RECOVERY

[heardonthestreet]

JSS has stated here that we shouldn't draw any conclusions about what all went down and to not hold the band accountable, as we don't know the circumstances behind it.

A poster here, who is apparently more in the know than most, has stated that I don't know what went on behind the scenes and that I would never find out.

This being so, we may as well treat Journey like a religion and have blind faith. I'm tempted to have blind faith because I may not like the reality of it all.

Being the type of fan that I am, the most important part of it all is that the legacy remain intact. The REST OF THE STORY could sour time spent for the fans of certain era's of Journey history and the contribution of any band member.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I do not wish illness on anyone, for any reason. I hope the best for Steve Augeri with regard to his personal health. That does not include a return to his role with Journey. So please, let any future album's names be far removed from this recent craziness

The REAL craziness is that YOU and others are pinning EVERYTHING on SA.

Let me remind you that JOURNEY is a TEAM. To the best of my knowledge SA isn't Fidel Castro in red leather pants sitting back smoking cigars and running EVERYTHING from a plush presidential suite reminiscent of Saddam's Iraqi palaces.

The FACT is that IF Tapegate truly happened then it was a TEAM effort from management all the way through - including Def Leppard and THEIR team.

This is why assigning total responsibility on SA is utter lunacy. You don't want to see him return to JOURNEY - AND WHY? Because YOU'VE assigned this to him. YOU'VE made him the scapegoat to something that took MANY people to pull over. JOURNEY hasn't made him a scapegoat. They've reported that he's taking time off to RECOVER. They wisj him a speedy RECOVERY. They didn't flat out FIRE him or report that he quit.

Can you please explain to me why you think they didn't CLEARLY report either a firing or resignation?

If SA is so GUILTY then why not simply tear off the band-aid QUICKLY and cut him loose? And if JOURNEY are the bastards that so many believe them to be then why didn't they pin SA down for a resignation/confession that he's the guilty, solely responsible piece of shit so many here think he is?

Explain. I'm listening.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Being the type of fan that I am, the most important part of it all is that the legacy remain intact. The REST OF THE STORY could sour time spent for the fans of certain era's of Journey history and the contribution of any band member.

Yes. Please keep this info AWAY from Paul Harvey!

Honestly, I don't NEED to know the rest of the story. Neither do I need to know the rest of the story regarding a friend's divorce; what their mortgage is or any other personal matters.

Unfortunately, people who take the reports for face value are considered mindless robots when in fact most of us simply have lives and find our own relationships and living sufficiently compelling!

[heardonthestreet]

What exactly do you want, Frye and what would it gain?

Nobody else is blaming and condemning only Augeri except this forum. The band and JSS speak with high regard for the man and most of his fans have stayed loyal and wish him well. Some poster's on this board are the ONLY ones making him the scapegoat. Is this board the jury? Andrew believes in tapegate but he only praises Augeri.

Are you being influenced simply by the what some posters write here?

[SteveForever]

Can you please explain to me why you think they didn't CLEARLY report either a firing or resignation?

If SA is so GUILTY then why not simply tear off the band-aid QUICKLY and cut him loose? And if JOURNEY are the bastards that so many believe them to be then why didn't they pin SA down for a resignation/confession that he's the guilty, solely responsible piece of shit so many here think he is?

Explain. I'm listening.[/quote]

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are, but they know and I didn't really want to believe it 100% until this week when something really shocking happened.
Arrival Rules posted some videos of Steve Augeri and there wasn't any doubt after watching those 3 videos that he was indeed acting these last few years while the band played live-using his soundtracks. Even if you heard this was happening it wasn't that big of deal to most I think-until you actually SEE it because it is just so bewildering. I am not a fan of Steve A. although I enjoyed the albums he sang on, but what is so brain-blasting is the site of Neal and Ross and the others.....going along with this. You can see it on their faces, they are shamed. I talked to several of my friends on here this week and they agreed with me the first time they saw the truth they were numb.
There are no closet satanists on this board that went hunting for this information, it just fell into their lap after friends and sources and yes even the media reported it. I have done some research, and at this point its no hush-hush secret.

Now...Neal and the crew must maintain a level of nobility and build back the respect, trust and credibilty. They are never going to openly confirm any of this, how can they? they can't. So you ask why SA hasn't simply been let go, resigned, made the scapegoat? Well, Journey is a corporate band and there are loads of people involved with them and SA has to be paid for his time, talents and contracts-big ones have to to be written up to protect him and the others involved. Lots of money will have to switch hands and lawyers bill by the hour.... and SA is probably incredibly relieved after he's gotten over his depression about the gig because being a musician he was probably mortified he had to do this.....it probably started out as 1 night and turned into many....

I'm not saying any of this to be hurtful or for any reason other than I hope you as a fan can grant them the forgiveness that everyone initially wants to deny them when they first discover the truth. I do not agree with SA being drug thru the muck and insults on this board, but rather than give up on the band like I wanted to do this week...I just want to look forward to JSS's music with Journey=the NEW Journey. He has stepped up in more ways than one to be the frontman for them, he's innocent and wants to answer people's music questions, meet the fans and really listen. Time for people to show him some respect, seriously. They will have to make some announcements, but they probably can't just yet due to litigation. Anyway, peace to you.

[EclipticJourney]

Just want to clarify that just because I am Webmaster for and know George Tickner personally, does not equal I know what is happening inside Journey. Yes, George remains close to the band and especially Ross (they are HS friends and own a Studio together), but he only knows so much. Every once in awhile he is privvy to inside information, such as when the band was in the studio rocking out "Generations and he was there on several occasions, but there are more cases than not, such as the current one with Steve Augeri, he nor I has any inside information on.

The only information I have is what everyone else outside the band's inner circle has. What the band is telling us. The only place they are telling us is at their Official site. All of the who's in and who's out theories are nothing but speculation and innuendo. All of the crap about "Tapegate" is rumor and innuendo. I don't deal in rumor and innuendo.

Right now, the word is temporary. Noone knows what might happen in the future. Heck, the band probably doesn't know the exact script for 2007 and beyond. Whatever happens will happen. I support the band. I support every member of the band and that includes Steve and Jeff. Yes, I consider Jeff a member. He is up on stage with the band, night after night and until that changes (or doesn't) he is the lead singer of Journey.

[Chakra]

Can you please explain to me why you think they didn't CLEARLY report either a firing or resignation?

If SA is so GUILTY then why not simply tear off the band-aid QUICKLY and cut him loose? And if JOURNEY are the bastards that so many believe them to be then why didn't they pin SA down for a resignation/confession that he's the guilty, solely responsible piece of shit so many here think he is?

Explain. I'm listening.

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are, but they know and I didn't really want to believe it 100% until this week when something really shocking happened.
Arrival Rules posted some videos of Steve Augeri and there wasn't any doubt after watching those 3 videos that he was indeed acting these last few years while the band played live-using his soundtracks. Even if you heard this was happening it wasn't that big of deal to most I think-until you actually SEE it because it is just so bewildering. I am not a fan of Steve A. although I enjoyed the albums he sang on, but what is so brain-blasting is the site of Neal and Ross and the others.....going along with this. You can see it on their faces, they are shamed. I talked to several of my friends on here this week and they agreed with me the first time they saw the truth they were numb.
There are no closet satanists on this board that went hunting for this information, it just fell into their lap after friends and sources and yes even the media reported it. I have done some research, and at this point its no hush-hush secret.

Now...Neal and the crew must maintain a level of nobility and build back the respect, trust and credibilty. They are never going to openly confirm any of this, how can they? they can't. So you ask why SA hasn't simply been let go, resigned, made the scapegoat? Well, Journey is a corporate band and there are loads of people involved with them and SA has to be paid for his time, talents and contracts-big ones have to to be written up to protect him and the others involved. Lots of money will have to switch hands and lawyers bill by the hour.... and SA is probably incredibly relieved after he's gotten over his depression about the gig because being a musician he was probably mortified he had to do this.....it probably started out as 1 night and turned into many....

I'm not saying any of this to be hurtful or for any reason other than I hope you as a fan can grant them the forgiveness that everyone initially wants to deny them when they first discover the truth. I do not agree with SA being drug thru the muck and insults on this board, but rather than give up on the band like I wanted to do this week...I just want to look forward to JSS's music with Journey=the NEW Journey. He has stepped up in more ways than one to be the frontman for them, he's innocent and wants to answer people's music questions, meet the fans and really listen. Time for people to show him some respect, seriously. They will have to make some announcements, but they probably can't just yet due to litigation. Anyway, peace to you.[/quote



I agree with your probable assessment of the situation. What seems to be lost in the mix here is the consumer fraud perpetuated on the unsuspecting fans by the Journey Corporation. If they are so embarrassed and want to make amends to the fans, why don't they either perform a free concert at those venues affected or offer refunds to the victimized ticketholders? Instead they are embarking on a 2007 tour with a new frontman to line the cash drawers again?!
They are lucky, so far, no one has filed a class action lawsuit! This is corporate greed plain and simple.

[ArnelRox]

what is so brain-blasting is the site of Neal and Ross and the others.....going along with this. You can see it on their faces, they are shamed.

I think u might be reading too much into what u see on their faces. I am not sure they knew exactly all the details of what was going on. Neal has always been a guitar player & a hands-off guy. He never wanted to manage the band. That's why he always had a manager. In many ways, he let Perry manage or co-manage. When Perry left, he let Azoff manage. I suspect Neal was mostly absent from Journey day-to-day operations while he was trying to get SS off the ground. That was when most of these problems started and built from a little augmentation on a chorus here & there or letting Deen take the chorus to full blown out taped songs. I also have a suspicion that perhaps those who did know, knew that Neal has a temper. I think in some ways they might have kept ALL the facts from Neal to prevent him from blowing a gasket. Neal just wants to play guitar, after all. That's my suspicion & my opinion only of course.

Neal and the crew must maintain a level of nobility and build back the respect, trust and credibilty. They are never going to openly confirm any of this,

I agree. It would be terrible for the band's future & also bad for Augeri, possibly something that could result in serious litigation. Therefore, it will not be discussed publicly EVER.

there are loads of people involved with them and SA has to be paid for his time, talents and contracts-big ones have to to be written up to protect him and the others involved.

I agree w/u 100%. There will be no official announcement until the lawyers work their way through all the paperwork that needs to happen first. I'm sure there was a lot of the same stuff going on before SA came on board. The difference is they weren't in mid-tour. They are at the moment & this is probably all in the hands of the lawyers. Once it's all settled, we'll get some kind of announcement that SA has left the band, I think.

SA is probably incredibly relieved after he's gotten over his depression about the gig because being a musician he was probably mortified he had to do this.....it probably started out as 1 night and turned into many....

I'm not so sure about that. Yes it probably started as a slippery slope. A bit of help in '04. A few nights of all songs from tape in '05. But somewhere along the line, as it continued, Augeri obviously made his peace w/what he was doing & decided to let it continue. After all, he agreed to do it again in another tour this year. I think that's why many of us blame him. If he'd stepped down after using tapes last year, that would have been one thing. But to do it again in 2nd year, that, to me, is just disgusting & shows his lack of integrity as a person. I wonder if he would have continued indefinitely if this hadn't come out.

I just want to look forward to JSS's music with Journey=the NEW Journey. He has stepped up in more ways than one to be the frontman for them, he's innocent and wants to answer people's music questions, meet the fans and really listen. Time for people to show him some respect, seriously. [/b]

I so totally agree w/u. JSS took on a very tough job here & at a very tough time in this band's history. Maybe in some ways much tougher than the job SA took on replacing Perry. At least Perry didn't want to tour & the band did. Jeff had to step in fast, take over, bring the fans around, & try to get away from the recent scandal before even more people learned about it. On top of all that, he has taken time out of his busy days to listen to us & reach out to us. He's one special guy & Journey fans got lucky, real lucky.

[Chakra]

what is so brain-blasting is the site of Neal and Ross and the others.....going along with this. You can see it on their faces, they are shamed.

I think u might be reading too much into what u see on their faces. I am not sure they knew exactly all the details of what was going on. Neal has always been a guitar player & a hands-off guy. He never wanted to manage the band. That's why he always had a manager. In many ways, he let Perry manage or co-manage. When Perry left, he let Azoff manage. I suspect Neal was mostly absent from Journey day-to-day operations while he was trying to get SS off the ground. That was when most of these problems started and built from a little augmentation on a chorus here & there or letting Deen take the chorus to full blown out taped songs. I also have a suspicion that perhaps those who did know, knew that Neal has a temper. I think in some ways they might have kept ALL the facts from Neal to prevent him from blowing a gasket. Neal just wants to play guitar, after all. That's my suspicion & my opinion only of course.

Neal and the crew must maintain a level of nobility and build back the respect, trust and credibilty. They are never going to openly confirm any of this,

I agree. It would be terrible for the band's future & also bad for Augeri, possibly something that could result in serious litigation. Therefore, it will not be discussed publicly EVER.

there are loads of people involved with them and SA has to be paid for his time, talents and contracts-big ones have to to be written up to protect him and the others involved.

I agree w/u 100%. There will be no official announcement until the lawyers work their way through all the paperwork that needs to happen first. I'm sure there was a lot of the same stuff going on before SA came on board. The difference is they weren't in mid-tour. They are at the moment & this is probably all in the hands of the lawyers. Once it's all settled, we'll get some kind of announcement that SA has left the band, I think.

SA is probably incredibly relieved after he's gotten over his depression about the gig because being a musician he was probably mortified he had to do this.....it probably started out as 1 night and turned into many....

I'm not so sure about that. Yes it probably started as a slippery slope. A bit of help in '04. A few nights of all songs from tape in '05. But somewhere along the line, as it continued, Augeri obviously made his peace w/what he was doing & decided to let it continue. After all, he agreed to do it again in another tour this year. I think that's why many of us blame him. If he'd stepped down after using tapes last year, that would have been one thing. But to do it again in 2nd year, that, to me, is just disgusting & shows his lack of integrity as a person. I wonder if he would have continued indefinitely if this hadn't come out.

I just want to look forward to JSS's music with Journey=the NEW Journey. He has stepped up in more ways than one to be the frontman for them, he's innocent and wants to answer people's music questions, meet the fans and really listen. Time for people to show him some respect, seriously. [/b]

I so totally agree w/u. JSS took on a very tough job here & at a very tough time in this band's history. Maybe in some ways much tougher than the job SA took on replacing Perry. At least Perry didn't want to tour & the band did. Jeff had to step in fast, take over, bring the fans around, & try to get away from the recent scandal before even more people learned about it. On top of all that, he has taken time out of his busy days to listen to us & reach out to us. He's one special guy & Journey fans got lucky, real lucky.

Neal didn't know Augeri was lip synching???? NOT! This is no rinky dink garage band. These guys are precision musicians. They rehearse together, they sound check. They ALL knew and they ALL colluded as members of the Journey Corporation. The concert attendees and the fans were the losers/victims. They could care less to this day. JSS is their smoke and mirrors for the moment. Hope he banks his bucks while he has some momentum going. The Journey frontman curse is nipping at his heels.

Greed is a nasty beast. But then, so is Karma!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are...

You lost me right there.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Neal didn't know Augeri was lip synching???? NOT! This is no rinky dink garage band. These guys are precision musicians. They rehearse together, they sound check. They ALL knew and they ALL colluded as members of the Journey Corporation. The concert attendees and the fans were the losers/victims. They could care less to this day. JSS is their smoke and mirrors for the moment. Hope he banks his bucks while he has some momentum going. The Journey frontman curse is nipping at his heels.

Greed is a nasty beast. But then, so is Karma!

Excellent points. Nice counter to the rampant, insane delusions that SA was somehow pulling the wool over everyone's eyes including his own band mates.

Bravo!

There's absolutely NO WAY that SA is solely responsible for "Tapegate." I will state here and now: if this lunacy somehow becomes reality and JOURNEY indeed lays it all on him as a way to save face then they will instantly lose this fan.

[AR]

Neal didn't know Augeri was lip synching???? NOT! This is no rinky dink garage band. These guys are precision musicians. They rehearse together, they sound check. They ALL knew and they ALL colluded as members of the Journey Corporation. The concert attendees and the fans were the losers/victims. They could care less to this day. JSS is their smoke and mirrors for the moment. Hope he banks his bucks while he has some momentum going. The Journey frontman curse is nipping at his heels.

Not true. Ever play in a band? You do not necessarily have the singer in your monitors. And if had been a really good singer (which Augeri was - no doubt) you do not necessarily pick up on it if something else is going on.

I could say more, but I won't. As someone who plays music, the above quote just isn't fair.

Let's move on.

Soto is the real deal - believe it!

[SteveForever]

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are...

You lost me right there.

FW, there are no experts on here and I merely stated the obvious, the only experts on Journey are the guys that actually play and sing in the band, not even their management knows everything about them....so get real. You can believe whatever you choose.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I agree with your probable assessment of the situation. What seems to be lost in the mix here is the consumer fraud perpetuated on the unsuspecting fans by the Journey Corporation. If they are so embarrassed and want to make amends to the fans, why don't they either perform a free concert at those venues affected or offer refunds to the victimized ticketholders? Instead they are embarking on a 2007 tour with a new frontman to line the cash drawers again?!
They are lucky, so far, no one has filed a class action lawsuit! This is corporate greed plain and simple.

Anyone can sue anyone else for any thing. It doesn't mean that the suit will stick.

I don't believe a court would find this as consumer fraud. I think you'd have to prove that SA couldn't sing to begin with. That JOURNEY hired picked him knowing that he couldn't sing and used him to deceive the fans in order to gain. I just don't see this as being true.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Neal didn't know Augeri was lip synching???? NOT! This is no rinky dink garage band. These guys are precision musicians. They rehearse together, they sound check. They ALL knew and they ALL colluded as members of the Journey Corporation. The concert attendees and the fans were the losers/victims. They could care less to this day. JSS is their smoke and mirrors for the moment. Hope he banks his bucks while he has some momentum going. The Journey frontman curse is nipping at his heels.

Not true. Ever play in a band? You do not necessarily have the singer in your monitors. And if had been a really good singer (which Augeri was - no doubt) you do not necessarily pick up on it if something else is going on.

I could say more, but I won't. As someone who plays music, the above quote just isn't fair.

Let's move on.

Soto is the real deal - believe it!

And SA isn't real? What is he then? He's been recording and touring with JOURNEY since 1998. None of that was "real"?

[donnaplease]

As someone who's still relatively new here, I'd like to see the clips of the lip-syncing. Can anyone give me a clue where to find them? I'd just like to see for myself, so that I can form my own opinion based on what I've seen.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are...

You lost me right there.

FW, there are no experts on here and I merely stated the obvious, the only experts on Journey are the guys that actually play and sing in the band, not even their management knows everything about them....so get real. You can believe whatever you choose.

You want me and others to believe YOU yet you "can't tell."

Why not?

Were you entrusted in some way? Do you have a gag order?

You say you're just stating the obvious - then why the need to state that you have some mysterious source of truth that you need to protect with anonymity? Seems to me that was an attempt to give your statement credibility.

What's obvious to me is that there's a lot of crap being thrown around on this forum as GOSPEL but not a single attempt at revealing a credible source.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

As someone who's still relatively new here, I'd like to see the clips of the lip-syncing. Can anyone give me a clue where to find them? I'd just like to see for myself, so that I can form my own opinion based on what I've seen.

Personally, I wouldn't know. I'm entirely uninterested.

I'd like to clarify that this thread isn't about whether or not SA lipped. It's about the recovery of JOURNEY and SA's illness and Tapegate.

I'm supporting JOURNEY's official announcement regarding this matter. That SA is on sick leave until it can be determined when he may return.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Just want to clarify that just because I am Webmaster for and know George Tickner personally, does not equal I know what is happening inside Journey. Yes, George remains close to the band and especially Ross (they are HS friends and own a Studio together), but he only knows so much. Every once in awhile he is privvy to inside information, such as when the band was in the studio rocking out "Generations and he was there on several occasions, but there are more cases than not, such as the current one with Steve Augeri, he nor I has any inside information on.

The only information I have is what everyone else outside the band's inner circle has. What the band is telling us. The only place they are telling us is at their Official site. All of the who's in and who's out theories are nothing but speculation and innuendo. All of the crap about "Tapegate" is rumor and innuendo. I don't deal in rumor and innuendo.

Right now, the word is temporary. Noone knows what might happen in the future. Heck, the band probably doesn't know the exact script for 2007 and beyond. Whatever happens will happen. I support the band. I support every member of the band and that includes Steve and Jeff. Yes, I consider Jeff a member. He is up on stage with the band, night after night and until that changes (or doesn't) he is the lead singer of Journey.

The thing is that people were toasting you for what they perceived as you spouting off comments as if you have inside info. The irony is that these came from people who want others to believe that they've got inside info!

Thanks for the clarification, Rich. It's good to see someone step up and state the truth about themselves.

[Wally_Hatchet]

Can you please explain to me why you think they didn't CLEARLY report either a firing or resignation?

If SA is so GUILTY then why not simply tear off the band-aid QUICKLY and cut him loose? And if JOURNEY are the bastards that so many believe them to be then why didn't they pin SA down for a resignation/confession that he's the guilty, solely responsible piece of shit so many here think he is?

Explain. I'm listening.

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are, but they know and I didn't really want to believe it 100% until this week when something really shocking happened.
Arrival Rules posted some videos of Steve Augeri and there wasn't any doubt after watching those 3 videos that he was indeed acting these last few years while the band played live-using his soundtracks. Even if you heard this was happening it wasn't that big of deal to most I think-until you actually SEE it because it is just so bewildering. I am not a fan of Steve A. although I enjoyed the albums he sang on, but what is so brain-blasting is the site of Neal and Ross and the others.....going along with this. You can see it on their faces, they are shamed. I talked to several of my friends on here this week and they agreed with me the first time they saw the truth they were numb.
There are no closet satanists on this board that went hunting for this information, it just fell into their lap after friends and sources and yes even the media reported it. I have done some research, and at this point its no hush-hush secret.

Now...Neal and the crew must maintain a level of nobility and build back the respect, trust and credibilty. They are never going to openly confirm any of this, how can they? they can't. So you ask why SA hasn't simply been let go, resigned, made the scapegoat? Well, Journey is a corporate band and there are loads of people involved with them and SA has to be paid for his time, talents and contracts-big ones have to to be written up to protect him and the others involved. Lots of money will have to switch hands and lawyers bill by the hour.... and SA is probably incredibly relieved after he's gotten over his depression about the gig because being a musician he was probably mortified he had to do this.....it probably started out as 1 night and turned into many....

I'm not saying any of this to be hurtful or for any reason other than I hope you as a fan can grant them the forgiveness that everyone initially wants to deny them when they first discover the truth. I do not agree with SA being drug thru the muck and insults on this board, but rather than give up on the band like I wanted to do this week...I just want to look forward to JSS's music with Journey=the NEW Journey. He has stepped up in more ways than one to be the frontman for them, he's innocent and wants to answer people's music questions, meet the fans and really listen. Time for people to show him some respect, seriously. They will have to make some announcements, but they probably can't just yet due to litigation. Anyway, peace to you.[/quote]

I saw those videos of SA, can you tell me what leads you and others to believe he was lipping in those vids?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, nor do I doubt that he may have been lipping - I just couldn't tell by watching the vids.

Was it a visual thing that you can actually see?

Just curious.

[AR]

And SA isn't real? What is he then? He's been recording and touring with JOURNEY since 1998. None of that was "real"?

It was real from 1998 into parts of 2004.

[SteveForever]

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are...

You lost me right there.

FW, there are no experts on here and I merely stated the obvious, the only experts on Journey are the guys that actually play and sing in the band, not even their management knows everything about them....so get real. You can believe whatever you choose.

You want me and others to believe YOU yet you "can't tell."

Why not?

Were you entrusted in some way? Do you have a gag order?

You say you're just stating the obvious - then why the need to state that you have some mysterious source of truth that you need to protect with anonymity? Seems to me that was an attempt to give your statement credibility.

What's obvious to me is that there's a lot of crap being thrown around on this forum as GOSPEL but not a single attempt at revealing a credible source.

Okay.....I don't want you to believe me, please don't in fact. You are focusing on one silly part of my post.....and yes I was entrusted, my perogative to not tell you who by= so get over it. Several people though.** By the Way I love your Dream project, the art is cool and you have put alot of time and effort into that, you are talented!!!
Its a fantasy right? that's why most people and I say most not all....go to hear a Classic Journey concert...its all part of the fantasy of being back in the 80's.

[Clasicrockldy]

Right now, the word is temporary. Noone knows what might happen in the future. Heck, the band probably doesn't know the exact script for 2007 and beyond. Whatever happens will happen. I support the band. I support every member of the band and that includes Steve and Jeff. Yes, I consider Jeff a member. He is up on stage with the band, night after night and until that changes (or doesn't) he is the lead singer of Journey.

Don't give me that line that Journey doesn't know the exact script for 2007. Journey will have two plans, if that, ready and waiting. If they don't, then that is a stupid move. The band members will have Plan A and Plan B. And if you think they don't, then you are stupid !

[Jeremey fan forever]

They don't do a recovery program for cock suckers cramp

[Wheels Of Fyre]

FW, I'm no expert at all about anything...but I will tell you what I've learned from talking to many people; some who do actually have inside information. No, I can't tell you who they are...

You lost me right there.

FW, there are no experts on here and I merely stated the obvious, the only experts on Journey are the guys that actually play and sing in the band, not even their management knows everything about them....so get real. You can believe whatever you choose.

You want me and others to believe YOU yet you "can't tell."

Why not?

Were you entrusted in some way? Do you have a gag order?

You say you're just stating the obvious - then why the need to state that you have some mysterious source of truth that you need to protect with anonymity? Seems to me that was an attempt to give your statement credibility.

What's obvious to me is that there's a lot of crap being thrown around on this forum as GOSPEL but not a single attempt at revealing a credible source.

Okay.....I don't want you to believe me, please don't in fact. You are focusing on one silly part of my post.....and yes I was entrusted, my perogative to not tell you who by= so get over it. Several people though.** By the Way I love your Dream project, the art is cool and you have put alot of time and effort into that, you are talented!!!
Its a fantasy right? that's why most people and I say most not all....go to hear a Classic Journey concert...its all part of the fantasy of being back in the 80's.

Thanks for the nice comments. I've let the project slide over the last year as our 3rd baby was born.

I don't know that I'm focusing on anything silly. I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask someone to reveal a source if what they're saying is something of substance that only certain people should have direct knowledge of. My experience has been that if someone entrusts me with something then I keep it to myself. I don't break that trust by repeating it. So you see when you tell me that you've been entrusted it makes it even more difficult for me to believe.

I agree about the fan base and the fantasy of being back in the 80's. I've been vocal about this being the reason why JOURNEY has been reduced to playing only their 80's hits in concerts. I think there was a time to have this kind of tour/concert but not every year, every tour, every concert. Honestly I haven't seen them since 1998 as every year they've been playing the same sets. I'm not at all encouraged to see the same concert year after year. I only have so much income and I'm not going to spend it on a broken record. While people cry and complain that they've been ripped off by Tapegate I'm completely numb to it. I honestly feel that the bigger ripoff has been the GH tours being re-packaged and regurgitated year after year. I don't blame JOURNEY for this as they're just trying to keep people from going for beers.

There's a lot of recovery to be had.

[frostbite]

As far as I'm concerned - at this point in time - the ONLY people who know THE STORY is JOURNEY and their inner circle.

What matters to me RIGHT NOW is what JOURNEY reported. That SA is out with a chronic vocal problem and is seeking medical attention in order to recover and return.

Unlike so many I will NOT allow my own desires and/or personal agendas to cloud this reported FACT. Unlike so many I have no reason to believe that what JOURNEY has reported is a pack of lies.

Unless you can state a credible source that is connected with JOURNEY or their inner circle then I can't consider anything you proclaim to be anything but your opinion.

Look at facts, not at what you're fed. Deano will be proved 100% correct in his assertions but if you'd rather wait til some words appear on the band's website fair enough. The rest of us have moved on.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

As far as I'm concerned - at this point in time - the ONLY people who know THE STORY is JOURNEY and their inner circle.

What matters to me RIGHT NOW is what JOURNEY reported. That SA is out with a chronic vocal problem and is seeking medical attention in order to recover and return.

Unlike so many I will NOT allow my own desires and/or personal agendas to cloud this reported FACT. Unlike so many I have no reason to believe that what JOURNEY has reported is a pack of lies.

Unless you can state a credible source that is connected with JOURNEY or their inner circle then I can't consider anything you proclaim to be anything but your opinion.

Look at facts, not at what you're fed. Deano will be proved 100% correct in his assertions but if you'd rather wait til some words appear on the band's website fair enough. The rest of us have moved on.

Who's the "rest of us"? Who are you speaking for? Who gave you the authority to speak for them?

The FACTS are what JOURNEY posted on their site. You're suggesting that they're not? That they're a pack of lies.

This isn't about Deano being "proven". This isn't Deano vs.Whomever or any other perceived battle. This is about respecting what JOURNEY posted on their site.

This is a forum for JOURNEY fans and I haven't seen much respect coming from the so-called fans here regarding what JOURNEY reported. Nothing but a bunch of speculation, delusions, and claims coming from people who say they know "the truth" or have been entrusted with inside info but don't step up with any credible sources. People who want to have "the scoop" on things so as to help themselves feel important.

Do I have a problem waiting for JOURNEY to update on what they've reported? Absolutely not. I think that's respectful and entirely reasonable.

[RunningAlone Pgh]

"We all wish Steve a speedy recovery."

I can't think of a more fitting title for the next album/tour. Whether it's welcoming SA's return or perhaps a tribute to him with JSS on the mic.

RECOVERY??? Thanks for providing some hilarity to brighten a cold Monday here! You're kidding, right?

(And I do wish Steve a speedy recovery, before you misconstrue my words!)

[ArnelRox]

Not true. Ever play in a band? You do not necessarily have the singer in your monitors.

That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming that. & after all, Neal's been playing these songs for decades. It's not like he needs to hear the singer to know when to come in or what to play. He could probably play them in his sleep at this point.

[Andrew]

Round and round we go. Let's stop this debate until we hear the official word on future plans.