Monker's World

[Citygirl]

I'm not saying you made the whole thing up. I'm saying you've taken something and blown it out of proportion.

And if it was the way you make out and the guys weren't aware of it they'd be stupid.

[Monker]

I'm not saying you made the whole thing up. I'm saying you've taken something and blown it out of proportion.

And if it was the way you make out and the guys weren't aware of it they'd be stupid.

EXACTLY...

And, then if follows that if they band knew about it and went on stage anyway, they were just as responsible for the situation as Augeri. They stood behind him and performed anyway. They didn't HAVE to do that. THAT is the point that Dean is now trying to avoid.

[Rockindeano]

No really, I DID make it up. I feel really bad for Mr Awesome now. Geez, what a good guy too. I hope I can get him back in the band. JSS really isn't that good, and Neal I am sure misses Augeris stage presence.

let me call SA and apologize.

[Citygirl]

No really, I DID make it up. I feel really bad for Mr Awesome now. Geez, what a good guy too. I hope I can get him back in the band. JSS really isn't that good, and Neal I am sure misses Augeris stage presence.

let me call SA and apologize.

You really think you've got that much control over them?

I think you live in fantasy land sometimes.

[Rockindeano]

Jesus Mother and Mary....Can you not see through the sarcasm?

About having control...No, I don't have control, but I did expose their singer who wasn't singing, and now look at the results. I am very happy.

[Citygirl]

Oh I can see through the sarcasm all right.

That's why I was being sarcastic back.

[Saint John]

No really, I DID make it up. I feel really bad for Mr Awesome now. Geez, what a good guy too. I hope I can get him back in the band. JSS really isn't that good, and Neal I am sure misses Augeris stage presence.

let me call SA and apologize.

You really think you've got that much control over them?

I think you live in fantasy land sometimes.

Dude, quit taking everything so literally. Go and look up the word "facetious" immediately!!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

They stood behind him and performed anyway. They didn't HAVE to do that.

How do you know?
As you are always stating here mantra-style, "prove it!"
If you listen to Herbie, all of the Journeymen live on skid row and eat out of garbage pails.

[Citygirl]

Ever hear of being sarcastic back?

[Monker]

They stood behind him and performed anyway. They didn't HAVE to do that.

How do you know?
As you are always stating here mantra-style, "prove it!"
If you listen to Herbie, all of the Journeymen live on skid row and eat out of garbage pails.

It has been said of Augeri...he should have quit, and, blah, blah, blah. I am just applying that exact same logic to the rest of the band - AS IT SHOULD BE.

[RedWingFan]

They stood behind him and performed anyway. They didn't HAVE to do that.

How do you know?
As you are always stating here mantra-style, "prove it!"
If you listen to Herbie, all of the Journeymen live on skid row and eat out of garbage pails.

Well the most obvious way to know it is, to put yourself in the bands position at the surprise that your vocalist has been singing to a tape. There would be shock and outrage and to tell everyone that would listen how you've been victimized. We're getting rid of this piece of crap that pulled this on this great band with this great history. We're going to get a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this. Wouldn't that be most peoples reaction to being betrayed by a "friend"?
But that didn't happen because the band was fully aware of what was going on.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well the most obvious way to know it is, to put yourself in the bands position at the surprise that your vocalist has been singing to a tape. There would be shock and outrage and to tell everyone that would listen how you've been victimized. We're getting rid of this piece of crap that pulled this on this great band with this great history. We're going to get a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this. Wouldn't that be most peoples reaction to being betrayed by a "friend"?
But that didn't happen because the band was fully aware of what was going on.

Implicitly, that's EXACTLY what happened.
I think Neal is eccstatic to have washed his hands of the Augeri funk.

[NoMoreTails]

Well the most obvious way to know it is, to put yourself in the bands position at the surprise that your vocalist has been singing to a tape. There would be shock and outrage and to tell everyone that would listen how you've been victimized. We're getting rid of this piece of crap that pulled this on this great band with this great history. We're going to get a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this. Wouldn't that be most peoples reaction to being betrayed by a "friend"?
But that didn't happen because the band was fully aware of what was going on.

Implicitly, that's EXACTLY what happened.
I think Neal is eccstatic to have washed his hands of the Augeri funk.

So Augeri pulled one on the band and enlisted Kevin Elson to help con them? Right...

[The_Noble_Cause]

So Augeri pulled one on the band and enlisted Kevin Elson to help con them? Right...

I never said that.
And honestly, I bet Neal does want to bitch and tell-all about what went down.
In fact, he has prolly moaned about Augeri's shortcomings to many of his peers in the industry.
You certainly won't hear him communicate with us, the fans, about it, because it would only hurt the band.

[NoMoreTails]

So Augeri pulled one on the band and enlisted Kevin Elson to help con them? Right...

I never said that.

But your quote was meant to say that this is what Journey thinks we think happened?

[The_Noble_Cause]

But your quote was meant to say that this is what Journey thinks we think happened?

My quote read, "Implicitly, that's exactly what happened".

No, to be accurate, none of them were shocked and dismayed at the fact that Augeri was lip-synching. However, as u wrote, they did get rid of the singer "that pulled this on this great band with this great history" and got "a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this."

Hope that makes more sense.

[NoMoreTails]

But your quote was meant to say that this is what Journey thinks we think happened?

My quote read, "Implicitly, that's exactly what happened".

No, to be accurate, none of them were shocked and dismayed at the fact that Augeri was lip-synching. However, as u wrote, they did get rid of the singer "that pulled this on this great band with this great history" and got "a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this."

Hope that makes more sense.

Not really, and I wasn't the one who wrote that, it was RaiderFan.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not really

Then you're truly and utterrly lost in the wilderness for good.
I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

[The Ghost Rider]

But your quote was meant to say that this is what Journey thinks we think happened?

I don't think the band gives a rat's ass what the fans "think happened". As long as people are buying tickets to the show...and they are. Anything they say now has lost so much credibility because of the amount of time that has passed. You know, if you have enough time to think about what to say about something (Augeri)...you can put any kind of "spin" you want on it.

[Monker]

But your quote was meant to say that this is what Journey thinks we think happened?

I don't think the band gives a rat's ass what the fans "think happened". As long as people are buying tickets to the show...and they are. Anything they say now has lost so much credibility because of the amount of time that has passed. You know, if you have enough time to think about what to say about something (Augeri)...you can put any kind of "spin" you want on it.

Yep...and that's a problem. If they try to go out and promote themselves, they are going to be asked about the lead singer change, why it happened, what they think of the lip-synch talk. Then they are either going to have to lie and give the "we didn't know..." bullshit that Dean was trying to pull, or they are going to have to say THEY let it happen too...Or, they'll just not answert he questions, kinda like another former lead singer.

[The Ghost Rider]

But your quote was meant to say that this is what Journey thinks we think happened?

I don't think the band gives a rat's ass what the fans "think happened". As long as people are buying tickets to the show...and they are. Anything they say now has lost so much credibility because of the amount of time that has passed. You know, if you have enough time to think about what to say about something (Augeri)...you can put any kind of "spin" you want on it.

Yep...and that's a problem. If they try to go out and promote themselves, they are going to be asked about the lead singer change, why it happened, what they think of the lip-synch talk. Then they are either going to have to lie and give the "we didn't know..." bullshit that Dean was trying to pull, or they are going to have to say THEY let it happen too...Or, they'll just not answert he questions, kinda like another former lead singer.

They knew. They HAD to know. They are as much to blame as Augeri. Making SA the "scapegoat" in this whole mess is bullshit. I'd have some respect for them if they would have just came out and told the truth, and then say "Hey, we fucked up...made a bad decision...we're moving on." The whole deal of not saying a word about it says to me "We think our fans are fucking stupid. They're buying tickets to the show...so fuck it." Whatever they say from this point on, if anything, doesn't carry much weight. They've had too much time to calculate their response.


Now...


That being said, I have been a fan of JSS for quite some time...way before he joined Journey. The guy kicks ass. He's paid his dues...and I wish him nothing but the best. By most accounts, the live show is going great...and that's cool. And if Journey makes an album with him, I really do hope it blows me away. But, I hope Jeff doesn't turn his back on his other work. It's too good to walk away from.


But...

None of that excuses what these guys did (for me, anyway). They should have come out and told the truth about what was going on right from the start. Looks like to me they pushed their so-called friend in front of a train to save their own asses...which is pretty uncool in my book.

That's just the way I see it.

[RedWingFan]

Well the most obvious way to know it is, to put yourself in the bands position at the surprise that your vocalist has been singing to a tape. There would be shock and outrage and to tell everyone that would listen how you've been victimized. We're getting rid of this piece of crap that pulled this on this great band with this great history. We're going to get a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this. Wouldn't that be most peoples reaction to being betrayed by a "friend"?
But that didn't happen because the band was fully aware of what was going on.

Implicitly, that's EXACTLY what happened.
I think Neal is eccstatic to have washed his hands of the Augeri funk.

The band has done this? I must have missed those interviews! They got caught and they're trying to play it off, with the throat infection story. There was no public outrage from the band because they knew. They used the tape so they could continue to tour and rake in our hard earned cash.

[A Fire Inside]

They knew. They HAD to know. They are as much to blame as Augeri. Making SA the "scapegoat" in this whole mess is bullshit. I'd have some respect for them if they would have just came out and told the truth, and then say "Hey, we fucked up...made a bad decision...we're moving on." The whole deal of not saying a word about it says to me "We think our fans are fucking stupid. They're buying tickets to the show...so fuck it." Whatever they say from this point on, if anything, doesn't carry much weight. They've had too much time to calculate their response.

Now...

That being said, I have been a fan of JSS for quite some time...way before he joined Journey. The guy kicks ass. He's paid his dues...and I wish him nothing but the best. By most accounts, the live show is going great...and that's cool. And if Journey makes an album with him, I really do hope it blows me away. But, I hope Jeff doesn't turn his back on his other work. It's too good to walk away from.

But...

None of that excuses what these guys did (for me, anyway). They should have come out and told the truth about what was going on right from the start. Looks like to me they pushed their so-called friend in front of a train to save their own asses...which is pretty uncool in my book.

That's just the way I see it.

Excellent post!

[The_Noble_Cause]

The band has done this? I must have missed those interviews! They got caught and they're trying to play it off, with the throat infection story. There was no public outrage from the band because they knew. They used the tape so they could continue to tour and rake in our hard earned cash.

No, none of them were publicly shocked or dismayed at the fact that Augeri was lip-synching. However, as u wrote, they did get rid of the singer "that pulled this on this great band with this great history" and got "a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this."
In that respect, yes, they did do that.

[McNeil]

Wow Monker!!!

Yr very own thread..... thrust upon you by your mortal enemy..TNC !!!!!

Jeez.... you must have his respect... big time!!

[heardonthestreet]

The band has done this? I must have missed those interviews! They got caught and they're trying to play it off, with the throat infection story. There was no public outrage from the band because they knew. They used the tape so they could continue to tour and rake in our hard earned cash.

No, none of them were publicly shocked or dismayed at the fact that Augeri was lip-synching. However, as u wrote, they did get rid of the singer "that pulled this on this great band with this great history" and got "a real singer who is going to rock the sock off everyone to right this."
In that respect, yes, they did do that.

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At this point in time, the whole issue of tapegate is pure conjecture and speculation. If you read between the lines, you'll find denial from Cain's interview and possibilities from Neal's interview, but that's only if you read between the lines. The band has not acknowledged the allegations at all and bottom line is that their vocalist has a chronic throat infection and they have a vocalist standing in until their vocalist returns. Nobody pulled anything over on this "great band with this great history."This is a perfect example of how the expression, "Silence Is Golden," is applied.

[Monker]

At this point in time, the whole issue of tapegate is pure conjecture and speculation. If you read between the lines, you'll find denial from Cain's interview and possibilities from Neal's interview, but that's only if you read between the lines. The band has not acknowledged the allegations at all and bottom line is that their vocalist has a chronic throat infection and they have a vocalist standing in until their vocalist returns. Nobody pulled anything over on this "great band with this great history."This is a perfect example of how the expression, "Silence Is Golden," is applied.

I agree...for this tour...that is the "story".

If JSS continues with Journey AFTER this tour...how are they going to play it? Are they going to stick by the 'lie' and ignore Dean's accusations? If they try to go out and tour on their own, or headline a big tour with some other 80's band, they are going to have to answer these questions to the press.

[The_Noble_Cause]

At this point in time, the whole issue of tapegate is pure conjecture and speculation.

Yeah? So?
Perry's incessant mental traumas and faked hip injuries are also only "pure conjecture" and "speculation".
That doesn't stop a good percentage of the hardcore fanbase from knowing the bitter truth:
Your savior is an indolent old bastard who refuses to get off the sofa.

Nobody pulled anything over on this "great band with this great history."This is a perfect example of how the expression, "Silence Is Golden," is applied.

Just because it wasn't acknowledged in a formal PR statement does not mean it didn't occur.
The White House maintains that post-invasion Afghanistan has gone swimmingly well.
Does that make it so?
Someone ought to pull the plug on your comatose ass.

[heardonthestreet]

At this point in time, the whole issue of tapegate is pure conjecture and speculation. If you read between the lines, you'll find denial from Cain's interview and possibilities from Neal's interview, but that's only if you read between the lines. The band has not acknowledged the allegations at all and bottom line is that their vocalist has a chronic throat infection and they have a vocalist standing in until their vocalist returns. Nobody pulled anything over on this "great band with this great history."This is a perfect example of how the expression, "Silence Is Golden," is applied.

I agree...for this tour...that is the "story".

If JSS continues with Journey AFTER this tour...how are they going to play it? Are they going to stick by the 'lie' and ignore Dean's accusations? If they try to go out and tour on their own, or headline a big tour with some other 80's band, they are going to have to answer these questions to the press.

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Not if Augeri returns and I don't see this as an impossibility. I still feel that Soto is only good enough to be a replacement at present, for the tour. The band would be as foolish as hell to acknowledge any of the alleged taping, regardless of who ends up fronting them.
Some of the guys have been interviewed and it would be interesting to know just what was determined between the two parties before the interviews. There most certainly had to be an agreement concerning the interviewer not touching on the tape rumors. If anything, they will probably just state that the whole thing was just blown out of proportion if and when they do get cornered.

[heardonthestreet]

At this point in time, the whole issue of tapegate is pure conjecture and speculation.

Yeah? So?
Perry's incessant mental traumas and faked hip injuries are also only "pure conjecture" and "speculation".
That doesn't stop a good percentage of the hardcore fanbase from knowing the bitter truth:
Your savior is an indolent old bastard who refuses to get off the sofa.

Nobody pulled anything over on this "great band with this great history."This is a perfect example of how the expression, "Silence Is Golden," is applied.

Just because it wasn't acknowledged in a formal PR statement does not mean it didn't occur.
The White House maintains that post-invasion Afghanistan has gone swimmingly well.
Does that make it so?
Someone ought to pull the plug on your comatose ass.

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Noble! Are you angry about something? You're not your usual, polite self.