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[DerriD]

No, I'm talking about all of the "they blow Def Leppard off the stage nightly" type of talk. That's just simply not true and is an exageration. Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less. I wouldn't expect you to be very critical of this band.

Where exactly did Andrew say they blew Def Leppad off the stage?

[Monker]

Besides it was obviously a joke.

I had just hoped a representative of Journey Force would have been above that kind of remark, but I was obviously wrong.

Oh, well.

i'm totally bombing with the jokes! you do know that the journey force hasn't been around in over a decade, right?

I wanted to take some time to think about this before I replied any further.

IMO,

For someone who was a driving "force" behind Journey fandom since the mid-70s, I would think you would understand the divisions among the fans and that some would consider that sarcasm not only not 'funny', but as a snipe towards Augeri and that era of Journey. As a 'representative' of the old Journey Force, I would think you would avoid propping up one division of the fans over another, which is what comments such as that do.

I don't think I have ever read a similar comment from Lora and I've been reading her comments since she was on Prodigy in the early 90's. Not that she is perfect, or you should model yourself after her, etc. But, I think that earns a bit more respect then a person who feels it is OK to post sarcastic remarks towards ANY era or member of Journey.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on this...not that I think they'll be taken seriously. I just wanted to post them

[Monker]

Why does someone have to be critical in order to have credibility?

Yes - Andrew's review is his opinion. It's a credible opinion.

Why can't you accept it for what it is?

I do accept it for what it is - an opiinon. It's not the gospel truth as others here seem to think it is.

[SF-Dano]

Just a few thoughts here.

IMO Augeri had no choice other than to try and sound like Perry. That was why he was chosen, wasn't it? Maybe if he had a little more freedom he could have moved more towards his own style, I don't believe he had that chance. Look back at "Kiss Me Softly", when that tune came out I think Neal said it was a good example of SA' style and that he wanted to do more stuff in that style. It never happened.

JSS does invoke quite a few "Perryisms" also.

JSS does have a more powerful voice than Augeri. Better voice is an opinion

JSS does put a lot more energy into his performance that Augerie did.

IMO, JSS's energy gives him a better connection with younger fans. I think Augeri catered more to the older more mellow fans and the older gals in the audience. Don't flame me, just an opinion/observation.

Last years Journey 30th anniversary show sold out many large capacity amphitheatres and IMO they could pull off an Evening with Journey tour again.

A joke like that about Arrival does give an insight into the person's personsal preference and/or bias.

Here are my Top 5 concerts of all time

YES Magnification 2003
Paul McCartney Las Vegas 1995
Journey 1980 Departure
Neil Diamond San Diego 1991
The Who 1989

If Neal Diamond is in your Top 5 concerts of all time, well I definately have to question your judgement. I mean, I like some Neil Diamond tunes and all, but top 5, no way. Also, I saw The Who in 89 and yes it was a great show. I saw them again a few years later, and the set list was pretty damn close to the same thing. Maybe two or three different tunes mixed in from the previous show. How many times have you seen Yes, I havn't seen them but I would guess that they would be playing pretty similar set lists tour to tour.

[Andrew]

No, I'm talking about all of the "they blow Def Leppard off the stage nightly" type of talk. That's just simply not true and is an exageration. Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less. I wouldn't expect you to be very critical of this band.

Actually - that bit is the least exaggerated part of my comments. They really are and Leppard are feeling the heat. They have added extra lighing, just added pyro...and got totally pissed at Journey when they went 4 mins overtime at the Bowl (due to Journey having to attempt to dry the stage).

I haven't yet reported this, but then you have the comments by those in the audience that have an unbias opinion - I talked to Doug Aldrich, Dennis Dries (White Sister) and overheard Warren DeMartini - all said - wow Journey blew Leppard off stage. Not my words....theirs.

I called Jack Blades before I came over - his forst words - I hear Journey are blowing Leppard off stage every night.

And go research the newspaper reviews....the focus is on Journey on the majority.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Why does someone have to be critical in order to have credibility?

Yes - Andrew's review is his opinion. It's a credible opinion.

Why can't you accept it for what it is?

I do accept it for what it is - an opiinon. It's not the gospel truth as others here seem to think it is.

Baloney. You're imposing on it to be critical.

[Andrew]

I do accept it for what it is - an opiinon. It's not the gospel truth as others here seem to think it is.

Monker, ease up old man....jeez....

[Andrew]

Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less.

Er, yes, that is right...why point out the obvious? Insecure with the excitement this band is causing?

[Tom Jrnyfn]

As I've stated before, I have no bias towards anyone or anything..The Fresno show was the best I've seen since ROR 87..Hands down..IMO, Jeff is putting his own sound or spin to the Journey classics and It's working..To me It's the same as Paul with Queen..Tell me that doesn't work? I talked to a friend this morning who manages a few radio stations in the area, the buzz after the show was that Journey put on a much better show..Period!

[Andrew]

If Neal Diamond is in your Top 5 concerts of all time, well I definately have to question your judgement.

Davil's Advocate here - I have seen Neil 3 times live...he puts on a phenomenal show....amazing!

[NealIsGod]

Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less.

Er, yes, that is right...why point out the obvious? Insecure with the excitement this band is causing?

Bullseye.

[Red13JoePa]

Besides it was obviously a joke.

I had just hoped a representative of Journey Force would have been above that kind of remark, but I was obviously wrong.

Oh, well.

i'm totally bombing with the jokes! you do know that the journey force hasn't been around in over a decade, right?

I wanted to take some time to think about this before I replied any further.

IMO,

For someone who was a driving "force" behind Journey fandom since the mid-70s, I would think you would understand the divisions among the fans and that some would consider that sarcasm not only not 'funny', but as a snipe towards Augeri and that era of Journey. As a 'representative' of the old Journey Force, I would think you would avoid propping up one division of the fans over another, which is what comments such as that do.

I don't think I have ever read a similar comment from Lora and I've been reading her comments since she was on Prodigy in the early 90's. Not that she is perfect, or you should model yourself after her, etc. But, I think that earns a bit more respect then a person who feels it is OK to post sarcastic remarks towards ANY era or member of Journey.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on this...not that I think they'll be taken seriously. I just wanted to post them

Wait.

Are we reffering to a post that said "What's Arrival?"

[EclipticJourney]

Excellent review, Andrew. Unfortunately I was unable to attend any of the local shows this year. Too busy on the homefront. Next year, no matter who's fronting the band...if they're in town, I'm there.

[cyndy!]

Besides it was obviously a joke.

I had just hoped a representative of Journey Force would have been above that kind of remark, but I was obviously wrong.

Oh, well.

i'm totally bombing with the jokes! you do know that the journey force hasn't been around in over a decade, right?

I wanted to take some time to think about this before I replied any further.

IMO,

For someone who was a driving "force" behind Journey fandom since the mid-70s, I would think you would understand the divisions among the fans and that some would consider that sarcasm not only not 'funny', but as a snipe towards Augeri and that era of Journey. As a 'representative' of the old Journey Force, I would think you would avoid propping up one division of the fans over another, which is what comments such as that do.

I don't think I have ever read a similar comment from Lora and I've been reading her comments since she was on Prodigy in the early 90's. Not that she is perfect, or you should model yourself after her, etc. But, I think that earns a bit more respect then a person who feels it is OK to post sarcastic remarks towards ANY era or member of Journey.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on this...not that I think they'll be taken seriously. I just wanted to post them

you're reading way too much into this. i didn't bag on augeri or any era of journey. i made a bad joke in response to your comment about the "success" of arrival. you made it sound (at least to me) that it was a big hit album, which i don't feel it was. i wasn't putting the music, the era or the singer down. my sense of humor is a little different than lora's. i see i'll have to tone it down for some of you.

[NealIsGod]

you're reading way too much into this. i didn't bag on augeri or any era of journey. i made a bad joke in response to your comment about the "success" of arrival. you made it sound (at least to me) that it was a big hit album, which i don't feel it was. i wasn't putting the music, the era or the singer down. my sense of humor is a little different than lora's. i see i'll have to tone it down for some of you.

Nah, don't change a thing, esp. not because of Monker.

[Red13JoePa]

I'm still trying to figure out what she's under censure for. I'm thinking it's gotta be more than "what's Arrival."


hell, I'm a wiggler, too.

[A Fire Inside]

Alternatively, YOU cannot call yourself a Journey fan either, since *YOU* have noted, in “The Jeff Scott Soto "Telethon"...Please donate” thread that; ““I like Journey for what it was up until last year.” In addition you note (in the same thread) “but why should I put money in the band's pockets just because one out of five hasn't pissed me off?

Not at all. I never said you have to LIKE everything to be a Journey fan. Just appreciate, respect it. I respect the fact that JSS jumped in to replace Augeri and "save" the Journey/DL tour. I don't like the way they handled it, but I accept that it happened. If and when this lineup puts out new music, I'm sure I'll appreciate it for what it is to Journey history too.

Tell me, if Steve Augeri returned as lead singer tomorrow, would all be forgiven in your eyes? Would the band get your money and support then- regardless of what happened?

Absolutely not!! I have said in other threads that the entire band has put me off. The only real reason I cut Augeri some slack is because the rest of the band is getting away with it while he sits at home with a gag order and all the shame of Tapegate. Which, need I say again, THEY ALL PARTICIPATED IN.

From what I gather, Cyndy, was at the concert, therefore supports the band. *You* have questioned giving the band *your* money at this point in time and why. What does that say about true fan support? I really think it’s clear who the fan is in that instance and who is not.

I saw them three times this tour. Don't tell me I didn't go to a show. Are you saying that true fans keep buying tickets no matter what?

In addition, I fail to understand the logic regarding Perry fans. I am a Perry fan. I make no apology for it! I am a JSS fan (with or without the band). Steve Augeri’s vocals did nothing for me I wish him well, but I am not a fan of his.

Then it's not you I'm talking about. You're not Steve Perry's personal interviewer. You're not a rep of the band. You weren't a special guest backstage at a CURRENT show. A show which may well have never taken place had Arrival not existed and Steve Augeri never been part of Journey.

[A Fire Inside]

Funny, the people who think the continual positive reviews of Journey's live shows with JSS are propaganda B.S. are the ones who haven't even seen a show. Yet somehow the people who have actually been to a show are either riding an emotional high (brought on by what exactly...perhaps a great show?) or are part of the hype machine (which doesn't pay too well BTW).

Wrong. Saw them three times during the second leg. Monker saw them in Ames. Both of us seem to be unimpressed.

[conversationpc]

Funny, the people who think the continual positive reviews of Journey's live shows with JSS are propaganda B.S. are the ones who haven't even seen a show. Yet somehow the people who have actually been to a show are either riding an emotional high (brought on by what exactly...perhaps a great show?) or are part of the hype machine (which doesn't pay too well BTW).

Wrong. Saw them three times during the second leg. Monker saw them in Ames. Both of us seem to be unimpressed.

I was completely unimpressed by the boots I heard before I saw the show here in Indy. After seeing the show, I became a big supporter of this lineup. Had nothing to do with an "emtional high" or trying to hype anything. It has everything to do with digging the way the band is currently performing with JSS.

[A Fire Inside]

I'm still trying to figure out what she's under censure for. I'm thinking it's gotta be more than "what's Arrival."

Monker said it pretty well:

For someone who was a driving "force" behind Journey fandom since the mid-70s, I would think you would understand the divisions among the fans and that some would consider that sarcasm not only not 'funny', but as a snipe towards Augeri and that era of Journey. As a 'representative' of the old Journey Force, I would think you would avoid propping up one division of the fans over another, which is what comments such as that do.

Silly me for hoping that someone who used to represent the band would be above making snarky remarks about a post-Perry album. I picked on her because of who she is.

[styxman]

If Neal Diamond is in your Top 5 concerts of all time, well I definately have to question your judgement.

Davil's Advocate here - I have seen Neil 3 times live...he puts on a phenomenal show....amazing!

Didn't see this, I've seen him 6 times, sorry to cut in here guys! Drew did you see the 80's laser diamond etching above the stage, this guy performs without a break and owns the stage from start to finish, pure class. Why haven't Journey give him a run out

[SF-Dano]

Davil's Advocate here - I have seen Neil 3 times live...he puts on a phenomenal show....amazing!

I know we all have are personal preferences, but is Neal Diamond really in your top 5 or even 10 concerts of all time. As I said, I do like some of his songs, but this is hard to believe Andrew.

[Monker]

Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less.

Er, yes, that is right...why point out the obvious? Insecure with the excitement this band is causing?

Well, since you asked...

I'm pointing it out cuz Dean used it to back up his opinion and seems to attempt to present it as fact. It's NOT, it's all opiinon.

Even if the industry was buzzing about Journey in the way that you guys put off, even if they were on the cover of every music magazine, on MTV, VH1, VH1 Classic, MuchMusic, all over the radio with some 'new' song - WHY would I be insecure about it?

[Monker]

you're reading way too much into this. i didn't bag on augeri or any era of journey. i made a bad joke in response to your comment about the "success" of arrival. you made it sound (at least to me) that it was a big hit album, which i don't feel it was. i wasn't putting the music, the era or the singer down. my sense of humor is a little different than lora's. i see i'll have to tone it down for some of you.

NO, I wasn't trying to say that Arrival was a bit hit album. I have made that statement several times here, which I know you probably didn't read, that I don't believe anything Journey releases will sell well, or chart, or get much attention at all - no matter who is singing. That's just how I view the industry at this point. It would be like some band from the 50's having a big hit song and album and making some kinda comeback in the 80's. You may be able to pull some name out of the air, but it's very rare that it happens.

As for the Arrival comment - I'll just drop it. I just wanted to say how it could be viewed. There have been way too many similar comments like that by fans and it's easy to take it the wrong way.

[froy]

If Neal Diamond is in your Top 5 concerts of all time, well I definately have to question your judgement.

Davil's Advocate here - I have seen Neil 3 times live...he puts on a phenomenal show....amazing!

Yes he sure does the guy its the BEST solo performer
Elton comes second ,

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Youre review is your opinion...nothing more, nothing less.

Er, yes, that is right...why point out the obvious? Insecure with the excitement this band is causing?

Well, since you asked...

I'm pointing it out cuz Dean used it to back up his opinion and seems to attempt to present it as fact. It's NOT, it's all opiinon.

Even if the industry was buzzing about Journey in the way that you guys put off, even if they were on the cover of every music magazine, on MTV, VH1, VH1 Classic, MuchMusic, all over the radio with some 'new' song - WHY would I be insecure about it?

Are you kidding?

It would be because you've written off JOURNEY's future entirely. Any reality to the contrary would slowly melt you into a murky puddle of weeping insecurity.

[froy]

Davil's Advocate here - I have seen Neil 3 times live...he puts on a phenomenal show....amazing!

I know we all have are personal preferences, but is Neal Diamond really in your top 5 or even 10 concerts of all time. As I said, I do like some of his songs, but this is hard to believe Andrew.

I grew up on Neil Diamond
My mom cleaned the house to Hot August Night
Holly Holy is a unbeliveable live tune
The San Diego 91 show the crowd was going balistic during that tune.
I can also add U2 Chicago early 90s as one of my best shows
I have been to about 300 shows and can add many to the list
ELO 78
Fogerty 2002
Kansas with the orchestra
The 21st Century Doors
The Musical Box
Genesis

The list can go forever.
I love concerts

[Monker]

Funny, the people who think the continual positive reviews of Journey's live shows with JSS are propaganda B.S. are the ones who haven't even seen a show. Yet somehow the people who have actually been to a show are either riding an emotional high (brought on by what exactly...perhaps a great show?) or are part of the hype machine (which doesn't pay too well BTW).

Wrong. Saw them three times during the second leg. Monker saw them in Ames. Both of us seem to be unimpressed.

I just want to clarify this...

I wouldn't say "unimpressed". I'm just not so impressed that I would call it one of the top 5 concerts I have ever seen, that JSS is the next best vocalist since Perry, that Journey blows DL off the stage nightly, and all of that other overly-hyped BS.

Journey was good...But, not any better or worse then the times I saw them with Augeri. JSS doesn't "imitate" Perry as a Hugo would...but, IMO, he does less to differentiate himself from Perry then Augeri did. I think the seemed like a band still trying to find themselves and a relationship with their audience. They seemed to plow through their set and it just seemed so convoluted and misguided. I think they put forth a lot of effort but their set needed work, their crowd interaction needs work. They need to get to know their audience again and allow their audience to get to know them...if that makes sense.

And, they definitely did NOT 'blow away" Def Leppard.

It wasn't 'unimpressive'...but it did NOT live up to the hype on this forum.

[Monker]

Are you kidding?

It would be because you've written off JOURNEY's future entirely. Any reality to the contrary would slowly melt you into a murky puddle of weeping insecurity.

Whatever.

I once went all over the forums, newsgroups, and the AOL's of the online world propping up a Chalfant led Journey, since that was what I felt would happen.

Ask TNC about what I said about the GH DVD.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. So what? It doesn't mean THAT much to me.

[A Fire Inside]

I wouldn't say "unimpressed". I'm just not so impressed that I would call it one of the top 5 concerts I have ever seen, that JSS is the next best vocalist since Perry, that Journey blows DL off the stage nightly, and all of that other overly-hyped BS.

Journey was good...But, not any better or worse then the times I saw them with Augeri. JSS doesn't "imitate" Perry as a Hugo would...but, IMO, he does less to differentiate himself from Perry then Augeri did. I think the seemed like a band still trying to find themselves and a relationship with their audience. They seemed to plow through their set and it just seemed so convoluted and misguided. I think they put forth a lot of effort but their set needed work, their crowd interaction needs work. They need to get to know their audience again and allow their audience to get to know them...if that makes sense.

And, they definitely did NOT 'blow away" Def Leppard.

It wasn't 'unimpressive'...but it did NOT live up to the hype on this forum.

Okay, I used the wrong word - but I feel the same anyway. They were okay, but not hardly what this forum makes them out to be.