Has JOURNEY Jumped The Shark OR are Happier Days Ahead?

[*Laura]

I think Journey made a mistake by not including the new material (Generations) on their concert setlist.A tour’s purpose is to promote new material and they just haven’t done that.
I see this like self-sabotage,seriously.

Seeing the tour statistics that Matt posted,I wonder why don't they take this chance to finally bring out the new songs.JSS could sing them just fine,especially the rockers.

[Red13JoePa]

FITH is in and out, TPIYH not sure if they debuted it yet but I'll bet that and OOHW will be played. Not all on all nights of course.

[SteveForever]

The most disconcerting thing is that the media is legitimazing Paris's "talent", not treating her cd like the William Hung novelty prank gift it truly is.

Well, the media is all over her Drunk Driving arrest from last night here in LA. a 500,000 DOLLAR Mercedes, and she cannot afford a driver? You have got to be kidding? Is she this stupid?

Its obvious, she has a death wish, she has had it all and there is nothing left for her because the true things in life that are real and wonderful she has no clue about.

[*Laura]

FITH is in and out, TPIYH not sure if they debuted it yet but I'll bet that and OOHW will be played. Not all on all nights of course.

Yeah,but that's not enough...They should play those every night.A balanced setlist between the old and the new would be interesting.And useful.

[Matthew]

Little bit 'o both...the band is a major touring attraction and has been for years.

But are these figures similar to the crowds Journey drew last year? Just curious...

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I think Journey made a mistake by not including the new material (Generations) on their concert setlist.A tour’s purpose is to promote new material and they just haven’t done that.
I see this like self-sabotage,seriously.

Seeing the tour statistics that Matt posted,I wonder why don't they take this chance to finally bring out the new songs.JSS could sing them just fine,especially the rockers.

I'll go back even further to when they made the decision to move on with SA at the helm. They released Arrival and toured with the Greatest Hits! The band has said over and over again: "When we play new material or stuff from the first 3 albums we get nothing but blank stares from the audience and they get up to go for beer."

So JOURNEY has moved on but the fans haven't.

If it were me I'd have said, "Go get your beer but we're moving forward!"

JOURNEY wanted to move forward but instead they're pandering to an audience - an audience that just doesn't want to see them move forward.

Self-sabotage is a good way to put it.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

FITH is in and out, TPIYH not sure if they debuted it yet but I'll bet that and OOHW will be played. Not all on all nights of course.

Yeah,but that's not enough...They should play those every night.A balanced setlist between the old and the new would be interesting.And useful.

YES! I would go a little beyond that, too. The classics ought to be highlights NOT the majority of the set. For example save DSB for an encore or opening number. Make the classics be MOMENTS of glory in the set.

But they won't do this because they're afraid people will leave for beer

[fred_journeyman]

Yeah,but that's not enough...They should play those every night.A balanced setlist between the old and the new would be interesting.And useful.

I couldn't agree more! I've been saying this for a number of years. The band DID start to play more of their newer material, but apparently, it didn't go over well. They backed off and stated that they wanted to let the audience catch up to them. The band dropped the ball. They had the chance to push through with the new material, but instead fell back on what was comfortable and convenient. They made their bed and I think it's going to be tough to change now.

The band needs to decide if they are going to continue playing the nostalgia tour, or if they are going to begin playing the new material and stick with it. If they do NOT, not only will they NOT move ahead, but I can see them falling backwards.

[jrnyman28]

"When we play new material or stuff from the first 3 albums we get nothing but blank stares from the audience and they get up to go for beer."

So JOURNEY has moved on but the fans haven't.

If it were me I'd have said, "Go get your beer but we're moving forward!"

JOURNEY wanted to move forward but instead they're pandering to an audience - an audience that just doesn't want to see them move forward.

Self-sabotage is a good way to put it.

I have been saying the same thing for years!!
Journey should have pushed...the fans would have followed. And if they didn't they could have been replaced with those that respect what Journey were doing...

[jrnyman28]

They had the chance to push through with the new material, but instead fell back on what was comfortable and convenient. They made their bed and I think it's going to be tough to change now.

The band needs to decide if they are going to continue playing the nostalgia tour, or if they are going to begin playing the new material and stick with it. If they do NOT, not only will they NOT move ahead, but I can see them falling backwards.

Journey got lazy. They went for the most money with the least work...

[MCC620]

They had the chance to push through with the new material, but instead fell back on what was comfortable and convenient. They made their bed and I think it's going to be tough to change now.

The band needs to decide if they are going to continue playing the nostalgia tour, or if they are going to begin playing the new material and stick with it. If they do NOT, not only will they NOT move ahead, but I can see them falling backwards.

Journey got lazy. They went for the most money with the least work...

You're right.....it does seem like Journey is the one who actually went for the beer........

[fred_journeyman]

Journey got lazy. They went for the most money with the least work...

Absolutely agree with you, Dave! They should have pushed on and "forced" the new music on the audience. Sure, they would have lost some audience members, but in the long run, had they persisted and the new music been accepted, I think it would have been far better for them then, rather then where they are now.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

"When we play new material or stuff from the first 3 albums we get nothing but blank stares from the audience and they get up to go for beer."

So JOURNEY has moved on but the fans haven't.

If it were me I'd have said, "Go get your beer but we're moving forward!"

JOURNEY wanted to move forward but instead they're pandering to an audience - an audience that just doesn't want to see them move forward.

Self-sabotage is a good way to put it.

I have been saying the same thing for years!!
Journey should have pushed...the fans would have followed. And if they didn't they could have been replaced with those that respect what Journey were doing...

I know you have. We're a small group that have been pleading this.

They need to make a clean break.

[Carlitto H@kk]

At the M&G I went to in July, I specifically asked Deen why he wasn't doing Patiently or M/F on this tour, since they both have become fan-faves over the past few years.
His exact words were, "Dude, we can't play that kind of stuff on this tour. We play stuff like that and people start heading to the beer stands."
So yes, they are trying to tailor the setlists to what they know/think the majority of the crowds on this tour want to hear. I hope in the future, if they tour on their own with whoever singing, that they get back to playing some older fan-faves and add in some stuff from Arrival and Generations.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

At the M&G I went to in July, I specifically asked Deen why he wasn't doing Patiently or M/F on this tour, since they both have become fan-faves over the past few years.
His exact words were, "Dude, we can't play that kind of stuff on this tour. We play stuff like that and people start heading to the beer stands."
So yes, they are trying to tailor the setlists to what they know/think the majority of the crowds on this tour want to hear. I hope in the future, if they tour on their own with whoever singing, that they get back to playing some older fan-faves and add in some stuff from Arrival and Generations.

What myself and others are saying here is that the "beer stand" excuse is just that: an excuse. It's an excuse to justify their throwing in the towel and perpetually playing the greatest hits year after year. Not much "tailoring" involved there! However Perry's coat tails are sorely due for some tailoring after all the years of JOURNEY riding on them.

If JOURNEY truly BELIEVES in TBF, Arrival, Red 13, and Generations then they ouhgt to stand up and play them! They haven't and it looks like they never will. If they don't believe then they ought to stop writing songs about doing so.

[cubby69]

At the M&G I went to in July, I specifically asked Deen why he wasn't doing Patiently or M/F on this tour, since they both have become fan-faves over the past few years.
His exact words were, "Dude, we can't play that kind of stuff on this tour. We play stuff like that and people start heading to the beer stands."
So yes, they are trying to tailor the setlists to what they know/think the majority of the crowds on this tour want to hear. I hope in the future, if they tour on their own with whoever singing, that they get back to playing some older fan-faves and add in some stuff from Arrival and Generations.

What myself and others are saying here is that the "beer stand" excuse is just that: an excuse. It's an excuse to justify their throwing in the towel and perpetually playing the greatest hits year after year. Not much "tailoring" involved there! However Perry's coat tails are sorely due for some tailoring after all the years of JOURNEY riding on them.

If JOURNEY truly BELIEVES in TBF, Arrival, Red 13, and Generations then they ouhgt to stand up and play them! They haven't and it looks like they never will. If they don't believe then they ought to stop writing songs about doing so.

Exactly FYRE....besides saying that 'can't' play a song like Patiently on this tour, but they waste everyones time and money letting dipshit Friga play two, count them two, piano solos on 'this tour'. You know if Friga is damn interested in displaying his piano talent, why doesn't he go solo and put together a tour with John fucking Tesh...

[EightyRock]

I read a couple places that it appeared the audience was heavily there for DL, maybe as much as 75%. I wouldn't underestimate DL's fanbase.
As far as what Journey plays this year...does the tour sponsor (VH-1 or Clearchannel) have any control over the content of the shows, requiring them to play "x" number of chart toppers to assure a successful tour?

[A Fire Inside]

but they waste everyones time and money letting dipshit Friga play two, count them two, piano solos on 'this tour'. You know if Friga is damn interested in displaying his piano talent, why doesn't he go solo and put together a tour with John fucking Tesh...

I wonder if they are letting Jon play two solos to keep him just a bit happier...? Remember he was reported to be looking angry and bored when Augeri left, but he has perked up by now...

[JrnySuxBalls]

Generations & tapegate were serious jump the shark moments for me, but the addition of
JSS saved it. Nice recovery

[Rockindeano]

but they waste everyones time and money letting dipshit Friga play two, count them two, piano solos on 'this tour'. You know if Friga is damn interested in displaying his piano talent, why doesn't he go solo and put together a tour with John fucking Tesh...

Dude, Friga is playing solos to give the singer a fucking breather..It happens to work you know.

I wonder if they are letting Jon play two solos to keep him just a bit happier...? Remember he was reported to be looking angry and bored when Augeri left, but he has perked up by now...

Frig is happy because he knows he just got his money making band another 5-10 years of life bringing in a singer who can actually sing in fucking key.

[cubby69]

but they waste everyones time and money letting dipshit Friga play two, count them two, piano solos on 'this tour'. You know if Friga is damn interested in displaying his piano talent, why doesn't he go solo and put together a tour with John fucking Tesh...

Dude, Friga is playing solos to give the singer a fucking breather..It happens to work you know.


[quote]

Well there are other ways to give the singer a fucking breather and not bore the shit out of the audience with a piano recital.....god help us....

[Rockindeano]

Well there are other ways to give the singer a fucking breather and not bore the shit out of the audience with a piano recital.....god help us....

How?

Valory hittin the pipe for a few bong rips and playing a bass solo? Haha....

Soto masturbating on top of the Fat Talk women in the first row?

Schonny wiping off his sunglasses?

Deen taking a piss break?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

At the M&G I went to in July, I specifically asked Deen why he wasn't doing Patiently or M/F on this tour, since they both have become fan-faves over the past few years.
His exact words were, "Dude, we can't play that kind of stuff on this tour. We play stuff like that and people start heading to the beer stands."
So yes, they are trying to tailor the setlists to what they know/think the majority of the crowds on this tour want to hear. I hope in the future, if they tour on their own with whoever singing, that they get back to playing some older fan-faves and add in some stuff from Arrival and Generations.

What myself and others are saying here is that the "beer stand" excuse is just that: an excuse. It's an excuse to justify their throwing in the towel and perpetually playing the greatest hits year after year. Not much "tailoring" involved there! However Perry's coat tails are sorely due for some tailoring after all the years of JOURNEY riding on them.

If JOURNEY truly BELIEVES in TBF, Arrival, Red 13, and Generations then they ouhgt to stand up and play them! They haven't and it looks like they never will. If they don't believe then they ought to stop writing songs about doing so.

Exactly FYRE....besides saying that 'can't' play a song like Patiently on this tour, but they waste everyones time and money letting dipshit Friga play two, count them two, piano solos on 'this tour'. You know if Friga is damn interested in displaying his piano talent, why doesn't he go solo and put together a tour with John fucking Tesh...

Solos can be show killers. My guess is that they put 2 solos in so that twice as many people can make beer runs. Obviously, JOURNEY gets a cut in concession sales now.

Seriously, you're right on target. If you're not going to play anything new and/or older "rarities" because people leave for beer then why in the world would you throw in two solos which have never been recorded or heard?

In all art there's a certain amount of compromise. From the writing and recording processes through the performances however there has to be a line drawn somewhere. People have been going nuts regarding Tapegate. Why? Because it's a compromise that crosses the line. It reduced the art to a cheap sidewalk scam. I can understand the outrage. What I can't understand is how JOURNEY's audience has permitted the compromises regarding all of the new JOURNEY material that's been released and completely ignored.

I'm outraged that JOURNEY has written songs of hope and the power of belief only to NOT believe in them enough to perform them!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Well there are other ways to give the singer a fucking breather and not bore the shit out of the audience with a piano recital.....god help us....

How?

Valory hittin the pipe for a few bong rips and playing a bass solo? Haha....

Soto masturbating on top of the Fat Talk women in the first row?

Schonny wiping off his sunglasses?

Deen taking a piss break?

Why don't they just all stop playing and Neal can announce, "Meet you all at the beer stand."

[A Fire Inside]

Well there are other ways to give the singer a fucking breather and not bore the shit out of the audience with a piano recital.....god help us....

How?

Valory hittin the pipe for a few bong rips and playing a bass solo? Haha....

Personally, I was thinking another Schon solo since Journey wants to be more rock now. But a bass solo isn't a bad idea, Def Leppard has a bass solo and they're bigger "rockers" than Journey... ESPECIALLY since Cain gets TWO solos, he could cut one for a drum, bass, or guitar showcase...

[Liam]

Well there are other ways to give the singer a fucking breather and not bore the shit out of the audience with a piano recital.....god help us....

How?

Valory hittin the pipe for a few bong rips and playing a bass solo? Haha....

Personally, I was thinking another Schon solo since Journey wants to be more rock now. But a bass solo isn't a bad idea, Def Leppard has a bass solo and they're bigger "rockers" than Journey... ESPECIALLY since Cain gets TWO solos, he could cut one for a drum, bass, or guitar showcase...

I still say squeeze the time together and play "Into Your Arms" or "Nickel & Dime" or something. Something relatively short but DEFFINATLY sweet.

[A Fire Inside]

Personally, I was thinking another Schon solo since Journey wants to be more rock now. But a bass solo isn't a bad idea, Def Leppard has a bass solo and they're bigger "rockers" than Journey... ESPECIALLY since Cain gets TWO solos, he could cut one for a drum, bass, or guitar showcase...

I still say squeeze the time together and play "Into Your Arms" or "Nickel & Dime" or something. Something relatively short but DEFFINATLY sweet.

Actually, that's a much better idea! I would love to hear any of those instrumentals instead of a solo.

[Red13JoePa]

Personally, I was thinking another Schon solo since Journey wants to be more rock now. But a bass solo isn't a bad idea, Def Leppard has a bass solo and they're bigger "rockers" than Journey... ESPECIALLY since Cain gets TWO solos, he could cut one for a drum, bass, or guitar showcase...

I still say squeeze the time together and play "Into Your Arms" or "Nickel & Dime" or something. Something relatively short but DEFFINATLY sweet.

Actually, that's a much better idea! I would love to hear any of those instrumentals instead of a solo.

I'll third that. Alternate Into Your Arms and W/ A Tear off the boxset to gve JDouble a blow. I'm not big on solos, either.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How?

Valory hittin the pipe for a few bong rips and playing a bass solo? Haha....

Soto masturbating on top of the Fat Talk women in the first row?

Schonny wiping off his sunglasses?

Deen taking a piss break?

What about Filmore Boogie or Vodoo Chile?
I'd much rather hear Neal indulge himself than Cain.

[Red13JoePa]

Fillmore Boogie? Yes.

Voodoo Chile? No. Much as I love the Journey cover version.....I want stricly jrny material from now on, TNC.

I will roll w/ the Boogie though, as such. Hell, even Gone Crazy would work.