Monker's World

by **Citygirl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:32 am

Exactly. The whole thing has been blown out of proportion right from the start. Almost killed Journey? Aye right...

It's interesting that Monker says it's like Journey with SS's attitude. I think it probably is very like SS now considering Jeff, Neal and Deen were all in there.

And what's this about 6 years pay Deano? That just confused me.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:39 am

Monker wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:So now we have Augeri getting a 6 year pay, after getting fired for using taped vocals for a year or more, that most of the band members possibly knew nothing about, especially Neal.

I think he's trying to say Augeri should have left after being with the band for six years (6yrs pay), instead of continuing on with vocal problems.

I don't think the band would give Augeri six years pay after being fired, if that is what has happened.

......................................
Your right, I'm sure. He must still be on the payroll getting sick pay since this is just temporary.

by **Citygirl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:45 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Your right, I'm sure. He must still be on the payroll getting sick pay since this is just temporary.

Their arse! It's not bloody temporary.

by **MCC620** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:47 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:AFI, I am thinking now, that I really think the band (the remaining 4), had no idea how much he was lipping. I believe they thought maybe help or on one or two songs max....

You agree that is possible?

You are full of shit. Two months ago you had the guys playing along to a click track to make sure they were in the same place in the song as the tape. So now they only worried about playing to the tape on a couple of songs? Did they think the song changed from night to night so they had to be on their toes with the click on every song? If there was tape, everyone is involved to the same degree, but only the life of one will be affected by it. What do your supposed sources say about it? If you had any, they'd probably be telling you it was Neal's idea. Trying to suck up to the rest of the band now that you think you're buds with JSS?

Precisely. Deano changes his story constantly. Now, since he will be hanging with Andrew at a show he has to cut some slack to Neal and Jon. Any real fan of this band knows that NEAL IS JOURNEY. It isn't happening if he doesn't give it his stamp. Group decision plain and simple. One for all and all for feeding one to the wolves.

by **Citygirl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:51 am

But according to Deano, he's already in about Jeff, Neal and everyone else.

by **joybringer1** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:14 am

MCC620 wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:AFI, I am thinking now, that I really think the band (the remaining 4), had no idea how much he was lipping. I believe they thought maybe help or on one or two songs max....

You agree that is possible?

You are full of shit. Two months ago you had the guys playing along to a click track to make sure they were in the same place in the song as the tape. So now they only worried about playing to the tape on a couple of songs? Did they think the song changed from night to night so they had to be on their toes with the click on every song? If there was tape, everyone is involved to the same degree, but only the life of one will be affected by it. What do your supposed sources say about it? If you had any, they'd probably be telling you it was Neal's idea. Trying to suck up to the rest of the band now that you think you're buds with JSS?

Precisely. Deano changes his story constantly. Now, since he will be hanging with Andrew at a show he has to cut some slack to Neal and Jon. Any real fan of this band knows that NEAL IS JOURNEY. It isn't happening if he doesn't give it his stamp. Group decision plain and simple. One for all and all for feeding one to the wolves.

As I only discovered this forum through Dean and his blog I tend to pay attention to his posts more than most, as I had a lot of respect for the stand he took even though, as he'll be the first to admit, he came across as a raving lunatic half the time!

But now I'm seriously losing faith in anything he says. I like to give everyone a fair crack of the whip but this is the second complete 180 degree turn he's made. (The first being about whether JSS was the right singer for Journey).

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:05 am

MCC620 wrote:
Precisely. Deano changes his story constantly.

Name ONE instance where I changed my story. One. You can't.

In fact, I believe all of you BT ers said that I was full of shit regarding Lipping. You still think that? I know a lot who now confess, that it's true.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:06 am

joybringer1 wrote:
But now I'm seriously losing faith in anything he says. I like to give everyone a fair crack of the whip but this is the second complete 180 degree turn he's made. (The first being about whether JSS was the right singer for Journey).

Good. Lose faith in me. Please ignore everything I say about the band. I have NO idea what I am talking about. None.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:10 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
You are full of shit. Two months ago you had the guys playing along to a click track to make sure they were in the same place in the song as the tape. So now they only worried about playing to the tape on a couple of songs? Did they think the song changed from night to night so they had to be on their toes with the click on every song? If there was tape, everyone is involved to the same degree, but only the life of one will be affected by it.

They DID play to a click track, but you don't need the singers feed in your ear (monitor). All you need is the click and play to it. Neal knows this stuff front and backwards. I doubt he even had Augeri in his mix.

What do your supposed sources say about it?

I didn't have any sources. I did this with the help of two buddies.

If you had any, they'd probably be telling you it was Neal's idea.

Well, I can say that it wasn't Neal Schon's idea. You can quote me on that.

Trying to suck up to the rest of the band now that you think you're buds with JSS?

Uh, JSS and I are not buds. We PM'ed a few times. It's not like we hang out together. Those stories of Jeffie and Schonny coming over? That's called sarcasm.

by **Jeremey** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:40 am

Bing-Fucking-Go, there's a click track...FOR SONG TEMPOS AND THE OCCASSIONAL BACKGROUND VOCALS AND GUITARS IN THE MIX. BFD. When you do something for 8 years, that's the way it is. And when you don't have time to record your background vocals, you find someone else to do them. The point is. your talking production, not musicianship. Those click tracks are on the production side of a show, for tempo, and to keep the lights, effects, and supplemental tracks on que (BGV, etc)....Don't fucking think that Journey needs a click track to get through a concert. It's a necessity for the music production. Nothing more nothing less. (except for those prerecorded bgv done by another group of people entirely...Let me give you a primer:

The click track production shit has NOTHING to do with what the band is doing on stage. It is FOLLOWING the band to make sure the changes, videos, lights, and lasers, are ON FUCKING CLOCK TIME when it comes to doing the show.

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:23 am

Jeremey wrote:Bing-Fucking-Go, there's a click track...FOR SONG TEMPOS AND THE OCCASSIONAL BACKGROUND VOCALS AND GUITARS IN THE MIX. BFD. When you do something for 8 years, that's the way it is. And when you don't have time to record your background vocals, you find someone else to do them. The point is. your talking production, not musicianship. Those click tracks are on the production side of a show, for tempo, and to keep the lights, effects, and supplemental tracks on que (BGV, etc)....Don't fucking think that Journey needs a click track to get through a concert. It's a necessity for the music production. Nothing more nothing less. (except for those prerecorded bgv done by another group of people entirely...Let me give you a primer:

The click track production shit has NOTHING to do with what the band is doing on stage. It is FOLLOWING the band to make sure the changes, videos, lights, and lasers, are ON FUCKING CLOCK TIME when it comes to doing the show.

And, what Dean claimed went WAY beyond "just using a tape". Let's remind everybody of all of his claims, in his own words:

1- I said that Augeri wasn't just getting help, he was mouthing, lipping, miming, whatever, to 95% of the show, all but 1 week of the tour.

2- The tape is NOT backing vocals..those are happening, but I don't care about that. The tape I am concerned about is the LEAD VOCAL TAPE.

3- A majority of the songs, Separate Ways, Escape, Faithfully, Ask the Lonely Who's Cryin' Now, Stone in Love , Anyway You Want It and Be Good to Yourself are ALL from Las Vegas, 2001 DVD.

4- Don't Stop Believin' is mostly from the Vegas show, but obviously chopped up due to Vegas' extended version.

5- Las Vegas 2001 DVD, was performed live, but what you bought in the store, was not live..not even close. It was recorded in studio!

6- The Place in Your Heart is straight off the CD.

7- Faith in the Heartland is lipped, many of it from the studio CD, and some from another version.

08- The other songs, such as Chain reaction and Edge of the Blade, are recorded studio tracks.

9- The ONLY song Augeri sang 100% live was lovin' Touchin" Squeezin." Notice now they don't play that one anymore? Too hard to lip that one..To choppy...

So yes, this is what I am accusing the band of doing. Any deviation of this is not my responsibilty.

To accuse the band of ALL OF THAT and now say that the band didn't know about it absolute bulllshit. If you read HIS words, he said the BAND did this and that...not just Augeri. I mean, come on, he claimed they went back to the studio to record vocals to use in concert...and now we are to believe the band didn't know about it? And, he claimed they changed the set list because AUGERI COULDN'T LIP LTS...But, now, the band didn't know about it...so why did they change the set list? Whatever...the guy is a bullshitter..and some people are naive enough to buy into everything he says.

He had a theory, and blew it up out of all proportion. Now he has ANOTHERR THEORY, and it contradicts what he was blowing up about in the past. THAT is the bottom line.

by **NoMoreTails** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:51 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:I didn't have any sources. I did this with the help of two buddies.

If you had any, they'd probably be telling you it was Neal's idea.

Well, I can say that it wasn't Neal Schon's idea. You can quote me on that.

A few months ago you had a source from inside the band, so there's another example of changing your story. Yeah, you can say anything you want, "but from (up)here it's got a bullshit ring".

by **NoMoreTails** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:56 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote: Trying to suck up to the rest of the band now that you think you're buds with JSS?

Uh, JSS and I are not buds. We PM'ed a few times. It's not like we hang out together. Those stories of Jeffie and Schonny coming over? That's called sarcasm.

Duh, you couldn't tell I was being sarcastic??

by **Eric** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:58 am

I still think Chain Reaction, Edge of the Blade and Place in your Heart sounded different...

I don't see how its possible that band members didn't know what was going on, but it sure would make good spin..I must say!

I respect Dean-O and Monker. Deano was right about mucho, and deserves credit. But Monker continues to be a valuable poster as well.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:11 am

Monker wrote:He had a theory, and blew it up out of all proportion. Now he has ANOTHERR THEORY, and it contradicts what he was blowing up about in the past. THAT is the bottom line.

My theory unfortunately was true, which means it is indisputable fact.

You cannot prove I am wrong, so for now, I am right and you suck my ass while I am above you.

by **EightyRock** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:20 am

Svante Peterson's account of what happened during the taping of the Sweden Rock Festival for radio was more than enough to solidify Dean's findings. I don't know if all of the band knew about it, but isn't it odd that they avoid all interviews and keep everything quiet until this tour has ended...maybe longer? Augeri is definitely the one who did the deed, but did the rest know and participate? My instincts say absolutely.
As far as someone else saying that they are turned off by their revolving door of vocalists...the band made the decision to navigate the Journey mega-ship without their original singer, so whatever happens to them is of their own choosing. I've still been listening to them, but they have been struggling musically and now maybe even with their integrity in order to prove that they don't need Perry to be musically relevant. They still haven't proven that to me yet. Soto and any chemistry he might find with Neal AND Jon is their last chance, IMO. As long as Cain is still in the band, Soto has to find some chemistry with him, too, or this ain't gonna work.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:21 pm

EightyRock wrote: As long as Cain is still in the band, Soto has to find some chemistry with him, too, or this ain't gonna work.

That's an excellent point. We already know Soto and Schonny have the chemistry. But The Frig is a helluva songwriter..However, Jeff is so much better in every regard than Augeri that maybe they don't have to rely on Frig.

by **A Fire Inside** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:31 pm

Rockin'Deano wrote:That's an excellent point. We already know Soto and Schonny have the chemistry. But The Frig is a helluva songwriter..However, Jeff is so much better in every regard than Augeri that maybe they don't have to rely on Frig.

Disagree, they need Cain. They only got so far with Perry/Schon before him; Jonathan was the final touch for success. If anything, he'll be the one keeping Journey from morphing into SS now.

by **joybringer1** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:37 pm

Rockin'Deano wrote:
joybringer1 wrote:
But now I'm seriously losing faith in anything he says. I like to give everyone a fair crack of the whip but this is the second complete 180 degree turn he's made. (The first being about whether JSS was the right singer for Journey).

Good. Lose faith in me. Please ignore everything I say about the band. I have NO idea what I am talking about. None.

Well, I'll continue to enjoy your posts - you're the highlight of this forum for me. But I will follow your advice in that I won't give as much credence to your pronouncements in future. Still think you're a good guy underneath all the bluster, though.

by **NealIsGod** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:06 pm

A Fire Inside wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:That's an excellent point. We already know Soto and Schonny have the chemistry. But The Frig is a helluva songwriter..However, Jeff is so much better in every regard than Augeri that maybe they don't have to rely on Frig.

Disagree, they need Cain. They only got so far with Perry/Schon before him; Jonathan was the final touch for success. If anything, he'll be the one keeping Journey from morphing into SS now.

True dat.

by **Citygirl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:23 pm

They've already morphed into SS.

All they need to do is replace Ross with that bass player that was in there and they'll have SS + Friga. What a combination.

by **NoMoreTails** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Les wrote:They've already morphed into SS.

All they need to do is replace Ross with that bass player that was in there and they'll have SS + Friga. What a combination.

Marco and Virgil are the best bassist and drummer I've ever seen live, not that I think Ross and Deen should be replaced.

by **Citygirl** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:30 pm

I don't think Deen would ever be replaced unless he wanted to quit.

As for Ross... well they've done it once so they'd probably do it again if it suited them. Not that I'd want that either.

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:42 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:AFI, I am thinking now, that I really think the band (the remaining 4), had no idea how much he was lipping. I believe they thought maybe help or on one or two songs max....

You agree that is possible?

You are full of shit. Two months ago you had the guys playing along to a click track to make sure they were in the same place in the song as the tape. So now they only worried about playing to the tape on a couple of songs? Did they think the song changed from night to night so they had to be on their toes with the click on every song? If there was tape, everyone is involved to the same degree, but only the life of one will be affected by it. What do your supposed sources say about it? If you had any, they'd probably be telling you it was Neal's idea. Trying to suck up to the rest of the band now that you think you're buds with JSS?

Ding.
Ding.
Ding.

Winner.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:19 am

Ding
Ding
Ding

Dumbshit.

Don't you wish I was full of shit?

by **Monker** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:51 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:My theory unfortunately was true, which means it is indisputable fact.

Which one? The one where they went back into the studio to record vocals to use instead of the 2001 DVD, or the one where the band knew nothing about it?

You cannot prove I am wrong, so for now, I am right and you suck my ass while I am above you.

Don't need to. It's up to you to prove yourselve right...and you haven't. If you had, you wouldn't change your own 'theories'.

by **Monker** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:53 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:Ding
Ding
Ding

Dumbshit.

Don't you wish I was full of shit?

You are. You, or one of your 'team' made a post about how they used a click track to know when the vocals were live, and when they switched to tape.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:55 am

Monker wrote:
Which one? The one where they went back into the studio to record vocals to use instead of the 2001 DVD, or the one where the band knew nothing about it?

That is true monker. Sad, but true,

Don't need to. It's up to you to prove yourselve right...and you haven't. If you had, you wouldn't change your own 'theories'.

I did. Unfortunately, You , 13, and Abitaman are the only ones who don't believe it. I am done trying to show you retards the proof.

by **Citygirl** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:42 pm

1. If Steve was doing what Deano says and the guys didn't know then they must be bloody stupid

2. Lovin Touchin Squeezin was played in Edinburgh

3. I don't believe very much of the whole thing. I think there's probably been technology used to make his voice sound better, as a lot of bands do. But as for full-on lipping 95% of the time... definetely not. As I've said all along, more folk would have noticed that, especially the ones that were close to the stage.

4. Of course Deano changes his story. Nuff said.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:56 pm

Les wrote:1. If Steve was doing what Deano says and the guys didn't know then they must be bloody stupid

2. Lovin Touchin Squeezin was played in Edinburgh

3. I don't believe very much of the whole thing. I think there's probably been technology used to make his voice sound better, as a lot of bands do. But as for full-on lipping 95% of the time... definetely not. As I've said all along, more folk would have noticed that, especially the ones that were close to the stage.

4. Of course Deano changes his story. Nuff said.

Yep. You are correct.

I made the entire thing up. And I guess they fell for it, because they fired their "singer." Pretty good practical joke wouldn't you say.

I want to say I am sorry to everyone involved who was a victim of my hoax. If you need to sue me for slander, go ahead. I accept full responsibility.

MR

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