deen's voice crash? 3 songs a night 6 x per week for 2 yrs or whatever Neal cooks up? Or ,how about touring half the # of concerts ,now scheduled, to give him some rest. It should be at least half the # of concerts for Soto that did Augeri in. The amount Perry did was amazing.

[Deb]

Last year with the 3 hour shows we were treated to some seldom played classics. I do wish they would include Mother, Father or Patiently in place of Open Arms. With Deen singing them, of course. Patiently should definitely be part of the "dirty dozen"

Totally agree, have seen a 3hour boot with Deen singing Patiently/Something to hide/La do da/Where were you, but have yet to see him do Mother, Father.......damn!

[Rockindeano]

You know what, in a perfect and fair world this would happen. In our real world it will not. The only thing we as Steve Augeri's true fans can do is support him and encourage him to give us more music. This for me, will never tarnish what Steve Augeri has given me over the span of his career in music, in any way shape or form.

Just WHAT exactly did he "give?" An acting job of tasteless values last year? he should NEVER be able to record a song ever again. I for one hope NO ONE ever signs his sorry ass..ever. You don't do what he DID, and get away with it.

[A Fire Inside]

Just WHAT exactly did he "give?" An acting job of tasteless values last year? he should NEVER be able to record a song ever again. I for one hope NO ONE ever signs his sorry ass..ever. You don't do what he DID, and get away with it.

...what they ALL DID...