STATE OF THE JOURNEY BOARD ADDRESS

[Rockindeano]

Well, 1986 was hardly a disastrous year was it? A classic album...2.5 million albums sold...sell-out headlining tour....four hit singles...

Uh, 1986 was the WORST year. The breakup, the firings of Smith and Ross, and BS crap album a drum machine gave us. Yeah, 86 was fucking stellar

[Matthew]

Well, 1986 was hardly a disastrous year was it? A classic album...2.5 million albums sold...sell-out headlining tour....four hit singles...

Uh, 1986 was the WORST year. The breakup, the firings of Smith and Ross, and BS crap album a drum machine gave us. Yeah, 86 was fucking stellar

Well, it's fucking stellar next to a support slot with Def Leppard, no record deal and a lip-sync scandal.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

[Matthew]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

TNC - how highly do you rank Perry's vocal performance on ROR compared to the other albums he fronted?

[Enigma869]

As usual, you continue to prove with each of your postings what a jackass you are! Take your idiotic "God" comments and shove them up your ass! Unlike the zero respect you have for Perry, there are many of us Perry fans who have NEVER had any problems with Augeri!

Yes, SOME Perry fans had respect for Augeri. And, some absolutely HATED him. You HAVE to admit that much.

And, some post about Perry as if he could do no wrong and was the salvation of Journey, etc...very much like they were talking about god.

The reality is that you wouldn't be here talking about Journey if Perry was never a member of Journey, because you (and everyone else) would have never heard of them!

And, NOBODY knows if that would be true, or not. It's an alternate timeline that we can not predict with any amount of accuracy.

Your Perry bashing is nauseating!

Saying that Perry is not a god is Perry bashing. Seems like somebody doesn't want to face reality...YOU.

By the way...you should head over to Balk Talk and hop aboard the Augeri "wiggle" thread!

Or, maybe you should go back to the booze and sex thread here. Is this forum REALLY so much different any longer?

I absolutely admit that some Journey fans did not like Augeri or his style. I don't happen to be one of them. So what if some fans didn't like Augeri. That's their right! In terms of your assertion that "nobody knows" whether or not Journey would have become what they became without Perry is as moronic of a statement for anyone to make! I hear some of the dopes over at BT make the same argument. Correct me if I'm wrong here, Monker (because you clearly are the guy who knows everything), but wasn't Journey together as a band some 5 years before Perry joined the band???? I'm pretty sure that's long enough to prove that they were toiling away in less than mediocrity before Perry's voice was added to the mix! If you still doubt this...Ask yourself two more questions. Did Journey have any commercial success before Perry? The answer is an emphatic NO!!!!! In the event you're still not sure...Ask yourself this question. Has Journey had any commercial success since Perry departed Journey? That answer is also an emphatic NO!!!!! I would say that's as compelling evidence as anyone could ask to see! That's the only "reality" I need to face!

John from Boston

[A Fire Inside]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Monker (because you clearly are the guy who knows everything), but wasn't Journey together as a band some 5 years before Perry joined the band???? I'm pretty sure that's long enough to prove that they were toiling away in less than mediocrity before Perry's voice was added to the mix! If you still doubt this...Ask yourself two more questions. Did Journey have any commercial success before Perry? The answer is an emphatic NO!!!!! In the event you're still not sure...Ask yourself this question. Has Journey had any commercial success since Perry departed Journey? That answer is also an emphatic NO!!!!! I would say that's as compelling evidence as anyone could ask to see! That's the only "reality" I need to face!

IMO it was more of a combo of Perry and Cain that brought them success and not just Perry on his own. They only got to #16 or so (with LTS) before Jonathan - then they hit #1 with Escape. If it were true that Perry gets all the credit, his solo work would have been more popular than it was.

[ArnelRox]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Monker (because you clearly are the guy who knows everything), but wasn't Journey together as a band some 5 years before Perry joined the band???? I'm pretty sure that's long enough to prove that they were toiling away in less than mediocrity before Perry's voice was added to the mix! If you still doubt this...Ask yourself two more questions. Did Journey have any commercial success before Perry? The answer is an emphatic NO!!!!! In the event you're still not sure...Ask yourself this question. Has Journey had any commercial success since Perry departed Journey? That answer is also an emphatic NO!!!!! I would say that's as compelling evidence as anyone could ask to see! That's the only "reality" I need to face!

IMO it was more of a combo of Perry and Cain that brought them success and not just Perry on his own. They only got to #16 or so (with LTS) before Jonathan - then they hit #1 with Escape. If it were true that Perry gets all the credit, his solo work would have been more popular than it was.

Actually u forget one other key thing: the time. The combo of Perry/Cain/Schon writing brought about the hits that were perfect for that time & that era of music & Perry's voice singing them was the type of voice that was hot at the time (he had a lot more than some others of that era, but it was the type of voice that was "in" nonetheless).

[Enigma869]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Monker (because you clearly are the guy who knows everything), but wasn't Journey together as a band some 5 years before Perry joined the band???? I'm pretty sure that's long enough to prove that they were toiling away in less than mediocrity before Perry's voice was added to the mix! If you still doubt this...Ask yourself two more questions. Did Journey have any commercial success before Perry? The answer is an emphatic NO!!!!! In the event you're still not sure...Ask yourself this question. Has Journey had any commercial success since Perry departed Journey? That answer is also an emphatic NO!!!!! I would say that's as compelling evidence as anyone could ask to see! That's the only "reality" I need to face!

IMO it was more of a combo of Perry and Cain that brought them success and not just Perry on his own. They only got to #16 or so (with LTS) before Jonathan - then they hit #1 with Escape. If it were true that Perry gets all the credit, his solo work would have been more popular than it was.

You'll never get me to disagree with you on Cain. Cain is a BRILLIANT songwriter and musician(even thought I think Open Arms SUCKS!), and was enormously instrumental in the success of Journey. I honestly think Perry, Cain, and Schon could have done it all on their own. Those three were a force to be reckoned with. Having said that, Journey had some commercial success before Cain got there, as soon as Perry was brought into the band. Also, while I'll acquiesce to you that Perry was nowhere near as successful with his solo material, as he was with Journey material...He certainly had some significant commercial success (three top 40 singles from a debut album is successful by the music industry's definition!) with Street Talk, and it's a hell of a lot more than any other member of Journey had without the Journey name behind it! I will never say Perry was the only reason for the success of Journey, but he was a HUGE part of it, and anyone who doesn't believe that simply isn't being honest!

John from Boston

[L~L~L]

Dean is this post supposed to have an imaginary line drawn
Either support Journey now or make way for new fans
So we old fans don't count any longer?

You know we do line the pockets of Jon, Neal, Ross, Smith, Rolie & Perry when we purchase the remasters/reissues, so I think we can still comment on the future of this band or are we not allowed to do so? It might come in handy to keep the "Perry bitches" like myself around to keep the dough rolling in. Don't you think

P.S.
If there is indeed a duet coming our way please do not let it be with any of these tired old hags Beyonce, Aguilera, Mariah Carey nor Twain!

[Granny]

To Lovelylourdes,
For some reason I was denied access to reply to your post with a quote

But AMEN, we are the bitches that buy Cds, tix and scream for "our guys", even us old ones.

[Rockindeano]

Dean is this post supposed to have an imaginary line drawn
Either support Journey now or make way for new fans
So we old fans don't count any longer?

You know we do line the pockets of Jon, Neal, Ross, Smith, Rolie & Perry when we purchase the remasters/reissues, so I think we can still comment on the future of this band or are we not allowed to do so? It might come in handy to keep the "Perry bitches" like myself around to keep the dough rolling in. Don't you think

P.S.
If there is indeed a duet coming our way please do not let it be with any of these tired old hags Beyonce, Aguilera, Mariah Carey nor Twain!

First off, no line is being drawn; My reference to "Perry Bitches" was directed at the few lame ones here. Hell, I am a Perry fan for his voice, even though he is a prick, but yeah, my reference was to the three hags on here who won't accept anything if it isn't Perry.

As for the duet, I agree that Beyonce, Aguilera, and Mariah Carey are hags...and No, they are not in the picture. As for calling my girl Shania Twain a "hag" you miss are lucky I don't live next to you, or I would put you over my lap! She too, isn't in the picture.

[Vladan]

(even though I think Open Arms SUCKS!), and was enormously instrumental in the success of Journey.
John from Boston

I use to dislike this little tune aswell. But not after I tried to sing it, what a great song it is now... for me, I think it's a good song, but I never did like it (for years) I think only the last year I grew to like it. Strange how things work out.

[Matthew]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, Monker (because you clearly are the guy who knows everything), but wasn't Journey together as a band some 5 years before Perry joined the band???? I'm pretty sure that's long enough to prove that they were toiling away in less than mediocrity before Perry's voice was added to the mix! If you still doubt this...Ask yourself two more questions. Did Journey have any commercial success before Perry? The answer is an emphatic NO!!!!! In the event you're still not sure...Ask yourself this question. Has Journey had any commercial success since Perry departed Journey? That answer is also an emphatic NO!!!!! I would say that's as compelling evidence as anyone could ask to see! That's the only "reality" I need to face!

IMO it was more of a combo of Perry and Cain that brought them success and not just Perry on his own. They only got to #16 or so (with LTS) before Jonathan - then they hit #1 with Escape. If it were true that Perry gets all the credit, his solo work would have been more popular than it was.

Actually u forget one other key thing: the time. The combo of Perry/Cain/Schon writing brought about the hits that were perfect for that time & that era of music & Perry's voice singing them was the type of voice that was hot at the time (he had a lot more than some others of that era, but it was the type of voice that was "in" nonetheless).

True - but Perry's voice wasn't remotely "in" or "hot" during the mid-1990s...and Journey still had a hit with Perry fronting the band.

Musical trends...fashion..timing...all of these factors undoubtedly played a part in Journey's triumphs in the 1980s...but Perry's voice brought success to the band in three different decades.

And the huge ongoing sales of the back catalogue shows that his voice is still attracting a big audience even to this day.

The fact is...Perry has a timeless voice...he was more special than any of his contemporaries such as Jimi Jamison who is very much 'an 80s singer'. It's like Sam Cooke...his voice was perfect for his era but it transcended it too...and the majority of his album sales came after the times had changed. Which is the same as the Perry era...most of the 75 million albums were bought after 1990.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that Perry was single-handedly responsible Journey's success. But equally I think the argument that Perry brought success to Journey because "his type of voice" was "hot" in the 80s doesn't do justice to his talent.

The argument sounds to me like a typical Augeri Fan tactic which has been used so often over the years: to minimize Perry's contribution to the band and to downplay how gifted he was in order to elevate the status of the successor.

[Matthew]

IMO it was more of a combo of Perry and Cain that brought them success and not just Perry on his own. They only got to #16 or so (with LTS) before Jonathan - then they hit #1 with Escape. If it were true that Perry gets all the credit, his solo work would have been more popular than it was.

AFI - Perry's "Street Talk" album was a huge hit. So much so that Schon and Cain were all too happy to capitalize on it in 1985. The style and approach of "ROR" was hugely influenced by the success of "Street Talk".

I know this is still a source of resentment for many Journey fans - but like it not - you can't say that Perry's solo work wasn't especially popular.

Second...even the most hardened Perry fanatics will acknowledge the amazing chemistry between Perry and Cain. And why would they? Perryheads are Journey fans too.

But as John pointed out...the simple reality is that Journey with Perry was successful...and Journey without Perry was not. No matter how many qualifications and what-ifs and shifts of emphasis you come up with this cannot be denied.

[ArnelRox]

Awake again & I saw this so...

True - but Perry's voice wasn't remotely "in" or "hot" during the mid-1990s...and Journey still had a hit with Perry fronting the band.

Yes, but in all honesty Matthew, do u think they could have had that hit in the mid-90s if they hadn't been a famous group in the 80s? If Perry sang it solo would it have been such a hit? I also think WYLAW is a timeless song. WITS or even OA or Faithfully might not have had such an impact. While Perry's voice wasn't necessarily the hottest thing in the mid-90s, it was not quite as "out of style" as it could be seen by today's standards. & after all, Perry's solo album in 94 didn't score a hit. Obviously, it took just a bit more at that time, talented as he is.

Musical trends...fashion..timing...all of these factors undoubtedly played a part in Journey's triumphs in the 1980s...but Perry's voice brought success to the band in three different decades.

I certainly wasn't disputing that. I was just adding to the fact that Journey's success wasn't entirely based on Perry. It had to do with songwriting, Perry's voice, & it being the right time.

The argument sounds to me like a typical Augeri Fan tactic which has been used so often over the years: to minimize Perry's contribution to the band and to downplay how gifted he was in order to elevate the status of the successor.

Now that's a joke. I've never been anything even remotely close to an Augeri fan. I've made statements about the fact that when I met him he was a nice guy & his concerts were okay & better than no Journey at all. I've also gotten a bit mad when people tear down the fact that he worked at the Gap because of common decency. & probably my own sensitivities. I work in the bar/restaurant biz & ppl have put me down for that. I've also said I was rather surprised when a friend gave me his Tall Stories CD because it was quite good (well 2 songs on it are). I never would have gone to see him w/Journey if I hadn't heard that first. But I've been a major Perry fan since the 1st day I ever heard him. I've never tried to minimize his contribution to Journey & I don't believe Journey would ever have gone anywhere if it wasn't for Perry. All that being said, Perry had quit music when the opportunity to front Journey came along. So if it wasn't for Journey, we may never have heard Perry, as sad as that thought is.

It takes more than an amazing singer, a great song, or any other band member for a band to have such huge success. If it was just a singer, Perry would have made it w/Alien Project & JSS would be a household name today.

I'm a realist. Perry's contribution was gigantic. But more than just Perry made Journey a success.

[Matthew]

Yes, but in all honesty Matthew, do u think they could have had that hit in the mid-90s if they hadn't been a famous group in the 80s? If Perry sang it solo would it have been such a hit?

No - but equally I don't think Jimi Jamison was capable of helping Survivor to get a hit in the 1990s...he was very much of his time...whereas Perry transcended it.

While Perry's voice wasn't necessarily the hottest thing in the mid-90s, it was not quite as "out of style" as it could be seen by today's standards. & after all, Perry's solo album in 94 didn't score a hit. Obviously, it took just a bit more at that time, talented as he is.

Oh...there's no doubt that Perry suffered from the backlash against melodic rock in the 1990s. There was such a hostile environment at that time - which is why Journey's success in 1996 was so extraordinary. And the fact that Journey's recording career went down the drain after Perry left does show that Perry could bring success to the band no matter how grim the musical landscape was.

I was just adding to the fact that Journey's success wasn't entirely based on Perry. It had to do with songwriting, Perry's voice, & it being the right time.

Yes - all three of these reasons explain Journey's success in the 1980s. Plus Neal's solos of course....

Now that's a joke. I've never been anything even remotely close to an Augeri fan.

Pleas accept my deepest apologies for slandering your good name.

I've made statements about the fact that when I met him he was a nice guy & his concerts were okay & better than no Journey at all. I've also gotten a bit mad when people tear down the fact that he worked at the Gap because of common decency. & probably my own sensitivities. I work in the bar/restaurant biz & ppl have put me down for that. I've also said I was rather surprised when a friend gave me his Tall Stories CD because it was quite good (well 2 songs on it are). I never would have gone to see him w/Journey if I hadn't heard that first.

This sounds entirely reasonable to me - and your appreciation of Augeri is pitched at exactly the appropriate level, I reckon.

But I've been a major Perry fan since the 1st day I ever heard him. I've never tried to minimize his contribution to Journey & I don't believe Journey would ever have gone anywhere if it wasn't for Perry. All that being said, Perry had quit music when the opportunity to front Journey came along. So if it wasn't for Journey, we may never have heard Perry, as sad as that thought is.

It takes more than an amazing singer, a great song, or any other band member for a band to have such huge success. If it was just a singer, Perry would have made it w/Alien Project & JSS would be a household name today.

Again - I agree - and I'm sorry for putting my resentments toward Augeriheads unfairly on to you.

Just noticed that you have "Steve Perry is the next best thing to God" written under your posts. I was clearly a bit slow on the uptake...

[Enigma869]

Awake again & I saw this so...

True - but Perry's voice wasn't remotely "in" or "hot" during the mid-1990s...and Journey still had a hit with Perry fronting the band.

Yes, but in all honesty Matthew, do u think they could have had that hit in the mid-90s if they hadn't been a famous group in the 80s? If Perry sang it solo would it have been such a hit? I also think WYLAW is a timeless song. WITS or even OA or Faithfully might not have had such an impact. While Perry's voice wasn't necessarily the hottest thing in the mid-90s, it was not quite as "out of style" as it could be seen by today's standards. & after all, Perry's solo album in 94 didn't score a hit. Obviously, it took just a bit more at that time, talented as he is.

Musical trends...fashion..timing...all of these factors undoubtedly played a part in Journey's triumphs in the 1980s...but Perry's voice brought success to the band in three different decades.

I certainly wasn't disputing that. I was just adding to the fact that Journey's success wasn't entirely based on Perry. It had to do with songwriting, Perry's voice, & it being the right time.

The argument sounds to me like a typical Augeri Fan tactic which has been used so often over the years: to minimize Perry's contribution to the band and to downplay how gifted he was in order to elevate the status of the successor.

Now that's a joke. I've never been anything even remotely close to an Augeri fan. I've made statements about the fact that when I met him he was a nice guy & his concerts were okay & better than no Journey at all. I've also gotten a bit mad when people tear down the fact that he worked at the Gap because of common decency. & probably my own sensitivities. I work in the bar/restaurant biz & ppl have put me down for that. I've also said I was rather surprised when a friend gave me his Tall Stories CD because it was quite good (well 2 songs on it are). I never would have gone to see him w/Journey if I hadn't heard that first. But I've been a major Perry fan since the 1st day I ever heard him. I've never tried to minimize his contribution to Journey & I don't believe Journey would ever have gone anywhere if it wasn't for Perry. All that being said, Perry had quit music when the opportunity to front Journey came along. So if it wasn't for Journey, we may never have heard Perry, as sad as that thought is.

It takes more than an amazing singer, a great song, or any other band member for a band to have such huge success. If it was just a singer, Perry would have made it w/Alien Project & JSS would be a household name today.

I'm a realist. Perry's contribution was gigantic. But more than just Perry made Journey a success.

VERY well thought out post. For what it's worth, I honestly don't think the most ardent Perry supporter ( I count myself among them) thinks Journey was successful ONLY because of Steve Perry. There was an undeniable chemistry between Perry, Neal, and Jonathan. Jonathan and Perry were put on this earth to write songs together! I think what it really comes down to (and always will) is that most people identify with the voice they're listening to, not the musical instruments that they're listening to. I mean...how many people know the song "Lady", by Kenny Rogers was written by Lionel Richie? Most people don't focus on who wrote a song and most don't really give a rat's ass! They simply focus on the voice they're listening to belt out the notes.

I think the major argument Perry fans have a problem with are the fans that say "Journey could have been successful without Perry". Sure they could have...and I could have been the first man on the moon if I was born 30 years sooner than I was!!!! It's an idiotic argument, by ANY standards! The reality is that Journey was around (not that anyone noticed) long before Perry was forced into the band by Herbie Herbert, and they had ZERO success in all those years without Perry! Like I've said numerous times, this is not an opinion...It's a fact. If you don't believe it...go check your facts! The record is all right there for anyone who wants to look it up.

John from Boston

[Matthew]

I think the major argument Perry fans have a problem with are the fans that say "Journey could have been successful without Perry". Sure they could have...and I could have been the first man on the moon if I was born 30 years sooner than I was!!!! It's an idiotic argument, by ANY standards!

John from Boston

I'll go along with that.

[Enigma869]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

I would have been thrilled if I found ANYTHING on Generations to like, as I did on Raised on Radio! In my opinion, NOTHING on Generations comes even close to the level of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever", or "I'll Be Alright Without You". The biggest mistake Journey made with Generations was thinking that everyone in the band had the ability to sing! That was a HUGE mistake! Journey is not The Eagles and shouldn't try to be! Having everyone in your band sing lead only works if everyone in the band actually has the ability to sing! The Eagles are the only band in musical history who could ever pull this off, and that's only because they all could actually sing!


John from Boston

[Matthew]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

I would have been thrilled if I found ANYTHING on Generations to like, as I did on Raised on Radio! In my opinion, NOTHING on Generations comes even close to the level of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever", or "I'll Be Alright Without You". The biggest mistake Journey made with Generations was thinking that everyone in the band had the ability to sing! That was a HUGE mistake! Journey is not The Eagles and shouldn't try to be! Having everyone in your band sing lead only works if everyone in the band actually has the ability to sing! The Eagles are the only band in musical history who could ever pull this off, and that's only because they all could actually sing!


John from Boston

Well, it could be argued that both the drummers of the Eagles and Journey can sing - although I wouldn't put Deen in the same league as Don Henley - but yes...it was a bizarre decision to allow Jon, Neal and Ross near a microphone. Plus it hardly needs saying that the Augeri vocals are lightweight compared to the majesty of Perry on ROR.

[Enigma869]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

I would have been thrilled if I found ANYTHING on Generations to like, as I did on Raised on Radio! In my opinion, NOTHING on Generations comes even close to the level of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever", or "I'll Be Alright Without You". The biggest mistake Journey made with Generations was thinking that everyone in the band had the ability to sing! That was a HUGE mistake! Journey is not The Eagles and shouldn't try to be! Having everyone in your band sing lead only works if everyone in the band actually has the ability to sing! The Eagles are the only band in musical history who could ever pull this off, and that's only because they all could actually sing!


John from Boston

Well, it could be argued that both the drummers of the Eagles and Journey can sing - although I wouldn't put Deen in the same league as Don Henley - but yes...it was a bizarre decision to allow Jon, Neal and Ross near a microphone. Plus it hardly needs saying that the Augeri vocals are lightweight compared to the majesty of Perry on ROR.

No argument from me, there. I've heard some fans "gushing" over how great Deen's vocals are and how much he sounds like Perry. I think that's getting a bit carried away. But, I did see a boot of Deen singing "Mother Father" and it KICKED ASS!!!! The man clearly has some talent and I have no problem with Deen singing some songs. I do agree that he isn't in the same league as Henley! Henley is a rock legend, and it's not fair to either of them to compare the two! I think if Journey had ANY sense at all...they would NEVER, EVER allow Neal, Jonathan, or Ross near a microphone again! I'm not sure my ears can take that kind of torture, again!

John from Boston

[Red13JoePa]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

I would have been thrilled if I found ANYTHING on Generations to like, as I did on Raised on Radio! In my opinion, NOTHING on Generations comes even close to the level of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever", or "I'll Be Alright Without You". The biggest mistake Journey made with Generations was thinking that everyone in the band had the ability to sing! That was a HUGE mistake! Journey is not The Eagles and shouldn't try to be! Having everyone in your band sing lead only works if everyone in the band actually has the ability to sing! The Eagles are the only band in musical history who could ever pull this off, and that's only because they all could actually sing!


John from Boston

Your predisposition to dislike any Augeri-fronted Journey effort's established, though.

[Enigma869]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

I would have been thrilled if I found ANYTHING on Generations to like, as I did on Raised on Radio! In my opinion, NOTHING on Generations comes even close to the level of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever", or "I'll Be Alright Without You". The biggest mistake Journey made with Generations was thinking that everyone in the band had the ability to sing! That was a HUGE mistake! Journey is not The Eagles and shouldn't try to be! Having everyone in your band sing lead only works if everyone in the band actually has the ability to sing! The Eagles are the only band in musical history who could ever pull this off, and that's only because they all could actually sing!


John from Boston

Your predisposition to dislike any Augeri-fronted Journey effort's established, though.

Glad to see you know me so well!!!! Get your facts straight! I have ALWAYS thought Arrival was superb! In fact, I think Arrival is as good as anything Journey has ever done. I still listen to Arrival often and am still stunned that none of these songs made their way onto the radio! I thought Red13 shouldn't have been made and Generations was flat out bad! My opinion on Generations had nothing to do with Augeri, at all! In fact, the only tracks on the damn CD I could stomach were sung by Augeri! Please don't tell me how I hate anything with Augeri at the helm, because it's simply not true. I'm not looking to burn Augeri at the stake like some others are around here. I'm obviously on record as being a huge Perry fan, but, that doesn't mean I thought Augeri sucked! Augeri wasn't Perry, but I always thought he did the Journey classics "justice" , when actually singing them! Now...let's sum up my "platform", in the event you want to cast your vote for me in next month's election:

1. Perry is Journey, period, end of story!
2. Augeri had a good singing voice when he was actually singing.
3. Arrival was superb and should have received MUCH heavier promotion than it received
4. Augeri wasn't capable of Perry's range, but ruined his voice trying like hell
5. Red13 SUCKED!
6. Generations SUCKED!
7. I've never disliked Augeri and honestly don't have a bad word to say about the guy
8. I DESPISE Augeri fans...I think they're all a bunch of whine bags and carry on like 12 year old boys in heat!
9. I think Back Talk should be taken over by moderators who actually allow open dialogue
10. Refer back to number 1 !!!!

John from Boston

[Liam]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

I would have been thrilled if I found ANYTHING on Generations to like, as I did on Raised on Radio! In my opinion, NOTHING on Generations comes even close to the level of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever", or "I'll Be Alright Without You". The biggest mistake Journey made with Generations was thinking that everyone in the band had the ability to sing! That was a HUGE mistake! Journey is not The Eagles and shouldn't try to be! Having everyone in your band sing lead only works if everyone in the band actually has the ability to sing! The Eagles are the only band in musical history who could ever pull this off, and that's only because they all could actually sing!


John from Boston

Your predisposition to dislike any Augeri-fronted Journey effort's established, though.

Glad to see you know me so well!!!! Get your facts straight! I have ALWAYS thought Arrival was superb! In fact, I think Arrival is as good as anything Journey has ever done. I still listen to Arrival often and am still stunned that none of these songs made their way onto the radio! I thought Red13 shouldn't have been made and Generations was flat out bad! My opinion on Generations had nothing to do with Augeri, at all! In fact, the only tracks on the damn CD I could stomach were sung by Augeri! Please don't tell me how I hate anything with Augeri at the helm, because it's simply not true. I'm not looking to burn Augeri at the stake like some others are around here. I'm obviously on record as being a huge Perry fan, but, that doesn't mean I thought Augeri sucked! Augeri wasn't Perry, but I always thought he did the Journey classics "justice" , when actually singing them! Now...let's sum up my "platform", in the event you want to cast your vote for me in next month's election:

1. Perry is Journey, period, end of story!
2. Augeri had a good singing voice when he was actually singing.
3. Arrival was superb and should have received MUCH heavier promotion than it received
4. Augeri wasn't capable of Perry's range, but ruined his voice trying like hell
5. Red13 SUCKED!
6. Generations SUCKED!
7. I've never disliked Augeri and honestly don't have a bad word to say about the guy
8. I DESPISE Augeri fans...I think they're all a bunch of whine bags and carry on like 12 year old boys in heat!
9. I think Back Talk should be taken over by moderators who actually allow open dialogue
10. Refer back to number 1 !!!!

John from Boston

Who is this Perry guy people keep talking about????

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I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

TNC - how highly do you rank Perry's vocal performance on ROR compared to the other albums he fronted?

OK...Not addressed to me but I'm butting in anyway.

I don't personally rate Perry's vocals on "Raised on Radio" as his very best. I've always thought "Frontiers" was his best vocal performance though it was becoming more obvious that he was racking up the mileage on the ol' vocal chords. That said, I liked the little bit of rasp that he had in that period. He didn't sound much worse on ROR but the vocals are more processed and I get the feeling that any additional slip in his vocal abilities was hidden as much as possible.

[Matthew]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

TNC - how highly do you rank Perry's vocal performance on ROR compared to the other albums he fronted?

OK...Not addressed to me but I'm butting in anyway.

I don't personally rate Perry's vocals on "Raised on Radio" as his very best. I've always thought "Frontiers" was his best vocal performance though it was becoming more obvious that he was racking up the mileage on the ol' vocal chords. That said, I liked the little bit of rasp that he had in that period. He didn't sound much worse on ROR but the vocals are more processed and I get the feeling that any additional slip in his vocal abilities was hidden as much as possible.

I pretty much agree with you, Dave. Both "Frontiers" and "ROR" represent Perry at his very best.

Plus "Street Talk"...in terms of the quality of the vocals anyway...

[NealIsGod]

I almost think ROR and Generations mirror each other in many ways.
There is a handful of stellar tracks and then a whole bunch of sub-standard dreck.

TNC - how highly do you rank Perry's vocal performance on ROR compared to the other albums he fronted?

OK...Not addressed to me but I'm butting in anyway.

I don't personally rate Perry's vocals on "Raised on Radio" as his very best. I've always thought "Frontiers" was his best vocal performance though it was becoming more obvious that he was racking up the mileage on the ol' vocal chords. That said, I liked the little bit of rasp that he had in that period. He didn't sound much worse on ROR but the vocals are more processed and I get the feeling that any additional slip in his vocal abilities was hidden as much as possible.

I pretty much agree with you, Dave. Both "Frontiers" and "ROR" represent Perry at his very best.

Plus "Street Talk"...in terms of the quality of the vocals anyway...

IMO, E5C4P3 represents Perry at his best. But the earlier albums with the more pure Perry voice are also untouchable.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC - how highly do you rank Perry's vocal performance on ROR compared to the other albums he fronted?

A nonpareil vocal operatic tour-de-force!
What he gradually lost in range he made up for in peerless mastery of control.
His awe-inspiring vocal display is one of ROR's few redeeming qualities.

[Red13JoePa]

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8. I DESPISE Augeri fans...I think they're all a bunch of whine bags and carry on like 12 year old boys in heat!

Not entirely unlike Red Sox fans.

[NoMoreTails]

As for the duet, I agree that Beyonce, Aguilera, and Mariah Carey are hags...and No, they are not in the picture. As for calling my girl Shania Twain a "hag" you miss are lucky I don't live next to you, or I would put you over my lap! She too, isn't in the picture.

A couple of years back Neal mentioned that he would be doing some writing for Shakira, I think the Latin stuff is what he was thinking at the time. Could this finally be about to bare fruit?