Kevin Chalfant as Journey singer

[The_Noble_Cause]

Pleease quote anything where Herbie comments on Chalfant not being an "upstanding citizen", or anything even remotely related.

From the Castles Burning interview...
"Augeri's a much better guy than both of those guys, and is a much more solid citizen."

Would you care to suck me off now or later?

[frostbite]

Pleease quote anything where Herbie comments on Chalfant not being an "upstanding citizen", or anything even remotely related.

From the Castles Burning interview...

"Augeri's a much better guy than both of those guys, and is a much more solid citizen." [/b]

Would you care to suck me off now or later?

Touché. LMAO!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Please quote where Herbie ever said this.

They originaly considered KC prior to TBF - and Herbie was still manager. If it was post-TBF, then Herbie was retired...when did he ever say he would come out of retirement to manage Journey with Chalfant?

From this past year's interview with classicrockrevisited.com

"I would have worked with the band again and taken a singer like Kevin Chalfant on....he’s a considerably better singer than Augeri -- might not look as good, doesn’t look bad, but he can really sing."

What a truly sad fucking joke you are.

[heardonthestreet]

My point was that if he JOINED JOURNEY he would be a Perry clone....and that I don't believe Journey should hire anyone to replicate Perry's sound.

Chalfant doesn't sound enough like Perry to be a clone, in my opinion. He has a good voice but it's a good bit thinner than Perry's.

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I agree, Dave. I know it's just me but both Kevin and Augeri remind me more of Bryan Adams than they do of Perry.

Storm is easy to listen to and I enjoy it for the great lyrics. The guys did great without Schon. I think I read that Gregg wanted to get back to doing his own thing. Too bad. I would have enjoyed more from that band.

[NoMoreTails]

Kevin seem to never be in the right place at the right time.

He stepped in for Perry at Herbie's roast and recieved critical accolades for his performance.
Herbie said he would've re-managed the guys if they went with Kevin.
Kevin even wrote and recorded a few numbers with the guys prior to TBF.
If that's not "right place, right time", what is?
Kevin's destiny has been so intertwined with Journey thru the years, it's as if his inclusion was fore-ordained by the melodic gods themselves.
Only record company politics and bad judgement (prolly Neal's) got in the way.

Is there a chance that the deal with Perry could have prohibited them from going with Kevin in '98? This may seem far fetched and Neal gave chemistry as the reason but I believe someone raised this possibilty somewhere before. It seems fairly plausable to me as Perry knew they were about to go with Kevin in '95 and undoubtedly knew Kevin was better than him at that point.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Is there a chance that the deal with Perry could have prohibited them from going with Kevin in '98? This may seem far fetched and Neal gave chemistry as the reason but I believe someone raised this possibilty somewhere before.

I've speculated on this before.
It's possible others like me have raised this possibility so many times that the rumor is now gaining a life of it's own.
I've never heard any official rumblings on it though.

[NoMoreTails]

Is there a chance that the deal with Perry could have prohibited them from going with Kevin in '98? This may seem far fetched and Neal gave chemistry as the reason but I believe someone raised this possibilty somewhere before.

I've speculated on this before.
It's possible others like me have raised this possibility so many times that the rumor is now gaining a life of it's own.
I've never heard any official rumblings on it though.

Chances are its your remarks that I'm thinking of, Backtalk, the old mailing list, and here being the only Journey forums I've read.
I think it sounds like something Perry would try to ram down the guy's throats, but then again, Herbie would probably have know about it and told it.

[Jeremey]

I don't think Perry would have had any say at all in who would have replaced him in 1998, honestly. I'm betting the band just felt like Kevin's time had passed and Neal wanted someone from Brooklyn who could "rock out."

[The_Noble_Cause]

Chances are its your remarks that I'm thinking of, Backtalk, the old mailing list, and here being the only Journey forums I've read.

Could be. Monker mentioned hearing about it recently on this forum, too.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think Perry would have had any say at all in who would have replaced him in 1998, honestly. I'm betting the band just felt like Kevin's time had passed and Neal wanted someone from Brooklyn who could "rock out."

I don't know.
We know Perry was aware of Chalfant.
Perhaps he felt intimidated by his talent and placed a stipulation in the contract when he signed off the band?

[Jeremey]

I don't know.
We know Perry was aware of Chalfant.
Perhaps he felt intimidated by his talent and placed a stipulation in the contract when he signed off the band?

I think it's true he knew about Chalfant, but come on, we're talking about Steve Perry here. In his OWN MIND, regardless of his vocal condition, do you think he would be intimidated by anyone?

[NoMoreTails]

I don't know.
We know Perry was aware of Chalfant.
Perhaps he felt intimidated by his talent and placed a stipulation in the contract when he signed off the band?

I think it's true he knew about Chalfant, but come on, we're talking about Steve Perry here. In his OWN MIND, regardless of his vocal condition, do you think he would be intimidated by anyone?

Yeah, I think he'd be scared about someone he knew was as good or better (post 86) than him taking his place, by ruling Kevin out, at least Journey would have to search for someone whose talent he didn't already know...he thought he was Journey from 81 on, wouldn't want someone in he knew might prove otherwise.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think it's true he knew about Chalfant, but come on, we're talking about Steve Perry here. In his OWN MIND, regardless of his vocal condition, do you think he would be intimidated by anyone?

Oh yes.
What do you think is driving him to re-release all these classic albums and dvds.
He is trying to squelch and overshadow any success the current guys begin to build.

[Monker]

My balls are so big, I need 2 oompa loompa's to accompany me around to carry them.

LOL.

So, Andrew, when are you going to get yhour Oompa Loompa's under control....

Or, does the thread you started mean absolutely NOTHING after only a few days? Perhaps it meant absolutely NOTHING from the start, which is what I really believe.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, Andrew, when are you going to get yhour Oompa Loompa's under control....

Or, does the thread you started mean absolutely NOTHING after only a few days? Perhaps it meant absolutely NOTHING from the start, which is what I really believe.

Why don't you take some your own oft-dispensed advice, and quit lecturing Andrew on the finer points of forum moderating, and actually talk about Journey!

[heardonthestreet]

I think it's true he knew about Chalfant, but come on, we're talking about Steve Perry here. In his OWN MIND, regardless of his vocal condition, do you think he would be intimidated by anyone?

Oh yes.
What do you think is driving him to re-release all these classic albums and dvds.
He is trying to squelch and overshadow any success the current guys begin to build.

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That's a far reach, even for you, Noble. All of his fans are driving him to re-release all that material, plus a desire to bring home what Classic Journey was all about and who Classic Journey was all about and why Journey was even relevant at one time.

[Monker]

So, Andrew, when are you going to get yhour Oompa Loompa's under control....

Or, does the thread you started mean absolutely NOTHING after only a few days? Perhaps it meant absolutely NOTHING from the start, which is what I really believe.

Why don't you take some your own oft-dispensed advice, and quit lecturing Andrew on the finer points of forum moderating, and actually talk about Journey!

Because just like BT, this place has a few ass-kissers who get by with anything. It's just as wrong for it to happen here as it is to happen there.

If Andrew had those balls you two are so fond of fondling, he wouldn't just talk the talk - he would follow through on his threats. He hasn't shown any "balls" on this forum...if anything, he's shown how much of a pussy he really is by not confronting people like you who intentionaly going against his requests.

Everybody knows his words are completely empty. It's all a bunch of crap. He doesn't care if people like you go about insulting people. It's just a bunch of hot air. He has no intention of following through - he never did. And, you know it.

He 'warned' you , if you want to call it that. So, where's your vacation? It will never happen...and everybody on this forum should know that by now. It was obvious within a week. Hell, he didn't even phase you...at least Dean has put on the "I've changed" mask lately...you didn't even try.

[Jeremey fan forever]

I don't think Perry (or anyone with earballs) think Chalfant was a threat to Perry. Are you whacked? Listen to Chalfant without jizm in your ears then abandon your foolish ways. Chalfant is not a Journey caliber singer. Sorry.

[Abitaman]

I don't think Perry (or anyone with earballs) think Chalfant was a threat to Perry. Are you whacked? Listen to Chalfant without jizm in your ears then abandon your foolish ways. Chalfant is not a Journey caliber singer. Sorry.

What cds do you own or have listened to with Chalfant on it?
or are you basing this on the one or two songs you heard on the radio years ago, or from one or part of a cd?

If you picked the first, I say fine, you have heard the music and think different, I respect your thoughts, but strongly disagree
If you pick the bottom I think your opinon is hollow, and really need to listen to some more songs, before you can make a good judgment either way.
ERIC

[A Fire Inside]

If Andrew had those balls you two are so fond of fondling, he wouldn't just talk the talk - he would follow through on his threats. He hasn't shown any "balls" on this forum...if anything, he's shown how much of a pussy he really is by not confronting people like you who intentionaly going against his requests.

Everybody knows his words are completely empty. It's all a bunch of crap. He doesn't care if people like you go about insulting people. It's just a bunch of hot air. He has no intention of following through - he never did. And, you know it.

He 'warned' you , if you want to call it that. So, where's your vacation? It will never happen...and everybody on this forum should know that by now. It was obvious within a week. Hell, he didn't even phase you...at least Dean has put on the "I've changed" mask lately...you didn't even try.

He doesn't confront them because he thinks their insults are hilarious, that's all there is to it.

[Monker]

If Andrew had those balls you two are so fond of fondling, he wouldn't just talk the talk - he would follow through on his threats. He hasn't shown any "balls" on this forum...if anything, he's shown how much of a pussy he really is by not confronting people like you who intentionaly going against his requests.

Everybody knows his words are completely empty. It's all a bunch of crap. He doesn't care if people like you go about insulting people. It's just a bunch of hot air. He has no intention of following through - he never did. And, you know it.

He 'warned' you , if you want to call it that. So, where's your vacation? It will never happen...and everybody on this forum should know that by now. It was obvious within a week. Hell, he didn't even phase you...at least Dean has put on the "I've changed" mask lately...you didn't even try.

He doesn't confront them because he thinks their insults are hilarious, that's all there is to it.

Then Andrew needs to stop lying to the forum when he says that's what he wants.

[Aaron]

Dude,

You're right, Chalfant is a viable option. I seen The Storm rip through a killer set on the Under the Radar tour in Champaign IL just before the Journey show that evening. Chalfant sang a few Journey tunes and kicked their ass. The Storm was better at Journey than Journey was that night. He is the real fuckin deal. He still has the range that Perry doesn't. In my mind that makes him a viable option as well as a potential threat to Perry. Chalfant rocks out. I'm still shocked he didn't get the gig in 1998. I was really pissed about it when he didn't get the nod. However, Augeri grew on me after I seen him live.

L8r,

Aaron

I don't think Perry (or anyone with earballs) think Chalfant was a threat to Perry. Are you whacked? Listen to Chalfant without jizm in your ears then abandon your foolish ways. Chalfant is not a Journey caliber singer. Sorry.

What cds do you own or have listened to with Chalfant on it?
or are you basing this on the one or two songs you heard on the radio years ago, or from one or part of a cd?

If you picked the first, I say fine, you have heard the music and think different, I respect your thoughts, but strongly disagree
If you pick the bottom I think your opinon is hollow, and really need to listen to some more songs, before you can make a good judgment either way.
ERIC

[Abitaman]

Same with Augeri, I was mad when he first got the job over Kevin, BUT I became a fan on Remember Me. I have been a fan ever since, and bought his Tyketto and Tall Stories cds. I have more boots of Augeri thna Perry. Sad to say, I have only one of Kevin -ERIC

[The_Noble_Cause]

Because just like BT, this place has a few ass-kissers who get by with anything.

Find me a post where I kissed McNiece's bushwacker ass.
In this very thread I told him he is a pussy and has balls the size of mouse droppings.
I've never seen anything like that go on at BT.

If Andrew had those balls you two are so fond of fondling, he wouldn't just talk the talk - he would follow through on his threats. He hasn't shown any "balls" on this forum...if anything, he's shown how much of a pussy he really is by not confronting people like you who intentionaly going against his requests.

The guy has made good on his threats and banned me several times over the years.
He simply doesn't come to you're defense because you are trying to micro-manage his affairs, and are always in his hair. Incidentally, much like that bad case of pubic lice you recently contracted.

Everybody knows his words are completely empty. It's all a bunch of crap. He doesn't care if people like you go about insulting people. It's just a bunch of hot air. He has no intention of following through - he never did. And, you know it.

I've been banned. Deano's been banned. Many people here have been banned.

He 'warned' you , if you want to call it that. So, where's your vacation? It will never happen...and everybody on this forum should know that by now. It was obvious within a week. Hell, he didn't even phase you...at least Dean has put on the "I've changed" mask lately...you didn't even try.

Whaa Whaa Whaaa
Go suckle on your mommy's flabby teet.
Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge you were wrong in this thread.
You told me to find you Herbie quotes and I did.
Where's the apology, you self important phony.

[Jeremey fan forever]

I don't think Perry (or anyone with earballs) think Chalfant was a threat to Perry. Are you whacked? Listen to Chalfant without jizm in your ears then abandon your foolish ways. Chalfant is not a Journey caliber singer. Sorry.

What cds do you own or have listened to with Chalfant on it?
or are you basing this on the one or two songs you heard on the radio years ago, or from one or part of a cd?

If you picked the first, I say fine, you have heard the music and think different, I respect your thoughts, but strongly disagree
If you pick the bottom I think your opinon is hollow, and really need to listen to some more songs, before you can make a good judgment either way.
ERIC

I listened to him on Valory's website a few times, usually after someone in here or another Journey site mentions him. I'm not impressed. He is ok, but certainly no more special than Augeri is, and, Tall Stories songs were a hell of a lot better than Storm songs. Seems like some people thing any high voice sounds like Perry, as if thats all there was to his voice. Chalfant's voice doesnt do much for me, even though he can sing some high notes ok.

[Jeremey fan forever]

Just listened again ( I dont know why) and I would say this: Survivor should have picked him up, and thats a perfect fit! No insult either, I think Survivor was a pretty decent band. The Storm music has that Survivor feel to it more than it did a Journey feel. I wonder if Survivor ever gave him a look? They should!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not impressed. He is ok, but certainly no more special than Augeri is,

The creator of Journey would take issue with that statement.

Tall Stories songs were a hell of a lot better than Storm songs.

I think both bands are pretty good.
If you don't mind me asking, what makes TS a "hell of a lot better" ?

[Jeremey fan forever]

I'm not impressed. He is ok, but certainly no more special than Augeri is,

The creator of Journey would take issue with that statement.

Tall Stories songs were a hell of a lot better than Storm songs.

I think both bands are pretty good.
If you don't mind me asking, what makes TS a "hell of a lot better" ?

TS had better vocals, better guitars, more attitude, and edgier vibe. Storm sounds too much like Survivor. I think survivor is good as far as they all have talent, but some of it is too bubble gummish for my taste. Storm was too bubble gum also. Chalfant in the high register sounds too much like Emmet. Great if you like that, but I don't. Its not special enough. Lacks emotion and depth somehow. I can put my finger on it exactly, but it just doesn't do it for me. I'm not content with JSS in Journey either, because he can't hit all the notes and has the wrong tone for these songs, BUT he can flat out sing, AND has a lot of depth and soul to his singing. In this way, JSS is still better than Chalfant. Chalfant would make all the things about Journey being a "commercial band" and bubble gum rock actually come true.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TS had better vocals, better guitars, more attitude, and edgier vibe. Storm sounds too much like Survivor. I think survivor is good as far as they all have talent, but some of it is too bubble gummish for my taste. Storm was too bubble gum also. Chalfant in the high register sounds too much like Emmet. Great if you like that, but I don't. Its not special enough. Lacks emotion and depth somehow. I can put my finger on it exactly, but it just doesn't do it for me. I'm not content with JSS in Journey either, because he can't hit all the notes and has the wrong tone for these songs, BUT he can flat out sing, AND has a lot of depth and soul to his singing. In this way, JSS is still better than Chalfant. Chalfant would make all the things about Journey being a "commercial band" and bubble gum rock actually come true.

Thanks for the write-up.
Kevin's voice is more high pitched than Jeffs, but I don't think he sings on auto-pilot.
Plenty of emotion there.
Like Perry, I think he emotes fanatstically well.
Jeff's voice might seem more dimensional because he sounds almost like a baritone!
I don't think Kevin's inclusion would've made the band seem anymore "commerical" than they were already reputed to be.
Even with Augeri and now with Jeff they will always be referred to as that corporate 80's rock band.

[Monker]

The guy has made good on his threats and banned me several times over the years.
He simply doesn't come to you're defense because you are trying to micro-manage his affairs, and are always in his hair.

You are so full of shit. He doesn't give a damn what you say any longer. Once upon a time, while you were having a wet dream about sucking his dick, he may have banned you. But, not in recent times.

I've been banned. Deano's been banned. Many people here have been banned.

Since his infamous threat of closing down the forum some months ago, he has let you and several others do whatever the fuck you want. THAT is the truth.

Andrew's warnings are so fucking stupid...YOU know he's not going to do anything about what you say. I know he's not...EVERYBODY knows he's not. So, hey, have a fuckfest on this forum like you always do. It's business as usual...Andrew's warning about banning people means absolutely nothing...it's nothing but a pacifier for those who have complaints - not a warning to the assholes who cause the complainers to complain. Nobody will be banned. Nobody should even feel a threat of it happening...cuz there really is none.

[Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge you were wrong in this thread.

No I wasn't. I said I didn't believe it, and for you to quote it...and that I didn't feel like going back through the Herbie interview to verify. But, instead of you coming back and quoting it and having a conversation about it...you have to have this pissy attitude about it. Well, fuck off, I don't have to do as you demand I do.