Angry as Hell and Thirsty For Blood

[Monker]

They are playing The Who's "We Won't Get Fooled Again" before the show.

Look, I was the bastard that affected this change, and that is good enough of a committal to me. Being in a band is not easy. Sure there is Booze, 1st class and lots of Trim to be had, but because of one piss poor link, we can't throw Neal and Co under the guillotine. Look, they have moved forward, so have I, and so should you all.

I have something to say later on tonight.

Sure, and while we're at it, we'll more forward from how Perry exited the band too.

It's not going to end - EVER.

Even if Augeri came back, you died of cancer, and all of your 'team' comitted mass suicide in your honor...people will still be wondering what the fuck happened this year, talking about it, blaming this person and that person. It's a wound that won't heal.

[MCC620]

It's a wound that won't heal

You got that right....this may just be the pulverizing of the stone. Alot of die hard fans are disgusted with the way this is all playing out.

[Monker]

It's a wound that won't heal

You got that right....this may just be the pulverizing of the stone. Alot of die hard fans are disgusted with the way this is all playing out.

But, that's not who they are playing to...the thousand or so die-hard fans on the internet. The people who are buying the tickets - ON THIS TOUR - are the 30 or 40something's who want to relive their youth, and the 20something's who would have rather lived their youth in the 80's.

Ironicly, this is the same issue I blasted the band for back during TBF - NOTHING being said...we didn't even know if there WAS a band. Of course, back then, it was all Perry's fault. I wonder how this is going all turn into Perry's fault. Maybe Perry transmitted the infection during the WOF thing? It has to be Perry's fault somehow.

Nowadays, I just don't care...it's almost funny seeing them do this all again, making the same mistakes, allienating MORE fans...and, this is supposed to be the start of their big comeback, LOL.

[Abitaman]

Ok, I'll play.
No, I don't think they should invite Augeri back into the camp for any reason. It would not appear just as a goodwill jesture, IMO. It would further confuse the wildebeasts and enrage those who wanted Augeri thrown out on his ear the first nano second that "tape" rolled. Journey fans want to live in the dream world that Neal & Jon are not the kind of musicians that would go along with taped vocals or anything but LIVE performances for their fans, especially any that stuck with them in spite of Perry being gone.
Augeri showing up, even in the sound booth while they are trying to get past all this, is pushing it. I think alot of people don't want to be reminded that more band members than just Augeri were involved in propping him up. I would wash my hands of the entire band if I thought they were gonna start cozying up to that faker again. There is no excuse or reason for it. It would be a deadly p.r. move, IMO. They need to keep their noses clean, go out there and play hard, play LIVE, and pretend that Augeri never stood on the stage with any of them. Moving forward past the Augeri era is the best p.r. move they could make.

But MOST people don't know about tapegate, and if they did they probably thought it was Steve PERRY who did it. Which I know my thoughts on TG-ERIC

[Vladan]

They are playing The Who's "We Won't Get Fooled Again" before the show.

Look, I was the bastard that affected this change, and that is good enough of a committal to me. Being in a band is not easy. Sure there is Booze, 1st class and lots of Trim to be had, but because of one piss poor link, we can't throw Neal and Co under the guillotine. Look, they have moved forward, so have I, and so should you all.

I have something to say later on tonight.

Even if Augeri came back, you died of cancer, and all of your 'team' comitted mass suicide in your honor....

Ooooooh ooohh ahhh

[Rockindeano]

Tell me something though...just what if tapegate was proposed by your beloved Neal and it comes to light that Steve was just doing what he was told? Will you all call for Neal's head and his removal from Journey? And please fair folk of MR, do not tell me that Neal being behind tapegate is beyond belief. As everyone is so fond of saying "it is his band!" And honestly.....anyone believing he or the other members knew nothing of it is just fucking absurb!

Please bear in mind this has nothing to do with JSS. I think he is an excellent singer. This is strictly about everyone but SA being let off the hook for a scandal that in order to succeed had to include the other members.

I can speak for Neal on this ....He NEVER proposed Lipping......I am not about to say who did, but I can tell you Neal did NOT know the extent of how much was going on. He listens to the PA for his sound on the singer.

[NealIsGod]

It's a wound that won't heal

You got that right....this may just be the pulverizing of the stone. Alot of die hard fans are disgusted with the way this is all playing out.

But, that's not who they are playing to...the thousand or so die-hard fans on the internet. The people who are buying the tickets - ON THIS TOUR - are the 30 or 40something's who want to relive their youth, and the 20something's who would have rather lived their youth in the 80's.

Ironicly, this is the same issue I blasted the band for back during TBF - NOTHING being said...we didn't even know if there WAS a band. Of course, back then, it was all Perry's fault. I wonder how this is going all turn into Perry's fault. Maybe Perry transmitted the infection during the WOF thing? It has to be Perry's fault somehow.

Nowadays, I just don't care...it's almost funny seeing them do this all again, making the same mistakes, allienating MORE fans...and, this is supposed to be the start of their big comeback, LOL.

I think I figured Monker out. He sees the Styx board is dying, and the band itself is not exactly setting the world on fire, so he is trying to defuse the excitement and major buzz that Journey is generating by constantly pissing on them.

[Rockindeano]

But MOST people don't know about tapegate, and if they did they probably thought it was Steve PERRY who did it. Which I know my thoughts on TG-ERIC

What?

Dude, save your money. You actually pay to go to school? I am sorry, but dude, you just don't have it. Just let the dream die and go hire on at KFC for fucks sake.

[MindFreak]

Tell me something though...just what if tapegate was proposed by your beloved Neal and it comes to light that Steve was just doing what he was told? Will you all call for Neal's head and his removal from Journey? And please fair folk of MR, do not tell me that Neal being behind tapegate is beyond belief. As everyone is so fond of saying "it is his band!" And honestly.....anyone believing he or the other members knew nothing of it is just fucking absurb!

Please bear in mind this has nothing to do with JSS. I think he is an excellent singer. This is strictly about everyone but SA being let off the hook for a scandal that in order to succeed had to include the other members.

I can speak for Neal on this ....He NEVER proposed Lipping......I am not about to say who did, but I can tell you Neal did NOT know the extent of how much was going on. He listens to the PA for his sound on the singer.

no way can i believe that NEAL SCHON wasn't aware of what each and every one of HIS EMPLOYEES were doing. No Way in HELL will I ever believe that NEAL wasn't aware of it. NEAL can tell what is coming through the PA AND MONITORS. For God's sake, he's got a magical ear, he can pick it out in a heartbeat! I totally belive the tapes were used, but I totally belive they ALL knew about it! THINK BACK, before the tapes, When Augeri was "cracking them out"......... ever notice Neal's face!!! HE HEARS, TRUST ME. Maybe he doesn't want the blame and he's using it as an excuse. HE KNEW.

[Rockindeano]

You are partly right.

However, isn't it possible Neal didn't have him in his mix? I think it is. There is stuff you have no idea about and it sure as Hell won't be divulged by me.

[MindFreak]

You are partly right. Isn't it possible Neal didn't have him in his mix? I think it is.

In order for Dean to follow the tracked vocal, there has to be a click along with the track.
And if not for having the tracked lead vocal used on every single song, they wouldnt use a click track on every single song, except for the ones where background vocals are used. And that's not every single song they do.

So obviously Dean knows hes playing to a click on every single song.

So Dean's in on it too right?? Also, every song has to be done with the same exact arrangement every single night so it links up with the vocal.

You don't think that Neal and the other guys on stage aren't aware that they MUST play every sinlge song the same EXACT way, every single night???

Was that the case during Perry years, or did he give them more musical freedom to do what they want?

You're conclusion appears to be that Augeri was pulling all the strings on tour. Might as well call him The Wizard of Oz!!!

More food for thought: Every single road crew member would know just like some of us did that the tracks were being used (at least as far back as 2003) Are you saying that they sheltered Neal from this Deep Dark Secret?

[MindFreak]

You are partly right.

However, isn't it possible Neal didn't have him in his mix? I think it is. There is stuff you have no idea about and it sure as Hell won't be divulged by me.

More importantly than what Neal knows and doesn't know, How are you able to edit your post without is showing that it has been edited. Maybe we should call YOU the Wizard of Oz?

[Rockindeano]

You are partly right.

However, isn't it possible Neal didn't have him in his mix? I think it is. There is stuff you have no idea about and it sure as Hell won't be divulged by me.

More importantly than what Neal knows and doesn't know, How are you able to edit your post without is showing that it has been edited. Maybe we should call YOU the Wizard of Oz?

You have to edit it BEFORE someone posts after you. Moonbeam, if you ever get single, you might want to meet up with that other genius, Abitaman.

Your two collective IQ's couldn't surpass the national speed limit.

[MindFreak]

You are partly right.

However, isn't it possible Neal didn't have him in his mix? I think it is. There is stuff you have no idea about and it sure as Hell won't be divulged by me.

That's cool, cause I'm not divulging either

[Moon Beam]

You are partly right.

However, isn't it possible Neal didn't have him in his mix? I think it is. There is stuff you have no idea about and it sure as Hell won't be divulged by me.

More importantly than what Neal knows and doesn't know, How are you able to edit your post without is showing that it has been edited. Maybe we should call YOU the Wizard of Oz?

You have to edit it BEFORE someone posts after you. Moonbeam, if you ever get single, you might want to meet up with that other genius, Abitaman.

Your two collective IQ's couldn't surpass the national speed limit.

What's your fucking problem Tard?
I have no issues or otherwise with Abitaman, unlike you.
6 kids are screaming at play in my backyard
and they are trying my patience.
Trust me Dean'a you don't want to bring me into
your little fuck fest today!

[Rockindeano]

Gerene, ease up on the meds bro...can't you handle a little "fucking with?"

[Moon Beam]

Gerene, ease up on the meds bro...can't you handle a little "fucking with?"

Oh, that was supossed to be a funny?
Well Ba he hee ha haw then.
My fault, I missed the winking motie.
Bsides, you know I love to splash around in
the Melodic mud puddle.

[A Fire Inside]

You don't think that Neal and the other guys on stage aren't aware that they MUST play every sinlge song the same EXACT way, every single night???

...

More food for thought: Every single road crew member would know just like some of us did that the tracks were being used (at least as far back as 2003) Are you saying that they sheltered Neal from this Deep Dark Secret?

Yeah, the way it's being described now is impossible.

[ArnelRox]

More food for thought: Every single road crew member would know just like some of us did that the tracks were being used (at least as far back as 2003) Are you saying that they sheltered Neal from this Deep Dark Secret?

Jesus, Augeri was lipping since 2003? Are u serious? I thought it was just 2005 and 2006?

[Monker]

I think I figured Monker out. He sees the Styx board is dying, and the band itself is not exactly setting the world on fire, so he is trying to defuse the excitement and major buzz that Journey is generating by constantly pissing on them.

How can I diffuse something that doesn't exist? The 'buzz' going on is the one if the fantasies of some of the people on this forum.

[Monker]

I can speak for Neal on this ....He NEVER proposed Lipping......I am not about to say who did, but I can tell you Neal did NOT know the extent of how much was going on. He listens to the PA for his sound on the singer.

LOL...I feel sorry for anybody who REALLY believes that you can 'speak for' Neal Schon.

[Monker]

More food for thought: Every single road crew member would know just like some of us did that the tracks were being used (at least as far back as 2003) Are you saying that they sheltered Neal from this Deep Dark Secret?

Jesus, Augeri was lipping since 2003? Are u serious? I thought it was just 2005 and 2006?

Isn't it obvious by now that this 'story' keeps changing as time goes on? How can ANY of you take ANY of this as 'fact' when everytime the wind blows a different direction, the story changes?

[ArnelRox]

Isn't it obvious by now that this 'story' keeps changing as time goes on? How can ANY of you take ANY of this as 'fact' when everytime the wind blows a different direction, the story changes?

Well some or most of it's true obviously Monker. Even a fool could see that. Otherwise Journey wouldn't have a new lead singer now would they?

[Monker]

Isn't it obvious by now that this 'story' keeps changing as time goes on? How can ANY of you take ANY of this as 'fact' when everytime the wind blows a different direction, the story changes?

Well some or most of it's true obviously Monker. Even a fool could see that. Otherwise Journey wouldn't have a new lead singer now would they?

It has just as much likelyhood of being true as Augeri having a chronic throat infection. The difference is the 'official' word doesn't change every few days.

[ArnelRox]

Isn't it obvious by now that this 'story' keeps changing as time goes on? How can ANY of you take ANY of this as 'fact' when everytime the wind blows a different direction, the story changes?

Well some or most of it's true obviously Monker. Even a fool could see that. Otherwise Journey wouldn't have a new lead singer now would they?

It has just as much likelyhood of being true as Augeri having a chronic throat infection. The difference is the 'official' word doesn't change every few days.

Well we'll all soon hear an announcement methinks & then I guess Augeri's chronic throat infection will have become permanent. Will u believe then, Monker? Or are u just sourgrapes because someone other than u broke this news?

[MindFreak]

I can speak for Neal on this ....He NEVER proposed Lipping......I am not about to say who did, but I can tell you Neal did NOT know the extent of how much was going on. He listens to the PA for his sound on the singer.

LOL...I feel sorry for anybody who REALLY believes that you can 'speak for' Neal Schon.

Neal, and the rest of the band, will only tell you "what they want you to believe". It doesn't necessarily mean it's the truth.
I hear he's been telling that story to lot's of people..... NOT his idea, had NO IDEA it was happening.

[MCC620]

I can speak for Neal on this ....He NEVER proposed Lipping......I am not about to say who did, but I can tell you Neal did NOT know the extent of how much was going on. He listens to the PA for his sound on the singer.

LOL...I feel sorry for anybody who REALLY believes that you can 'speak for' Neal Schon.

Neal, and the rest of the band, will only tell you "what they want you to believe". It doesn't necessarily mean it's the truth.
I hear he's been telling that story to lot's of people..... NOT his idea, had NO IDEA it was happening.

Poor Neal 30 years in this band and he is kept in the dark about things. PUHLEASE!

[wildone]

I can speak for Neal on this ....He NEVER proposed Lipping......I am not about to say who did, but I can tell you Neal did NOT know the extent of how much was going on. He listens to the PA for his sound on the singer.

LOL...I feel sorry for anybody who REALLY believes that you can 'speak for' Neal Schon.

Neal, and the rest of the band, will only tell you "what they want you to believe". It doesn't necessarily mean it's the truth.
I hear he's been telling that story to lot's of people..... NOT his idea, had NO IDEA it was happening.

Poor Neal 30 years in this band and he is kept in the dark about things. PUHLEASE!

Come on Neal is happy the way things have come down and ened up he's lovin this right now!!

[Rockindeano]

Poor Neal 30 years in this band and he is kept in the dark about things. PUHLEASE!

I find it amusing that the weak link, your guy Augeri, was the reason tapes had to be used, and you try to turn things on Neal. Yeah, that's it, blame Neal for Augeri's lack of ability to do his job. Blame Neal for everything.

[MCC620]

Poor Neal 30 years in this band and he is kept in the dark about things. PUHLEASE!

I find it amusing that the weak link, your guy Augeri, was the reason tapes had to be used, and you try to turn things on Neal. Yeah, that's it, blame Neal for Augeri's lack of ability to do his job. Blame Neal for everything.

If it was going down the way you say...then THE ENTIRE BAND KNEW! You are trying to give Neal and the boys a pass now.....a couple of months ago you wanted Neal and Jon burned at the stake too. You can't make comments about this being Neal's band and Neal being Journey and want anyone to believe he knew nothing. I did notice you have changed your comment to be, it wasn't his idea. Did he tell you to say that on his behalf too?