Why are we fighting?....JOURNEY!

[Monker]

How the Hell do you people know how to handle a scandal like this? It has only come out once and that was Milli Vanilli.

Oh, please, this is NOTHING like Mili Vainlli. They were embaressed in front of a international TV audience accepting a Grammy...All you have are a bunch of bootleg tapes that only add up to one opinion against another. Ashley Simpson on SNL is closer to Mili Vanilly then Journey is.

Journey knows they are not huge on the music scene. they also know they have a hardcore group of fans, so what is the point of announcing they fucked up? The media does not need to know this.

Which is another of your flip-flops...a few months ago you said it was going to be all over the place...and it NEVER HIT THE MAINSTREAM PRESS. It was just a blip...that barely anybody noticed.

Perhaps you are saying the above now because you know it NEVER WILL BE NEWSWORTHY.

The hardcore fans...some will leave but most will stay put. The new Journey kicks so much ass....the media will pick up the new Journey and all the GOOD publicity and if the band never acknowledges it, the media can't ask about it. The only people who know are us.

There will be questions about how JSS entered the band. And, if you are to be believed, Journey will have answer them with yet another lie. Funny that you seem to think that this is a good thing.

[Monker]

The new Journey may kick ass on stage, performing the classic songs.

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

No, the problem with the last Journey is they gave up trying to 'grab' new fans with new music. I see no reason to believe anything on that front has changed.

[Deb]

How the Hell do you people know how to handle a scandal like this? It has only come out once and that was Milli Vanilli. Journey knows they are not huge on the music scene. they also know they have a hardcore group of fans, so what is the point of announcing they fucked up? The media does not need to know this. The hardcore fans...some will leave but most will stay put. The new Journey kicks so much ass....the media will pick up the new Journey and all the GOOD publicity and if the band never acknowledges it, the media can't ask about it. The only people who know are us.

I don't think the media needs to know about the lipping necessarily......but at least come out with "had some vocal problems(whatever) with previous singer and that JSS is the new singer". If it is such a done deal like you say, at least they should announce the new singer FFS. Take their lumps and carry on. The way things are going, announcing JSS as the new singer right now would be good thing.

[SteveForever]

How the Hell do you people know how to handle a scandal like this? It has only come out once and that was Milli Vanilli. Journey knows they are not huge on the music scene. they also know they have a hardcore group of fans, so what is the point of announcing they fucked up? The media does not need to know this. The hardcore fans...some will leave but most will stay put. The new Journey kicks so much ass....the media will pick up the new Journey and all the GOOD publicity and if the band never acknowledges it, the media can't ask about it. The only people who know are us.

I don't think the media needs to know about the lipping necessarily......but at least come out with "had some vocal problems(whatever) with previous singer and that JSS is the new singer". If it is such a done deal like you say, at least they should announce the new singer FFS. Take their lumps and care on.

Tomorrow is a Monday and its a new month now so maybe the announcement is coming tomorrow-unless they are going to wait and officially do it for Andrew's interview?

[Monker]

Tomorrow is a Monday and its a new month now so maybe the announcement is coming tomorrow-unless they are going to wait and officially do it for Andrew's interview?

That wouldn't suprise me.

[L~L~L]

I do not fight well okay not anymore Anywho the band don't care about any of us so why argue about them. I just sit back and let things unfold It's like being a parent sometimes you just gotta let your kids trip over that rock and fall on his/her ass so he/she can learn from their mistakes

[Voyager]

Only shows that Journey is about the $ - not the fans.

They have made fools out of the folks on the official board who bust their ass to make JRNY-land look like paradise, weed out anything faintly resembling what really happened, and work around the clock to uphold the band's rep.

That's what P.R. is all about. Would you let anyone diss you on your own website? The BT forum is completely biased - and for obvious reasons. If you want to speak your opinion on an unbiased forum, stick with a place like the MelodicRock.com forums.

Also, I don't think you can say money is Journey's #1 priority. Maybe #3, and in this order:

1. The musicians in Journey love to play their music for their fans.

2. The fans urge Journey members to keep playing their music (as is obvious with the recent sold-out shows).

3. The money is a bonus.

[Citygirl]

Some folk on here did say the announcement was coming very soon/any day now.

I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up happening today. There's still time for that, the Americans are a good few hours behind us time zone wise and nearly a day behind Andrew... so I'll be watching this space later. I sometimes wonder if maybe they did it like this for a reason... i.e. tell everyone SA's only away for a wee while, let his fans get used to him not being there, then when it appears everyone's accepted JSS anyway... tell them it's permanent.

All about timing eh?

[Monker]

1. The musicians in Journey love to play their music for their fans.

If it were only about the music, you would get a MUCH more adventurous set...Or, something like Fyre's ideas where the GH stuff is ignore. Instead, it is all about selling tickets and giving fans the GH - and nothing else.

2. The fans urge Journey members to keep playing their music (as is obvious with the recent sold-out shows).

They are the opening band this tour...They are not THE reason there are sold out shows. The fans who "urge" Journey to continue are not the majority who buy these tickets anyway. It all about the money and selling the nostalgia of the band to get as many peole to buy tickets as possible.

3. The money is a bonus.

EVERYTHING is revolving around the money.

[Voyager]

EVERYTHING is revolving around the money.

Okay, then why are we here? Because we are passionate about a band that is driven by greed?

[Manarocks]

Neal basically told me the bt'ers needed to get a life. So maybe they should shut down the forum. All the mod's suck their anyway from Cj to Rusty. MR is one of the best forums on the net right now.

[NealIsGod]

Neal basically told me the bt'ers needed to get a life. So maybe they should shut down the forum. All the mod's suck their anyway from Cj to Rusty. MR is one of the best forums on the net right now.

Yup, this place is on fire now. Hard to stay away for too long.

[Monker]

EVERYTHING is revolving around the money.

Okay, then why are we here? Because we are passionate about a band that is driven by greed?

It may not be why you are here, but it is why Journey exists today.

[A Fire Inside]

Okay, then why are we here? Because we are passionate about a band that is driven by greed?

IMO, yes. You might not realize it, but it's true.

[Clasicrockldy]

Only shows that Journey is about the $ - not the fans.

They have made fools out of the folks on the official board who bust their ass to make JRNY-land look like paradise, weed out anything faintly resembling what really happened, and work around the clock to uphold the band's rep.

That's what P.R. is all about. Would you let anyone diss you on your own website? The BT forum is completely biased - and for obvious reasons. If you want to speak your opinion on an unbiased forum, stick with a place like the MelodicRock.com forums.

Also, I don't think you can say money is Journey's #1 priority. Maybe #3, and in this order:

1. The musicians in Journey love to play their music for their fans.

2. The fans urge Journey members to keep playing their music (as is obvious with the recent sold-out shows).

3. The money is a bonus.

I have one more to add to this list...............
4. Neal can't sit still...........

[VH#1]

1. The musicians in Journey love to play their music for their fans.

If it were only about the music, you would get a MUCH more adventurous set...Or, something like Fyre's ideas where the GH stuff is ignore. Instead, it is all about selling tickets and giving fans the GH - and nothing else.

2. The fans urge Journey members to keep playing their music (as is obvious with the recent sold-out shows).

They are the opening band this tour...They are not THE reason there are sold out shows. The fans who "urge" Journey to continue are not the majority who buy these tickets anyway. It all about the money and selling the nostalgia of the band to get as many peole to buy tickets as possible.

3. The money is a bonus.

EVERYTHING is revolving around the money.

Damn you're good.

[Abitaman]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

Don't forget Butterfly

[Liam]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

Don't forget Butterfly

I gotta say that Butterfly as a whole isn't a great song...but that solo at the end with all those things going on (3 layered guitars,keys, synths, strings, bass, drums) is AMAZING.

[Abitaman]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

Don't forget Butterfly

I gotta say that Butterfly as a whole isn't a great song...but that solo at the end with all those things going on (3 layered guitars,keys, synths, strings, bass, drums) is AMAZING.

I like Butterfly, reminds me of my middle daughter, but I said it because most people here dislike it -ERIC

[Liam]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

Don't forget Butterfly

I gotta say that Butterfly as a whole isn't a great song...but that solo at the end with all those things going on (3 layered guitars,keys, synths, strings, bass, drums) is AMAZING.

I like Butterfly, reminds me of my middle daughter, but I said it because most people here dislike it -ERIC

It's cool that it reminds you of your daughter.
The last minute of the song reminds me of my dad. That was the first thing I heard after I got on the plane last year right after I found out he died. A LOT of emotion in that solo.

[Monker]

Damn you're good.

Nah, I'm just an evil asshole who brings nothing to the forum.

I am well practiced though.

[VH#1]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

I said it. I could care less if people perceive me as a fan or not.

I listen to music for the sake of the music, not for the sake of the band. I pay for their music, and/or to see them live, and after that I owe them nothing.

[Chakra]

How the Hell do you people know how to handle a scandal like this? It has only come out once and that was Milli Vanilli. Journey knows they are not huge on the music scene. they also know they have a hardcore group of fans, so what is the point of announcing they fucked up? The media does not need to know this. The hardcore fans...some will leave but most will stay put. The new Journey kicks so much ass....the media will pick up the new Journey and all the GOOD publicity and if the band never acknowledges it, the media can't ask about it. The only people who know are us.

I don't think the media needs to know about the lipping necessarily......but at least come out with "had some vocal problems(whatever) with previous singer and that JSS is the new singer". If it is such a done deal like you say, at least they should announce the new singer FFS. Take their lumps and carry on. The way things are going, announcing JSS as the new singer right now would be good thing.

That's all fine and dandy, smooth things over like it never happened?! What about the concert attendees who were screwed out of the price of a ticket? I'm sure they thought they were there for an entire LIVE PERFORMANCE. I don't care if it's a freakin' rock and roll band or our own homegrown terroist, Bushwacker, president. Don't lie, steal and cheat to attain your own agenda. The Journey organization pulled a fast one on unsuspecting consumers and that sucks!! It's blood money pure and simple. Unadulterated greed! It's disgusting and pathetic to see the once great Journey sink so low and then hide behind the smoke and mirrors of a new frontman. (Hope he is getting paid well for his P.R. gig) First things first. Augeri didn't perpetuate this fraud by himself! Neal, Jon and management need to come clean with the fans who have stood by this Band for the last 30 years and THEN move forward. Accountability is a bitch, but it's sets you free. Before embarking on another money making tour how 'bout some ticket refunds, or free concerts? Now that would show some class.
I think the only "class" the Journeymen would understand is class action!

What about all the self righteous indignation perpetuated on this Board about the fiasco not too many months ago? Now everything is all warm and fuzzy?!! Nah! Funny how some backstage passes, comp tickets, and stroking of a fragile ego, trumped the cry for truth and justice. Swallow that load, misogynist.

[Saint John]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

Maybe lyrically and song writing wise, but they're vocally inferior. Not to mention the production quality sucks.

[Michael Leigh]

Neal basically told me the bt'ers needed to get a life. So maybe they should shut down the forum. All the mod's suck their anyway from Cj to Rusty. MR is one of the best forums on the net right now.

I couldn't agree more!!
I have been reading MR since it was the Hot Spot, but was a casual "lurker" on the Message Boards. I didn't know any better but to post on BT.

One of the reasons that nothing has been announced in regard to JSS being "in", is that Steve A is probably under contract until the end of the tour, and may have been instructed by PR or Journey's legal team, to not say anything. It's also possible JSS is under a "temporary contract", and since he is not "under contract" as a permanent member, he is allowed to speak more freely.
My guess is the story and official announcement will be given to Andrew since he has been such a staunch supporter of Journey!!
I think you'll also see excerpts from the interview, become the official announcement at BT.
Could also be the reason that the interviews probably won't up until the 2nd week of November .Which also would be after the 12th.

Just my thoughts and 2 cents.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Maybe lyrically and song writing wise, but they're vocally inferior.

Say what u will about his live foibles, but every studio recording by Augeri was fine.

[A Fire Inside]

Funny how some backstage passes, comp tickets, and stroking of a fragile ego, trumped the cry for truth and justice.

Right you are about that!

[Moose]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

NC, are you kidding? Bogus?
As much as I love those songs, there is no way in hell they stack up to the Escape/Frontiers classics.

[The_Noble_Cause]

NC, are you kidding? Bogus?
As much as I love those songs, there is no way in hell they stack up to the Escape/Frontiers classics.

The warm fog of nostalgia has skewed your judgment.
Yes, those songs are as good or near-as-good as some of Journey all-time best work.

[heardonthestreet]

But they haven't proven they can write new songs that will grab new fans. IMO, that was the main problem of the last Journey.

That's bogus.
"Higher Place" "Remember Me" "Place in Your Heart" "Signs of Life" all of these stack up against any of the classic output from Perry/Cain/Schon. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a Journey fan.

NC, are you kidding? Bogus?
As much as I love those songs, there is no way in hell they stack up to the Escape/Frontiers classics.

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And why are they not being used in concert? If they can add the SSB and Cain's two solo's into the mix, they should be able to sing the above mentioned songs, even if they had to announce beforehand that it was newer material.