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Re: MY Opinion

Postby A Fire Inside » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:10 pm

Saint John wrote:All Augeri has to do is address the issue. If he did nothing wrong then he should release a statement through his publicist or another outlet. His silence is what has created the "snowball" effect. If he is an innocent man there should be no reason not to come forward and say so. No amount of money should be able to silence a man being accused of what he is. His voice is/was his career. Any individual that cared about their career and image would've responded when the story went nationwide. Just do a Google search and look at some of the places the story surfaced.

He can't do that because he's not innocent. That's fine, I accept that. THE BAND NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. Not just Augeri. Unfortunately, most people here think that silently replacing him is a great and acceptable way to avoid the subject. They all had to know about the miming. They are therefore all responsible. Crucifying Augeri alone is what disgusts me.

As for the Neal comment, he is playing as well now as he ever has.

So? Was I commenting on his playing? TNC's caption in the "bad pics" thread was spot-on - the man makes grandpa faces.

If anyone, you should've commented about the constipated look Cain had for the last 3 years.

Ok, add him to the list, I don't care. My point is... Augeri danced onstage, BUT WHY DOES THAT MATTER? It's just some lame low-blow bandwagon.
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Re: MY Opinion

Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:31 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:Any person with a brain knows what happened…


I’ve got a brain and know what happened. JOURNEY appears to have used tapes. Their concerts opening with “Won’t Get Fooled Again” is a rather strong hint. Or is it?

What also happened was a travesty. Several people “of acclaim” including you went on a crusade to “save” everyone from the deceitful and evil Steve Augeri.

Was that REALLY your motivation?

The motivation behind your actions and the other so-called people of acclaim is highly questionable. A person of acclaim behaves accordingly. A person of acclaim does NOT need to crusade against another person. Doing so comes across as a ploy to attract attention to oneself. It seems to me that the motivation was to use JOURNEY in order to attract personal attention and gain notoriety or as you call it “Melodic Rock Capital.”

You believed you had evidence of JOURNEY using tape however you never bothered to consider WHY. You never considered that maybe there were good and justifiable reasons. You didn’t want to know why. What you saw was an opportunity to capitalize on JOURNEY. Your crusade reduced MelodicRock.com to a cheap grocery store tabloid.

And you’ve pinned it ALL on Steve Augeri. Don’t you think that anyone else in JOURNEY knew – even supported it? Management? Roadies? Technicians? Don’t you think that Def Lep knew?

You thought nobody knew except yourself and a couple other people of acclaim.

Pretty arrogant!

The fact is that IF it were true then the people of REAL acclaim accepted it. Maybe for the good and justifiable reasons that you never bothered to consider.

Rockin'Deano wrote:People who are involved, ie, people who matter, have accepted this and moved on.

The sad thing here is that you actually felt a need to start things moving to begin with.

Rockin'Deano wrote:I am not happy with the way it was done,


I don’t believe that. I believe that you’re VERY happy.

Rockin'Deano wrote:but seriously folks, was there a better way?


To use JOURNEY in order to attract attention and gain “Melodic Rock Capital”? No. I can’t think of a better way.

Rockin'Deano wrote:There had to be some fire and brimstone thrown to affect change,


So you thought JOURNEY needed to make a change and YES – you found a way to try to make that happen without regard to whom or what you might affect. Just as long as you got what you want.

That’s messed up.

Rockin'Deano wrote:…especially when the part needing change was not willing to do his job with integrity,


Seems to me that everyone else of REAL acclaim felt he was willing to do his job with integrity.

Rockin'Deano wrote:…thus I came into view, and what happened, well, happened, and frankly, it's the best we could have ever hoped for being Journey fans.


You’re my hero! Thanks for saving me from that evil Steve Augeri. I want to be just like you when I grow up! You’re such a compass of morality!

Not really. As a JOURNEY fan I’m not feeling that same sense of joy and self-worth that you’re espousing.

Rockin'Deano wrote:By the way, I don't need a title "staking claim to anything." I know what I did, so does Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and others. Folks, it's all good now. Can we put this thing behind us and move on?


What you did was a travesty. You had a personal vendetta against Steve Augeri and you exacted it. Nothing “all good” about that.

You don’t really want to put this behind and move on. This is your claim to what you think is some kind of fame.

What YOUR brain fails to recognize is that tapes didn’t matter to anyone of REAL acclaim. :wink:
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Re: MY Opinion

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:27 am

FyreWyngz wrote:You believed you had evidence of JOURNEY using tape however you never bothered to consider WHY. You never considered that maybe there were good and justifiable reasons. You didn’t want to know why.


If you're so quick to come to their defense, why can't you concoct some hypothetical scenarios wherein cheating ur fans would be justifiable.
I've made repeated appeals, and yet still, u cravenly tip-toe around the issue.

Again, I ask you....
When is lip syncing for over a tour and a half EVER justifiable?

Even if the guys donated all of the touring proceeds to Katrina relief, it still isn't right.
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Re: MY Opinion

Postby conversationpc » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:53 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Again, I ask you....
When is lip syncing for over a tour and a half EVER justifiable?

Even if the guys donated all of the touring proceeds to Katrina relief, it still isn't right.


Maybe there is a Milli Vanilli relief fund for the surviving member.
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Re: MY Opinion

Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:00 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
FyreWyngz wrote:You believed you had evidence of JOURNEY using tape however you never bothered to consider WHY. You never considered that maybe there were good and justifiable reasons. You didn’t want to know why.


If you're so quick to come to their defense, why can't you concoct some hypothetical scenarios wherein cheating ur fans would be justifiable.
I've made repeated appeals, and yet still, u cravenly tip-toe around the issue.

Again, I ask you....
When is lip syncing for over a tour and a half EVER justifiable?

Even if the guys donated all of the touring proceeds to Katrina relief, it still isn't right.


I'm not necessarily defending anyone. I'm saying: I CAN'T PASS JUDGEMENT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE FACTS.

You want me to come up with hypothetical scenarios wherein cheating is justifiable. First I don't know that they cheated. Was that their intent? To cheat? Define cheating in this instance. How can you? You've stated that it's OK for some artists to "cheat" like Britney because she has a nice booty but it's NOT OK for Journey to "cheat." I mean - how do YOU define cheating? And can you prove that that's what Journey was doing?

My whole position is that the people in and around Journey including Def Lep HAD to have known about it AND the reasons. None of them were trying to blow the whistle on these so-called cheaters so I HAVE to assume that it wasn't cheating but rather a necessary evil as I find the people in and around Journey more reputable than any of the internet characters "of acclaim" that sought to make a name for themselves through obnoxious tabloid-type internet schlock "journalism".
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Re: MY Opinion

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:11 am

FyreWyngz wrote: First I don't know that they cheated. Was that their intent? To cheat? Define cheating in this instance. How can you? You've stated that it's OK for some artists to "cheat" like Britney because she has a nice booty but it's NOT OK for Journey to "cheat." I mean - how do YOU define cheating? And can you prove that that's what Journey was doing?


Skirting the issue yet again.
It's ok to hold other people's scrot to the fire and demand answers, but when it comes to yourself, u get a pass. :roll:


My whole position is that the people in and around Journey including Def Lep HAD to have known about it AND the reasons. None of them were trying to blow the whistle on these so-called cheaters so I HAVE to assume that it wasn't cheating but rather a necessary evil as I find the people in and around Journey more reputable than any of the internet characters "of acclaim" that sought to make a name for themselves through obnoxious tabloid-type internet schlock "journalism".


Yeah, that, or maybe DefLeppard has been using help for years and continues to even on this tour.
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Re: MY Opinion

Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:56 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
FyreWyngz wrote: First I don't know that they cheated. Was that their intent? To cheat? Define cheating in this instance. How can you? You've stated that it's OK for some artists to "cheat" like Britney because she has a nice booty but it's NOT OK for Journey to "cheat." I mean - how do YOU define cheating? And can you prove that that's what Journey was doing?


Skirting the issue yet again.
It's ok to hold other people's scrot to the fire and demand answers, but when it comes to yourself, u get a pass. :roll:


My whole position is that the people in and around Journey including Def Lep HAD to have known about it AND the reasons. None of them were trying to blow the whistle on these so-called cheaters so I HAVE to assume that it wasn't cheating but rather a necessary evil as I find the people in and around Journey more reputable than any of the internet characters "of acclaim" that sought to make a name for themselves through obnoxious tabloid-type internet schlock "journalism".


Yeah, that, or maybe DefLeppard has been using help for years and continues to even on this tour.


I may wear skirts but I'm not skirting anything. Come on! I've made my position perfectly clear. As for Def Lep using tapes for years - why hasn't anyone debunked them...?
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Re: MY Opinion

Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:00 am

conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Again, I ask you....
When is lip syncing for over a tour and a half EVER justifiable?

Even if the guys donated all of the touring proceeds to Katrina relief, it still isn't right.


Maybe there is a Milli Vanilli relief fund for the surviving member.


You know, MV is an entirely different situation. The faces of the real voices behind them weren't considered marketable so they brought in the pretty boys to fool everybody and make an easy buck. I think THAT is deception defined.
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