San Bernadino - Wow

[froy]

You need to see some shows if you think current JRNY is that great

Yes, you do need to see this show. NOW. Then I might listen to anything you have to say.

Im not saying that it was not a great show
Neil is always on fire
But to say its the greatest show or in the top 5 shows you have seen tells me you have not been to many shows
or you are just flying high from the show and maybe abit to excited.,

[froy]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

[Lula]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

Okay Negative Nelly. Why the hell are you here? You're such a downer.

[Deb]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

That's ok, loose a few fans........gain a bunch of new ones.........it's all relative.

[Andrew]

Im not saying that it was not a great show
Neil is always on fire
But to say its the greatest show or in the top 5 shows you have seen tells me you have not been to many shows
or you are just flying high from the show and maybe abit to excited.,

Neither.

I have seen 200+ shows I guess (less than some of you UK and US folks as no one tours Australia and I have to travel to see the best shows...) and this was Top 5.

24 hours later - still no change of mind...extrordinary.

[Crazie Scarab]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

That's ok, loose a few fans........gain a bunch of new ones.........it's all relative.

Yep, that wheel's still a turnin'! Seems Journey's picking up way more fans again recently than they have been in a while.. So, froy bails.. No problem!

[Andrew]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

Wrong
Wrong
Wrong and
Er...WRONG!

But Froy, I'd expect nothing less from you or Monker. So I presume no one else will pay you any attention either.

I do hope you see a show this tour though.

[Granny]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

Wrong
Wrong
Wrong and
Er...WRONG!

But Froy, I'd expect nothing less from you or Monker. So I presume no one else will pay you any attention either.

I do hope you see a show this tour though.

Andrew--After reading between the lines, I sense that we are soon going to hear something spectacular! Here's hoping.

[Jeremey fan forever]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

I don't know which is more pathetic... A band playing well beyond its shelf life, or someone who hangs around said dead band's forums! Are you fucking queer? Lucky for us, Journey is not a dead band yet!

[stoliddrummer]

Journey is far from dead. From all the reviews ive read as of late, they are kicking DL's ass on this tour now. Too bad they wont switch the 2 sets as many others have stated in the past on this board. DL should be opening for Journey. They are rocking harder than ever right now!

[ddregs]

Andrew,
thanks for your great report and looks like you had the time of your life!
I'm even more looking forward to seeing Journey live here in Europe, don't you have any news about further dates and venues here in the old europe?
Thanks a lot

[yulog]

Cyndy and Lora were nothing but professional and at the same time, pretty funny and loose. I dug the shit out of them.

up down 1,2--look at my boobs 3,4


which one was LOOSE who doesnt love LOOSE woman



Damn it Deano your always hooking up with these HOT LOOSE woman uhm i mean meeting these very nice intelligent ladies----sorry Lula

[Matthew]

so because of where i work, i can't have an opinion & make a joke, but you can insult me?

A terrible "joke" if so.

I thought it was funny....but then again I'm always game for an Arrival joke...

You can have opinions, but Arrival's success was nothing to sneeze at... especially when compared to Journey's first three albums...

Yes - Arrival was less unsuccessful than the albums Journey recorded when they were a relatively unknown band.

Ever heard the expression 'damned by faint praise'?

you can't call yourself a Journey fan if you only selectively appreciate what each era produced.

AFI...are you saying that you can't be a fan if you use your critical judgement? Do we need to be in a state of blind worship about every album to 'qualify' as a Journey fan? Is NIG - for example - less of a Journey fan because he thinks ROR is a load of crap?

And aren't you 'selectively appreciating' at the moment? You're not at all excited about the start of the JSS era...

Then again, maybe you're not a Journey fan. Just another Perry diehard on the JSS bandwagon.

And you're an Augeri diehard who can't accept or support the new guy....just like Perry diehards couldn't accept or support the new guy in 1998.

The fact is...there are many passionate Journey fans who believe that Augeri wasn't the right choice. Surely it's unreasonable and hypocritical of you to call into question their 'loyalty' or commitment to the band - given that you yourself are criticizing the choice Journey made in the summer?

[odessa]

so because of where i work, i can't have an opinion & make a joke, but you can insult me?

A terrible "joke" if so. You can have opinions, but Arrival's success was nothing to sneeze at... especially when compared to Journey's first three albums... you can't call yourself a Journey fan if you only selectively appreciate what each era produced.

Then again, maybe you're not a Journey fan. Just another Perry diehard on the JSS bandwagon.

Alternatively, YOU cannot call yourself a Journey fan either, since *YOU* have noted, in “The Jeff Scott Soto "Telethon"...Please donate” thread that; ““I like Journey for what it was up until last year.” In addition you note (in the same thread) “but why should I put money in the band's pockets just because one out of five hasn't pissed me off?

So then, your support is conditional (and biased) purely based upon whether Steve Augeri is part of the band! You obviously don’t support the band now and are angry with the band- it comes out clearly in most of your posts. Now, you go after Cyndy for making a comment? Okay, now I know for sure...hypocrisy thy name is AFI!

Please remember when you make comments about how others should support the band, yet bitch/ moan/whine at every opportunity about Augeri’s termination, YOU make YOURSELF sound worse then the so called “Loon’s” you despise! You clearly have your choice**cough** (agenda)**cough** in regards to the direction that band is heading...without Augeri... and you are not happy. You make it clear with every post-it’s boring at best. Now, you want to dictate WHO is a fan and WHO isn’t, based on your skewered criteria- this is comical at best! Tell me, if Steve Augeri returned as lead singer tomorrow, would all be forgiven in your eyes? Would the band get your money and support then- regardless of what happened? Would all those who don’t support Augeri’s return be perceived as “non fans”?

From what I gather, Cyndy, was at the concert, therefore supports the band. *You* have questioned giving the band *your* money at this point in time and why. What does that say about true fan support? I really think it’s clear who the fan is in that instance and who is not.

In addition, I fail to understand the logic regarding Perry fans. I am a Perry fan. I make no apology for it! I am a JSS fan (with or without the band). Steve Augeri’s vocals did nothing for me I wish him well, but I am not a fan of his. It’s my personal preference. I make no apology for my feelings to you or anyone. Nor do I need to justify not liking a certain era, to you or anyone. Does it mean I an not a Journey fan? By your skewered logic (and reasoning) yes, it does.

Gregg Rollie was a member of Journey. There are some fans who are not interested in the band from that era. There are other fans who would not want Steve Perry to return to Journey. In addition, there will be fans who do not want Perry or Augeri to return because they like JSS. Does that make these individuals non Journey fans because they have an interest in a specific time period or they have a preference for a particular singer? By your flawed reasoning (and logic) they can only be fans if they like all the singers and never criticize the work produced! That is not the definition of a fan, that's a zombie!

Perhaps instead of hurling judgement onto others (regarding band support and what happened and how it was handled) your energies would be best directed towards positive pursuits, such as getting your own house in order and not venting (your spleen) at every Perry/JSS/Journey Supporters (who may have no interest in the Augeri era)! Mourn all you wish that Augeri is gone, but please, let the rest of us enjoy the band (as it is now) without being labeled non fans because we don't want to go on about the (unfortunate) past events. We want to enjoy what is currently before us.

[DerriD]

Funny, the people who think the continual positive reviews of Journey's live shows with JSS are propaganda B.S. are the ones who haven't even seen a show. Yet somehow the people who have actually been to a show are either riding an emotional high (brought on by what exactly...perhaps a great show?) or are part of the hype machine (which doesn't pay too well BTW). I saw the Charlotte show within the first week of Jeff taking over lead vocals and wrote a similar review to that of Andrew's. I was a big supporter of Augeri as Andrew was, so there's no agenda there. Everyone else has had wonderful things to say about the state of the band as it is. If you choose not to see them now, it's your loss. But don't discredit a good time had by those who do. And how exactly does them never having another hit record or never touring major venues again as a stand alone act diminish the quality of the shows this year anyway?

[NealIsGod]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

No there is no doubt that they will just keep on playing the same songs for the rest of there career
JRNY is a dead band
Just playing the greatest hits for the 10th time with there 5th singer,
The Wheel In The Sky has stopped turning

froy and Monker are just jealous as hell because they know there will never be this much excitement about Styx. That forum is so dead that they have nothing better to do than come here and try to dampen the enthusiasm. But it ain't workin'.

[donnaplease]

so because of where i work, i can't have an opinion & make a joke, but you can insult me?

A terrible "joke" if so. You can have opinions, but Arrival's success was nothing to sneeze at... especially when compared to Journey's first three albums... you can't call yourself a Journey fan if you only selectively appreciate what each era produced.

Then again, maybe you're not a Journey fan. Just another Perry diehard on the JSS bandwagon.

Alternatively, YOU cannot call yourself a Journey fan either, since *YOU* have noted, in “The Jeff Scott Soto "Telethon"...Please donate” thread that; ““I like Journey for what it was up until last year.” In addition you note (in the same thread) “but why should I put money in the band's pockets just because one out of five hasn't pissed me off?

So then, your support is conditional (and biased) purely based upon whether Steve Augeri is part of the band! You obviously don’t support the band now and are angry with the band- it comes out clearly in most of your posts. Now, you go after Cyndy for making a comment? Okay, now I know for sure...hypocrisy thy name is AFI!

Please remember when you make comments about how others should support the band, yet bitch/ moan/whine at every opportunity about Augeri’s termination, YOU make YOURSELF sound worse then the so called “Loon’s” you despise! You clearly have your choice**cough** (agenda)**cough** in regards to the direction that band is heading...without Augeri... and you are not happy. You make it clear with every post-it’s boring at best. Now, you want to dictate WHO is a fan and WHO isn’t, based on your skewered criteria- this is comical at best! Tell me, if Steve Augeri returned as lead singer tomorrow, would all be forgiven in your eyes? Would the band get your money and support then- regardless of what happened? Would all those who don’t support Augeri’s return be perceived as “non fans”?

From what I gather, Cyndy, was at the concert, therefore supports the band. *You* have questioned giving the band *your* money at this point in time and why. What does that say about true fan support? I really think it’s clear who the fan is in that instance and who is not.

In addition, I fail to understand the logic regarding Perry fans. I am a Perry fan. I make no apology for it! I am a JSS fan (with or without the band). Steve Augeri’s vocals did nothing for me I wish him well, but I am not a fan of his. It’s my personal preference. I make no apology for my feelings to you or anyone. Nor do I need to justify not liking a certain era, to you or anyone. Does it mean I an not a Journey fan? By your skewered logic (and reasoning) yes, it does.

Gregg Rollie was a member of Journey. There are some fans who are not interested in the band from that era. There are other fans who would not want Steve Perry to return to Journey. In addition, there will be fans who do not want Perry or Augeri to return because they like JSS. Does that make these individuals non Journey fans because they have an interest in a specific time period or they have a preference for a particular singer? By your flawed reasoning (and logic) they can only be fans if they like all the singers and never criticize the work produced! That is not the definition of a fan, that's a zombie!

Perhaps instead of hurling judgement onto others (regarding band support and what happened and how it was handled) your energies would be best directed towards positive pursuits, such as getting your own house in order and not venting (your spleen) at every Perry/JSS/Journey Supporters (who may have no interest in the Augeri era)! Mourn all you wish that Augeri is gone, but please, let the rest of us enjoy the band (as it is now) without being labeled non fans because we don't want to go on about the (unfortunate) past events. We want to enjoy what is currently before us.

Just like I said...hypocrite.

[Monker]

Propaganda? It's easy to sit here and bitch about EVERYTHING isn't it? You have that down to a science.

If all you want to do is bitch about the answer, why do you even ask the question?

I doubt Journey will ever have a 'hit' album again.

So do I. However, I have NEVER said they would either.

Then even YOU have doubts.

Unless you are named Bruce Springsteen or the Rolling Stones, touring by yourself is a thing of the past.

Like someone else posted...they did it last tour. My point is, I doubt they will be able to do that again in the future. And, it seems you have the same doubt.

I doubt Journey will ever equal the "success" of Arrival,

I'll take that bet. Arrival had success? Yeah, I'll take this bet, thank you.

I put 'success' in quotes cuz I know some would argue that it had none. I doubt Journey will sell 300,00 copies of any future album.

And, I didn't say "I bet"...I said,"I doubt".

let alone make some kinda huge comeback.

I'll take this bet too. Don't underestimate the power of a true frontman.

Don't over-estimate the popularitiy of nostalgia and its affect on album sales of 30yr old bands.

So you don't doubt Steve Augeri is gone? I need to hear you answer this.

Not really. But, I wouldn't be suprised if he came back. I wouldn't be suprised if JSS was out next year and they replaced him with somebody completely diferent. Such is the way of Journey nowadays.

[Monker]

I doubt Journey will ever equal the "success" of Arrival,

I'll take that bet. Arrival had success? Yeah, I'll take this bet, thank you.

arrival? what's that?

Arrival is Journey's most successful album post-Perry, and I doubt that is going to change any time soon.

[conversationpc]

Arrival is Journey's most successful album post-Perry, and I doubt that is going to change any time soon.

If you're talking solely here in the U.S.A. then you're probably right. However, with Soto on board, who is very popular in Europe and Japan, that may change their fortunes dramatically overseas.

[Eric]

Froy....you bring nothing to the table.

[froy]

froy and Monker are just jealous as hell because they know there will never be this much excitement about Styx.

Excitement ?
The same setlist going on 8 years and your excited?
Another singer and your excited?
Not me both JRNY and STYX are just collecting pay checks
Not mine but yours .

That forum is so dead that they have nothing better to do than come here and try to dampen the enthusiasm.

Wow things are really happening here.

[NealIsGod]

So, froy, if hits and original members are so important to you, maybe you need to stop following classic rock bands. There's an opening on the James Blunt message board.

[conversationpc]

So, froy, if hits and original members are so important to you, maybe you need to stop following classic rock bands. There's an opening on the James Blunt message board.

[Red13JoePa]

You need to see some shows if you think current JRNY is that great

Yes, you do need to see this show. NOW. Then I might listen to anything you have to say.

Neil is always on fire

indeedio, just like Tommie.

[NealIsGod]

Neil is always on fire

indeedio, just like Tommie.

[froy]

Neil is always on fire

indeedio, just like Tommie.

No arguements there

Only thing is Neal is not Journey and Tommy is not STYX .
Without the names there both in trouble.

[froy]

So, froy, if hits and original members are so important to you, maybe you need to stop following classic rock bands.

Its getting tough thats for sure.
As far as JRNY Im just listening to old recordings with Perry thats it
He was a great front man
If he does not return for me JRNY is done
If Dennis does not return to STYX there done.

Key members must be in the band or im staying home.





There's an opening on the James Blunt message board.

There are plenty of openings.

[Monker]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

Yes.

Name ONE iota of doubt, Monker. Just one. I'll wait.

First of all, all I have read is the same old propaganda BS that has always been said. It is exagerated out of proportion with a sense of fantasy and not based on reality.

And you would know because you were there right? LOL

No, I'm talking about all of the "they blow Def Leppard off the stage nightly" type of talk. That's just simply not true and is an exageration. Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less. I wouldn't expect you to be very critical of this band.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

After reading Andrew's reviews, is there really any doubt about the band's future now? Seriously?

Yes.

Name ONE iota of doubt, Monker. Just one. I'll wait.

First of all, all I have read is the same old propaganda BS that has always been said. It is exagerated out of proportion with a sense of fantasy and not based on reality.

And you would know because you were there right? LOL

No, I'm talking about all of the "they blow Def Leppard off the stage nightly" type of talk. That's just simply not true and is an exageration. Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less. I wouldn't expect you to be very critical of this band.

Why does someone have to be critical in order to have credibility?

Yes - Andrew's review is his opinion. It's a credible opinion.

Why can't you accept it for what it is?