Will Augeri officially resign? PLUS a Bush/War debate..

[Andrew]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

[Granny]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

Thanks for the info, Andrew. It was appreciated by this old lady.

[RedWingFan]

I am not even going to try and get in a political debate with any of you; I would get stewed
But I would like to share a story with you...

I have been in the AF for 16 years and have deployed in support of one middle east campaign or another 12 times. I was even fortunate to show up to Khobar 1 week after the towers bombing (due to airlift being tasked to Bosnia, thank God, because we we're relieving Eglin AFB and would've been in the main building that was hit.) Anyhow, in 2004 I went on that 12th trip to LSA Anaconda (Balad AB) in the heart of Iraq. In 6 months we averaged 3 rocket/mortar attacks a day. The biggest threats were IEDs left on roads to ambush convoys. Some clever ways these rebels hide these IEDs are trip wires, hiding explosives in trash; they've even gona as far as to hide explosives in dead animals left on roadsides. Add all that to the car bombs and unsuspecting Iraqi children they send to the gates with bags of food for the Coalition troops with explosives hidden in the bottom: And they don't wait until the child walks away. the innocent CHILD gets blown up too... Its a pretty 'violent' place to be right now. But, if you do go out into the communities, you would find out that 80% of the people there WANT our forces to help and WANT our government to help. You won't always hear it shouted out publically because that 20% that does not want us there, the ones still holding on to the old regime's faith and practices, are brutal and relentless. They will stop at nothing to do anything and everything they can to keep the Coalition and our 'influence' out of thier country.
A lot of Americans don't really care what goes on in a country thousands of miles away. But there are those of us that do care. Some of us even joined the military because of our beliefs, especially the belief in Freedom for anyone that wants it. Its pretty sad when your country is loaded with all that oil yet, other than the regime in charge and its cronies, the majority of the populace is dirt poor, starving and living in constant fear.
I sometimes hate that US Military is called upon to basically be 'security guards' for the entire planet but Iraq is one instance in which I think we DO need to be there and I am very proud that I have been (and will be again) a part of this on going war. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Those of us in the military (at least most of us, some thought it'd be a country club) signed up for this kind of stuff. We joined the military so that we could be a part of something this important. Don't cry and protest for us and the 3000 soldiers that have given thier lives for these beliefs. Honor them, pray for them and give them your support whenever you possibly can. Its because of all these brave men and woman that all of you will never need to worry about being drafted.
Pres. Bush got ambushed on his own turf w/i a few months of having the Presidency. He isn't the brighest of sorts but he has had to deal with a world climate and an enemy than any previous Administration. Think about it, it used to be that we knew our enemy and could devise simple plans for attack: Russia makes Nukes, We make more, we know what Iran is up to, we know what Korea is up to... Terrorists cells, religious extremists... They are practically invisible. And if Huessien was still in power, Iraq would be definitely be harboring and hiding terror divisions all over the country. Bin Laden would be staying at one of Saddam's palaces instead of hiding out in some rickety log cabin in but-fuck North Dakota watching ESPN and CNN on Direct TV

Fight all you want about "who knew what" and "who did what wrong" but the simple fact is that places like Iraq, Afghanistan and Korea need us there and we need to be there.

Great post Carlito. Thank you for your service.

[RedWingFan]

I don't bitch about W, I have a serious contempt for the man and his policies concerning our country and the world.

You have a contempt for the "man"? Did you have contempt for Clinton? If Bush is indeed contemptible as a person, if you're honest, I would hope you'd agree that Clinton is no better.

I agreed with Clinton's policies a helluva lot more than I do W's. My opinion of W has nothing to do with my opinion of Clinton- W is running things, or at least appears to be. My contempt is with George W Bush, not Clinton.

You agree with Clinton's policy after the 93 WTC bombing of prosecuting those involved (1 man got away and guess which country he fled to? IRAQ! Yes Iraq was a safe haven for terrorists) His policy after the Kobart towers bombing? he did nothing. The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, he did nothing. The only time he tried to strike out at terrorists was on the day of his testimony in the Lewinsky trial to divert attention from it. That man only cared about himself.

[Rockindeano]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

Boy is that a NICE spin.

WOOFUCKINGHOO! That guy will NEVER sing again. I personally will make sure of that!

[Rockindeano]

I don't bitch about W, I have a serious contempt for the man and his policies concerning our country and the world.

You have a contempt for the "man"? Did you have contempt for Clinton? If Bush is indeed contemptible as a person, if you're honest, I would hope you'd agree that Clinton is no better.

I agreed with Clinton's policies a helluva lot more than I do W's. My opinion of W has nothing to do with my opinion of Clinton- W is running things, or at least appears to be. My contempt is with George W Bush, not Clinton.

You agree with Clinton's policy after the 93 WTC bombing of prosecuting those involved (1 man got away and guess which country he fled to? IRAQ! Yes Iraq was a safe haven for terrorists) His policy after the Kobart towers bombing? he did nothing. The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, he did nothing. The only time he tried to strike out at terrorists was on the day of his testimony in the Lewinsky trial to divert attention from it. That man only cared about himself.

Bullshit. Put down the National Review and think for yourself.

Clinton was twice the president W ever could be.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

Boy is that a NICE spin.

WOOFUCKINGHOO! That guy will NEVER sing again. I personally will make sure of that!

But once again, Drew has "some kind of news, right from Augeri himself" before the Official site and all those adoring fans sending out 10 billion POSITIVE ENERGY posts!!! Too sad...

[Carlitto H@kk]

His policy after the Kobart towers bombing? he did nothing. The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, he did nothing.

I disagree...
I was actually deployed to the region (I work Avionic Systems on Fighters, I was on F15s back then) for BOTH of these incidents (got to Khobar exactly one week after the bombing) and I know for a FACT that strategic military strikes followed... You just may not have heard about them

[RedWingFan]

I don't bitch about W, I have a serious contempt for the man and his policies concerning our country and the world.

You have a contempt for the "man"? Did you have contempt for Clinton? If Bush is indeed contemptible as a person, if you're honest, I would hope you'd agree that Clinton is no better.

I agreed with Clinton's policies a helluva lot more than I do W's. My opinion of W has nothing to do with my opinion of Clinton- W is running things, or at least appears to be. My contempt is with George W Bush, not Clinton.

You agree with Clinton's policy after the 93 WTC bombing of prosecuting those involved (1 man got away and guess which country he fled to? IRAQ! Yes Iraq was a safe haven for terrorists) His policy after the Kobart towers bombing? he did nothing. The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, he did nothing. The only time he tried to strike out at terrorists was on the day of his testimony in the Lewinsky trial to divert attention from it. That man only cared about himself.

Bullshit. Put down the National Review and think for yourself.

Clinton was twice the president W ever could be.

uh yeah, Bush had Saddam hiding in a spider hole. Has Osama cowaring in a cave like the wus he is. And killed Zarqawi. Clinton stained a blue dress

[Crazie Scarab]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

Boy is that a NICE spin.

WOOFUCKINGHOO! That guy will NEVER sing again. I personally will make sure of that!

But once again, Drew has "some kind of news, right from Augeri himself" before the Official site and all those adoring fans sending out 10 billion POSITIVE ENERGY posts!!! Too sad...

Yeah, and it will be either ignored or written off as not true because it's not "officially" written on Journeymusic.com's site..

[Saint John]

I don't bitch about W, I have a serious contempt for the man and his policies concerning our country and the world.

You have a contempt for the "man"? Did you have contempt for Clinton? If Bush is indeed contemptible as a person, if you're honest, I would hope you'd agree that Clinton is no better.

I agreed with Clinton's policies a helluva lot more than I do W's. My opinion of W has nothing to do with my opinion of Clinton- W is running things, or at least appears to be. My contempt is with George W Bush, not Clinton.

You agree with Clinton's policy after the 93 WTC bombing of prosecuting those involved (1 man got away and guess which country he fled to? IRAQ! Yes Iraq was a safe haven for terrorists) His policy after the Kobart towers bombing? he did nothing. The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, he did nothing. The only time he tried to strike out at terrorists was on the day of his testimony in the Lewinsky trial to divert attention from it. That man only cared about himself.

Bullshit. Put down the National Review and think for yourself.

Clinton was twice the president W ever could be.

uh yeah, Bush had Saddam hiding in a spider hole. Has Osama cowaring in a cave like the wus he is. And killed Zarqawi. Clinton stained a blue dress

Not to mention Momar Qaddafi. A guy who fucked with us forever with his "You can't do shit to me" attitude. All of a sudden this: "In 2002, he publicly apologized for the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, and offered to pay compensation to the victims families."

And this: "Following the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by US forces in 2003, Qaddafi announced that his nation had an active weapons of mass destruction program, but was willing to allow international inspectors into his country to observe and dismantle them. The threat posed by WMD programs violating non-proliferation treaty responsibilities had been cited by US President George W. Bush as one of his leading reasons for invading Iraq, and it is believed that after Saddams downfall Qaddafi feared for the future of his own regime if he continued to keep and conceal the weapons. Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi was quoted as saying that Qaddafi had privately phoned him, admitting as much. International inspectors turned up several thousand tonnes of chemical weaponry in Libya, as well as an active nuclear weapons program. The process of destroying the weapons continues, and Libya has improved its cooperation with international monitoring regimes. In March 2004, Prime-Minister-of-the-United-Kingdom Tony Blair became one of the first western leaders in decades to visit Libya and publicly meet Qaddafi. Blair praised Qaddafis recent acts, and stated that he hoped Libya could now be a strong ally in the international war on terrorism. "



It's obvious that George Bush scared this motherfucker straight. Something no other president since Reagan, who bombed the shit out of him killing his daughter, could do.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

holy smokes andrew,,i had to take 4 tylenols to get to the end of this stupid thread!! can u elaberate on SA .. man id love to know,, is there a way to send our support to SA?? whats he up to,, let us know..

[Saint John]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

holy smokes andrew,,i had to take 4 tylenols to get to the end of this stupid thread!! can u elaberate on SA .. man id love to know,, is there a way to send our support to SA?? whats he up to,, let us know..

As far as I know, all support is to be sent through rockin'deano...."Stevie Awesome's" #1 fan.

[Rockindeano]

If I ever see him working the drive thru at Burger king, I will spray water in his face. That fucker shit on all of Perry's songs and made a mockery of Schons' band.


"Fuck you, Steve Augeri."

[larryfromnextdoor]

Steve e-mailed me briefly this week. I think he is doing ok. We have the Tall Stories release to look forward to soon.

holy smokes andrew,,i had to take 4 tylenols to get to the end of this stupid thread!! can u elaberate on SA .. man id love to know,, is there a way to send our support to SA?? whats he up to,, let us know..

As far as I know, all support is to be sent through rockin'deano...."Stevie Awesome's" #1 fan.

oh man ,, and Saint John just happens to see this post,, dang the luck!!!

[Andrew]

Deano,
Unnecessary comments - we know how you feel about SA....enough said I think.

[Rockindeano]

Deano,
Unnecessary comments - we know how you feel about SA....enough said I think.

OK Andrew, don the white frilly cotton panties why don't you?

That scumbag almost tore down this great band, and if it wasn't for me, he just might have succeeded.

Arrogant? Not really. That guy was Hell bent on lipping to great songs. He would have kept up the surade in order to fulfill his checking account. He did NOT care whether or not he did the classics justice. THAT is why I hate his ass.


Andrew, think about it. Fuck him. He is a shit person.

Say what you will, I am happy with what I did, and what has happened.

[A Fire Inside]

surade

I think you mean "charade"...

[Matthew]

I would just like to say that the Muslins believe this is payback for the Crusades and all of history. They have been attacking our interests since '79 when Iran took our hostages,and that goof ball Carter sat there. Reagan raises his hand to be sworn in, and they split the TV screen showing our hostages taking off. Must be something about those cowboys. Then there was the hit on the barricks in Lebanon, the guy in the wheelchair pushed off the ship and the partial hit on one of the Towers in '93. As far as I am concerned many terroroist leaders have been captured and many killed. It may only slow them down awhile,but I believe their monetary structure has been descimated and they are on the run or in a cave @ 10,000 ft in N Pakistan. Other countries are also getting hit and have started to fight back and share info. As far as WMD,what was in the convoy of 55 semi's that Russian special ops crossed into Syria with as we entered the south.It was shown on Fox news.The Israelis watched it get buried in Lebanon. Russia just loves to sell to ANYONE. Saddam harbored terrorists and paid $25,000 to the family of any killed. What was Abu Nidal doing in Iraq? Oops Saddam was having a bad hair day and shot him dead at point blank range. If you think Saddam wasn't trying everyway he could to get WMD with his arch enemy Iran building nukes, then you are not very aware. We will be at war for the rest of my life. Amen

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought George Bush created terrorism by invading Iraq.

Iraq definitely had a brutal dictatorship before the US invasion - but did the country have any terrorist activity within its borders (or sponsor terrorists based in the West?) No. But since the invasion not a day has gone by without a car bomb or a suicide mission. Foreign extremists have flooded into the country...and Iran (an Islamic state unlike Iraq) now has more influence in the interior of the country than it ever has done before....which is a key reason for the conflict between the Shias and the Sunni Muslims...which is tearing the country apart.

So Bush's 'War on Terror' is going really well over there.

As for Squirt's points which 'cleared things up':

"I would just like to say that the Muslins believe this is payback for the Crusades and all of history."

Are you talking about individual terrorist groups? Or the Islamic world in general? Either way - this comment is a sweeping generalisation. Different Arab terrorist groups have different motivations and objectives....

Hamas are focused on the creation of a Palestinian State - and have resorted to terrorist tactics because Israel is armed to the teeth by the USA and Israel routinely terrorizes the communities outside its borders. What other options do the Lebanese, the Iraqis, the Palestinians have?

If the government of your country was unable to defend you and your family...what would you do? Just sit there and take it?

Al-Zaqawi's terrorist group was driven to resist the USA's occupation of Iraq.

Hezbollah is funded and armed by Iran - and they're primary concern is Israel.

But you're right...at the core of all Arab terrorism is a fierce resentment about centuries of humiliation and interference by Britain and America. Yet even so - some Muslim countries are moderate and benign. Are we including the moderate and secular Egyptian government in all this talk of 'Muslims'?

"They have been attacking our interests since '79 when Iran took our hostages..."

The people of Iran had a revolution to overthrow the Shah...who was pretty much a puppet of the US. We might hate the Ayatollah and all he represents...but IT IS THEIR COUNTRY. How well does the average American respond to a foreigner telling them how to live? So why did we feel we had the 'right' to control the internal affairs of Iran?

"Then there was the hit on the barricks in Lebanon..."

Yes - the USA was in Lebanon primarily to protect Israeli interests. Earlier that same year Ariel Sharon (the former Israeli President) was a commander of a unit that massacred an entire refuge camp. At least the 'terrorists' attacked a military target and not hundreds of women and children like the US-supported Israeli army did.

"Russia just loves to sell to ANYONE."

As do Britain and the United States. Let's not forget who armed Saddam Hussein in the first place.

The fact is....Arab terrorism is a RESPONSE to the policies of the US and the UK. Yet I read so many posts which seem to suggest that the agression toward the USA came out of nowhere...that it is simply a hatred of 'infidels'. I reckon we in the West ought to take at least some responsibility for the horrors and conflicts in this region over the decades.

You've clearly found many instances to sympathize with these deranged fuckers.

I'll agree with a lot of what you say, but answer this: Isn't it true that these so called "Muslims", who are trying to kill "infidels" in Iraq, are actually the ones killing the vast majority of civilians? Lula keeps harping about all of the civilians being killed....when in reality it's the insurgency, who are "supposedly" sworn to kill all infidels, who are killing their Muslim "brothers and sisters" for no other purpose than to create a civil war.

The real war we're losing is the propaganda war, mainly because people find ways to sympathize with a group of deranged individuals, who if given the chance, would slit your throat on the spot.

Saint John - it depends on which "deranged fuckers" you are talking about. Do I sympathise with the Palestinian paramilitary in Gaza whose home has been bulldozed...whose family have been killed...whose community has been destroyed...whose country has been displaced and broken up into giant refugee camps...and who after fifty years still hasn't got a state to live in? Can I understand why he would want to fight back by attacking an Isreali military target? Yes - I can. Wouldn't you do the same if Chicago was under seige?

Do I sympathize with a Palestinian suicide bomber who kills innocent Israelis in a nightclub? No. And nor do I sympathize with Mohammed Atta who flew the airliner into the WTC.

You're right - most of the terrorism in Iraq is directed at Iraqi civilians. Most of the key terrorists (such as Al-Zarqawi) are 'foreign fighters' who have entered Iraq since the US invasion and the resulting chaos. The other main terrorist group comes from the Shia Muslim community and who are armed by Iran. Under Saddam Hussein - who was a Sunni Muslim - the Shia/Iranian influence within Iraq was suppressed. Now that the country is in chaos the Shias and the Iranians are more powerful than ever. And it is the Iranian -backed Shias who want to turn Iraq into an Islamic State.

Is this George Bush's 'fault'? Well, he certainly created the conditions for terrorism to flourish even if the US military aren't causing most of the bloodshed.

(By the way, you say Lula keeps "harping" on about the 72,000 civilians who died. What would you think of me if I said "quit harping on about those 3,000 Americans who died on Sep 11"? You'd think I was a barbarian, I'm sure. So why don't the deaths of Arab civilians matter that much? Is the Arab death toll a bore or an irritant to you?)

Is Bush losing the propaganda war? Well, he is internationally. America's standing in the world has never been so low. Also - his domestic ratings are falling.

But has his administration and the right-wing media organisation kept the American people in a state of fear ? Have they demonised Islam and the entire Arab world? Have they made every atrocity committed by Israel seem 'acceptable' and 'justified'?

It seems that all this has been successfully achieved. And - despite living in the most awesomely powerful country in the world - most Americans now have absolutely no sense of security or perspective.

[RedWingFan]

(By the way, you say Lula keeps "harping" on about the 72,000 civilians who died. What would you think of me if I said "quit harping on about those 3,000 Americans who died on Sep 11"?

I think the distinction you're not getting is the people who died on 9/11 were targeted. The U.S. does not try to kill civilians. The U.S. is not barbaric like that. Look how the Russians dealt w/ the Chechnians, they gassed everyone the hostages included. The old KGB used to deal w/ terrorists by vowing to get their families and show them a horrible end. Love your avatar though, I've been in love w/ ONJ since I was 6

[Matthew]

(By the way, you say Lula keeps "harping" on about the 72,000 civilians who died. What would you think of me if I said "quit harping on about those 3,000 Americans who died on Sep 11"?

I think the distinction you're not getting is the people who died on 9/11 were targeted. The U.S. does not try to kill civilians. The U.S. is not barbaric like that. Look how the Russians dealt w/ the Chechnians, they gassed everyone the hostages included. The old KGB used to deal w/ terrorists by vowing to get their families and show them a horrible end. Love your avatar though, I've been in love w/ ONJ since I was 6

Yes, that's definitely true, RaiderFan. I wasn't trying to equate the US with Al-Quaeda. But tens of thousands of civilians have died as an indirect consequence of America's "War on Terror" and it is perhaps too easy for us in the West to dismiss the death toll in the Middle East or to sanitize it by calling it "collateral damage". And the alarming and tragic aspect of all of this is that more and more civilians are dying - in the Middle East and in London and Spain and Indonesia - from an increasingly variety of terrorist cells since America's response to 9/11 began.

So I'd say that yes...America isn't being barbartic...but I do think it is being reckless and misguided.

As for ONJ...well, we're definitely in agreement about her.

[conversationpc]

Clinton was twice the president W ever could be.

[conversationpc]

Boy is that a NICE spin.

WOOFUCKINGHOO! That guy will NEVER sing again. I personally will make sure of that!

As much comic relief as you bring to this forum sometimes, you still seem to make up for it by being quite the ass. Step down off your pedestal for awhile and come back to earth.

[Lula]

Saint John,
I am not "harping" on the deaths of civilians. I am stating a fact that Iraqi civilians are being killed, with the beginning of the killings being the invasion. I do not think the U.S. targets civillians, come on..... I know that there will be horrible and unfortunate events happening during war. W invaded Iraq- no question there, the question is why?? His reasons are unclear to me. WMDs? Liberation? Democracy? Terrorists? And the big one..... 9/11? Dude, in my opinion, the U.S. was so very wrong to invade and occupy Iraq based on the evidence... or lack there of, that has been provided. Of course, I will be hard pressed to agree to any invasion and occupation.

[conversationpc]

If you want to see what radical Islam is all about, watch this...

"Obsession"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +war&hl=en

[RossValoryRocks]

Deano,
Unnecessary comments - we know how you feel about SA....enough said I think.

OK Andrew, don the white frilly cotton panties why don't you?

That scumbag almost tore down this great band, and if it wasn't for me, he just might have succeeded.

Arrogant? Not really. That guy was Hell bent on lipping to great songs. He would have kept up the surade in order to fulfill his checking account. He did NOT care whether or not he did the classics justice. THAT is why I hate his ass.


Andrew, think about it. Fuck him. He is a shit person.

Say what you will, I am happy with what I did, and what has happened.

Deano you and I have talked a lot, and you know how I feel about this whole thing. I can only tell you that: Steve Augeri is a singer for a band, hating him for whatever reason is a bit on the edge of sanity. You did what you felt you had to do and it's all in the past. You get on my for my (admittedly) irrational dislike of Steve Perry as a person so I am telling you the same thing about Steve Augeri.

[Matthew]

If you want to see what radical Islam is all about, watch this...

"Obsession"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +war&hl=en

Dave - the website must be down or something because I tried your link and the one Barb provided and the download got stuck. I'll try again later.

In the meantime...do you know who made this film? And who funded it?

Also - have you seen the documentary about Al-Jazeera?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ntrol+room

[RossValoryRocks]

Dunno why but I've wondered if Deen might be the next one to quit. Not that there's any sign of that happening... just a feeling I get sometimes.

Well, he and Steve were buddies, so I can see that possibility.

If Jon were to leave it would probably be because of the "new sound" JSS is supposedly bringing to the band.

I agree with you Fire, Jon seems the most likely member to not want to continue with this current line-up. He seems so night&day; for the first few shows with JSS most reviews talked of Jon looking bored and unhappy onstage. At the 8Jul M&G Jon didn't even really talk to anyone, he stayed on his cell the whole time. Fast-forward to now and, all of a sudden, reviews are talking of Jon having a lot of fun and really getting into the shows. Check out some of the pix that MaryMoffet has at her site; Jon looks like he is having a blast... It's so hard to tell.
As for Deen, I think Deen has a secret contract with Neal as "Neal Schon's Personal Drummer" Deen may have been freinds with Steve but I think his loyalty, because of their past, is to Neal. If Deen left, I think it would be for family/personal/health reasons.

I agree that it would probably be Jon if anybody was to leave.....just from what I have read about him not looking happy. As for Deen, I think he would be the absolute last one to leave, the guy loves what he does, he even got back out there and finished drumming/singing, sick as dog. I think it was JSS that said he collapsed in his and his dad's arms after the show. I have to say that damn well earns my respect as a fan! Besides I couldn't see Neal working with any other drummer now, him and Deen click too well.

I don't know what people are thinking about Jon looking unhappy, maybe at the beginning when Steve left and Jeff first got there, but I would attibute that to the stress of a change of that magnitude in the middle of HUGE tour. He has been smiling and having a GREAT time at the shows I have seen recently.

[Matthew]

Cain looked bored stiff when I saw Journey in early June. Good to hear he's lightened up.

[squirt1]

Raider fan- you get it. Google Abu Nidal. Yes,the terrorist. Saddam shot him point blank over something. Saddam pd 25,000 to the families of terrorists if they died. Clinton was offered BinLaden,but he could find no legal reason to hold him. Just nuts,just like an attorney would think. We are in the war of our lives and it will NEVER end. This war is to pay back Jews and Christians for history. This started in'79 and GW was the 1st to put them on the run and dry up some of there money supply. The whole world is getting hit. We are in WW III like it or not and it will continue for the rest of our lives. Our good friends Russia and China supply the weapons for $$$$$. I hope it backfires on them.