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[Enigma869]

I think Perry's influence on JSS is VERY evident. I think the main reason you're probably not hearing Perry fans criticize Jeff for his "Perry-isms" is that in my opinion, Jeff's voice sounds NOTHING like Perry's, while Augeri's voice resembled it a bit. Jeff's style is also VASTLY different than Perry's or Augeri's.

That can be your opinion...He sounds just as much like Perry in concert as Augeri, IMO.

I think Augeri had a much thinner voice than Perry, but his tone wasn't that dissimilar.

And, JSS uses the same vocal inflections, or whatever, as Perry. He sings the songs the same way as they are on the Houston DVD, for example.

It's hypocritical to critique Augeri for having the same 'tone' as Perry, which he can't help, and NOT critique JSS for basicaly mimicing the songs as they were sung in 1981-1984.

I also think the fact that Jeff has been very clear about how much he looks up to Perry can't help but give the guy a "free pass" with most Perry fans.

Augeri said the same things.

It's very difficult to criticize a guy who has never had any open criticisms about a guy who many people feel will always be the voice of Journey.

What 'open criticisms' did Augeri make towards Steve Perry?

Monker...

I know how much you love to stir the shit...but, allow me to straighten your ass out on a few issues! First and foremost...The only thing I have EVER criticized Augeri for is the woman's shirt he wore in the 2001 DVD. I'm not sure why you continue to bang the drum for Augeri with me. I challenge you to find one single critical remark I've ever made about Augeri on this board or in the 6 years I posted on BT. As I've posted before, it's only Augeri's wiggle wack job fans I DETEST! Many Augeri fans have been EXTREMELY disrespectful to Perry over the years and forget that if Perry didn't make all of these songs famous, Augeri would have still been working at The Gap! I am not someone who would criticize Augeri, JSS, or anyone else for the tonal quality of their voice. Their voice is what it is, and for the most part, they don't have all that much control over it.

Go over to BT and hold hands with all the annoying Augeri fans and sing "We Are The World". You'll all feel so much better. You should definitely go over there and console them all if and when the announcement comes down that Augeri is out, permanently. By the way, are you a chick or a dude? I thought you were a guy, but I've never seen a guy this attached to Augeri, so I'm beginning to wonder.

John from Boston

[ohsherrie]

That can be your opinion...He sounds just as much like Perry in concert as Augeri, IMO.

I agree because I never thought Augeri sounded that much like Perry. He had the same tone and a similar range, but not the power, depth and richness of sound. Jeff on the other hand, adds Perryesque vocal inflections and a similar singing style to a different type of voice with more power and depth than Augeri's. To me, he sounds a lot better doing the songs than Augeri did.

I think many people simply get caught up in a "group belief", and just follow it. Not really saying that's what you did...but, I do think others did.

I agree with this too, to a certain extent. Not exactly "group belief" but a sort of messageboard "mob mentality syndrome". Even though I didn't believe there could be a real Journey without Perry, and I didn't think Augeri did justice to the classic songs, not to mention his less than stellar performance style in the Free per View I saw, some of my put-downs of him came from the momentum of the conflict over Perry vs Augeri.


As for Augeri softening the blow, that may be true too. That's not the way I see it right now, but maybe a while from now in retrospect I will. Right now I'm just seeing a frontman that I think has the right stuff to carry on after the greatest frontman of all time(IMO).

[Matthew]

Hey, don't bring my name up in a thread I haven't had any discussion in. I never said jazz/rock 'fusion' and denim flares are where its at',

Just teasing you Cubby. Lighten up.

all I've ever tried to point out to a closed minded fuck head like yourself is Journey's history does not fall just between 1981 - 1986.

No need for the history lesson. But just to clarify....I'm a fan of the 1978-1996 era.

You want it to be 1983 forever, so who's living in the past. You want to limit this band to do nothing else, make no other song unless it fits into that 5 year span of a sound you think is the definition of this band. And all I'm saying is they have been around for 33 years, they have had many differents sounds with many different members who've come and gone, all who have contributed to the Journey legacy. I do not define the sound or history of any band by a couple of albums that were the peak of their commercial success, especially when (IMHO) they were not the best albums released. So do me a favor and shut the fuck up!

You need to put this in a letter and post it to the band, Cubby. They're the ones who are still playing the 1983 set list night after night.

As I've said many times before - in posts you either haven't read or have chosen to ignore - I find it depressing that Journey seem to have resigned themselves to being a Greatest Hits nostalgia act.

[A Fire Inside]

I don't think AFI was directing his post to you....I have the same question.

Well I was at the time, but it could be a general question.

Again, I'll point out the failed logic of Perry diehards. "JSS is respectful of Perry and that's why we like him." Ok, so... um... Augeri wasn't? Maybe the fact that he (*gasp*) took the job instead of saying, "you cracked the stone, I can't sing for you" offends them. Frankly it disgusts me that the fact that JSS is the second singer after Perry means that they can all jump on the bandwagon and ignore the similarities between his situation and SA's. JSS doesn't try to sound like Perry? Please. What are you on?

[A Fire Inside]

I thought you were a guy, but I've never seen a guy this attached to Augeri, so I'm beginning to wonder.

It's called the devil's advocate...

[Matthew]

I find it hard to believe that a SP group would actually squelch all talk of its namesake... but I'll just take your word for it.

AFI - they didn't squelch all talk of Perry. That would be an unfair criticism. The "there's nothing to talk about" line was a response to the complaints about the Augeri PR campaign.

Not a new FAN but new to the Internet scene, where we all just talk about the same things over and over and over... there's rarely anything "new" to argue about regarding Perry.

I see you what you mean now. Well, I've been on the Journey internet scene for about eighteen months - so yes I am fairly new - and I agree there's rarely anything new to argue about. I've certainly had the same discussions a million times over. The repetition must be part of the appeal, I guess. But this is true of both Perry and Journey messageboards, don't you think?

[Crazie Scarab]

You need to put this in a letter and post it to the band, Cubby. They're the ones who are still playing the 1983 set list night after night.

As I've said many times before - in posts you either haven't read or have chosen to ignore - I find it depressing that Journey seem to have resigned themselves to being a Greatest Hits nostalgia act.

Not Cubby here, but understand that they are leaving the post Perry material out for the time being and they have no new material with JSS - yet!

[A Fire Inside]

I see you what you mean now. Well, I've been on the Journey internet scene for about eighteen months - so yes I am fairly new - and I agree there's rarely anything new to argue about. I've certainly had the same discussions a million times over. The repetition must be part of the appeal, I guess. But this is true of both Perry and Journey messageboards, don't you think?

Absolutely! My point was that you seemed to be irritated that certain places would tell you that there's nothing new to talk about regarding Perry... and they're right! There's also nothing new to discuss regarding Journey history (before 2001). I do agree that it may be part of the appeal but like I said... they're right when they say there's no real point in discussing Perry in circles.

[Matthew]

Come on and what? Come over to your way of thinking? This post is not even remotely about Steve Augeri. When one changes the subject, it's because one has nothing pertinent to say.

My point was that there are fanatics on both sides.

The "simple fact" is that Journey's out on the road; Perry's sitting in his easy chair with his cats. Here's to "success is in the eye of the beholder."

Journey aren't on the road making a living from post-Perry music. Until they are I wouldn't get so triumphant about their modern-day career.

Their memory is selective when it comes to Perry. The man sees no evil, hears no evil, does no evil.

And this seems to be your attitude about Journey during the Augeri era. Correct me if I'm wrong though...

Do those incredibly high standards include Perry never signing autographs for his fans at the end of a concert? Neal and Jon stayed late and did just that. Perry was nowhere to be found.

I've read many stories about Perry, Schon and Cain behaving in an aloof way to their fans. And many positive stories about all three of them too.

Yes...Perry certainly had the worst reputation back in the 1980s. But this year he's done a Q+A...showed up at the Perryville WOF visit...bought two fans lunch a month or so back...and so on.

Do those incredibly high standards include being the main control of the entity, as in "my way or the highway?"

Most bands have one member who is the charismatic leader...the guy who has the drive, vision and inspirational abilities to take the band to the top. Journey were lucky...they had HH as the manager...and Perry as the dominant band member...and sure enough...they made it to the top.

From what I've read Neal Schon is now the leader of the band...and I've read many complaints from Augeri fans saying that Neal's relentless, domineering need to tour ruined Augeri's voice...that Schon should have been more considerate of the needs of the team.

Maybe there are successful bands who operate in a perfect democracy...but you must admit they are the exception to the rule.

Because it was the Perry board at MR. They bitched until Andrew gave them what they wanted, and they thanked him by constantly being on the Journey board, trying to disrupt it.

For what it's worth...I reckon having a separate Perry board on MR was a very bad idea.

Journey's out on the road earning money for an ex-singer content to sit on his duff and collect checks while watching baseball games.

Who are the suckers in that arrangement I wonder?

What's your poster boy done, solo or otherwise, past and present, other than reissues, or whistling backup on somebody else's CD, that's made headlines?

Frustratingly little...but he has kept his dignity whilst others have lost theirs...and the DVDs gave me considerably more pleasue than "Arrrival" nd Generations" did.

Truth is, Perry went solo only to semi moderate success, and that was with backing.

"Street Talk" was a big success. "FLOTSM" wasn't - and it was a disappointing album too. There's no doubt that Perry's solo work shows just how much he depends on Schon for the 'magic' to happen. And so too with Neal's work without Perry...

And you defend ohsherrie to the death.

I wrote two posts about the fact that you seemed to be stalking her.

Aren't you the one who said you used to frequent Perryville? A guy at Perryville? Yeah...OK.

Yes, Perryville is aimed primarily at women - but I liked a number of people on that site and the owner Kathy does a great job over there - especially re: the range and frequency of the rare Journey/Perry clips she puts up on the site.

[donnaplease]

I don't think AFI was directing his post to you....I have the same question.

Well I was at the time, but it could be a general question.

Again, I'll point out the failed logic of Perry diehards. "JSS is respectful of Perry and that's why we like him." Ok, so... um... Augeri wasn't? Maybe the fact that he (*gasp*) took the job instead of saying, "you cracked the stone, I can't sing for you" offends them. Frankly it disgusts me that the fact that JSS is the second singer after Perry means that they can all jump on the bandwagon and ignore the similarities between his situation and SA's. JSS doesn't try to sound like Perry? Please. What are you on?

I guess I am a Perry die-hard. I never said though that I resented Augeri for taking the job. I'm sure it was a dream come true for him, and anyone in that position would jump at the chance. If I were to blame anyone, it would have to be Neal and Jon. But I'm not. It's a business, and that's that.

I'm sorry that you're so disgusted. I wonder, do you resent Journey and JSS for moving on with this tour in light of Augeri's current status? I think you probably do, and that's okay. It just seems like you're being a little hypocritical, saying that the "Perry diehards" are not supposed to do something that it appears you yourself are doing. Maybe the difference is that JSS is stepping in to save the tour (or so it seems) due to illness and the decision to move on with SA was a deliberate act. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. JSS is in, and SA and SP are out, and that's the way it is.

[Matthew]

I see you what you mean now. Well, I've been on the Journey internet scene for about eighteen months - so yes I am fairly new - and I agree there's rarely anything new to argue about. I've certainly had the same discussions a million times over. The repetition must be part of the appeal, I guess. But this is true of both Perry and Journey messageboards, don't you think?

Absolutely! My point was that you seemed to be irritated that certain places would tell you that there's nothing new to talk about regarding Perry... and they're right! There's also nothing new to discuss regarding Journey history (before 2001). I do agree that it may be part of the appeal but like I said... they're right when they say there's no real point in discussing Perry in circles.

Oh sure...they were right about that up to a point...although I've yet to hear a convincing theory to explain why Perry has only recorded two albums in twenty years...his psychology is still hard to figure out and it's not as though the mystery has been 'solved'...but still...as you say...the "OMG how cool would it be to have dinner with Perry and what would you say?" type conversations are pretty dull.

What irritated me...and what - to be honest - made it reasonably fun and interesting too...was that the moderators were using the site to promote Augeri. Whatever we might think of the conversation on most Perry boards...the fact is....on Yahoo the Steve Perry Group has by far the biggest membership compared to any of the other Journey-related sites. And 99% of the membership want to talk about Perry's hair and fantasy dinner dates and so on....

So I can understand why the moderators would be bored to death of all that after nine long years. But they had devious motives for hanging in there. Now that Augeri has gone they've started posting negative concert reviews of JSS...so I guess they'll gradually find something else to do with their time now that they've got nothing to be evangelical about.

[cubby69]

Hey, don't bring my name up in a thread I haven't had any discussion in. I never said jazz/rock 'fusion' and denim flares are where its at',

Just teasing you Cubby. Lighten up.

all I've ever tried to point out to a closed minded fuck head like yourself is Journey's history does not fall just between 1981 - 1986.

No need for the history lesson. But just to clarify....I'm a fan of the 1978-1996 era.

You want it to be 1983 forever, so who's living in the past. You want to limit this band to do nothing else, make no other song unless it fits into that 5 year span of a sound you think is the definition of this band. And all I'm saying is they have been around for 33 years, they have had many differents sounds with many different members who've come and gone, all who have contributed to the Journey legacy. I do not define the sound or history of any band by a couple of albums that were the peak of their commercial success, especially when (IMHO) they were not the best albums released. So do me a favor and shut the fuck up!

You need to put this in a letter and post it to the band, Cubby. They're the ones who are still playing the 1983 set list night after night.

As I've said many times before - in posts you either haven't read or have chosen to ignore - I find it depressing that Journey seem to have resigned themselves to being a Greatest Hits nostalgia act.

Sorry if you were only kidding, its not the way it came across. I apologize for going off on you. I'm actually glad to see you like the band before Cain, I personally think it was the strongest lineup, but maybe thats just me... ...Actually when I was talking about the sound of the 81 - 86 era, I was more talking about how some fans refuse to listen to anything that doesn't fit inside that 5 year period and I just don't get it. But you're absolutley correct, the band themselves may be creating that problem by not playing more songs outside of that era themselves. Nobody is more frustrated about the 'greatest hits' dirty dozen shit setlist these guys have been stuck on for the past few years than I. So on that point you and I couldn't agree more. Thanks for the clarifications and again I apologize for coming off so strong, its just a pet peeve of mine...later bud...

[A Fire Inside]

I wonder, do you resent Journey and JSS for moving on with this tour in light of Augeri's current status? I think you probably do, and that's okay. It just seems like you're being a little hypocritical, saying that the "Perry diehards" are not supposed to do something that it appears you yourself are doing. Maybe the difference is that JSS is stepping in to save the tour (or so it seems) due to illness and the decision to move on with SA was a deliberate act. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. JSS is in, and SA and SP are out, and that's the way it is.

Yup, I do resent it. I think it stinks how Augeri is getting saddled with this "tape" thing and the rest of them can blow it off by simply kicking him out. How is that hypocritical...? Perry's situation was different... he was NOT left to shoulder the blame for something the whole band did, not to mention the fact that they waited a couple of YEARS for him to get better, while Augeri was ousted mid-tour. You can call me a hypocrite if and when I decide that JSS's replacement is A-OK for no real reason. I don't even have much of a problem with JSS - he's a fine singer - but the actions of the band have, as I said, simply stunk. THAT is why I cannot support them, but I am starting to think that is the reason Perry diehards feel like they CAN.

But guess what? If Perry diehards were allowed to sit around forums for years trashing everything pre- and post-Perry, I'm certainly allowed to stay here and argue in favor of 1975-2005.

[A Fire Inside]

What irritated me...and what - to be honest - made it reasonably fun and interesting too...was that the moderators were using the site to promote Augeri. Whatever we might think of the conversation on most Perry boards...the fact is....on Yahoo the Steve Perry Group has by far the biggest membership compared to any of the other Journey-related sites. And 99% of the membership want to talk about Perry's hair and fantasy dinner dates and so on....

There's a simple solution to all this... make your own Perry group!

[Matthew]

Sorry if you were only kidding, its not the way it came across. I apologize for going off on you.

Cheers Cubby. And sorry for getting my tone all wrong in my earlier post.

I'm actually glad to see you like the band before Cain, I personally think it was the strongest lineup, but maybe thats just me... ...Actually when I was talking about the sound of the 81 - 86 era, I was more talking about how some fans refuse to listen to anything that doesn't fit inside that 5 year period and I just don't get it.

I reckon the time-frame is probably even narrower than that...because ROR isn't a widely loved album and Journey ignore it too...other than "Be Good To Yourself". So it's mainly a two year period that most fans are restricting themselves to.

But you're absolutley correct, the band themselves may be creating that problem by not playing more songs outside of that era themselves. Nobody is more frustrated about the 'greatest hits' dirty dozen shit setlist these guys have been stuck on for the past few years than I. So on that point you and I couldn't agree more. Thanks for the clarifications and again I apologize for coming off so strong, its just a pet peeve of mine...later bud...

No problem at all - and sorry I've over-reacted in the other threads we've talked in. Actually...as as result of our run-ins...I've realised that I haven't given the pre-Perry albums a fair listen for a long, long time..even though I'm always taking the piss out of them...so I definitely going to dig them out again.

[Matthew]

What irritated me...and what - to be honest - made it reasonably fun and interesting too...was that the moderators were using the site to promote Augeri. Whatever we might think of the conversation on most Perry boards...the fact is....on Yahoo the Steve Perry Group has by far the biggest membership compared to any of the other Journey-related sites. And 99% of the membership want to talk about Perry's hair and fantasy dinner dates and so on....

There's a simple solution to all this... make your own Perry group!

Well, I was involved in the start-up of a breakaway group...formed when one girl had received one Admin Warning too many during Tapegate....and which was great at first because there was only about five of us and it was refreshing to be able to have a half-decent conversation about the guy.

Sure, we were able to go on and and on about what a genius and a spiritual leader he was without some Augerihead stamping on our buzz...but equally we were free to discuss how much he pissed us off too with his cat-and-mouse games...his failure to either officially retire or come back...the mother-fixation thing...the possibility that he's got clinical depression...etc...etc...without a Perry fanatic taking offense.

But the membership increased and the "what's your favourite Steve hairstyle?" and "what would you say if Steve's car broke down outside your house?" threads started appearing...and then I finally was able to register on MR after months of being unable to due to some fault or other. And this place is much more entertaining. The owner got bored too and the site was shut down about a month ago.

Anyway...that was more than you needed or wanted to know I'm sure...

[journeyrock]

I think Perry's influence on JSS is VERY evident. I think the main reason you're probably not hearing Perry fans criticize Jeff for his "Perry-isms" is that in my opinion, Jeff's voice sounds NOTHING like Perry's, while Augeri's voice resembled it a bit. Jeff's style is also VASTLY different than Perry's or Augeri's.

That can be your opinion...He sounds just as much like Perry in concert as Augeri, IMO.

I think Augeri had a much thinner voice than Perry, but his tone wasn't that dissimilar.

And, JSS uses the same vocal inflections, or whatever, as Perry. He sings the songs the same way as they are on the Houston DVD, for example.

It's hypocritical to critique Augeri for having the same 'tone' as Perry, which he can't help, and NOT critique JSS for basicaly mimicing the songs as they were sung in 1981-1984.

I also think the fact that Jeff has been very clear about how much he looks up to Perry can't help but give the guy a "free pass" with most Perry fans.

Augeri said the same things.

It's very difficult to criticize a guy who has never had any open criticisms about a guy who many people feel will always be the voice of Journey.

What 'open criticisms' did Augeri make towards Steve Perry?

Monker...

I know how much you love to stir the shit...but, allow me to straighten your ass out on a few issues! First and foremost...The only thing I have EVER criticized Augeri for is the woman's shirt he wore in the 2001 DVD. I'm not sure why you continue to bang the drum for Augeri with me. I challenge you to find one single critical remark I've ever made about Augeri on this board or in the 6 years I posted on BT. As I've posted before, it's only Augeri's wiggle wack job fans I DETEST! Many Augeri fans have been EXTREMELY disrespectful to Perry over the years and forget that if Perry didn't make all of these songs famous, Augeri would have still been working at The Gap! I am not someone who would criticize Augeri, JSS, or anyone else for the tonal quality of their voice. Their voice is what it is, and for the most part, they don't have all that much control over it.

Go over to BT and hold hands with all the annoying Augeri fans and sing "We Are The World". You'll all feel so much better. You should definitely go over there and console them all if and when the announcement comes down that Augeri is out, permanently. By the way, are you a chick or a dude? I thought you were a guy, but I've never seen a guy this attached to Augeri, so I'm beginning to wonder.

John from Boston

John, whenever I read a post that just cracks me up or I am able to say "YES" to, it always seems to have your signature at the bottom. You tell it like it is man, keep it posting.

[A Fire Inside]

But the membership increased and the "what's your favourite Steve hairstyle?" and "what would you say if Steve's car broke down outside your house?" threads started appearing...

That IS the inevitable outcome, isn't it? That should be the official Perry's Law... "the longer a conversation about Steve Perry goes on, the more likely it will regress to his looks."

[donnaplease]

I wonder, do you resent Journey and JSS for moving on with this tour in light of Augeri's current status? I think you probably do, and that's okay. It just seems like you're being a little hypocritical, saying that the "Perry diehards" are not supposed to do something that it appears you yourself are doing. Maybe the difference is that JSS is stepping in to save the tour (or so it seems) due to illness and the decision to move on with SA was a deliberate act. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. JSS is in, and SA and SP are out, and that's the way it is.

Yup, I do resent it. I think it stinks how Augeri is getting saddled with this "tape" thing and the rest of them can blow it off by simply kicking him out. How is that hypocritical...? Perry's situation was different... he was NOT left to shoulder the blame for something the whole band did, not to mention the fact that they waited a couple of YEARS for him to get better, while Augeri was ousted mid-tour. You can call me a hypocrite if and when I decide that JSS's replacement is A-OK for no real reason. I don't even have much of a problem with JSS - he's a fine singer - but the actions of the band have, as I said, simply stunk. THAT is why I cannot support them, but I am starting to think that is the reason Perry diehards feel like they CAN.

But guess what? If Perry diehards were allowed to sit around forums for years trashing everything pre- and post-Perry, I'm certainly allowed to stay here and argue in favor of 1975-2005.

I agree with you about 'Augeri getting saddled with the tape thing and the rest of them blowing it off'. Something's not right there, and any reasonable person would question it.

However, you gave yourself away...first you stated that you had no problem with JSS, but the actions of the band are what make you feel the way you do, and therefore you cannot support them. I believe that is exactly how Perry fans felt when SA came aboard. It wasn't him, per se, but he was the "new guy", therefore the easiest one to pick on. There were just too many similarities (his name even rhymes with Perry's, for Christ's sake!) to think it wasn't an intentional replacement to soften the blow of a new guy. Besides the distance time-wise, JSS brings a new look and sound to the table.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not totally sold on JSS. I've not been truly impressed by the boots I've heard (and there's one with him singing a Faithfully/Purple Rain medley that makes me ask "WTF"???, but I gonna check it out on November 9 just to see if they're really as energized and kick-ass as everyone has been saying.

Please continue to share your views on anything and everything Journey. That's what this board is all about (I guess, I'm still new here).

[Deb]

But the membership increased and the "what's your favourite Steve hairstyle?" and "what would you say if Steve's car broke down outside your house?" threads started appearing...

That IS the inevitable outcome, isn't it? That should be the official Perry's Law... "the longer a conversation about Steve Perry goes on, the more likely it will regress to his looks."

Sorry that us women are such visual creatures.

[Deb]

I wonder, do you resent Journey and JSS for moving on with this tour in light of Augeri's current status? I think you probably do, and that's okay. It just seems like you're being a little hypocritical, saying that the "Perry diehards" are not supposed to do something that it appears you yourself are doing. Maybe the difference is that JSS is stepping in to save the tour (or so it seems) due to illness and the decision to move on with SA was a deliberate act. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. JSS is in, and SA and SP are out, and that's the way it is.

Yup, I do resent it. I think it stinks how Augeri is getting saddled with this "tape" thing and the rest of them can blow it off by simply kicking him out. How is that hypocritical...? Perry's situation was different... he was NOT left to shoulder the blame for something the whole band did, not to mention the fact that they waited a couple of YEARS for him to get better, while Augeri was ousted mid-tour. You can call me a hypocrite if and when I decide that JSS's replacement is A-OK for no real reason. I don't even have much of a problem with JSS - he's a fine singer - but the actions of the band have, as I said, simply stunk. THAT is why I cannot support them, but I am starting to think that is the reason Perry diehards feel like they CAN.

But guess what? If Perry diehards were allowed to sit around forums for years trashing everything pre- and post-Perry, I'm certainly allowed to stay here and argue in favor of 1975-2005.

I agree with you about 'Augeri getting saddled with the tape thing and the rest of them blowing it off'. Something's not right there, and any reasonable person would question it.

However, you gave yourself away...first you stated that you had no problem with JSS, but the actions of the band are what make you feel the way you do, and therefore you cannot support them. I believe that is exactly how Perry fans felt when SA came aboard. It wasn't him, per se, but he was the "new guy", therefore the easiest one to pick on. There were just too many similarities (his name even rhymes with Perry's, for Christ's sake!) to think it wasn't an intentional replacement to soften the blow of a new guy. Besides the distance time-wise, JSS brings a new look and sound to the table.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not totally sold on JSS. I've not been truly impressed by the boots I've heard (and there's one with him singing a Faithfully/Purple Rain medley that makes me ask "WTF"???, but I gonna check it out on November 9 just to see if they're really as energized and kick-ass as everyone has been saying.

Please continue to share your views on anything and everything Journey. That's what this board is all about (I guess, I'm still new here).

Donna, please share a review on the board after the Nov 9th concert......for us peeps that can't make it to a show and have to live vicariously through those who are.

[donnaplease]

I wish you could join us - I haven't looked this forward to a concert in a LONG time! (Still waiting for 'our guy' though... )

[A Fire Inside]

However, you gave yourself away...first you stated that you had no problem with JSS, but the actions of the band are what make you feel the way you do, and therefore you cannot support them. I believe that is exactly how Perry fans felt when SA came aboard. It wasn't him, per se, but he was the "new guy", therefore the easiest one to pick on.

Hey, I can't blame Perry fans for feeling that way (no pun intended), but as I said, you can't call me a hypocrite unless I decide to forgive the band just because they get rid of JSS and hire someone who doesn't sound like him. It's true I have little problem with JSS (unless the Augeri replacement was premeditated, but that's another topic), but why should I put money in the band's pockets just because one out of five hasn't pissed me off? Their recent decisions and their energy onstage are hardly enough to make me forget about Augeri and forgive them for Tapegate.

[donnaplease]

I think the hypocricy is in the SP/SA/JSS comparison, NOT the SA/JSS/next guy comparison. I don't know, maybe I'm not expressing myself clearly. Isn't that what you were first saying? Basically that people shouldn't be so accepting to JSS, when they perhaps weren't so accepting of SA when he first took over.

Maybe, the fact that Journey is moving on with yet another singer other than Steve Perry leads some to believe that the 'divorce is truly final' and that our beloved SP will not ever front Journey again. Perhaps this is what has allowed some to 'get over it' and give JSS a chance.

I don't know, and like I said, I wasn't really too into the SA era Journey, I just know how I feel about it now.

It's great talking about it with you though.

[Crazie Scarab]

but why should I put money in the band's pockets just because one out of five hasn't pissed me off?

Nobody said you have to. If you don't like Journey for what it is.. take a hike. Nobody will miss ya.

[A Fire Inside]

but why should I put money in the band's pockets just because one out of five hasn't pissed me off?

Nobody said you have to. If you don't like Journey for what it is.. take a hike. Nobody will miss ya.

Thanks, but I'm staying put... I like Journey for what it was up until last year.

[cubby69]

Sorry if you were only kidding, its not the way it came across. I apologize for going off on you.

Cheers Cubby. And sorry for getting my tone all wrong in my earlier post.

I'm actually glad to see you like the band before Cain, I personally think it was the strongest lineup, but maybe thats just me... ...Actually when I was talking about the sound of the 81 - 86 era, I was more talking about how some fans refuse to listen to anything that doesn't fit inside that 5 year period and I just don't get it.

I reckon the time-frame is probably even narrower than that...because ROR isn't a widely loved album and Journey ignore it too...other than "Be Good To Yourself". So it's mainly a two year period that most fans are restricting themselves to.

But you're absolutley correct, the band themselves may be creating that problem by not playing more songs outside of that era themselves. Nobody is more frustrated about the 'greatest hits' dirty dozen shit setlist these guys have been stuck on for the past few years than I. So on that point you and I couldn't agree more. Thanks for the clarifications and again I apologize for coming off so strong, its just a pet peeve of mine...later bud...

No problem at all - and sorry I've over-reacted in the other threads we've talked in. Actually...as as result of our run-ins...I've realised that I haven't given the pre-Perry albums a fair listen for a long, long time..even though I'm always taking the piss out of them...so I definitely going to dig them out again.

Thats all I ever want anyone to do, is really give them a chance. There are some incredible Journey-esque tunes on those three albums that everyone dismisses before they actually listen to any of them. Thanks bro, have a good one...

[Red13JoePa]

Cubbs, you have the boots from last year where they did all the best Pre-Perrys?

I was just listening to I'm Gonna Leave You this am live from the Gens tour and loving it....

[cubby69]

Cubbs, you have the boots from last year where they did all the best Pre-Perrys?

I was just listening to I'm Gonna Leave You this am live from the Gens tour and loving it....

Hey 13, whats up bud, no, I've don't have or have heard any boots with the Pre-Perry stuff on them, would love to!!

[jrnyman28]

Hey Cubby, that's not true. You and I watched the DVD from Konocti (I think it was) and it had the pre-Perry set.