Augeri's sweet revenge

[Abitaman]

I (unlike the majority here) like Augeri a lot. I feel sorry for him- sorry, but I do.

I'm in that club with you. But JSS will take them places that Augie couldn't.

Cant' argue with that, and you I like Augeri fronted band-ERIC

[brywool]

I (unlike the majority here) like Augeri a lot. I feel sorry for him- sorry, but I do.

I'm in that club with you. But JSS will take them places that Augie couldn't.

Cant' argue with that, and you I like Augeri fronted band-ERIC

So far, this is correct. I'd love see Perry... blah blah blah.
I like Jeff, but not in Journey. (SO FAR)

[brywool]

you win.

I wasn't aware we were playing a game.
At least I wasn't.

I dunno, feels like a pissing match to me. I stated my opinion and you chose to take offense. I don't agree with you. You don't agree with me. Big Deal.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I dunno, feels like a pissing match to me. I stated my opinion and you chose to take offense.

No, I showed you the error of your ways.

I don't agree with you. You don't agree with me. Big Deal.

You said people should only take issue with substantive matters such as war, and should willingly allow a band to rape their pocketbooks.
No wonder you are now back-pedaling.
Damn near impossible to defend a dunder-headed position like that.

[brywool]

No, I showed you the error of your ways.

No, you just showed what an ass you can be. I tried to let it go...

I don't agree with you. You don't agree with me. Big Deal.

You said people should only take issue with substantive matters such as war, and should willingly allow a band to rape their pocketbooks.
No wonder you are now back-pedaling.
Damn near impossible to defend a dunder-headed position like that.

Dude- what is your deal??? SCREW YOU!
"Rape" their pocket book? Gimme a break. Augeri put in 8 years with Journey. The guy had problems he's now not in the band. You're done being "raped". Pull yer pants back up. Get the F over it already - and yourself I might add.

I NEVER said I condoned the lip synching thing. Where did you get that I said you should "willingly allow a band to "rape" their fans?? Please read the posts before you respond. I just said it happens all the time and it ain't that big of a deal in the scheme of things. Did you have a good time at their show? Probably, so it was worth it. Did it suck that there were tapes involved? Yeah.

If it REALLY mattered to you, you'd turn your back on the entire band because it's obvious they all knew about it. I just don't think it's worth ruining the guy for. I'm incredibly dissapointed by it because I liked him and the direction of the last CD. But you're making him (and anybody that likes him) sound like the anti-christ. (Great, now you'll probably debate that!- It's a figure of speech dude). I'll still listen to the shows. I'll still buy the videos. I'll still put up with shit from guys like you on a message board cuz I like the band.

By the way, there's not an album out today where things like pitch correction and sampling aren't used. Maybe you'd better burn all your CDs because every one you own (at least put out in the last 10 years) has been pro-tooled, pitch corrected, etc. It's ENTERTAINMENT. It's nothing that important.

I'm not backpeddling I just got tired of your incessant cry of "rape". Puhleaze. It's a friggin' ROCK BAND.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I was wrong.

If you feel the band "raped" you, write them a letter and tell them to leave the money on the dresser next time.

[Sandman67]

Augeri's use of tapes

This is the one thing that still puzzles me....

Shouldn't it be Journey's use of tapes?

If were going to have a hanging party let's at least be correct shall we?

[Matthew]

Augeri's use of tapes

This is the one thing that still puzzles me....

Shouldn't it be Journey's use of tapes?

If were going to have a hanging party let's at least be correct shall we?

Exactly.

The two people who most let themselves down over this whole affair are Schon and Cain. I simply don't get this lingering resentment toward Augeri and the quick forgiveness of the two most senior members of the band.

Sure, we need to move on - but it's going to take a while for me to feel the same respect for the band that I used to have.

[wildone]

Augeri's use of tapes

This is the one thing that still puzzles me....

Shouldn't it be Journey's use of tapes?

If were going to have a hanging party let's at least be correct shall we?

............point.............

[Monker]

What for?
People can talk about whatever they want.
Perry's fake hip injury, Augeri's use of tapes, Dumbar's pedophiliac tendencies - u name it, it's all fair game here.

Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should.

[Red13JoePa]

I (unlike the majority here) like Augeri a lot. I feel sorry for him- sorry, but I do.

I'm in that club with you. But JSS will take them places that Augie couldn't.

Cant' argue with that, and you I like Augeri fronted band-ERIC

In the live arena.

I still think Augeri can deliver the goods in the controlled environs of the studio. Evidence Generations.
BUT: You gotta be able to tour behind it which is where we are now.

I'd like to see the band keep Elson on as producer for the next record, think it could be rock dynamite with JSS, Elson/Fraser.

[conversationpc]

I still think Augeri can deliver the goods in the controlled environs of the studio. Evidence Generations.
BUT: You gotta be able to tour behind it which is where we are now.

Augeri has a good voice. No doubt about it. However, like you're pointing out, there's a HUGE difference between singing live and in the studio. In the studio, you have a controlled environment. Temperature and humidity can be precisely controlled so that the environment fits the singer perfectly. You have multiple takes to nail the notes perfectly. If not, there's always Protools, which I hold doesn't necessarily make a bad singer sound good, but it can definitely help hide some imperfections.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Gimme a break. Augeri put in 8 years with Journey. The guy had problems he's now not in the band. You're done being "raped". Pull yer pants back up. Get the F over it already - and yourself I might add.

Perry is also out of the band. His varying traumas spun out of whole cloth are gone with him, too. We still talk about him. This is no different.

If it REALLY mattered to you, you'd turn your back on the entire band because it's obvious they all knew about it. I just don't think it's worth ruining the guy for.

Nobody is ruining anybody. I am just talking about something that happened. It's a part of Journey lore now and as such, is open to discussion.
Out of respect both to Steve and the band I did not discuss it until the band made the decision to replace him.

I'm incredibly dissapointed by it because I liked him and the direction of the last CD. But you're making him (and anybody that likes him) sound like the anti-christ. (Great, now you'll probably debate that!- It's a figure of speech dude). I'll still listen to the shows. I'll still buy the videos. I'll still put up with shit from guys like you on a message board cuz I like the band.

I'm one of the biggest fans of Augeri and "Generations" on here. I'm just honest.

By the way, there's not an album out today where things like pitch correction and sampling aren't used. Maybe you'd better burn all your CDs because every one you own (at least put out in the last 10 years) has been pro-tooled, pitch corrected, etc. It's ENTERTAINMENT. It's nothing that important.

Use of studio post-production refinement is NOT the issue here. Never has been.

If you feel the band "raped" you, write them a letter and tell them to leave the money on the dresser next time.

No need. For better or worse, the problem has been rectified.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should.

Then why did you so stridently pound away on the "Perry fake hip" drum for years and years?
You're a two-faced phony.

[Rockindeano]

Out of respect both to Steve and the band I did not discuss it until the band made the decision to replace him.

THAT is true.

[Abitaman]

Out of respect both to Steve and the band I did not discuss it until the band made the decision to replace him.

THAT is true.

yes it is