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[itsjustme]

lori,, whats going on in New york did a plane hit a building???!!!!! whats goin on??

Yes, on the upper east side. First I heard a helicopter, now they're saying a commuter plane.

Today's date is 10-11-06. Turn it upside down. What do you get?

ooooooooohhhh!


THAT's a little creepy

[Deb]

I'm not so sure.
Monker says Perryfans were tearing down Chalfant as a Perry clone as far back as during The Storm.
He says some Perry fans even claimed Kevin was trying to dress and act like Perry.
If he were to replace Augeri, such criticisms could likely start back up again.

Never underestimate the failed logic of Perryfans... they would forget all about The Storm as long as Augeri was gone.

Hope you're not lumping all Perryfans under one umbrella......comparing Augeri to Soto is like comparing Donny Osmond to Sammy Hagar.

[Matthew]

I'm not so sure.
Monker says Perryfans were tearing down Chalfant as a Perry clone as far back as during The Storm.
He says some Perry fans even claimed Kevin was trying to dress and act like Perry.
If he were to replace Augeri, such criticisms could likely start back up again.

Never underestimate the failed logic of Perryfans... they would forget all about The Storm as long as Augeri was gone.

Hope you're not lumping all Perryfans under one umbrella......comparing Augeri to Soto is like comparing Donny Osmond to Sammy Hagar.

So true Deb...

[itsjustme]

lori,, whats going on in New york did a plane hit a building???!!!!! whats goin on??

Yes, on the upper east side. First I heard a helicopter, now they're saying a commuter plane.

Scary shit...

Now they say the plane is owned by New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle. Not sure if he was on it.

WHAT???? OMG...

Now they say (Fox News) that Cory was the pilot and is now dead.

so sad.

[Matthew]

I know this is true, but it's such BS logic it makes me sick. Kevin Chalfant could be up there replacing Augeri and they would be saying the same things as they are about JSS.

I'm not so sure.
Monker says Perryfans were tearing down Chalfant as a Perry clone as far back as during The Storm.
He says some Perry fans even claimed Kevin was trying to dress and act like Perry.
If he were to replace Augeri, such criticisms could likely start back up again.

I reckon you're right on this, TNC.

[Deb]

I'm not so sure.
Monker says Perryfans were tearing down Chalfant as a Perry clone as far back as during The Storm.
He says some Perry fans even claimed Kevin was trying to dress and act like Perry.
If he were to replace Augeri, such criticisms could likely start back up again.

Never underestimate the failed logic of Perryfans... they would forget all about The Storm as long as Augeri was gone.

Hope you're not lumping all Perryfans under one umbrella......comparing Augeri to Soto is like comparing Donny Osmond to Sammy Hagar.

So true Deb...

I honestly don't have anything against Augeri at all and has nothing to do with Perry comparisons, even if Soto replaced Perry, I'd still prefer his style over Augeri's. I just prefer my 'frontmen' to be the cool, raw, sexy rock gods they are supposed to be.

[Just Mindy]

I honestly don't have anything against Augeri at all and has nothing to do with Perry comparisons, even if Soto replaced Perry, I'd still prefer his style over Augeri's. I just prefer my 'frontmen' to be the cool, raw, sexy rock gods they are supposed to be.

Same here

[Enigma869]

John, Augeri did most of these things, and the PerryFreaks wanted him tarred, feathered and swinging from the gallows.
What's the difference?

Hey TNC...

I guess I can't answer for all Perry fans. I can tell you that my stance on Augeri has been VERY consistent, since he jointed Journey. I have never had any issue with Steve Augeri. I honestly thought "Arrival" was as solid as any other Journey piece of work they put out, during the Perry era. My only issue has ever been with the wiggle wack jobs on BT who go on and on about the dude's ass, red leather pants, and "wiggle". I have ALWAYS found it all nauseating. While I appreciate we're all human and are naturally attracted to people who we find visually appealing, I wouldn't be over on Faith Hill's (just using this as an example of an attractive woman) talking about the woman's cans!

In terms of why many Perry fans feel the way they do...I can only speculate that perhaps some thought he was a "Perry clone". I never really felt that way, as I thought Perry had a MUCH more powerful voice, and I certainly don't think they looked anything alike. I also think part of the resentment many Perry fans may have toward Augeri may come back to Augeri's wack job fans (I think the term "loon" is MUCH more apropos for Augeri's gang than Perry's!).

From the things I've read on BT over the years, many Augeri fans were EXTREMELY disrespectful of Perry and his legacy with Journey. Many Augeri fans still act like Perry never existed. All I can say is that is the height of arrogance when the guy you're touting (and I don't mean you specifically...just speaking in general terms here) is singing songs that were made famous by a guy you're putting down. Honestly, I'm someone who has been on record as saying that although Augeri wasn't blessed with Perry's voice, he certainly did the classic Journey material justice, from everything I heard. I have also been on record as saying I'm not sure JSS can do the Journey material the same justice, just by virtue of having a VERY different voice. I am still willing to give Soto a shot and reserving my judgement until I listen to some of his solo material and some new material with Journey. I have come to be a fan of Jeff's attitude and the respect he has for both Perry and the legacy of Journey and hope that he sticks around.

At the end of the day, Augeri isn't Perry and neither is Soto. That alone may be a "crime" to some Perry "loons", as you put it. For me personally, I am not naive enough to believe Journey will EVER have the success they had back in the 80's, regardless of who is singing lead (including Perry). Journey and Perry will FOREVER be connected, through the music, and nothing anyone ever says on a message board will ever change that fact! I was someone who was VERY reluctant to listen to Journey without Perry (because of that connection I just spoke of). I finally decided I still wanted to hear some music out of this great band and would have to accept someone else, other than Perry, singing the songs I grew up listening to. Is it the same for me? No, and it never will be! That said, it is the lesser of two evils. I'd rather listen to someone other than Perry sing Journey music, than nobody at all.

John from Boston

[Crazie Scarab]

I don't set the prices on my stuff, I have no control over them & no, not really, I don't see much profit on them at all. I get small advances to them but honestly you have to sell about 50,000+ to see any real royalties after advances, manufacturing, distribution, etc., I'm the last on the totem pole to get paid as there are many costs to be incurred 1st. On other albums/past projects where I was 'paid' up front, I get NOTHING from future sales even if the things sold 1,000,000 as is the case of Boogie Knights, I have no rights to sell it myself therefore cannot set the prices, sorry guys, wish I could help...but thanks for picking it up, hope you're not disappointed!

Hey Jeff... 'bout time you set yourself up an avatar! Cool, man!

BTW.. just to let everyone know.. when you buy CDs and such at shows, the percentage is much better for the artists. As with when I bought SS & LITT at a SS show.. Jeff, you should sell your solo stuff & such at the Journey merchandise table at the shows! Possible? Just a thought!

[Deb]

John, Augeri did most of these things, and the PerryFreaks wanted him tarred, feathered and swinging from the gallows.
What's the difference?

Hey TNC...

I guess I can't answer for all Perry fans. I can tell you that my stance on Augeri has been VERY consistent, since he jointed Journey. I have never had any issue with Steve Augeri. I honestly thought "Arrival" was as solid as any other Journey piece of work they put out, during the Perry era. My only issue has ever been with the wiggle wack jobs on BT who go on and on about the dude's ass, red leather pants, and "wiggle". I have ALWAYS found it all nauseating. While I appreciate we're all human and are naturally attracted to people who we find visually appealing, I wouldn't be over on Faith Hill's (just using this as an example of an attractive woman) talking about the woman's cans!

In terms of why many Perry fans feel the way they do...I can only speculate that perhaps some thought he was a "Perry clone". I never really felt that way, as I thought Perry had a MUCH more powerful voice, and I certainly don't think they looked anything alike. I also think part of the resentment many Perry fans may have toward Augeri may come back to Augeri's wack job fans (I think the term "loon" is MUCH more apropos for Augeri's gang than Perry's!).

From the things I've read on BT over the years, many Augeri fans were EXTREMELY disrespectful of Perry and his legacy with Journey. Many Augeri fans still act like Perry never existed. All I can say is that is the height of arrogance when the guy you're touting (and I don't mean you specifically...just speaking in general terms here) is singing songs that were made famous by a guy you're putting down. Honestly, I'm someone who has been on record as saying that although Augeri wasn't blessed with Perry's voice, he certainly did the classic Journey material justice, from everything I heard. I have also been on record as saying I'm not sure JSS can do the Journey material the same justice, just by virtue of having a VERY different voice. I am still willing to give Soto a shot and reserving my judgement until I listen to some of his solo material and some new material with Journey. I have come to be a fan of Jeff's attitude and the respect he has for both Perry and the legacy of Journey and hope that he sticks around.

At the end of the day, Augeri isn't Perry and neither is Soto. That alone may be a "crime" to some Perry "loons", as you put it. For me personally, I am not naive enough to believe Journey will EVER have the success they had back in the 80's, regardless of who is singing lead (including Perry). Journey and Perry will FOREVER be connected, through the music, and nothing anyone ever says on a message board will ever change that fact! I was someone who was VERY reluctant to listen to Journey without Perry (because of that connection I just spoke of). I finally decided I still wanted to hear some music out of this great band and would have to accept someone else, other than Perry, singing the songs I grew up listening to. Is it the same for me? No, and it never will be! That said, it is the lesser of two evils. I'd rather listen to someone other than Perry sing Journey music, than nobody at all.

John from Boston

Damn John, I couldn't agree with your post more.

[A Fire Inside]

I just prefer my 'frontmen' to be the cool, raw, sexy rock gods they are supposed to be.

Ha! Perry's solo work was none of that.

[A Fire Inside]

From the things I've read on BT over the years, many Augeri fans were EXTREMELY disrespectful of Perry and his legacy with Journey. Many Augeri fans still act like Perry never existed. All I can say is that is the height of arrogance when the guy you're touting (and I don't mean you specifically...just speaking in general terms here) is singing songs that were made famous by a guy you're putting down.

I usually find that those people have had bad experiences with Perry or his fans in the past that makes them act the way they do. If you've been reading BT for years perhaps your rosy glasses have prevented you from seeing the many attacks on the current lineup BY Perry fans. Remember, that's why Neal stopped going there! Perry has a great voice but he is no saint, and his talent alone is not enough to keep some people loyal at his side... a lot of people see TBF as Perry screwing over the band, and even Deano said that...

On the other hand, what has Augeri done to Perry fans? Accepted a job?

[Deb]

I just prefer my 'frontmen' to be the cool, raw, sexy rock gods they are supposed to be.

Ha! Perry's solo work was none of that.

You're a guy, it's your opinion. Although it was more mellow, I still think he had the raw, sexy thing going on on his FTLSM tour shows.

[A Fire Inside]

Live performance, sure. Studio? Not really.

[Deb]

Live performance, sure. Studio? Not really.

That's what I was talking about......whether it is Perry or JSS.....better LIVE, IMO.

[Enigma869]

I usually find that those people have had bad experiences with Perry or his fans in the past that makes them act the way they do. If you've been reading BT for years perhaps your rosy glasses have prevented you from seeing the many attacks on the current lineup BY Perry fans. Remember, that's why Neal stopped going there! Perry has a great voice but he is no saint, and his talent alone is not enough to keep some people loyal at his side... a lot of people see TBF as Perry screwing over the band, and even Deano said that...

On the other hand, what has Augeri done to Perry fans? Accepted a job?

Well, as I said...I'm not going to pretend to speak for Perry fans. I was a longtime BT veteran, so yes, I've read unflattering postings about both Perry and Augeri. I don't think you have to like one or the other. I think they were both talented guys. My experience on BT was the only ones who seemed to favor Augeri over Perry were the old chicks who wanted to lick the guy's ass! If you like Augeri because you think the guy is a talented musician, I say good for you! I think what it comes down to is that Augeri was stepping into an impossible situation (sort of like the kicker in New England right now trying to replace Adam Vinatieri). Augeri could have done everything perfectly (which he didn't!), and it still wouldn't have mattered to some. If the day does come that JSS is "officially" announced as the permanent lead singer of Journey, god help everyone over on that "other" site. I'm sure the women of BT will unite to give "Stevie Awesome" a respectable send off!

John from Boston

[ohsherrie]

Hope you're not lumping all Perryfans under one umbrella......comparing Augeri to Soto is like comparing Donny Osmond to Sammy Hagar.

Yeah, lumped under the same umbrella, tarred with the same brush, lynched on the same tree limb, thought of as a Unimind, .

I had nothing against Augeri at all until I saw the Free Per View and then I just thought he proved that I was right about Journey making a mistake in trying it without Perry. He just did nothing for me. The Perry hits sounded like pale, thin imitations. He was also not very entertaining to watch . It was the attitudes of some of the fans I encountered on messageboards ripping Perry up that pissed me off with their "Perry who?" and "who needs Perry?" comments. It was as if you couldn't be a Journey fan if you didn't like them with Augeri. Then that "Perry with a perm" comment on the BTM was just downright insulting. After hearing Arrival and Gens I like some of the music, but again, it was sort of like Journeylite.

If I'd seen Jeff on the Free Per View I think I may have felt quite differently about their decision to go on, and no one would have been stupid enough to say he was "Perry with a perm". I would still and will always be a diehard Perry fan, but not necessarily a Perry-only. I still would have been pissed at the way Perry was being dissed and villified on the boards though.

I'm ready for something new and fabulous from Journey with Jeff and that has nothing whatsoever to do with my feelings about Augeri or Perry.

[Deb]

It was as if you couldn't be a Journey fan if you didn't like them with Augeri. Then that "Perry with a perm" comment on the BTM was just downright insulting.

Poor Deeno.....just as Perry will never live down the "never felt part of the band" comment, Deen will never live down the "Perry with a perm" comment......considering he sounds more like Perry than Auguri ever did......who knew. They were just comments made on a tv show for effect........not mottos they live by, I'm thinking......

.....but you are right about the fans, it was the Augeri fans that turned me off more than anything with there all or nothing attitudes.

[Granny]

I just prefer my 'frontmen' to be the cool, raw, sexy rock gods they are supposed to be.

Ha! Perry's solo work was none of that.

You're a guy, it's your opinion. Although it was more mellow, I still think he had the raw, sexy thing going on on his FTLSM tour shows.

I agree with Strungout 100%. Thought he was perfect.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm an avowed JSS proponent as well as wiggle head.

That said, I have the FTLOSM Beacon NYC show on film and it is tremendous. Not the ESC4P3/Frontiers SP voice but I like his sound better on the ROR and FTLSM/TBF era anyway. I thought he pulled it off good and put on a good show.

[ohsherrie]

It was as if you couldn't be a Journey fan if you didn't like them with Augeri. Then that "Perry with a perm" comment on the BTM was just downright insulting.

Poor Deeno.....just as Perry will never live down the "never felt part of the band" comment, Deen will never live down the "Perry with a perm" comment......considering he sounds more like Perry than Auguri ever did......who knew. They were just comments made on a tv show for effect........not mottos they live by, I'm thinking......

.....but you are right about the fans, it was the Augeri fans that turned me off more than anything with there all or nothing attitudes.

Oh I'm sure Deen didn't mean what he said to be an insult, it's just that combined with the Perry negativity that was on the boards it hit me as just another way of trying to dismiss Perry's contribution to Journey. As if he was just a singer who could be replaced with just another singer. Not Deen's fault, just a unfortunate comment. I also think Perry's comment about not feeling part of the band was edited out of it's original context in that show. It didn't seem to fit into the context of what they were saying at the time, but would have earlier in the show.

[Enigma869]

Oh I'm sure Deen didn't mean what he said to be an insult, it's just that combined with the Perry negativity that was on the boards it hit me as just another way of trying to dismiss Perry's contribution to Journey. As if he was just a singer who could be replaced with just another singer. Not Deen's fault, just a unfortunate comment. I also think Perry's comment about not feeling part of the band was edited out of it's original context in that show. It didn't seem to fit into the context of what they were saying at the time, but would have earlier in the show.

I actually never thought Deen meant for that "Perry with a perm" comment to be even remotely disparaging to Perry, and I certainly never took it that way. I think what he was attempting to convey is he thought once Augeri started singing that most Journey fans would actually think it was Perry up there belting out the notes. His intimation was that Perry and Augeri sounded alike but just looked a bit different. I do think that Deen was GREATLY underestimating most Journey fans (and would probably admit as much if asked that question, off the record, today). The "tapegate" scandal certainly will only further the division between the Perry camp and Augeri camp. C'est La Vie. At the end of the day, it is only music!

John from Boston

[Deb]

Taken from an interview here on MR with Deen. Think he is a pretty big fan of Perry's too. He is so humble.........just love this guy!

Amen! Did you catch up with Steve Perry at the Walk Of Fame event?

You know, I shook his hand and said 'nice to meet you', I was just in awe. I turned the corner and my heart skipped – it was like, Oh My God, he's here!
To me that was the highlight of the event – to get to see my idol.
That was the coolest thing. To have him show up dude, it would not have been as special without him. I was praying he would be there.
I don't have any right to be there – I don't have anything to do with that legacy, but he needed to be there.

Did you have any time to chat at all?

Just an introduction and that was it…the rest of the time I was just staring at him. I'm a fan just like anyone else. It was freaking me out - the coolest thing ever.

[Moon Beam]

Castronovo is just the coolest cat

[ohsherrie]

I do think that Deen was GREATLY underestimating most Journey fans (and would probably admit as much if asked that question, off the record, today).

I really think they all underestimated the fans' reactions to a lineup without Perry. Not just on the parts of the Perry fans, but the overall depths of emotion it would cause between the various factions of their fanbase. I really believe they thought that most of us would just follow the name as long as they kept a sound that could be identified as the Journey sound. They didn't realize how closely we identified that sound with the specifics of Perry's voice and vocal style. It wasn't enough that they found a singer with a similar sounding voice because the Perry sound is so much more than a key or range and therefore the similarity was more of a liability than an asset for a lot of us.

I said then and still think they should have used some variation of the name that would still be recognizable to the fans and gone with a new musical direction. I doubt that they'll change the name at this point, but I think a new vocal sound is what they need. Sure they'll have to keep some of the classics in there for the casual fans, but I would rather they let Jeff put his spin on them than have Deen do an imitation of Perry. He does them justice without coming across as an imposter.

The "tapegate" scandal certainly will only further the division between the Perry camp and Augeri camp. C'est La Vie. At the end of the day, it is only music!

John from Boston

I don't know about that. I think the majority of both camps have met in the middle since Jeff came onboard. At least where the future of Journey is concerned, we'll never agree on Augeri vs Perry but that's all pretty irrelevant now anyway.

Yes, it's only music, but on these boards it's become about more than that for some reason.

[yak]

I really think they all underestimated the fans' reactions to a lineup without Perry. Not just on the parts of the Perry fans, but the overall depths of emotion it would cause between the various factions of their fanbase. I really believe they thought that most of us would just follow the name as long as they kept a sound that could be identified as the Journey sound. They didn't realize how closely we identified that sound with the specifics of Perry's voice and vocal style. It wasn't enough that they found a singer with a similar sounding voice because the Perry sound is so much more than a key or range and therefore the similarity was more of a liability than an asset for a lot of us.

I said then and still think they should have used some variation of the name that would still be recognizable to the fans and gone with a new musical direction. I doubt that they'll change the name at this point, but I think a new vocal sound is what they need. Sure they'll have to keep some of the classics in there for the casual fans, but I would rather they let Jeff put his spin on them than have Deen do an imitation of Perry. He does them justice without coming across as an imposter.


I don't know about that. I think the majority of both camps have met in the middle since Jeff came onboard. At least where the future of Journey is concerned, we'll never agree on Augeri vs Perry but that's all pretty irrelevant now anyway.

Yes, it's only music, but on these boards it's become about more than that for some reason.

How utterly silly to take an off the cuff remark, made by Deen eons ago, and spin it in your direction. With you and your postings, nothing ever changes. You always travel the same road....You spin things your way; when that doesn't work, you up and kiss somebody's ass, when that doesn't work, you pretend to be on JSS's side....although ever so slightly.....but it never works because everybody here knows what you and your gal pals are all about. Your cloak has been removed...and there you all are....in all your self-righteous, self-indulgent, and self-indignant hypocritical glory.

Change the name of the band? Neal is a founding member of Journey. Have you nothing to bring to the table of discussion

Like my sig says....The more things change (Journey)...The more things stay the same (Guess who? )

You really should get a life.

[Matthew]

How utterly silly to take an off the cuff remark, made by Deen eons ago, and spin it in your direction. With you and your postings, nothing ever changes. You always travel the same road....You spin things your way; when that doesn't work, you up and kiss somebody's ass, when that doesn't work, you pretend to be on JSS's side....although ever so slightly.....but it never works because everybody here knows what you and your gal pals are all about. Your cloak has been removed...and there you all are....in all your self-righteous, self-indulgent, and self-indignant hypocritical glory.

Change the name of the band? Neal is a founding member of Journey. Have you nothing to bring to the table of discussion

Like my sig says....The more things change (Journey)...The more things stay the same (Guess who? )

You really should get a life.

With all due respect....you are sounding like a mad person, Yak.

[yak]

With all due respect....you are sounding like a mad person, Yak.

I'm not mad at all, Matthew.

Stuff happened before you arrived here...."Stuff" that Deano and others know about. OhSherrie is coming off as a holier-than-thou "fan," and I know this not to be a fact, not only on her part, but on that of her other gal pals as well. I'm just sick of the hypocrisy, but mad happy that Journey has moved on so successfully. I'm just calling her out on her posts.

[Matthew]

With all due respect....you are sounding like a mad person, Yak.

I'm not mad at all, Matthew.

Stuff happened before you arrived here...."Stuff" that Deano and others know about. OhSherrie is coming off as a holier-than-thou "fan," and I know this not to be a fact, not only on her part, but on that of her other gal pals as well. I'm just sick of the hypocrisy, but mad happy that Journey has moved on so successfully. I'm just calling her out on her posts.

I'm not claiming to know much about whatever happened...other than a few accusations and counter-accusations I've read on this site. You're right, Yak - it was all before my time here.

The history you have is one thing...but the view that Journey haven't moved on successfully and that they made a terrible mistake by shutting the door on Perry...well, it's not an unusual one is it? In fact, I believe that myself and it's only now - eight years on - that I'm hopeful that I'll be proved wrong about that.

I tend to agree with Sherrie's posts and it seems to me that she isn't disguising her loyalties at all. Does it make anyone less of a fan if they strongly disagree with the direction a band takes at certain times?

Above all though...why do you care so much about her posts?

[NoMoreTails]

Matthew, though we haven't agreed on everything we've discussed, there's too much sense in your posts for you to be on the same page as these long time Perryheads on this board. Fundamentally, they believe Journey had no right to carry on without the object of their worship, regardless of whether Perry really intended to return or not and they believe the band are nothing as musicians without Perry there to direct their every move, this is not an exaggeration. Yes, he told Neal and Jon what to play and when, in their opinion. I would be absolutely shocked in any support they show of JSS and Journey is sincere. I know I'm lumping them all into the same category, but its been hard to tell one's post from the others over the last couple of years. But I'll that OhSherry has at least supported her views with some reasoning as opposed to HOTS and the others.