Only Solutions

[NoMoreTails]

The rolling eyes was at the Perryloon having to reach to take an Augeri potshot at a guy who's an avowed Neal head more than anything.

Well, I'd say that NMT has enough of an Augeri bias to be on shaky ground when he calls any other singer a "sap".

I'll admit to being biased toward SA, but 13's right, I was always a Journey fan because of Neal more than because of who's singing.
As far as the sappy stuff though, I'd attribute that to Jon instead of Augeri. Between the two, SA was much more of a natual rocker than SP, he was not the one that dictated the direction the band went during his era, as Perry was in his and in his solo work.

[Red13JoePa]

Thin-skinned about the Perry jokes?

It seems you're dying for that to be the case. But as I've said...I thought NMT made a witty joke.

I'm not dying for anything to be the case. I can SEE that it IS the case, as you disguised your bitter "That's rich coming from an Augeri fan" (presuming you know ONE THING about NoMoreTails) whine behind a LOL emoticon, but went right back the next post back to the "that's rich."

It is what it is. I was predicting it would madden some perryonlys and it did.
As for the Augeri cheapshot in response to the stillborn sideproject that was FTLOSM I will roll w/ Tall Stories any day of the week and twice on Sunday over FTLOSM.


I know, I know FTLOSM outsold Tall Stories. Good work by SP then.

[NealIsGod]

I know, I know FTLOSM outsold Tall Stories. Good work by SP then.

So did the "My Bodyguard" soundtrack, but I'll roll with TS, too.

[Matthew]

As far as the sappy stuff though, I'd attribute that to Jon instead of Augeri.

I won't deny that Jonathan Cain is capable of immense sapiness...but I've never detected any 'edge' to Augeri's voice, personality or image. Maybe I need to listen to his pre-Journey work a bit more carefully though.

[Matthew]

I'm not dying for anything to be the case. I can SEE that it IS the case, as you disguised your bitter "That's rich coming from an Augeri fan"

I think if anyone has a thin skin here it's you, Red 13.

(presuming you know ONE THING about NoMoreTails)

I'm not claiming to know much about NMT - but we have just had a long conversation on another thread.

whine behind a LOL emoticon,

I'm sorry to hear you're questioning the sincerity of my emoticon.

I was predicting it would madden some perryonlys and it did.

It didn't. This drama is all in your head.

As for the Augeri cheapshot in response to the stillborn sideproject that was FTLOSM I will roll w/ Tall Stories any day of the week and twice on Sunday over FTLOSM.

Your over-sensitivity about Augeri's sappiness makes this preference entirely predictable.

[Red13JoePa]

Augeri's sappiness?

Thought we were talking about your resentment of NMT's re-titling of FTLOSM, the one you smiled at through gritted online teeth but then kept harping on as "rich" while you seethed about it.

You're thin skinned about perry jokes. No shame. Just admit it to and don't put on the front of laughing about it.

I've sat on the boards for months of Augeri abuse without behaving whinnily. Far from as touchy you clearly are about all things perry.

[Matthew]

I've sat on the boards for months of Augeri abuse without behaving whinnily.

Until tonight.

[NoMoreTails]

...but I've never detected any 'edge' to Augeri's voice, personality or image. Maybe I need to listen to his pre-Journey work a bit more carefully though.

Yes, very edgy with Tall Stories and the Tyketto Shine album is downright raw, a bit rough in production and Steve's voice was rough as well has I believe he hadn't sang for a while prior to joining Tyketto. A very stripped down bluesy rocking album. This guy was a rocker with a Perry-esque tone not a crooner, imo better on the rock tunes than Perry ever was. Better Together from Generations is very similar to his vocal style on Shine.

[Matthew]

...but I've never detected any 'edge' to Augeri's voice, personality or image. Maybe I need to listen to his pre-Journey work a bit more carefully though.

Yes, very edgy with Tall Stories and the Tyketto Shine album is downright raw, a bit rough in production and Steve's voice was rough as well has I believe he hadn't sang for a while prior to joining Tyketto. A very stripped down bluesy rocking album. This guy was a rocker with a Perry-esque tone not a crooner, imo better on the rock tunes than Perry ever was. Better Together from Generations is very similar to his vocal style on Shine.

I must admit I haven't heard the Tyketto album - but it sounds very different from "All The Way" and other recent Journey songs in that vein. I know what you mean about Perry being a crooner at times and that he wasn't at his absolute best on the harder tunes.

I'll try to give that Tyketto album a listen.

[NoMoreTails]

I'm not claiming to know much about NMT - but we have just had a long conversation on another thread.

Actually I think we've had a couple of conversations over the last few days, your appreciation of ROR is a subject you and 13 would have agreed on to a certain extent. I sort of regret basically calling it shit, as anything Neal adds his licks to is going to be something I'll get some enjoyment from, I should have just left it at thinking it was Journey's least good album or Perry's best solo album.

[Red13JoePa]

I've sat on the boards for months of Augeri abuse without behaving whinnily.

Until tonight.

And how's that?


I don't see the correlation between your getting your back up about the FTLOSM joke in 1 post, demanding I qualify my eye roll responding to your cry babyness in another defensive post and repeatedly barbing Augeri and my own supposed whinnyness.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm not claiming to know much about NMT - but we have just had a long conversation on another thread.

Actually I think we've had a couple of conversations over the last few days, your appreciation of ROR is a subject you and 13 would have agreed on to a certain extent. I sort of regret basically calling it shit, as anything Neal adds his licks to is going to be something I'll get some enjoyment from, I should have just left it at thinking it was Journey's least good album or Perry's best solo album.

I love ROR but can feel the frustration of those who rip it, too. But for me, a phenomal record. Nope, it's not Neal shredding but showing good chops and restraint that loons never allow that he can display.
Perry w/ out the shrillness....

[Matthew]

I'm not claiming to know much about NMT - but we have just had a long conversation on another thread.

Actually I think we've had a couple of conversations over the last few days, your appreciation of ROR is a subject you and 13 would have agreed on to a certain extent. I sort of regret basically calling it shit, as anything Neal adds his licks to is going to be something I'll get some enjoyment from, I should have just left it at thinking it was Journey's least good album or Perry's best solo album.

Yes - that's right. And I know that Red 13 is a fan of that album so I can forgive his grouchy mood tonight.

Oh...and I wouldn't worry about calling ROR "shit"....it got the conversation going didn't it? I reckon that comment was just an 'ice-breaker'.

[NoMoreTails]

...but I've never detected any 'edge' to Augeri's voice, personality or image. Maybe I need to listen to his pre-Journey work a bit more carefully though.

Yes, very edgy with Tall Stories and the Tyketto Shine album is downright raw, a bit rough in production and Steve's voice was rough as well has I believe he hadn't sang for a while prior to joining Tyketto. A very stripped down bluesy rocking album. This guy was a rocker with a Perry-esque tone not a crooner, imo better on the rock tunes than Perry ever was. Better Together from Generations is very similar to his vocal style on Shine.

I must admit I haven't heard the Tyketto album - but it sounds very different from "All The Way" and other recent Journey songs in that vein. I know what you mean about Perry being a crooner at times and that he wasn't at his absolute best on the harder tunes.

I'll try to give that Tyketto album a listen.

To me, All the Way is one of those ballads that shouldn't have made the album, I believe the first writer listed on that one wasn't even one of the band if I'm not mistaken. I think thats a perfect example of Steve being pushed to deliver a Perry-ish performance. I think he did a good job but would rather have heard his own style more, as was the case on Red13 and Gens.
Regarding Perry, while he did some unbelievable stuff on Dead Or Alive, etc, that was not his style imo. I think the best band chemistry of the Perry era was Infinity. Perry was able to do his ballady stuff with r&b vocals, the band still jammed and rocked. Journey combined ballad and harder rock in the same song at times, using a lot of their pre-Perry sound and progressiveness. ...What was the title of this thread anyway....

[Matthew]

I've sat on the boards for months of Augeri abuse without behaving whinnily.

Until tonight.

And how's that?


I don't see the correlation between your getting your back up about the FTLOSM joke in 1 post, demanding I qualify my eye roll responding to your cry babyness in another defensive post and repeatedly barbing Augeri and my own supposed whinnyness.

Look Red 13...I thought NMT's retitling of FLOTSM was a mischievious and witty remark...and I responded with a comment back. It's called "banter". We'd just been talking in another thread most of today - so my tone genuinely wasn't hostile. That's why I questioned your eye-roll....

[NoMoreTails]

I love ROR but can feel the frustration of those who rip it, too. But for me, a phenomal record. Nope, it's not Neal shredding but showing good chops and restraint that loons never allow that he can display.
Perry w/ out the shrillness....

I should certainly be able to appreciate Perry without the shrill, grating thing he had going on at times. A point about the restraint thing people bust on Neal for...nothing compared to Perry going on and on, on the recent boots that were posted of Tokyo and Comisky of '79, did Perry ever shut the hell up? I mean did he have to ad lib and embellish constantly? I know they toured him to death, but how much of his voice could he have saved if he didn't do all the amazing yet nauseating excessive vocal acrobatics between 77 and 80?

[Matthew]

I love ROR but can feel the frustration of those who rip it, too. But for me, a phenomal record.

Now you're talking sense, Red 13.

Nope, it's not Neal shredding but showing good chops and restraint that loons never allow that he can display.

I have no idea what you mean here. I've never heard any Loon criticize Schon's solos. Maybe I missed all that during the "War" on the Loons earlier this year.

As for me...I totally agree with you...Schon's restraint and focus on ROR is amazing...and I'm often arguing that Schon's work on that album is under-rated...especially by his most passionate fans.

Perry w/ out the shrillness....

Again - I agree. 1986 was the most outstanding year in Perry's career as a vocalist. He had the range and the maturity...in fact he had everything on that record.

[conversationpc]

Again - I agree. 1986 was the most outstanding year in Perry's career as a vocalist. He had the range and the maturity...in fact he had everything on that record.

I prefer his performance on "Frontiers".

[Matthew]

Again - I agree. 1986 was the most outstanding year in Perry's career as a vocalist. He had the range and the maturity...in fact he had everything on that record.

I prefer his performance on "Frontiers".

There's not much in it, Dave. For me "Frontiers" was very close second.

[conversationpc]

Whoops, there I go again exhuding grumpiness and touchiness.

Most of the people in this forum fit into that category.

[Just Mindy]

Whoops, there I go again exhuding grumpiness and touchiness.

Most of the people in this forum fit into that category.

Just a day in MY life

[Red13JoePa]

Sorry then, Matthew...
Oh.well color me a firebreathing, sword brandishing, foaming at the mought berzerk Augeri defender who hot headedly instigated my own anger by misinterpreting your comments as perry defensiveness and responding in kind to the behavior which I misread as "hostile" with like hostility.

In the form of an eye roll.

[Matthew]

To me, All the Way is one of those ballads that shouldn't have made the album, I believe the first writer listed on that one wasn't even one of the band if I'm not mistaken. I think thats a perfect example of Steve being pushed to deliver a Perry-ish performance.

I agree...sounds like a boyband ballad.

I think the best band chemistry of the Perry era was Infinity. Perry was able to do his ballady stuff with r&b vocals, the band still jammed and rocked. Journey combined ballad and harder rock in the same song at times, using a lot of their pre-Perry sound and progressiveness.

I know what you mean...but for me "Escape" had the best overall band chemistry...plus it was heavier than "Infinity" and the progressive element was grander, more epic. It's an obvious album to pick...but I'd say that all five members of the group were on peak form on that album. Even Ross sounded great.

...What was the title of this thread anyway....

God knows...

[A Fire Inside]

I've never detected any 'edge' to Augeri's voice, personality or image. Maybe I need to listen to his pre-Journey work a bit more carefully though.

Or his vocal work on Generations.

[A Fire Inside]

Sallee, is there any way you can rip the Only Solutions video for Youtube or Yousendit? I'd love to see it.

[Clasicrockldy]

Sallee, is there any way you can rip the Only Solutions video for Youtube or Yousendit? I'd love to see it.

I wish I could, Fire, but I don't have a dvd burner on my computer. I do have a collection of Steve P/Journey videos ( about 3 hours worth!) that I could send via snail mail to you if you wanted me to.

[A Fire Inside]

No thanks, I don't give out my address online. But in the case I decide to I will definitely shoot you a PM.

[Clasicrockldy]

No thanks, I don't give out my address online. But in the case I decide to I will definitely shoot you a PM.

I fully understand where you are coming from, Fire. You know how to reach me if you want the dvd!

[TRAGChick]

So....

What's the "Plot-Synopsis" of this video?

Don't tell me they're dressed up in that "TRON-meets-Shania-Twain's-I'm Gonna Getcha Good" BS...

[Clasicrockldy]

So....

What's the "Plot-Synopsis" of this video?

Don't tell me they're dressed up in that "TRON-meets-Shania-Twain's-I'm Gonna Getcha Good" BS...

Lmaooooooo Nora! But no, not that. It shows scenes from the movie, plus some shots of the band. I haven't watched it lately.