OT: Women - Republicans vs. Democrats

[SteveForever]

Find some good Democratic leaders and put them out there, we can't help it if your party can't unite. Who you got? whiny Liebermann, rich boy Kerry, Barney Clark?

The Republicans can't unite, either, for that matter. They can't unite on one of the most important issues right now, immigration reform and border security. Along with the Libs, they are mostly a bunch of sorry losers.

Good points my brotha! but...atleast the Repubs are proposing something on the table to move forward on this issues-the Democrats just sit back and complain and whine and say "we gotta do more." They keep letting the far Left speak for the moderates. They need some other leadership out front, you got it right though politicians are .... Saying Bush is bad Bush is bad, solves=O

[The_Noble_Cause]

Good points my brotha! but...atleast the Repubs are proposing something on the table to move forward on this issues-the Democrats just sit back and complain and whine and say "we gotta do more." They keep letting the far Left speak for the moderates. They need some other leadership out front, you got it right though politicians are .... Saying Bush is bad Bush is bad, solves=O

You're an imbecile.
Do you have any idea how many Democrats have submitted their own independent proposals of what to do in Iraq.

[SteveForever]

yeah maybe Barney isn't in office anymore but eewwwwwwwwwwwww, he was. Meltdown? yeah we got our own science projects like Duke Cunningham. but hey we got this guy!!!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

atleast the Repubs are proposing something on the table to move forward on this issues

Yeah, I almost forgot.

"Stay the course!"


Positively brilliant!

[SteveForever]

Good points my brotha! but...atleast the Repubs are proposing something on the table to move forward on this issues-the Democrats just sit back and complain and whine and say "we gotta do more." They keep letting the far Left speak for the moderates. They need some other leadership out front, you got it right though politicians are .... Saying Bush is bad Bush is bad, solves=O

You're an imbecile.
Do you have any idea how many Democrats have submitted their own independent proposals of what to do in Iraq.

Well you just answered your own question/argument with "independent proposals", I'd hardly call that unity.

[The_Noble_Cause]

yeah maybe Barney isn't in office anymore but eewwwwwwwwwwwww, he was.

No, he wasn't.
Who the fuck is Barney Clark.

but hey we got this guy!!!!!

Who disagrees with the President and the GOP on a virtual laundry list of things (pro-choice, pro-stem cell, global warming etc).
Are you on crack?

[SteveForever]

atleast the Repubs are proposing something on the table to move forward on this issues

Yeah, I almost forgot.

"Stay the course!"


Positively brilliant!

REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH? Oh now that's a plan...make everyone poor....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well you just answered your own question/argument with "independent proposals", I'd hardly call that unity.

You said they weren't coming up with ideas.
Either remain steadfastly behind your own sinking arguments or admit your error.

[SteveForever]

yeah maybe Barney isn't in office anymore but eewwwwwwwwwwwww, he was.

No, he wasn't.
Who the fuck is Barney Clark.

but hey we got this guy!!!!!

Who disagrees with the President and the GOP on a virtual laundry list of things (pro-choice, pro-stem cell, global warming etc).
Are you on crack?

Clark was a homo Congressman, don't you read the papers? google him alot of people have done worse to him. Am I on crack? no all the crack is being used by the rich Hollywood liberals that won't share.

[The_Noble_Cause]

REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH? Oh now that's a plan...make everyone poor....

"Stay the Course" is an actual slogan invoked daily by the Republican party.
What Democrat is out there currently saying "Resdistribution of wealth?".
Do you get ur news from anyone besides Sean Hannity?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Clark was a homo Congressman, don't you read the papers? google him alot of people have done worse to him.

You mean Barney Frank?

Am I on crack? no all the crack is being used by the rich Hollywood liberals that won't share.

Rich Hollywood liberals like ur beloved GOP poster child, Arnold Schwarzenegger?

[SteveForever]

REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH? Oh now that's a plan...make everyone poor....

"Stay the Course" is an actual slogan invoked daily by the Republican party.
What Democrat is out there currently saying "Resdistribution of wealth?".
Do you get ur news from anyone besides Sean Hannity?

Yes, I listen to Art Bell and E channel.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yes, I listen to Art Bell and E channel.

Call Coast to Coast tonite.
Say you are the one person still on the planet who thinks Bush isn't a fuck up.
Art or George will put u on air faster than a caller who is in the middle of an alien butt probing.
Yes, you're that much of an anomaly.

[SteveForever]

Clark was a homo Congressman, don't you read the papers? google him alot of people have done worse to him.

You mean Barney Frank?

Am I on crack? no all the crack is being used by the rich Hollywood liberals that won't share.

Rich Hollywood liberals like ur beloved GOP poster child, Arnold Schwarzenegger?

That's right, Barney Frank-furter, a Barney Clark is a hamburger with 2 fried eggs, cheese, bacon on top-so appropriate by the way. I was being tongue and cheek about Arnold, you know that right-you are the king of sarcasm and I love you.....

[SteveForever]

Yes, I listen to Art Bell and E channel.

Call Coast to Coast tonite.
Say you are the one person still on the planet who thinks Bush isn't a fuck up.
Art or George will put u on air faster than a caller who is in the middle of an alien butt probing.
Yes, you're that much of an anomaly.

yeah and why is it Always anal probing? I never said Bush hasn't made mistakes.....

[Matthew]

Ok, and as I do that you can thumb thru the last week's 148 pg report from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence which states unequivocally (yet again) that Saddam had no link to Al Qaeda.

The issue isn't necessarily whether Iraq had a link to Al Qaeda. It's partly do do with Iraq having a link to ANY terrorist organizations or individuals. It's well known that Saddam rewarded the families of the Palestinian homicide bombers.

Where do you stand on the United States' special relationship with Saudi Arabia, Dave?

Here's two articles about Saudi Arabia. The first details the amount of arms which America sold to Saudi Arabia in the years leading up to September 11th - despite the total lack of 'democracy' and 'freedom' in that country.

And the second explores how influential Saudi Arabia has been in the rise of Islamic terrorism.


This is from "US Arms Clients Profiles" - http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/saudi_arabia.htm - and was written just before the September 11th attacks:

"Saudi Arabia is America’s top customer. Since 1990, the U.S. government has arranged for the delivery of more than $39.6 billion in  foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia, and an additional $394 million worth of arms were delivered to the Saudi regime through the State Department’s direct commercial sales program during that same period.

The United States has very close and long-running military ties to the Saudi regime dating back to 1945.
Despite the show of U.S. support demonstrated by this astounding quantity of arms sales, Saudi Arabia’s human rights record is very poor. 

The government prohibits or restricts freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, and religion. Since Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, there is no method or right by which citizens can bring about government change."


This next article was written in 2003...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main ... do2201.xml


HOW SAUDI ARABIA SPREADS TERRORISM AND HATRED OF THE WEST

By Daniel Johnson(Filed: 22/07/2003)

According to Newsweek, a congressional joint intelligence inquiry has concluded that Saudi Arabia was deeply implicated in the attacks of September 11. A close associate of the al-Qa'eda hijackers, Omar al-Bayoumi, is alleged to have been working as a Saudi agent, operating from the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles.

The Bush administration has censored an entire section from the report, detailing the Saudi role in the events leading up to the attacks. These suppressed passages are said to explain how Saudi diplomats provided financial and logistical support for the terrorists.

In America, Saudi-funded charities spread hate propaganda against Jews and Christians. The Chicago office of the Islamic Benevolence Committee was used as a cover by bin Laden operatives until the authorities indicted its head for conspiracy and racketeering and blocked its bank accounts.

In the Middle East, Gold produces documentary evidence of how a committee established by another Saudi royal prince pumped money into Hamas and Islamic Jihad, including nursery schools for suicide bombers.

As David Gold concludes: "The Saudis were up to their necks in terrorism."

They are also in breach of UN Security Council Resolution 1373, which makes support for terrorism a violation of international law."

So is Bush putting pressure on Saudi Arabia to become a democracy? Introduce a Bill of Rights? Hunt down and punish the terrorist organisations who are operating within Saudi Arabia? Or who finance terrorist cells abroad?

No. Saudi Arabia is America's most valued ally and client in the Middle East. This isn't what I'd call "kicking terrorist ass".

[conversationpc]

...you are the king of sarcasm and I love you.....

Dang, it's getting sticky in here...

[The_Noble_Cause]

a Barney Clark is a hamburger with 2 fried eggs, cheese, bacon on top-so appropriate by the way.

That sounds damn good.

you know that right-you are the king of sarcasm and I love you.....

Close the blinds. Let's have us some repressed Conservative sex (no doggie allowed).

[conversationpc]

Where do you stand on the United States' special relationship with Saudi Arabia, Dave?

Without even reading your entire post, I can already tell that I've heard it all before. Where I stand is that our government are a bunch of morons for trusting Saudi Arabia. For that matter, we shouldn't be trusting Russia or China, either. All three of them are going to end up biting us in the ass in one way or another.

[Matthew]

Where do you stand on the United States' special relationship with Saudi Arabia, Dave?

Without even reading your entire post, I can already tell that I've heard it all before. Where I stand is that our government are a bunch of morons for trusting Saudi Arabia. For that matter, we shouldn't be trusting Russia or China, either. All three of them are going to end up biting us in the ass in one way or another.

You've heard it all before - but you support America spending billions of dollars and losing thousands of lives in the "War on Terror" In Iraq...even though the ideology and funding of the most vicious and anti-American strain of Islamic terrorism can all be traced back to Saudi Arabia.

Anyway...for all the anti-terrorist and anti-Communist rhetoric over the years...the USA needs to "trust" Saudi Arabia and China...because without them your economy would collapse.

[conversationpc]

You've heard it all before - but you support America spending billions of dollars and losing thousands of lives in the "War on Terror" In Iraq...even though the ideology and funding of the most vicious and anti-American strain of Islamic terrorism can all be traced back to Saudi Arabia.

Well, if it weren't for Tony Blair, Great Britain would be just as inept at doing anything about terrorism as most of the other European countries currently are. Iraq flaunted international law for years with no one doing a darn thing about it until we decided to. The U.N. threatened and backed off like a cowardly grade school bully for years and Iraq would've continued to have their way until they were more than just a threat to their neighbors and us.

Regardless, if we would've gone in there with overwhelming force in the first place rather than pussyfooting around for the last five years, we wouldn't have as many problems as we currently do. Instead, as Michael Savage has said numerous times, we have just enough troops there to not win the war convincingly.

Anyway...for all the anti-terrorist and anti-Communist rhetoric over the years...the USA needs to "trust" Saudi Arabia and China...because without them your economy would collapse.

If we would simply get off Saudi Arabia's tit and start using our own resources, there wouldn't be an issue. As far as China goes, I think we could survive quite nicely without bending over to the Chinese.

[Matthew]

Well, if it weren't for Tony Blair, Great Britain would be just as inept at doing anything about terrorism as most of the other European countries currently are.

Yes - he's so successful at fighting terrorism that the London Underground got bombed killing over 50 people. The reason for the attack? Blair's policy in Iraq.

Worth bearing in mind that this was the first EVER attack by Islamic terrorists in Britain. The other country which supported Bush was Spain. Once again...Islamic terrorists caused carnage in Madrid.

The other European countries who didn't support Bush? Well, they haven't suffered any Islamic terrorist attacks.

And how's the terrorism situation in Iraq itself? Not a day goes by without a car bomb or a suicide mission.

Meanwhile...vast sums of money flow out of Saudi Arabia to fund a growing multitude of Islamic terrorist groups...and Bush is too in awe of the Saudi Royal Family's resources to put any meaningful pressure on them.

I'd say that if any leader is being "inept"...if any leader is behaving "like a cowardly grade school bully"... it's the one you voted for.

[conversationpc]

Yes - he's so successful at fighting terrorism that the London Underground got bombed killing over 50 people. The reason for the attack? Blair's policy in Iraq.

Worth bearing in mind that this was the first EVER attack by Islamic terrorists in Britain. The other country which supported Bush was Spain. Once again...Islamic terrorists caused carnage in Madrid.

The other European countries who didn't support Bush? Well, they haven't suffered any Islamic terrorist attacks.

And how's the terrorism situation in Iraq itself? Not a day goes by without a car bomb or a suicide mission.

Meanwhile...vast sums of money flow out of Saudi Arabia to fund a growing multitude of Islamic terrorist groups...

I'd say that if any leader is being "inept" it's the one you voted for.

You people in Europe are eventually going to learn that the radical Islamic Fascists are going to end up coming after you regardless of if your country supports Bush or not. There goal is not just to oppose the countries who are in Iraq. Their eventual goal is to dominate the entire world. They are following the same kind of path that Hitler did in his day. Wake up and read the speaches of President Ahmadinejad from Iran and read exactly what his intentions are. They will stop at nothing, even the deaths of themselves and their own people, to bring about their goals.

Yes, in the short term, they will couch their opposition in terms of the U.S. and our policies in the Middle East, but they will eventually be knocking on the door of other countries that don't fall in line with their religious beliefs.

Do some research about all the wars and terrorist activities across the entire world and you will see that they are happening in places where there is no support of Bush or the U.S.

You can continue to bury your head in the sand if you like but don't be surprised when you wake up to news of terrorist attacks in your own country even after Blair is gone.

[Matthew]

Yes - he's so successful at fighting terrorism that the London Underground got bombed killing over 50 people. The reason for the attack? Blair's policy in Iraq.

Worth bearing in mind that this was the first EVER attack by Islamic terrorists in Britain. The other country which supported Bush was Spain. Once again...Islamic terrorists caused carnage in Madrid.

The other European countries who didn't support Bush? Well, they haven't suffered any Islamic terrorist attacks.

And how's the terrorism situation in Iraq itself? Not a day goes by without a car bomb or a suicide mission.

Meanwhile...vast sums of money flow out of Saudi Arabia to fund a growing multitude of Islamic terrorist groups...

I'd say that if any leader is being "inept" it's the one you voted for.

You people in Europe are eventually going to learn that the radical Islamic Fascists are going to end up coming after you regardless of if your country supports Bush or not. There goal is not just to oppose the countries who are in Iraq. Their eventual goal is to dominate the entire world. They are following the same kind of path that Hitler did in his day. Wake up and read the speaches of President Ahmadinejad from Iran and read exactly what his intentions are. They will stop at nothing, even the deaths of themselves and their own people, to bring about their goals.

Yes, in the short term, they will couch their opposition in terms of the U.S. and our policies in the Middle East, but they will eventually be knocking on the door of other countries that don't fall in line with their religious beliefs.

Do some research about all the wars and terrorist activities across the entire world and you will see that they are happening in places where there is no support of Bush or the U.S.

You can continue to bury your head in the sand if you like but don't be surprised when you wake up to news of terrorist attacks in your own country even after Blair is gone.

I'm fully aware of the ferocity and determination of Islamic fascists. But I don't see any genuine outrage about the botched job the USA and Britain are making about this - and again - you seem only mildly concerned that the USA and Britain are not addressing the life-blood of international Islamic terrorism...who are the Saudis.

Yes - Islamic terrorists are attacking Indonesia...Moscow...it's everywhere. And yet we make no attempt to strangle the supply of money and weaponry at the souce. Quite the opposite - we actually IMPORT millions and millions of dollars in arms into the very country that gave the Islamic fascists their ideology and their finances.

So I am sufficiently alarmed by the threat of global Islamic terrorism. Are you sufficiently alarmed that your own government are enabling and tolerating the growth of this terrorism?

Because if you think the war in Iraq has ANYTHING to do with Islamic fascism then you are very much mistaken. Saddam Hussein's regime was a secular government - and now that Iraq is in chaos the Iranians (who ARE Islamic fascists) now have more influence in Iraq than they have done in decades.

So...we agree on the extent of the threat...but for the life of me I can't see how you can have faith that the US and Britain are either serious about or capable of dealing with the threat.

[conversationpc]

I'm fully aware of the ferocity and determination of Islamic fascists. But I don't see any genuine outrage about the botched job the USA and Britain are making about this - and again - you seem only mildly concerned that the USA and Britain are not addressing the life-blood of international Islamic terrorism...who are the Saudis.

Don't take your venom out on me about that. I agree with you.

So I am sufficiently alarmed by the threat of global Islamic terrorism. Are you sufficiently alarmed that your own government are enabling and tolerating the growth of this terrorism?

No, I don't agree with much of what our government does but, at this point, it wouldn't matter what we do. They are hell bent on the destruction first of Israel and America. If they accomplish that, they will then be coming for you. They are no fan of Europe at all.

So...we agree on the extent of the threat...but for the life of me I can't see how you can have faith that the US and Britain are either serious about or capable of dealing with the threat.

It's obvious that we are not as serious as we should be or our military force there in Iraq AND Afghanistan would be vastly increased. We don't have enough troops there to get the job done sufficiently.

[Matthew]

Don't take your venom out on me about that. I agree with you.

I wasn't meaning to sound venomous at you. Apologies for the tone if it came across that way.

No, I don't agree with much of what our government does but, at this point, it wouldn't matter what we do. They are hell bent on the destruction first of Israel and America. If they accomplish that, they will then be coming for you. They are no fan of Europe at all.

Dave - last year the London bombs went off about fifteen minutes away from where I live - so I'm fully aware of the threat. I disagree that it doeesn't matter what we do though. Yes - there will always be a threat - but we are currently making it worse.

It's obvious that we are not as serious as we should be or our military force there in Iraq AND Afghanistan would be vastly increased. We don't have enough troops there to get the job done sufficiently.

Well - the creation of a Palestinian state...a more effective CIA in the region...diplomatic and economic pressure on Saudi Arabia (combined with greater self-reliance in the US)....stronger links with allies around the world rather than increasing hostility...these are just some of the strategies that might also help the situation. The increased use of military force isn't enough on its own - and has so far has largely been used in a misguided way.

[X factor]

Don't take your venom out on me about that. I agree with you.

I wasn't meaning to sound venomous at you. Apologies for the tone if it came across that way.

No, I don't agree with much of what our government does but, at this point, it wouldn't matter what we do. They are hell bent on the destruction first of Israel and America. If they accomplish that, they will then be coming for you. They are no fan of Europe at all.

Dave - last year the London bombs went off about fifteen minutes away from where I live - so I'm fully aware of the threat. I disagree that it doeesn't matter what we do though. Yes - there will always be a threat - but we are currently making it worse.

It's obvious that we are not as serious as we should be or our military force there in Iraq AND Afghanistan would be vastly increased. We don't have enough troops there to get the job done sufficiently.

Well - the creation of a Palestinian state...a more effective CIA in the region...diplomatic and economic pressure on Saudi Arabia (combined with greater self-reliance in the US)....stronger links with allies around the world rather than increasing hostility...these are just some of the strategies that might also help the situation. The increased use of military force isn't enough on its own - and has so far has largely been used in a misguided way.

Preach on, Matthew- you know your politics, bro...(however, I long ago gave up the pipedream that we would ever stop sucking the Saudi's collective dicks...still, it's a nice dream!)
...but I still think ROR is a turd!

[Matthew]

Preach on, Matthew- you know your politics, bro...(however, I long ago gave up the pipedream that we would ever stop sucking the Saudi's collective dicks...still, it's a nice dream!)
...but I still think ROR is a turd!

Your post was going so well...but then you had to blow it!

[lights1961]

TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION this will take some doing for democrats who think Bush is the enemy!! Here it goes..

WHO IS THE ENEMY of the state??? Is it 1A..KARL ROVE 1B GWB 2. CASTRO 3 CHAVEZ. 4 UBL.. There are others out there, just keeping it simple!! have fun.



Rick

[The_Noble_Cause]

TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION this will take some doing for democrats who think Bush is the enemy!! Here it goes..

WHO IS THE ENEMY of the state??? Is it 1A..KARL ROVE 1B GWB 2. CASTRO 3 CHAVEZ. 4 UBL.. There are others out there, just keeping it simple!! have fun.

Rick

Only a typical mush-brained Conservative would be as stupid to look at the world in absolute terms of black and white and good and evil.
All of the above mentioned people suck.
Some harder than others, some less.