Two types of Fan

[JrnyScarab]

I was thinking that there seems to be two types of Journey fan. One is the type that goes to the shows and scrutinizes every note played and frowns when Jeff misses a note and the other type that gets so into the mood and feeling of the show that they are oblivious to most of that. I guess I kind of fall into the first type somewhat. Being a guitar player that played in some local club bands many years ago, I always pay attention to the details but I am not obsessed with every note having to be perfect. As Jeff says, it's live. Some nights good, some not so good. Hell, even the most technical bands like RUSH and Dream Theater screw up. If they can't be perfect no one can.

My wife on the other hand, falls into the second category. Slug down some drinks, dance, sing and just enjoy the moment. During the Mansfield show she turns to me and says: "Are they going to play Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin?" to which I replied: "They already did honey!". Didn't matter, she was just groovin and having a great time. (Believe me, she is a MAJOR Journey fan, just not obsessed).

So, what type of fan is everybody?

[Dyzzi]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I would have to say i'm the 2nd sort of journey fan. As i just love to let my hair down and ROCK

[SusieP]

I like to hear some bum notes - that's how I know it's live music I'm hearing.
I like to hear some classic stuff and some new - but not too much of either.

I'd be mad if a band played ALL new stuff and mad if it was ALL old stuff.
I like a balance of the two.

[TRAGChick]

So, what type of fan is everybody?

I've tried to listen to the "New Journey" lineup; doesn't work for me..yeah, they're OK, but it's not the same...**IMO**

So, I guess I'm in the unmentioned "abstract 3rd category":

The type that wants Steve Perry to release a new CD in 2007.

[Amanda]

I'm the fan that deleted "Keep On Runnin'" from my iPod because I hate the tune

[JrnyScarab]

So, what type of fan is everybody?

I've tried to listen to the "New Journey" lineup; doesn't work for me..yeah, they're OK, but it's not the same...**IMO**

So, I guess I'm in the unmentioned "abstract 3rd category":

The type that wants Steve Perry to release a new CD in 2007.

Yeah, I know, you are the obsessed with Perry type!!

[JrnyScarab]

I'm the fan that deleted "Keep On Runnin'" from my iPod because I hate the tune

That's OK. There's plenty of GREAT Journey tunes for you to like.

[Mandi]

Good idea for a thread!

I have to go with the second type of fan. I go to hear the music, sing, dance and throw back a couple of drinks. A great time, with a great band.

I don't focus on the notes, or how many times the lead singer misses one. I am just there because I love the music and the atmosphere of being at a concert. I go to be entertained, and to have a great time. That's not to say that I don't appreciate the musical genius of a band like Journey. I appreciate the fact that Neal is a guitar god, and that Deen has a talent that very few can match. I just don't look for mistakes, flaws, changes, or anything like that.

I have NEVER been to a Journey concert where I wasn't amazed at the talent of these five men, and I have NEVER left a Journey concert feeling disappointed or let-down. I don't see that changing any time in the near future.

Mandi

[JrnyScarab]

Good idea for a thread!

I have to go with the second type of fan. I go to hear the music, sing, dance and throw back a couple of drinks. A great time, with a great band.

I don't focus on the notes, or how many times the lead singer misses one. I am just there because I love the music and the atmosphere of being at a concert. I go to be entertained, and to have a great time. That's not to say that I don't appreciate the musical genius of a band like Journey. I appreciate the fact that Neal is a guitar god, and that Deen has a talent that very few can match. I just don't look for mistakes, flaws, changes, or anything like that.

I have NEVER been to a Journey concert where I wasn't amazed at the talent of these five men, and I have NEVER left a Journey concert feeling disappointed or let-down. I don't see that changing any time in the near future.

Mandi

Although I pay close attention to everything, I am not the type that just stands there with my arms crossed. I sway, headbang and all that stuff too. Gotta get into the vibe as well. My friend stands there with arms crossed and insists he has a good time. To each his own I guess!

[A Fire Inside]

I'm the fan that deleted "Keep On Runnin'" from my iPod because I hate the tune

I took DSB off mine because I'm so tired of hearing it...

I scrutinize.

[Saint John]

While I DO miss Perry a lot, I'd say I'm the second. I go to the shows, get shitfaced, sing my ass off (which probably ruins it for those around me ) and have a good time. I don't give two fucks about missed notes, chords or beats. If I wanted perfection I'd stay home and listen to the CD. I go to the shows for their uniqueness, as no two shows are ever alike. THAT'S what it's all about.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I like to hear some bum notes - that's how I know it's live music I'm hearing.
I like to hear some classic stuff and some new - but not too much of either.

I'd be mad if a band played ALL new stuff and mad if it was ALL old stuff.
I like a balance of the two.

im the second type,, i want to soak up every second and try to burn it into my memory and at the same time holler and have a good time,, im with susieQ as well,, i like to hear bum notes now and again, experience the human side,, i dont want to hear an out of tune guitar or anything ,, but just have fun!!

[dcvader]

I guess I would be a hybrid. I like to have a few beers and get into the show. But, I really like the detail's and new wrinkles. I like the things that make each show unique (ie: different intro's, changed up guitar work and crowd interaction etc.)

When it comes down to the bottom line any Journey show is great for me.

[JrnyScarab]

I go to the shows, get shitfaced, sing my ass off (which probably ruins it for those around me )

Yeah, I know your type! (my wife included). The first time I saw Augeri I could hardly hear him. (Deano would say this is a good thing ). Everyone was singing too loud. I guess I just need closer seats where it's louder!

[Moose]

I was thinking that there seems to be two types of Journey fan. One is the type that goes to the shows and scrutinizes every note played and frowns when Jeff misses a note and the other type that gets so into the mood and feeling of the show that they are oblivious to most of that. I guess I kind of fall into the first type somewhat. Being a guitar player that played in some local club bands many years ago, I always pay attention to the details but I am not obsessed with every note having to be perfect. As Jeff says, it's live. Some nights good, some not so good. Hell, even the most technical bands like RUSH and Dream Theater screw up. If they can't be perfect no one can.

My wife on the other hand, falls into the second category. Slug down some drinks, dance, sing and just enjoy the moment. During the Mansfield show she turns to me and says: "Are they going to play Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin?" to which I replied: "They already did honey!". Didn't matter, she was just groovin and having a great time. (Believe me, she is a MAJOR Journey fan, just not obsessed).

So, what type of fan is everybody?

I don't really agree that there are two types of fans. The fact that you are a guitar player explains why you would feel that way. That's cool. Most fans, I would think fall somewhere closer to the second category. I do, especially when the beers are flowing.

[JrnyScarab]

I was thinking that there seems to be two types of Journey fan. One is the type that goes to the shows and scrutinizes every note played and frowns when Jeff misses a note and the other type that gets so into the mood and feeling of the show that they are oblivious to most of that. I guess I kind of fall into the first type somewhat. Being a guitar player that played in some local club bands many years ago, I always pay attention to the details but I am not obsessed with every note having to be perfect. As Jeff says, it's live. Some nights good, some not so good. Hell, even the most technical bands like RUSH and Dream Theater screw up. If they can't be perfect no one can.

My wife on the other hand, falls into the second category. Slug down some drinks, dance, sing and just enjoy the moment. During the Mansfield show she turns to me and says: "Are they going to play Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin?" to which I replied: "They already did honey!". Didn't matter, she was just groovin and having a great time. (Believe me, she is a MAJOR Journey fan, just not obsessed).

So, what type of fan is everybody?

I don't really agree that there are two types of fans. The fact that you are a guitar player explains why you would feel that way. That's cool. Most fans, I would think fall somewhere closer to the second category. I do, especially when the beers are flowing.

I would agree that most fans are closer to the second type. Us musician types are a smaller lot.

[Moose]

I was thinking that there seems to be two types of Journey fan. One is the type that goes to the shows and scrutinizes every note played and frowns when Jeff misses a note and the other type that gets so into the mood and feeling of the show that they are oblivious to most of that. I guess I kind of fall into the first type somewhat. Being a guitar player that played in some local club bands many years ago, I always pay attention to the details but I am not obsessed with every note having to be perfect. As Jeff says, it's live. Some nights good, some not so good. Hell, even the most technical bands like RUSH and Dream Theater screw up. If they can't be perfect no one can.

My wife on the other hand, falls into the second category. Slug down some drinks, dance, sing and just enjoy the moment. During the Mansfield show she turns to me and says: "Are they going to play Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin?" to which I replied: "They already did honey!". Didn't matter, she was just groovin and having a great time. (Believe me, she is a MAJOR Journey fan, just not obsessed).

So, what type of fan is everybody?

I don't really agree that there are two types of fans. The fact that you are a guitar player explains why you would feel that way. That's cool. Most fans, I would think fall somewhere closer to the second category. I do, especially when the beers are flowing.

I would agree that most fans are closer to the second type. Us musician types are a smaller lot.

My future son in law is a musician, and I totally respect it, but these two categories are too constrained. There are a wide variety of fans. Just my opinion.

[JrnyScarab]

I was thinking that there seems to be two types of Journey fan. One is the type that goes to the shows and scrutinizes every note played and frowns when Jeff misses a note and the other type that gets so into the mood and feeling of the show that they are oblivious to most of that. I guess I kind of fall into the first type somewhat. Being a guitar player that played in some local club bands many years ago, I always pay attention to the details but I am not obsessed with every note having to be perfect. As Jeff says, it's live. Some nights good, some not so good. Hell, even the most technical bands like RUSH and Dream Theater screw up. If they can't be perfect no one can.

My wife on the other hand, falls into the second category. Slug down some drinks, dance, sing and just enjoy the moment. During the Mansfield show she turns to me and says: "Are they going to play Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin?" to which I replied: "They already did honey!". Didn't matter, she was just groovin and having a great time. (Believe me, she is a MAJOR Journey fan, just not obsessed).

So, what type of fan is everybody?

I don't really agree that there are two types of fans. The fact that you are a guitar player explains why you would feel that way. That's cool. Most fans, I would think fall somewhere closer to the second category. I do, especially when the beers are flowing.

I would agree that most fans are closer to the second type. Us musician types are a smaller lot.

My future son in law is a musician, and I totally respect it, but these two categories are too constrained. There are a wide variety of fans. Just my opinion.

There are some greys in between allowed Moose! What other types are you thinking of?

[Crazie Scarab]

Us musician types are a smaller lot.

That's what I always hear all the ladies saying..

[JrnyScarab]

Us musician types are a smaller lot.

That's what I always hear all the ladies saying..

Hey! Watch that stuff you pervert!

[Moose]

I was thinking that there seems to be two types of Journey fan. One is the type that goes to the shows and scrutinizes every note played and frowns when Jeff misses a note and the other type that gets so into the mood and feeling of the show that they are oblivious to most of that. I guess I kind of fall into the first type somewhat. Being a guitar player that played in some local club bands many years ago, I always pay attention to the details but I am not obsessed with every note having to be perfect. As Jeff says, it's live. Some nights good, some not so good. Hell, even the most technical bands like RUSH and Dream Theater screw up. If they can't be perfect no one can.

My wife on the other hand, falls into the second category. Slug down some drinks, dance, sing and just enjoy the moment. During the Mansfield show she turns to me and says: "Are they going to play Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin?" to which I replied: "They already did honey!". Didn't matter, she was just groovin and having a great time. (Believe me, she is a MAJOR Journey fan, just not obsessed).

So, what type of fan is everybody?

I don't really agree that there are two types of fans. The fact that you are a guitar player explains why you would feel that way. That's cool. Most fans, I would think fall somewhere closer to the second category. I do, especially when the beers are flowing.

I would agree that most fans are closer to the second type. Us musician types are a smaller lot.

My future son in law is a musician, and I totally respect it, but these two categories are too constrained. There are a wide variety of fans. Just my opinion.

There are some greys in between allowed Moose! What other types are you thinking of?

Well, perhaps that is what I mean. There are many shades of gray between the two. For instance, I would be the one who has every CD, has seen many tours, knows much about the band (albeit not as much as some of you folks), while my wife likes a few songs, and has a great time at the concert. While I might see a discernable difference in the quality of the show I am seeing, it woun't affect my enjoyment, and she probably wouldn't know the difference.

So I guess what I'm saying is, there are a lot of greys.....

[Melissa]

#2 type.

I'm not a musician so I wouldn't hear imperfections the way I'm sure musicians do, unless it's just something really awful, which I'm sure I'd never hear from Journey, lol.

Funny though, in between bands I'm fascinated by all the equipment, wires, & the other TONS of things up there! Holy crap how do they put all that together & tear it all back down & pack it all away, & take it all back out & set it all back up.....over & over.....amazing.

And what does each member actually hear with those ear pieces in? Any musicians here know? I really do wonder how all that works!

[ohsherrie]

So I guess what I'm saying is, there are a lot of greys.....

Oh yes, so many that they can't even be described.

[JrnyScarab]

#2 type.

I'm not a musician so I wouldn't hear imperfections the way I'm sure musicians do, unless it's just something really awful, which I'm sure I'd never hear from Journey, lol.

Funny though, in between bands I'm fascinated by all the equipment, wires, & the other TONS of things up there! Holy crap how do they put all that together & tear it all back down & pack it all away, & take it all back out & set it all back up.....over & over.....amazing.

And what does each member actually hear with those ear pieces in? Any musicians here know? I really do wonder how all that works!

Melissa, you want to see amazing equipment (No Crazie Scarab, I'm not talking about what your thinking ), get a hold of the Pink Floyd DVD called Pulse. Damn if that is not the most amazing stage & light setup I've ever seen! Must have cost an absolute fortune. I remember reading that they had duplicate setups of everything that would drive to the next show and setup while they were playing the current show!

[Melissa]

Hmmm, my husband's brother is a huge PF fan, I'll see if he has it!

LMAO about the "equipment" line too, lol.

[Ratgirl]

I would say I'm the 2nd type.. I'm there to have a good time and enjoy the music.

[JrnyScarab]

I would say I'm the 2nd type.. I'm there to have a good time and enjoy the music.

See, for a musician, hearing all that stuff that others pay no attention to is like ear candy. The different SOUNDS move you as well as the performance. It's like the brain gets a high from some pattern of notes and expression.

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm the 2nd type. I wouldn't care if JSS missed notes, Deen broke a drumstick, or Neal's guitar exploded.

Ever hear some of the really old shows where Perry forgot the words? You guys in the 1st category would have a meltdown.

It's all part of the live experience. And it's great.

[JrnyScarab]

And what does each member actually hear with those ear pieces in? Any musicians here know? I really do wonder how all that works!

Melissa, they hear a mix of the instruments and vocals so they can play in time with each other. They used to have speakers on stage called monitors that faced towards the band but with all the volume on stage it could be hard to hear everything clearly. The earpieces allow for more control of the sound. I've heard some singers improved their pitch quite a bit after switching to the in-ear monitors. The band has a sound man that mixes the monitors so Jeff might hear his voice prominently and the rest of the band not so loud or louder if he likes and Neal might hear his guitar a little louder than the others etc. Much more control than the old on stage monitors.

[JrnyScarab]

I'm the 2nd type. I wouldn't care if JSS missed notes, Deen broke a drumstick, or Neal's guitar exploded.

Ever hear some of the really old shows where Perry forgot the words? You guys in the 1st category would have a meltdown.

It's all part of the live experience. And it's great.

Oh, I agree that the energy and performance overwhelm any mistakes made by the band. The mistakes are in the past and soon forgotten in the excitement of the moment. But, when the band is really clicking and playing tight together I notice it and it helps create the WHOLE experience that others might not notice.