JSS is not a Perry Clone ! Geesh !!!

[Carlitto H@kk]

I look at it this way...

For 25 years I have been singing along to Journey tunes in my car, at home, in the shower and, when I do, I use the same inflections and Perry-isms too because THATS WHAT I GREW UP LISTENING TO 1000 TIMES. Granted I sound like shit because I am not nor never will have the vocal powers of Perry but you get my point. Those "isms" just become natural from listening so many times and being a FAN.

Jeff has commented time and time again that Perry was a HUGE influence on him and that he has nothing but the upmost respect for him. He is a FAN... has probably sang along to these tunes in the car or in the shower 1000 times over and, like the rest of us, the so-called "isms" are probably just natural.

Just my 2 piddly cents

Bang on Carlitto, exactly!

Thanks!

I was hoping Jeff would've commented on my reasoning...
Wondering how close I was

[tequila]

Jeez you lot make my skin crawl - for gods sake grow up! I love Journey and although I aint got the knowledge you lot have of singers past and present, I appreciate what I am listening to, whoever is singing/playing it, and I am looking forward to seeing the band in Manchester next year. Lay off JSS, if he aint like perry etc so what, I am sure he will contribute to the band and do his best not to let the fans down. Most of you are so narrow minded and blinkered you should stay the the holes you have crawled out of just to bleat and bemoan the fact that he is a bit different.

Now - if I have got the wrong end of one of the shittiest sticks around at the moment then I apolgise, if not then I await the abuse that is bound to be thrown at me lol

[tequila]

Oh, there are a few exceptions, thanks guys for looking on the positive side of things

[styxman]

Oh, there are a few exceptions, thanks guys for looking on the positive side of things

Runcorn McNeil - a playmate for yah
Mexican worm, McNeil is looking for someone to go to the Journey concert with him (He's got no friends) so PM him, it'll make his day as you're only down the road from him

[Jeremey]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

[McNeil]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

Jeez.... some sanity at last!! !!!

[conversationpc]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

[styxman]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

Jeez.... some sanity at last!! !!!

As if by magic

[ohsherrie]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

Jeez.... some sanity at last!! !!!

As if by magic

And by professionalism.

[McNeil]

Oh, there are a few exceptions, thanks guys for looking on the positive side of things

Runcorn McNeil - a playmate for yah
Mexican worm, McNeil is looking for someone to go to the Journey concert with him (He's got no friends) so PM him, it'll make his day as you're only down the road from him

Cheers Styxman... you trying to "tap me off" ?? haha too late I got my eye on JrnyFanUk ... !!

[styxman]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

Jeez.... some sanity at last!! !!!

As if by magic

And by professionalism.

and here we fuckin' go!!!!!!!

[styxman]

Oh, there are a few exceptions, thanks guys for looking on the positive side of things

Runcorn McNeil - a playmate for yah
Mexican worm, McNeil is looking for someone to go to the Journey concert with him (He's got no friends) so PM him, it'll make his day as you're only down the road from him

Cheers Styxman... you trying to "tap me off" ?? haha too late I got my eye on JrnyFanUk ... !!

Hey Macca, Heather's be at in in the Newspapers today, he gets pissed, doped to the hilt and smacks her....she's a livewire that one, ain't she

[ohsherrie]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

Jeez.... some sanity at last!! !!!

As if by magic

And by professionalism.

and here we fuckin' go!!!!!!!

NO NO NO, I meant that Jeremey's professional opinions sometimes STOP THE INSANITY!

[McNeil]

Oh, there are a few exceptions, thanks guys for looking on the positive side of things

Runcorn McNeil - a playmate for yah
Mexican worm, McNeil is looking for someone to go to the Journey concert with him (He's got no friends) so PM him, it'll make his day as you're only down the road from him

Cheers Styxman... you trying to "tap me off" ?? haha too late I got my eye on JrnyFanUk ... !!

Hey Macca, Heather's be at in in the Newspapers today, he gets pissed, doped to the hilt and smacks her....she's a livewire that one, ain't she

yeah..heard it on the news.... having been divorced myself, I can just say that its typical Lawyer/solicitor trash-talk!! they must just follow a flow-chart of letters to write, allegations to make...its all rather yawn inducing, but guaranteed to cause sparks to fly between the antagonists...Macca and 'Evver

[styxman]

Oh, there are a few exceptions, thanks guys for looking on the positive side of things

Runcorn McNeil - a playmate for yah
Mexican worm, McNeil is looking for someone to go to the Journey concert with him (He's got no friends) so PM him, it'll make his day as you're only down the road from him

Cheers Styxman... you trying to "tap me off" ?? haha too late I got my eye on JrnyFanUk ... !!

Hey Macca, Heather's be at in in the Newspapers today, he gets pissed, doped to the hilt and smacks her....she's a livewire that one, ain't she

yeah..heard it on the news.... having been divorced myself, I can just say that its typical Lawyer/solicitor trash-talk!! they must just follow a flow-chart of letters to write, allegations to make...its all rather yawn inducing, but guaranteed to cause sparks to fly between the antagonists...Macca and 'Evver

When she said he smacked her, I'm guessing he was dressed up in leathers, joint in his mouth and whip in hand, she can't exactly run far with one leg can she

[JSS]

You're not being your own man if you're using perryisms. He's already singing the songs Perry's voice made hits. To copy his inflections is a bit much.

You're telling me that after he's been in the business for some 20 years and virtually unknown, he's going to become an overnight sensation by covering JGH with Perry overtones?

So by your logic, I guess since Perry has alot of Sam Cooke-ism's he isn't his own man either.... brilliant logic you have *roll eyes*

..........................

That's really reaching! How do you define style? It's new material. When Soto uses Perry's style for some new material, come back and we'll talk about it.

So you're saying what's good for the goose is not for the gander?

Perry didn't only borrow Sam Cooke's phrasing & style, he downright stole a melody & lyric on Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin....if you're a real Journey fan you'd know of the song Nothing Can Change This Love by Cooke & know what I am talking about. If he can be that influenced to blatantly use Sam's style throughout his career, how do I personally not use the style Perry gave me as a singer...espcially for Journey! Food for thought or fuel for fire...GO!

[styxman]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

Jeez.... some sanity at last!! !!!

As if by magic

And by professionalism.

and here we fuckin' go!!!!!!!

NO NO NO, I meant that Jeremey's professional opinions sometimes STOP THE INSANITY!

I know, I was refering to McNeils entry but he's on best behaviour tonight

[McNeil]

You're not being your own man if you're using perryisms. He's already singing the songs Perry's voice made hits. To copy his inflections is a bit much.

You're telling me that after he's been in the business for some 20 years and virtually unknown, he's going to become an overnight sensation by covering JGH with Perry overtones?

So by your logic, I guess since Perry has alot of Sam Cooke-ism's he isn't his own man either.... brilliant logic you have *roll eyes*

..........................

That's really reaching! How do you define style? It's new material. When Soto uses Perry's style for some new material, come back and we'll talk about it.

So you're saying what's good for the goose is not for the gander?

Perry didn't only borrow Sam Cooke's phrasing & style, he downright stole a melody & lyric on Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin....if you're a real Journey fan you'd know of the song Nothing Can Change This Love by Cooke & know what I am talking about. If he can be that influenced to blatantly use Sam's style throughout his career, how do I personally not use the style Perry gave me as a singer...espcially for Journey! Food for thought or fuel for fire...GO!

your right Jeff.... nothing is new under the sun...we all take on board influences, mix and stir them round, and spew it out... if were lucky a lil bit of originality will show itself.... hell...the Beatles freely admit to rippin off a lot of artists. we are the sum of what we are influenced by...... nuff said!

as someone said... Perrys (nee Cookes) delivery is the fabric of the song... so thats how it has to be delivered..shit..I croon Journey songs(badly) and subconsciously Im tryin to do a Perry/Cooke " took the midnight train, goin any weir" ..dont we all sing that line..just like that reads??

[McNeil]

It's funny how quickly the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other - First there were those of us wondering if Jeff could manage the Journey "sound" with his heavier vocal style, and 10 weeks later, here we are with those accusations of ripping off and being an impersonator. There is no happy medium for everyone! Jeff & Augeri & Perry all have completely different vocal styles, but the songs are being sung as they were written! Perry wrote the Sam Cooke runs into that material, it's written in the fabric of those songs. They can't be performed any other way and ring true.

Jeez.... some sanity at last!! !!!

As if by magic

And by professionalism.

and here we fuckin' go!!!!!!!

NO NO NO, I meant that Jeremey's professional opinions sometimes STOP THE INSANITY!

I know, I was refering to McNeils entry but he's on best behaviour tonight

I sense calm on the board tonight ole Stxyman.... so shall that mood prevail!!

[yulog]

Ive heard people say he (JSS) doesnt sound enough like Steve Perry and also hes trying too much to sound like Perry, i wouldnt know what the hell to do with all this info. Id probably trash both sides of thought and just do what i want to do. Just an aside, when will Jeff start listening to his own advice--i thought he was thru arguing yet once again here he is arguing with another person, he continues to contradict himself. Heed your own advice already dude!

[conversationpc]

Perry didn't only borrow Sam Cooke's phrasing & style, he downright stole a melody & lyric on Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin....if you're a real Journey fan you'd know of the song Nothing Can Change This Love by Cooke & know what I am talking about. If he can be that influenced to blatantly use Sam's style throughout his career, how do I personally not use the style Perry gave me as a singer...espcially for Journey! Food for thought or fuel for fire...GO!

Hey now...I know Perry was majorly influenced by Sam Cooke, however, I am not that familiar with Sam Cooke's music. I am still a major Journey fan and I don't know the Cooke song mentioned above.

Anyway, I agree with your overall point.

[styxman]

It shall, I'm just waiting for Jeff to tell me which Cooke song he'd cover....Shake's rocky ain't it

[jrnysc]

You're not being your own man if you're using perryisms. He's already singing the songs Perry's voice made hits. To copy his inflections is a bit much.

You're telling me that after he's been in the business for some 20 years and virtually unknown, he's going to become an overnight sensation by covering JGH with Perry overtones?

So by your logic, I guess since Perry has alot of Sam Cooke-ism's he isn't his own man either.... brilliant logic you have *roll eyes*

..........................

That's really reaching! How do you define style? It's new material. When Soto uses Perry's style for some new material, come back and we'll talk about it.

So you're saying what's good for the goose is not for the gander?

Perry didn't only borrow Sam Cooke's phrasing & style, he downright stole a melody & lyric on Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin....if you're a real Journey fan you'd know of the song Nothing Can Change This Love by Cooke & know what I am talking about. If he can be that influenced to blatantly use Sam's style throughout his career, how do I personally not use the style Perry gave me as a singer...espcially for Journey! Food for thought or fuel for fire...GO!

Your a hoot Jeff. Just a real, no BS kinda guy. Gotta love it.

[JSS]

Ive heard people say he (JSS) doesnt sound enough like Steve Perry and also hes trying too much to sound like Perry, i wouldnt know what the hell to do with all this info. Id probably trash both sides of thought and just do what i want to do. Just an aside, when will Jeff start listening to his own advice--i thought he was thru arguing yet once again here he is arguing with another person, he continues to contradict himself. Heed your own advice already dude!

I'm educating, not arguing...there is a difference when I come on here. I only post when I read ignorance, sometimes it's ignorance based on lack of knowledge, sometimes it's from just wanting to stir the pot. I've said from the get-go, if I can take someone's jaded opinion & make them see the other side for a second, my time here is time well spent. I enjoy it to a degree until it turns into a pissing match. My own advice....yea, I heed by it everyday sir, thanks for the er....advice!

[Deb]

You're not being your own man if you're using perryisms. He's already singing the songs Perry's voice made hits. To copy his inflections is a bit much.

You're telling me that after he's been in the business for some 20 years and virtually unknown, he's going to become an overnight sensation by covering JGH with Perry overtones?

So by your logic, I guess since Perry has alot of Sam Cooke-ism's he isn't his own man either.... brilliant logic you have *roll eyes*

..........................

That's really reaching! How do you define style? It's new material. When Soto uses Perry's style for some new material, come back and we'll talk about it.

So you're saying what's good for the goose is not for the gander?

Perry didn't only borrow Sam Cooke's phrasing & style, he downright stole a melody & lyric on Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin....if you're a real Journey fan you'd know of the song Nothing Can Change This Love by Cooke & know what I am talking about. If he can be that influenced to blatantly use Sam's style throughout his career, how do I personally not use the style Perry gave me as a singer...espcially for Journey! Food for thought or fuel for fire...GO!

Shit that just made waaaaaaaaay too much sense! Of course you're going to emulate who you were influenced by. It's a compliment/tribute not a bad thing. Deen has also stated Perry as an idol of his.....and is definately influenced by him too as evidenced in his singing. I don't see anybody jumping all over Deen for the same thing.

[JSS]

It shall, I'm just waiting for Jeff to tell me which Cooke song he'd cover....Shake's rocky ain't it

Sam did a Frank Sinatra standard once, Don't Get Around Much Any More, fuck me the guy shows where Terence Trent D'Arby borrowed some, Perry borrowed a lot from, yet has his soulful swagger & Ol' Blue Eyes' swing....I've done this one before with a piano player friend of mine at some parties we've started jamming impromptu standards at & this would be the one I'd cover!

[ohsherrie]

It shall, I'm just waiting for Jeff to tell me which Cooke song he'd cover....Shake's rocky ain't it

Sam did a Frank Sinatra standard once, Don't Get Around Much Any More, fuck me the guy shows where Terence Trent D'Arby borrowed some, Perry borrowed a lot from, yet has his soulful swagger & Ol' Blue Eyes' swing....I've done this one before with a piano player friend of mine at some parties we've started jamming impromptu standards at & this would be the one I'd cover!

Damn I'd love to be at one of those parties.

[knox]

Okay, I don't think it would be possible to sing Journey songs and NOT have Perryisms come out.

Give me a break!

Jeff, keep doing what you're doing. You make us (most of us) proud of the music again. It has been too long since I was able to say that.

Thank you!

[fred_journeyman]

Perry didn't only borrow Sam Cooke's phrasing & style, he downright stole a melody & lyric on Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin....if you're a real Journey fan you'd know of the song Nothing Can Change This Love by Cooke & know what I am talking about. If he can be that influenced to blatantly use Sam's style throughout his career, how do I personally not use the style Perry gave me as a singer...espcially for Journey! Food for thought or fuel for fire...GO!

This is absolutely TRUE! I remember attending the Steve Smith Drum Clinic a few years back and for part of his clinic, he talked about the evolution of music and how drumming styles have changed, etc. (it was actually pretty interesting how it all came about). During the talk, he also played snippets of music from a variety of musicians and singers which represented different eras of music. What was absolutely amazing was when he used a snippet from the Sam Cooke song listed in JSS's comment! We all stopped and looked at each other and went "Lovin', Touchin' Squeezin'!" Smith just had this crooked smile on his face. THEN he played the snippet from LTS as if to underscore the point (and said something to the effect, "Yeah, there were some strange things going on in Journey then.")

Funny the times I've heard Herbie or Ross complain about Kansas stealing Journey's licks for a song, but Perry did it for LTS. He didn't even change it (except the words). Cracked me up!

JSS, on a different note, I don't think you sound like or are trying to imitate Perry. The only time I've really heard you sound like Perry was on the SS CD, and you commented yourself about how weird that was, as if you were channelling Perry. You definitely have your own sound. Whether or not you "fit" with Journey, from what I've seen you do a great job at fronting the band.

[styxman]

It shall, I'm just waiting for Jeff to tell me which Cooke song he'd cover....Shake's rocky ain't it

Sam did a Frank Sinatra standard once, Don't Get Around Much Any More, fuck me the guy shows where Terence Trent D'Arby borrowed some, Perry borrowed a lot from, yet has his soulful swagger & Ol' Blue Eyes' swing....I've done this one before with a piano player friend of mine at some parties we've started jamming impromptu standards at & this would be the one I'd cover!

Okay, I'll pencil you in for that one Just got to try and get Sir Paul to cover Love will find a way and we're onto a winner