Steve Perry

[lights1961]

One BIG Question.

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

Is it me or am I the only one who remembers reading post after post of this. I damn near drove to Houston to see 'the most awesome Journey show ever'.

Shit did Steve Perry ever exist??? This show is it man.... Just toooooooo tooooo awesome to miss.


Now I am reading the same exact thing about a Journey with a different front man that is playing only a 90 minute set while supporting closing act Def Leppard.

What gives???????????????????????????????

it is what it is.. each tour has been unique in where it goes.. what the band plays etc.. so the vacations over tour of 99 was the best tour since 1986... .. then arrival tour was awesome... then under the radar tour of 2002 was the best.. then the main event of 2003 was the best... then 2004 was the best.. then 2005 I did not see...and this year 2006... ranks right along with them all as beeing the best... see each time we SEE JOURNEY PLAY they are better than ever.... thats what gives...

[froy]

One BIG Question.

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

Is it me or am I the only one who remembers reading post after post of this. I damn near drove to Houston to see 'the most awesome Journey show ever'.

Shit did Steve Perry ever exist??? This show is it man.... Just toooooooo tooooo awesome to miss.

Now I am reading the same exact thing about a Journey with a different front man that is playing only a 90 minute set while supporting closing act Def Leppard.

What gives???????????????????????????????

My point exactly Yogi
Its proof to me when people say Larry Gowan is better than Dennis DeYoung that people have no clue about music
Anyone can sing JRNY songs and it would be the greatest thing they ever saw
Bathwater drinkers followers whatever way you want to say it.
I will admit when I saw Augeri on the first tour I thought it was great
But this band cannot stop they burned the guy out just like they did Perry
Is Jeff going to be burned also if so who is next in line ?

To me JRNY is just taking there 75 thousand per show and not stopping
The money wins here and the fans lose,

[lights1961]

One BIG Question.

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

Is it me or am I the only one who remembers reading post after post of this. I damn near drove to Houston to see 'the most awesome Journey show ever'.

Shit did Steve Perry ever exist??? This show is it man.... Just toooooooo tooooo awesome to miss.

Now I am reading the same exact thing about a Journey with a different front man that is playing only a 90 minute set while supporting closing act Def Leppard.

What gives???????????????????????????????

My point exactly Yogi
Its proof to me when people say Larry Gowan is better than Dennis DeYoung that people have no clue about music
Anyone can sing JRNY songs and it would be the greatest thing they ever saw
Bathwater drinkers followers whatever way you want to say it.
I will admit when I saw Augeri on the first tour I thought it was great
But this band cannot stop they burned the guy out just like they did Perry
Is Jeff going to be burned also if so who is next in line ?

To me JRNY is just taking there 75 thousand per show and not stopping
The money wins here and the fans lose,

but they play music for a LIVING... I think your a little pissed about the wrong reasons... Journey making money off their songs---isnt it that what its supposed to be about....making money, playing the music, etc...

Froy what do you do for a living...and when I find out can I say that someone else did it better before you and your just making money off that guy...what an ass..

Rick

[Matthew]

One BIG Question.

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

Is it me or am I the only one who remembers reading post after post of this. I damn near drove to Houston to see 'the most awesome Journey show ever'.

Shit did Steve Perry ever exist??? This show is it man.... Just toooooooo tooooo awesome to miss.

Now I am reading the same exact thing about a Journey with a different front man that is playing only a 90 minute set while supporting closing act Def Leppard.

What gives???????????????????????????????

My point exactly Yogi
Its proof to me when people say Larry Gowan is better than Dennis DeYoung that people have no clue about music
Anyone can sing JRNY songs and it would be the greatest thing they ever saw
Bathwater drinkers followers whatever way you want to say it.
I will admit when I saw Augeri on the first tour I thought it was great
But this band cannot stop they burned the guy out just like they did Perry
Is Jeff going to be burned also if so who is next in line ?

To me JRNY is just taking there 75 thousand per show and not stopping
The money wins here and the fans lose,

Sure - some fans will rave about each new era of the band regardless of the actual quality.

But you both forget one key difference this time. A significant contingent of Journey die-hards DETESTED the entire Augeri era of th band...and are now slowly coming on board again with JSS.

The die-hard fan base was split...and for the first time in eight years a consensus is starting to take shape.

Froy - I'm essentially with you - Journey can never recover from the loss of Perry - but equally I am looking forward to seeing them next year with JSS. And no I wasn't one of those fans who was excited by a concert with Augeri...it was a thoroughly depressing experience when I saw Journey earlier this year.

[A Fire Inside]

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

I still think that was one of the best tours they have ever done. Why? Because of what they played. For the Augeri haters, remember Augeri was only out there for half the show, and didn't you all at least enjoy the songs he WASN'T on? Deen kicked ass on early Perry tunes, Neal and Ross slammed Kansas for stealing the riff of I'm Gonna Leave You, and Augeri sat in the back playing guitar. For me the knowledge of tapes NOW doesn't detract from the good times I had THEN...

BTW I also agree with ohsherrie when she says it's all about milking the cash cow...

[lights1961]

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

I still think that was one of the best tours they have ever done. Why? Because of what they played. For the Augeri haters, remember Augeri was only out there for half the show, and didn't you all at least enjoy the songs he WASN'T on? Deen kicked ass on early Perry tunes, Neal and Ross slammed Kansas for stealing the riff of I'm Gonna Leave You, and Augeri sat in the back playing guitar. For me the knowledge of tapes NOW doesn't detract from the good times I had THEN...

BTW I also agree with ohsherrie when she says it's all about milking the cash cow...

I disagree with it all... If you play music for a LIVING... they play the music they created... whats so damn wrong about that!! perry did not creat those by himself...Journey the team created the hits and the music together.... so as a team they have a right to play it for MONEY!!! DUH....what are they going to do otherwise... work in retail??? most have been playing music for 30 years + what else do they know.. I have been in travel for 25 years.. I know I wont switch careers and play music...
THIS thing called JOURNEY SHOULD BE A MONEY MAKER...its what capitalist is about... idots..

[NealIsGod]

To me JRNY is just taking there 75 thousand per show and not stopping
The money wins here and the fans lose,

How do the fans lose if they get to enjoy concerts and new music with a great singer? Perry ain't coming back, so the other option is quitting because one person did. Fuck that.

[yogi]

I wish I had driven to Houston to see this show.

I loved the show they did with Foreigner back in 1998. If my eyes would of been closed when Steve A. belted out the first few lines of Seperate Ways I would of sworn that Steve P. was up on stage singing.


Still with that being said for people to chime in and say this is the greatest ever.. better than..... they have no clue. Espically when they are comparing a 90 minute greatest hits warm up band set to a 2.5 hour support the new album( which ends up being a classic album) set.

It just sounds like we have got alot of fans here that are excellent at hype. Its either hype, wishful thinking or forgetfullness.

[A Fire Inside]

I disagree with it all... If you play music for a LIVING... they play the music they created... whats so damn wrong about that!! perry did not creat those by himself...Journey the team created the hits and the music together.... so as a team they have a right to play it for MONEY!!! DUH....what are they going to do otherwise... work in retail??? most have been playing music for 30 years + what else do they know.. I have been in travel for 25 years.. I know I wont switch careers and play music...
THIS thing called JOURNEY SHOULD BE A MONEY MAKER...its what capitalist is about... idots..

The problem is not that they are simply making money, but that they are making money rehashing old songs when it SHOULD be a process of give-and-take of old and new music. They should be phasing out old songs by playing new songs to audiences; they have instead been lazy and regressed to ye olde standby for making $: Greatest Hits. It DOES look like they are "milking the legacy" by strictly playing hits made between 1978 and 1986. Unfortunately they give up on their new music too easily, and now they are stuck playing LTS all the time. Maybe with Jeff that will change.

[ohsherrie]

One BIG Question.

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

Is it me or am I the only one who remembers reading post after post of this. I damn near drove to Houston to see 'the most awesome Journey show ever'.

Shit did Steve Perry ever exist??? This show is it man.... Just toooooooo tooooo awesome to miss.

Now I am reading the same exact thing about a Journey with a different front man that is playing only a 90 minute set while supporting closing act Def Leppard.

What gives???????????????????????????????

WOW, you're getting quoted alot, . I'll just add my 2 cents too I guess.

I understand what you're saying and wondered the same thing all during the last 8 years. The venues they played and the quality of the Augeri clips and boots were telling me that they weren't getting better or playing bigger shows but I kept reading these rave reviews and claims that they were on their way back up. I just chalked it up to the enthusiasm and wishful thinking of the die hard fans.

I think there are several things that make this different though. First they've truly got a world class kick ass frontman now. Secondly, according to what Andrew's heard, they appear to be generating some respect again within the industry and that can only be a positive. Then there's what Matthew said. Their fanbase is uniting more than it has in 8 years.

[Red13JoePa]

Espically when they are comparing a 90 minute greatest hits warm up band set to a 2.5 hour support the new album( which ends up being a classic album) set.

The Houston ESC4P3 DVD and cds are 75 minutes, and 90 mins was about the max during that classic era.
They did not put on Springsteen marathons then.

[froy]

To me JRNY is just taking there 75 thousand per show and not stopping
The money wins here and the fans lose,

How do the fans lose if they get to enjoy concerts and new music with a great singer?

What new music ?
Augeri was a great singer he had new music and where is he today?

Perry ain't coming back, so the other option is quitting because one person did. Fuck that.

We are beyond the Perry quitting issue
We are now on to Augeri quitting
Next it will be Jeff quitting then Higo quitting then Gowan will sing for JRNY
When does it end ?

[Granny]

To me JRNY is just taking there 75 thousand per show and not stopping
The money wins here and the fans lose,

How do the fans lose if they get to enjoy concerts and new music with a great singer?

What new music ?
Augeri was a great singer he had new music and where is he today?

Perry ain't coming back, so the other option is quitting because one person did. Fuck that.

We are beyond the Perry quitting issue
We are now on to Augeri quitting
Next it will be Jeff quitting then Higo quitting then Gowan will sing for JRNY
When does it end ?

It ends when we are dead or no longer want to listen to their music. I for one, will listen til I am dead. I've been listening for 30 years and will continue to do so with whatever frontman they choose to use. I love the classics and would definitely enjoy some new tunes, but the clasics are the classics and I still want to hear them live. Maybe in a long medley with some full length songs too! Rock on!

[fred_journeyman]

I said EARLY signs of a revival. ...This doesn't - of course - represent a completed revival in any way. We'll have to wait until the new album and the headlining tours next year to see if the promise shown at the moment has any real substance to it.

As far as I see it, Journey has an EXTREMELY SHORT amount of time to either "sh*t or get off the pot." It is now or never for these guys. If they want to continue going through lead singers by staying in the past and selling tickets to people who are only interested in Classic Journey, that's fine. If they want - instead - to take a huge risk and use JSS to his fullest potential by producing NEW music AND playing it in concert, then that's BETTER.

If Journey waits too long to produce new music and introduce it live, then they will have - by default - made the decision to continue as Classic Journey...without the classic voice.

[yogi]

Their Escape show was over 2 hours( saw it twice) and their Raised On Radio show( saw it once) was right at 2.5 hours.

[NealIsGod]

To me JRNY is just taking there 75 thousand per show and not stopping
The money wins here and the fans lose,

How do the fans lose if they get to enjoy concerts and new music with a great singer?

What new music ?
Augeri was a great singer he had new music and where is he today?

Perry ain't coming back, so the other option is quitting because one person did. Fuck that.

We are beyond the Perry quitting issue
We are now on to Augeri quitting
Next it will be Jeff quitting then Higo quitting then Gowan will sing for JRNY
When does it end ?

When Neal says it does.

[fred_journeyman]

dead horse thingy is needed...

Why, because YOU don't want to discuss it and you think everyone else should NOT discuss it as well?

When you're at a party and the group you're hanging out with is discussing something that bores you, do you force them to change their conversation, or do you just mosey on over to another "thread"? (That's rhetorical.)

[peacemom]

First of all if you think this is funny than you have a serious mental issue
And second of all my mom died 3 years ago
So I would really appreciate you trying not to be funny .[/quote]


I was not trying to be funny, and I take my meds daily

purple mary

[Matthew]

I said EARLY signs of a revival. ...This doesn't - of course - represent a completed revival in any way. We'll have to wait until the new album and the headlining tours next year to see if the promise shown at the moment has any real substance to it.

As far as I see it, Journey has an EXTREMELY SHORT amount of time to either "sh*t or get off the pot." It is now or never for these guys. If they want to continue going through lead singers by staying in the past and selling tickets to people who are only interested in Classic Journey, that's fine. If they want - instead - to take a huge risk and use JSS to his fullest potential by producing NEW music AND playing it in concert, then that's BETTER.

If Journey waits too long to produce new music and introduce it live, then they will have - by default - made the decision to continue as Classic Journey...without the classic voice.

Yes, I agree Fred....

[Eric]

Their Escape show was over 2 hours( saw it twice) and their Raised On Radio show( saw it once) was right at 2.5 hours.

How come the ROR boots are always short?

[Eric]

One BIG Question.

A few short months ago almost all of you die hards who post here and saw Journey's 3 hour plus show which was led by Steve A. said that it was the 'GREATEST rock show on earth'. As good as ANYTHING that Journey had ever done with Steve P. They went to the past , played some of the hits,some of the real rockers went to the future with the 'GREAT' Generations CD, which was also said to be the GREATEST Journey album since Escape bla bla bblaaaaaaaa..........................................

Is it me or am I the only one who remembers reading post after post of this. I damn near drove to Houston to see 'the most awesome Journey show ever'.

Shit did Steve Perry ever exist??? This show is it man.... Just toooooooo tooooo awesome to miss.

Now I am reading the same exact thing about a Journey with a different front man that is playing only a 90 minute set while supporting closing act Def Leppard.

What gives???????????????????????????????

Last year's tour was a great concept...3+ hours of JUST Journey. Plus, we were hearing a lot of new material and the Pre-Perry stuff for the first time (most of us).

This year's show is just way more amped up. The energy level is incredible and JSS makes the songs all new again.

Is it just ANY new singer or is it JSS? I think its JSS. I think Journey fans got lucky.

[brywool]

It 's nothing personal
Its a JRNY fan for 30 years who has now lost both STYX and JRNY to greed
It really stinks
Remember less is more.

Styx's last original album (Cyclorama) was better than anything they'd done since Paradise Theatre. I like the new lineup. I like it better with Burtnik. Deyoung was just too... your dad. On the Duets show, I thought he was kind of embarrassing and I like his voice, but he just doesn't fit in a rock band. Styx's shows rock more than they ever have.
Having said that, I was dissapointed with the covers album (WHY???) there there are a few good songs on it... all Gowan's.
They need to quit doing live albums and release NEW music.

[Marc S]

Froy really is an A grade, five-knuckle shuffling 24 carat gold wanker of the highest order.

Take life as it is, go forwards not backwards (unless you are George Bush), enjoy what is there to see. Everything is organic, it changes and develops. You may not like it, in which case you have the human right to not indulge in it.

So please, for the sake of Jeff and where Journey are NOW, not last year or in 1981, please just FUCK OFF AND DIE.

[yogi]

No clue why the boots are shorter. Maybe the 80 minute CD max has something to do with it.

Maybe they cut the drum or guitar solo's some. Maybe they cut the crowd out before they jump into the next song. Maybe they cut a song off the set altogether. I know they cut the time between the last songs & the encores.

The facts are I have seen Journey with Steve P. ( 3 times ), Perry solo once. Journey with Steve A. twice.

I enjoyed every show. Some were better than others though.

[Deb]

I said EARLY signs of a revival. ...This doesn't - of course - represent a completed revival in any way. We'll have to wait until the new album and the headlining tours next year to see if the promise shown at the moment has any real substance to it.

As far as I see it, Journey has an EXTREMELY SHORT amount of time to either "sh*t or get off the pot." It is now or never for these guys. If they want to continue going through lead singers by staying in the past and selling tickets to people who are only interested in Classic Journey, that's fine. If they want - instead - to take a huge risk and use JSS to his fullest potential by producing NEW music AND playing it in concert, then that's BETTER.

If Journey waits too long to produce new music and introduce it live, then they will have - by default - made the decision to continue as Classic Journey...without the classic voice.

Very true, Fred.

[Red13JoePa]

Their Escape show was over 2 hours( saw it twice) and their Raised On Radio show( saw it once) was right at 2.5 hours.

How come the ROR boots are always short?

Because the shows were that short. It's revisionist history that they were playing 2 1/2 hr marathons then w/ perry at the helm.

[yulog]

Got to keep up with "here today gone tomorrow" funny thing about human behavior its runs in cycles----getting rid of Perry was the hardest thing for Schon and Cain, getting rid of Augeri----not so bad, wait til its JSS turn they wont even blink an eye

[yogi]

Although I was never checking my watch I know that you are wrong.

This might be a GREAT question to ask one of the band members.

Maybe JSS could find out for us and post it here.


How about a little bet. Over/Under on both the Escape & Raised On Radio Shows.


The over/ Under is 125 minutes.

I will take over on both shows.

This is from the time they take the stage until they have taken their last bow.

P.S. PM me and we can wager.

JSS, Neal, Jon, Andrew or someone else in the loop can settle this. I will accept their answer.

[fred_journeyman]

Froy really is an A grade, five-knuckle shuffling 24 carat gold wanker of the highest order.

Take life as it is, go forwards not backwards (unless you are George Bush), enjoy what is there to see. Everything is organic, it changes and develops. You may not like it, in which case you have the human right to not indulge in it.

So please, for the sake of Jeff and where Journey are NOW, not last year or in 1981, please just FUCK OFF AND DIE.

Oh what an intelligent reply...uh sure.

Okay, let's use YOUR logic (what there is of it) and refute what you just said about Froy and see if it boomerangs back on you, all righty? Great...let's begin.

1) Okay, you used the phrase "go forwards not backwards" which would IMPLY that Journey is moving forwards. Except for the fact that they have a NEW lead singer, they are NOT moving forwards. They are moving LATERALLY (that means side-to-side).

2) You also said "everything is organic, it changes and develops." Wonderful. I don't see that happening with Journey. I see a group of EXTREMELY talented musicians/singers STAGNATING, not developing.

3) You state "...for the sake of Jeff and where Journey are NOW, not last year..." Okay...uh...excuse me, but there's a problem...except for the fact that they have a new lead singer who is ACTUALLY singing, they are in virtually the SAME place NOW as they were LAST YEAR.

How does ANY of the above constitute MOVING ON? I could resort to trash-talk and expletives like you did, but I'm afraid if I did that, I would A) sink to your level and B) confuse you as to the point of my post. Besides, nothing beats reading something like you posted and allowing the stupidity of it to speak for itself.

Here's what SOME folks on this board do NOT at all get (or their blinders are on WAY too tight):

There are a bunch of us who CARE about Journey. We care about what Journey is BECOMING and in our estimation, that is not a good thing.

Journey has the abso-f*ckin-lute capacity to be GREAT with NEW music and NEW music IN concert, but they continually show us that they ONLY know how to play the CLASSIC tunes. Journey is NOT moving on. They have NOT moved on and it's doubtful that they WILL move on. Do you get it? This is not a bunch of crybabies who necessarily want Steve Perry to come back to the fold. While some might, the TRUE reality for many of us is that just hiring a new lead singer will not necessarily MOVE Journey forward. It's VERY possible (and quite probable) that Journey will NOT use Jeff's GIFTS to their fullest potential and he will wind up being yet another guy who comes to the stage night after night and regals the crowd with songs from yesteryear. If THAT is what Journey wants to do, then I will walk away and I have no problem with that, nor do I will a grudge about it (and in fact, I'm holding no grudge now about any of it).

Journey needs to LEAVE the classics (or most of them) and actually MOVE on with NEW material on CD and IN concert. NO ONE did/does the classics better than Perry anyway, so Journey might as well stop trying to prove it, because it's a lost cause. (Please note I used the word "better," not the phrase "as good as.")

I just think that Journey is capable of SO much more, but I have a feeling in my gut that they will NOT go for it. THAT is the part for which I'm fighting.

[fred_journeyman]

I said EARLY signs of a revival. ...This doesn't - of course - represent a completed revival in any way. We'll have to wait until the new album and the headlining tours next year to see if the promise shown at the moment has any real substance to it.

As far as I see it, Journey has an EXTREMELY SHORT amount of time to either "sh*t or get off the pot." It is now or never for these guys. If they want to continue going through lead singers by staying in the past and selling tickets to people who are only interested in Classic Journey, that's fine. If they want - instead - to take a huge risk and use JSS to his fullest potential by producing NEW music AND playing it in concert, then that's BETTER.

If Journey waits too long to produce new music and introduce it live, then they will have - by default - made the decision to continue as Classic Journey...without the classic voice.

Very true, Fred.

Thanks. You know, I have spent a number of years trying to get behind Journey without Perry. I have given today's Journey every opportunity to prove that they can be something without Steve Perry. I have given them my money for concerts and I have purchased their CDs. I like many of the songs on the new CDs and I enjoyed hearing them in concert, even if no one did. What they have proven is that they are not willing to make an effort to take the hard road.

I think it's time for fans like myself to be rewarded with new material both on CD AND in concert. In fact, it's long overdo.

If I was Steve Perry, I'd either be laughing my ass off, or wishing that I'd shut Journey down when I had the chance. Shhh...but don't tell anyone I said that, all right?