Angry as Hell and Thirsty For Blood

[Monker]

Perry might still be with the band if Neal didn't think Journey was all about him. Damn, I cannot believe I just said that.

I'm done now.

THAT I disagree with. Perry gave them a choice : Continue Journey without me, or Journey doesn't exist at all. Neal AND Jonathan decided that it was no longer worth screwing around with Perry any longer...So, they replaced him and continued on.

[The_Noble_Cause]

and all of your 'team' comitted mass suicide in your honor.

You were one of the first Journey fans on the web to cast doubt on Perry's hip injury.
Does that mean that all those who now disbelieve Perry's injury belong to "your team"?

I'd entrust my kids to Jim McGreevy before you.
You are a good for nothing piece of freeze dried dog shit.

[Monker]

To me, the hardest thing to get over is how the band had been presenting themselves these past few years. All the interviews about how much respect they had for each other for a change and what a family they all were. The integrity that Jon proclaimed and Augeri's white suits with his hands crossed at his chest. The nerve to fake it in Europe before the tour and the nerve to even start the tour with a disabled vocalist.

I somehat agree with this too...They promoted a LOT of stability in the band. Neal even made the "This is the last lineup." comment. That was thrown out the window the past couple months.

Why in hell didn't they just put Augeri on sick leave before they began the deceit? Don't tell me that Augeri had any rights to continue on if his voice was impaired.

Because they were getting too much money touring, and still are. THAT is the main reason I don't think we are going to see a huge push for an album or single - that is NOT where the money is for Journey any longer.

What makes me the most angry is all the crap that they claimed Perry did and they pull this. Yeah, the show must go on, even if they can talk you into sitting on a stool to sing or use tapes if your voice needs a rest.

There is a big difference...Perry showed no interest in comitting to the band at all...Perry forced their hand by not doing ANYTHING to show he wanted to be a member of the band. So, they let him go. Augeri is the exact opposite...he did whatever the band wanted him to do, and he is "replaced" as well.

Now, I'm sure we'll eventualy get some spin from the band to make it look OK...Augeri quit, Augeri's voice won't heal...blah, blah, blah...But, if what DEAN is saying is ALL true, they ALL should have went down in flames, not just Augeri.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal even made the "This is the last lineup." comment. That was thrown out the window the past couple months.

He also said "we may not be done yet!" in response to an interviewer asking about lineup changes and Perry's exit.
I can no longer locate this quote, but I distinctly recall reading it.

[Monker]

Does that mean that all those who now disbelieve Perry's injury belong to "your team"?

I never had a "team"...and I do not want a team. People should follow their own philosophy and beliefs and not rely on someone to preach to them what they should and shouldn't believe. Those are the type of people who end up killing themselves to catch a ride on a comet.

[heardonthestreet]

There is a big difference...Perry showed no interest in comitting to the band at all...Perry forced their hand by not doing ANYTHING to show he wanted to be a member of the band. So, they let him go. Augeri is the exact opposite...he did whatever the band wanted him to do, and he is "replaced" as well. [quote] monker


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Hell monker. They were probably trying to talk Perry into using tapes for the tour.

[Rockindeano]

There is a big difference...Perry showed no interest in comitting to the band at all...Perry forced their hand by not doing ANYTHING to show he wanted to be a member of the band. So, they let him go. Augeri is the exact opposite...he did whatever the band wanted him to do, and he is "replaced" as well.

monker


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Hell monker. They were probably trying to talk Perry into using tapes for the tour.

Funny. He would have needed tapes in the last half of 86.

[MCC620]

There is a big difference...Perry showed no interest in comitting to the band at all...Perry forced their hand by not doing ANYTHING to show he wanted to be a member of the band. So, they let him go. Augeri is the exact opposite...he did whatever the band wanted him to do, and he is "replaced" as well.

monker


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Hell monker. They were probably trying to talk Perry into using tapes for the tour.

Funny. He would have needed tapes in the last half of 86.

Hey Deano, give me back my 5 points for saying that

[Rockindeano]

There is a big difference...Perry showed no interest in comitting to the band at all...Perry forced their hand by not doing ANYTHING to show he wanted to be a member of the band. So, they let him go. Augeri is the exact opposite...he did whatever the band wanted him to do, and he is "replaced" as well.

monker


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Hell monker. They were probably trying to talk Perry into using tapes for the tour.

Funny. He would have needed tapes in the last half of 86.

Hey Deano, give me back my 5 points for saying that

I think Espee was the best ever. I also think Neal Schon is the best ever. I also think Steve Augeri was never in this league, and he compounded his stay by doing the unthinkable.

[heardonthestreet]

THE DEVIL MADE HIM DO IT.

[fred_journeyman]

I also think Steve Augeri was never in this league, and he compounded his stay by doing the unthinkable.

I'm not sure that Augeri was in Perry's league either, but let's look at a few facts:
1) Neal Schon specifically thought of and contacted Augeri to front the band, when it was determined that Perry was a "no go."
2) Augeri had some minor success with Tall Stories.
3) According to the front page of Melodicrock.com, the newest CD - V3 is coming out with another Tall Stories tune on it. Is this an old one that was never released or a new one that was recently recorded? If so, it's obvious that Steve Augeri can still sing.
4) Augeri lipped, that's obviously a fact. However, I doubt seriously that he's the only artist in a rock band that HAS or DOES lip-sync. I really think we'd be surprised to find out WHICH bands/artists DO lip-sync in concert.
5) The fact that Augeri was lipping to his own voice is not as bad as what Milli-Vanilli did, when they lipped to someone else's voices, or that one group that put out the hit that included the words, "Everybody Sweat Now." The gal in the video - while extremely pleasant on the eyes to look at - did not actually SING any of that song. It was done by someone else entirely, who apparently was NOT as pleasant to look at (according to her lawsuit against the band), but the band used her vocals.

What the band perpetrated on unwitting fans and audience members was not good, to say the least. However, I'm really beginning to think that some of these bands that have been around for years and years and years are doing the same thing, just at a higher level and they're not getting caught.

I'm really wondering how many concerts are truly live anymore? Maybe with the exception of U2, the Classic Rock Allstars and a few other bands, maybe quite a bit of it is "Memorex."

[fred_journeyman]

PS - I also have to wonder if, when Augeri was brought onboard, whether or not he was given the impression or told outright that the band was going to be doing SOME classic material, but moving on with new stuff as well?

If he was told that, he probably figured he could cover the classics and then he'd be able to do tunes that were fit for his range.

The reality that exists is that Journey is a business and often business decisions are difficult to make. Maybe Augeri didn't want to give up when he started to realize that his voice could not take the consistent beating it took, night after night, while trying to sing tunes that Perry made famous...in Perry's RANGE. Maybe the band went along with it because they felt that it would be the lesser of two evils, by trying to get another lead singer in there. Who knows?

The truth is that Augeri CAN sing. He just can't sing in the Perry range night after night. He's gone and Jeff's in. We'll see what happens.

[bionic]

I also think Steve Augeri was never in this league, and he compounded his stay by doing the unthinkable.

I'm not sure that Augeri was in Perry's league either, but let's look at a few facts:
1) Neal Schon specifically thought of and contacted Augeri to front the band, when it was determined that Perry was a "no go."
2) Augeri had some minor success with Tall Stories.
3) According to the front page of Melodicrock.com, the newest CD - V3 is coming out with another Tall Stories tune on it. Is this an old one that was never released or a new one that was recently recorded? If so, it's obvious that Steve Augeri can still sing.
4) Augeri lipped, that's obviously a fact. However, I doubt seriously that he's the only artist in a rock band that HAS or DOES lip-sync. I really think we'd be surprised to find out WHICH bands/artists DO lip-sync in concert.
5) The fact that Augeri was lipping to his own voice is not as bad as what Milli-Vanilli did, when they lipped to someone else's voices, or that one group that put out the hit that included the words, "Everybody Sweat Now." The gal in the video - while extremely pleasant on the eyes to look at - did not actually SING any of that song. It was done by someone else entirely, who apparently was NOT as pleasant to look at (according to her lawsuit against the band), but the band used her vocals.

What the band perpetrated on unwitting fans and audience members was not good, to say the least. However, I'm really beginning to think that some of these bands that have been around for years and years and years are doing the same thing, just at a higher level and they're not getting caught.

I'm really wondering how many concerts are truly live anymore? Maybe with the exception of U2, the Classic Rock Allstars and a few other bands, maybe quite a bit of it is "Memorex."

This is a worrying thought,age seems to be the problem a few that do..wasp...roger waters....house of lords!

[The_Noble_Cause]

3) According to the front page of Melodicrock.com, the newest CD - V3 is coming out with another Tall Stories tune on it. Is this an old one that was never released or a new one that was recently recorded? If so, it's obvious that Steve Augeri can still sing.

I am pretty sure it's another unreleased old TS tune, but even if it wasn't, what would that prove exactly?
Steve Augeri has never sounded better than on "Generations" and his voice was kaput by the first night of the tour.

I'm really beginning to think that some of these bands that have been around for years and years and years are doing the same thing, just at a higher level and they're not getting caught.

The only person currently doing it at a higher level is Britney Spears and similar bubble headed blonde acts without a single iota of natural born talent.
The only song Steve Augeri sang 100% in it's entiriety during the 30th anniversary tour was LTS.

[Rockindeano]

I'm really wondering how many concerts are truly live anymore? Maybe with the exception of U2, the Classic Rock Allstars and a few other bands, maybe quite a bit of it is "Memorex."

I can tell you Journey is 100% live now.

[fred_journeyman]

I am pretty sure it's another unreleased old TS tune, but even if it wasn't, what would that prove exactly?

It would prove he could sing.

Steve Augeri has never sounded better than on "Generations" and his voice was kaput by the first night of the tour.

Due undoubtedly to the fact that he has a rather "thin" voice to begin with. His voice has no lasting power and I remember mentioning that and actually discussing with some posters way back when on BT.

He can do what he needs to do in the studio, but for live concerts, it just doesn't hold up.

The only person currently doing it at a higher level is Britney Spears and similar bubble headed blonde acts without a single iota of natural born talent.

Madonna lips. Ashley lips. Jessica might not lip, but her voice totally gave out recently.

The only song Steve Augeri sang 100% in it's entiriety during the 30th anniversary tour was LTS.

Just proves his voice can't handle the stress of touring. Doesn't prove he can't sing.

[Rock Fn]

I am pretty sure it's another unreleased old TS tune, but even if it wasn't, what would that prove exactly?

It would prove he could sing.

Steve Augeri has never sounded better than on "Generations" and his voice was kaput by the first night of the tour.

Due undoubtedly to the fact that he has a rather "thin" voice to begin with. His voice has no lasting power and I remember mentioning that and actually discussing with some posters way back when on BT.

He can do what he needs to do in the studio, but for live concerts, it just doesn't hold up.

The only person currently doing it at a higher level is Britney Spears and similar bubble headed blonde acts without a single iota of natural born talent.

Madonna lips. Ashley lips. Jessica might not lip, but her voice totally gave out recently.

The only song Steve Augeri sang 100% in it's entiriety during the 30th anniversary tour was LTS.

Just proves his voice can't handle the stress of touring. Doesn't prove he can't sing.

Good points Fred.

Great bands play live in the studio. That's why bands like Journey and Queen can take it from the studio and go onstage with very little changing.

[A Fire Inside]

I find it amusing that the weak link, your guy Augeri, was the reason tapes had to be used, and you try to turn things on Neal. Yeah, that's it, blame Neal for Augeri's lack of ability to do his job. Blame Neal for everything.

Uh, well, HE hired and then failed to fire Augeri.

[A Fire Inside]

Next year, we will be able to read more from Herbie.

Excellent, I love HH interviews.

[Rockindeano]

I find it amusing that the weak link, your guy Augeri, was the reason tapes had to be used, and you try to turn things on Neal. Yeah, that's it, blame Neal for Augeri's lack of ability to do his job. Blame Neal for everything.

Uh, well, HE hired and then failed to fire Augeri.

He (Neal), shouldn't have to fire Augeri. If Augeri had ANY class or self respect, or respect to Neal, Friga or even Perry, he would have stepped down. Instead, he tried to Gravy Train his way through another tour.

[Rockindeano]

Next year, we will be able to read more from Herbie.

Excellent, I love HH interviews.

Not exactly an interview, but he will have some juicy shit to spew.

[A Fire Inside]

He (Neal), shouldn't have to fire Augeri. If Augeri had ANY class or self respect, or respect to Neal, Friga or even Perry, he would have stepped down. Instead, he tried to Gravy Train his way through another tour.

Sure, Augeri could/should have stepped down but when he REFUSED... it was the rest of the band's responsibility to say "You know, we can't have these tapes." If any of THEM were "classy or self-respecting" they would have taken a band vote on tapes and unanimously voted miming out. Don't try to make it like Augeri held a gun to their heads 24/7 on this.

[Matthew]

He (Neal), shouldn't have to fire Augeri. If Augeri had ANY class or self respect, or respect to Neal, Friga or even Perry, he would have stepped down. Instead, he tried to Gravy Train his way through another tour.

Sure, Augeri could/should have stepped down but when he REFUSED... it was the rest of the band's responsibility to say "You know, we can't have these tapes." If any of THEM were "classy or self-respecting" they would have taken a band vote on tapes and unanimously voted miming out. Don't try to make it like Augeri held a gun to their heads 24/7 on this.

I totally agree. I just can't get my head around this idea that Schon and Cain were 'victims' of Augeri.

[Monker]

I find it amusing that the weak link, your guy Augeri, was the reason tapes had to be used, and you try to turn things on Neal. Yeah, that's it, blame Neal for Augeri's lack of ability to do his job. Blame Neal for everything.

Uh, well, HE hired and then failed to fire Augeri.

He (Neal), shouldn't have to fire Augeri. If Augeri had ANY class or self respect, or respect to Neal, Friga or even Perry, he would have stepped down. Instead, he tried to Gravy Train his way through another tour.

And, if everything you say is true: Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Ross Valory, and Deen Castranovo should not have stepped on stage with Steve Augeri - out of respect for the fans.

[Rockindeano]

And, if everything you say is true: Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Ross Valory, and Deen Castranovo should not have stepped on stage with Steve Augeri - out of respect for the fans.

Stop with the "if everything I say is true" crap.

Why should Neal, Friga, RV and Deen not play? They all do their jobs well.

[A Fire Inside]

Uh, because it would be wrong to play with such a shady operation regardless of their talent?

It was really up to them to stop the charade but they didn't. It was 4 against 1 and they didn't. It's all about the money...

[The_Noble_Cause]

It would prove he could sing.

Or he has mastered the use of Pro-Tools!
Look, Augeri prolly can still deliver in the non-demanding environment of the studio.
There, he prolly has his trusty steroid inhaler by his side, a nice warm pitcher of lemon and honey, and can go at his own pace.
But touring is all that really matters for this band at their late stage in the game (that's not a bash - just a reality).

Madonna lips. Ashley lips. Jessica might not lip, but her voice totally gave out recently.

Like I said, vapid bubble-headed blondes.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And, if everything you say is true: Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Ross Valory, and Deen Castranovo should not have stepped on stage with Steve Augeri - out of respect for the fans.

Monker is 100% right.
With that said, even knowing all too well what they did, i don't have enough self-control or self-respect to swear off being a Journey fan.
Do you?

[Monker]

Why should Neal, Friga, RV and Deen not play? They all do their jobs well.

Because when they did they are figuratively, and literaly, standing behind a decision YOU don't like. You are a hypocrit for hating Augeri and not critiquing the band just as severly.

[Monker]

It was 4 against 1 and they didn't. It's all about the money...

EXACTLY...they wouldn't give him a break and lose the current tour, the 30th anniversary tour, and it now sounds like we are to believe - every tour since 1993.