Question for Perry-Heads

[fred_journeyman]

I'm a Perryonly that is not the least bit excited about this new lineup. IMO, it's just a Perry tribute band.

Hope everyone watch's the second half of the 100 greatest songs of the eighties tonight. Journey will be there and I'm wondering how up to date the info on present day Journey will be. They use Perry singing DSB for their ad.

Funny, but I didn't think that about the Augeri line-up, but I do about this one.

Deano told me in a PM that management said that the band would not survive another lead singer and they were against dumping Augeri. I think management was correct. I believe they have firmly enschonched themselves as nothing more than a band of yesteryear. Nothing they can do, apart from including Perry in the line-up will change that...in MY opinion.

[Lula]

I'm a Perryonly that is not the least bit excited about this new lineup. IMO, it's just a Perry tribute band.

Hope everyone watch's the second half of the 100 greatest songs of the eighties tonight. Journey will be there and I'm wondering how up to date the info on present day Journey will be. They use Perry singing DSB for their ad.

Funny, but I didn't think that about the Augeri line-up, but I do about this one.

Deano told me in a PM that management said that the band would not survive another lead singer and they were against dumping Augeri. I think management was correct. I believe they have firmly enschonched themselves as nothing more than a band of yesteryear. Nothing they can do, apart from including Perry in the line-up will change that...in MY opinion.

If you two are so hell bent on not enjoying the present, why are you here? Seems to me you just want to complain about life as you long for your past glory days. Negativity is ugly. Why not find something that brings you pleasure? Unless of course raining on the parade is your pleasure

[Eric]

If you two are so hell bent on not enjoying the present, why are you here?

Its a question only their therapists could help answer.....

[fred_journeyman]

If you two are so hell bent on not enjoying the present, why are you here? Seems to me you just want to complain about life as you long for your past glory days. Negativity is ugly. Why not find something that brings you pleasure? Unless of course raining on the parade is your pleasure

Give me a BREAK! Negativity is UGLY? That came from you, when you're hanging with the most negative person on this BOARD?!

Seems to me that you know absolutely nothing. There are plenty of things in my life that bring pleasure.

"Raining on someone's parade..." This is what Deano does every time he posts. You are unable to see the hypocrisy in your own statements?! Unbelievable...

Why don't you take the time to get Deano to stop being NEGATIVE and to stop RAINING on people's parades and to stop being a horse's ass? Oh wait, you're hanging onto him so that maybe your dreams of rock stardom will be fulfilled. Got it and good luck sweetheart...

[whocares]

well, Perry ain't coming back, in case anyone still hasn't gotten that through their thick skulls. If you think he is or you will forever hold out hope, then this place maybe ain't for you, if you can't accept the Nostalgia Act that Is Journey, without him in it. If Perry comes back, then what? you think they'll be a million selling band again? I doubt it. Not in today's musical world.

Fred, I've seen some intelligent posts from you, but those were mostly in the distant past. When did you become so bitter? Especially to people you don't know or can't see in person?

[Lula]

If you two are so hell bent on not enjoying the present, why are you here? Seems to me you just want to complain about life as you long for your past glory days. Negativity is ugly. Why not find something that brings you pleasure? Unless of course raining on the parade is your pleasure

Give me a BREAK! Negativity is UGLY? That came from you, when you're hanging with the most negative person on this BOARD?!

Seems to me that you know absolutely nothing. There are plenty of things in my life that bring pleasure.

"Raining on someone's parade..." This is what Deano does every time he posts. You are unable to see the hypocrisy in your own statements?! Unbelievable...

Why don't you take the time to get Deano to stop being NEGATIVE and to stop RAINING on people's parades and to stop being a horse's ass? Oh wait, you're hanging onto him so that maybe your dreams of rock stardom will be fulfilled. Got it and good luck sweetheart...

You are a piece of work. If insulting me makes answering a simple question easier for you, then by all means, fire away. It seems to me you are spending way too much time on your crusade to get rid of Dean to really enjoy anything. Go eat some candy and enjoy the spirit of the day.

For the record- my dreams to not include "rock stardom."

[Eric]

[quote="fred_journeyman"]
Give me a BREAK! Negativity is UGLY? That came from you, when you're hanging with the most negative person on this BOARD?!quote]

How is Deano negative about Journey? You are negative about Journey. There is a difference in arguing about Journey among people who are all fans, but you are not a fan and are on here arguing.

[fred_journeyman]

You are a piece of work. If insulting me makes answering a simple question easier for you, then by all means, fire away. It seems to me you are spending way too much time on your crusade to get rid of Dean to really enjoy anything. Go eat some candy and enjoy the spirit of the day.

Seems to me you don't understand English. I am not trying to get rid of Dean. I am asking that people use their God-given INTELLIGENCE when posting.

For the record- my dreams to not include "rock stardom."

Who cares? I was being sarcastic.

[fred_journeyman]

How is Deano negative about Journey? You are negative about Journey. There is a difference in arguing about Journey among people who are all fans, but you are not a fan and are on here arguing.

Never said or implied that Deano was negative about Journey. Lula made a sweeping generalization about me being negative. I turned the mirror around and asked her to have Deano look in it because his posts are filled with negativity generally.

I am a fan of Journey. I'm not thrilled about what they've become.

Funny, Deano can go from one end of the spectrum to the other and people go, "Ha ha, that's great Deano! Ha ha, wonderful!" When I change my position, I'm anathema?

[fred_journeyman]

well, Perry ain't coming back, in case anyone still hasn't gotten that through their thick skulls.

Duh. That's NOT what I said. I do NOT believe Perry will ever be back to Journey and have made that statement on numerous occasions. I said the only way I think Journey can save themselves would be IF that happened.

If you think he is or you will forever hold out hope, then this place maybe ain't for you, if you can't accept the Nostalgia Act that Is Journey, without him in it. If Perry comes back, then what? you think they'll be a million selling band again? I doubt it. Not in today's musical world.[/quote

See above response.

Fred, I've seen some intelligent posts from you, but those were mostly in the distant past. When did you become so bitter? Especially to people you don't know or can't see in person?

I'm not bitter at all. I'm not even sure how you can surmise that since you cannot "hear" me as I type these thoughts out. Not bitter at all. I'd like to know what the last sentence in your quote has anything to do with anything?

[whocares]

You are a piece of work. If insulting me makes answering a simple question easier for you, then by all means, fire away. It seems to me you are spending way too much time on your crusade to get rid of Dean to really enjoy anything. Go eat some candy and enjoy the spirit of the day.

Seems to me you don't understand English. I am not trying to get rid of Dean. I am asking that people use their God-given INTELLIGENCE when posting.

For the record- my dreams to not include "rock stardom."

Who cares? I was being sarcastic.

since when is Intelligence "God Given"? I thought it was something that should be taught by mother/father/teachers, etc. It's not God Given. If you believe this, then you are wrong yet again. Just like people LEARN to be hateful or negative. It's not a GOD Given thing. Heck, it's not even a right.

[Eric]

[quote="fred_journeyman"]I am a fan of Journey. I'm not thrilled about what they've become.
quote]

What would make you thrilled?

[whocares]

What would make you thrilled?

Isnt' it obvious what his answer will be? The one thing that will never happen.

[fred_journeyman]

since when is Intelligence "God Given"? I thought it was something that should be taught by mother/father/teachers, etc. It's not God Given. If you believe this, then you are wrong yet again. Just like people LEARN to be hateful or negative. It's not a GOD Given thing. Heck, it's not even a right.

First of all, that is a figure of speech. I'm sorry you didn't get that. I didn't realize that I'm discussing something with a literalist.

People are born with NATIVE intelligence. What they DO with it as they grow and mature is another issue. You canNOT teach anyone intelligence. You're dead wrong. You can only MEASURE their intelligence and TEACH them THINGS. Either they have the natural, native intelligence to understand the things that are being taught, or they don't.

For instance, it's obvious from just these few brief posts, that you are trying very hard to prove me wrong. Apparently, you NEED to do that, to make yourself feel more intelligent than you truly are. I can't help you with that and I certainly cannot help the fact that I'm more intelligent than you are. Do you notice I have not used one swear word in any of this? Do you notice that I have not called you a terrible name or wished a thousand plagues on you? It's called INTELLIGENT DEBATE or DISCOURSE.

You, on the other hand, are reading this and wanting to swear at me and use other forms of gutter talk. Why? Because that's what YOUR level of intelligence dictates you SHOULD do. It's much more difficult for you to actually DISCUSS something WITHOUT resorting to gutter talk. You are limited in that capacity and therefore, you reach back for the only thing you're really good at.

[fred_journeyman]

What would make you thrilled?

That - as I've said before numerous times - JOURNEY PUTS OUT NEW MUSIC AND SINGS IT IN CONCERT AND STOPS CATERING TO THE CLASSIC TUNES PEOPLE!!!

The exclamation points were added for emphasis, not as a sign that I'm angry.

[whocares]

nope, I dont' need to prove you wrong, Heck, I'm not even trying very hard at all. You're doign a good job of making excuses when "people don't get it", when reading your comments. You have an excuse for everything you say, that tries to make the person responding to you look worse than you look already. Sometimes it succeeds, but not always.

If a child isn't taught a blessed thing in life, then there's no intelligence level to measure for the most part. Keep spewing your "intelligent" responses. I may not have an IQ as high as you think you have, but I'm smart enough to know when it's time to give up trying to convince someone that they aren't as smart as they think they are.

[Melissa]

What is it about JSS, that has made you excited about Journey again?

I guess compare and contrast Augeri and JSS.

And, how excited are you?

Hmm, I'm actually more excited for JSS than for Journey, just because as a fan of his before all this, I know he's worked his ass off for years & years & is finally getting recognition here in his own country that he deserves SO much. Yes I'm excited about Journey again too though, I was not into the Augeri-era, & honestly the 1st show of this tour I went to in July I was going for DL more than Journey. Granted I knew hearing all the Journey songs I love would still be somewhat fun, but, like I said, just nothing about Augeri that grabbed me (no offense to him though). But when I heard JSS was taking over, that changed. Saw another show in Sept., & am seeing 2 more, 1 this coming Sunday here in Orlando. I'm excited about Journey again if JSS is truly going to be officially named the frontman, & excited about a new album with him because I know it would be amazing with his writing, style, & that VOICE that is beyond amazing to me.

JMO

[fred_journeyman]

...I'm smart enough to know when it's time to give up trying to convince someone that they aren't as smart as they think they are.

Well then you should have stopped a long time ago. I spent years in education and I continue to teach at college. My wife has spent over 20 years in education.

What YOU'RE saying does NOT negate what I'm saying. Children ARE born with native intelligence. It's what you do WITH it that determines what that intelligence does on a measurable scale.

If a person is born mentally deficient, then no amount of teaching will bring them up to a "normal" standard of intelligence.

Of course, if you never teach a child anything there is STILL an intelligence level that is able to be determined. In fact, BEFORE a child goes home from the hospital after being born, certain physical tests are performed to DETERMINE among other things, a general intelligence level of the child. If the child is NEVER taught anything AFTER that point, of COURSE they will stagnate and brain cells will degenerate from NON USE.

Look dude, just spend some time reading some books on the subject all right? Or better yet, continue to believe your fallacious theories that intelligence is learned. That's probably much easier for you.

[styxman]

...I'm smart enough to know when it's time to give up trying to convince someone that they aren't as smart as they think they are.

Well then you should have stopped a long time ago. I spent years in education and I continue to teach at college. My wife has spent over 20 years in education.

What YOU'RE saying does NOT negate what I'm saying. Children ARE born with native intelligence. It's what you do WITH it that determines what that intelligence does on a measurable scale.

If a person is born mentally deficient, then no amount of teaching will bring them up to a "normal" standard of intelligence.

Bush is a clear example of this...I agree with this point

Of course, if you never teach a child anything there is STILL an intelligence level that is able to be determined. In fact, BEFORE a child goes home from the hospital after being born, certain physical tests are performed to DETERMINE among other things, a general intelligence level of the child. If the child is NEVER taught anything AFTER that point, of COURSE they will stagnate and brain cells will degenerate from NON USE.

Look dude, just spend some time reading some books on the subject all right? Or better yet, continue to believe your fallacious theories that intelligence is learned. That's probably much easier for you.

Fred....I'm thick and swear but hey, you like me a little don't ya?

[fred_journeyman]

Fred....I'm thick and swear but hey, you like me a little don't ya?

Unfortunately, I can't tell if your kidding, being sarcastic or serious. My apologies.

[styxman]

Fred....I'm thick and swear but hey, you like me a little don't ya?

Unfortunately, I can't tell if your kidding, being sarcastic or serious. My apologies.

For fucks sake Fred, I'm being sarcastic

[Dyzzi]

I am a very big fan of Steve Perry, but i also liked SA we went to see them in june this yr and we are going to see Journey in march next yr.. I just love there music Journey Rock's..

[froy]

If you two are so hell bent on not enjoying the present, why are you here?

Simple the present is a copy of the past with a different singer
Followers do not see that
They only pretend its good .

[ArnelRox]

There are really a no. of reasons why I'm excited about Jeff. I grew up loving & worshipping Perry & Journey. All the excitement he generated in live performances was just amazing. It came thru even on a video. He was just amazing & of course his voice was, and still is, out of this world. But it's not just the voice, it's the way he sings, what he puts into his singing. I hate when lead singers leave my favorite bands. That means I may not want to see them in concert anymore. But I LOVE concerts. Live music is where it's at. So I will give almost anyone up there w/any band, a chance. Too many of my favorite bands have lost lead singers to death & there's no chance they'll come back. Others are gone like Perry & coming back ain't happening b/c of all the anger & bad feelings.

So along comes Augeri in Journey & hey, the BTM special made him sound great. I didn't want to go to a show. I mean this wasn't just any band. This was Journey. Then I heard his TS CD & said ok. I went. He did an ok job. It was better than no Journey concert. But his voice didn't even come close to touching Perry's. He sang the songs. He did an okay job. But where was all the feeling? It wasn't there. I met the guy, he was nice. & concerts were ok. Arrival was ok. Red 13 was less than ok. Generations sucked. When I watched the live DVD all I could think of is that's not Perry. He doesn't hit or hold the notes like Perry did. He doesn't sing the songs w/the same passion. I tried. I really tried. But it wasn't the same for me.

Now along comes Jeff. I saw him live & wasn't convinced on his 3rd nite out. But I'd seen him with SS. I knew he could bring the passion back to these songs. He just needed a little more time. Then I heard boot after boot & I knew he was getting there. Now I hear boots, see clips, & I see the passion, the energy, the excitement. No it's not Perry's unique sound. Nothing will ever be that. But there's some magic there again. Maybe Jeff is more passionate about the music than Augeri was. Jeff is, after all, a huge Perry/Journey fan. In that respect, he's a lot like me & many of us here. & I hear that passion when he sings these songs. He's getting the notes, he's holding them, he's mixing it up & putting his own twist on it. He's running all over the stage. He's psyching up the other boys. He's got Neal on fire. Heck even Cain is going nuts. U can hear it in the boots. Journey is back! They're not just going thru the motions playing elevator music. They're rocking the stage away again. & that's b/c of Jeff. I want it. I want to be a part of it. I can't wait to see it again, to feel it. I want to float on air walking out of a concert & feel like a million bucks for a week or so reeling from it afterwards.

What else? Well Jeff is one heck of a guy. He's got spunk. He's cool. He's funny. He laughs at himself. He talks to us. He answers questions & lets us "in" to his world. I don't know anyone else who's that open in this biz. He's a regular guy. It's hard not to like him. Even the wigglers like him & he's replacing their guy! Oh & he's very very sexy. Rock n roll & sex go together. Augeri wasn't sexy to me. He wiggled too much. He was too fem. Jeff is all he-man, raw sex appeal. Perry wasn't so much a he-man I guess, but he had that raw sex appeal. It just vibrated off him.

Jeff's got the vocal chops to do this. Augeri didn't. Jeff's got the range & the power. The soul. The passion. The looks. The exciting energy. & heck, he can write too. It's just win-win here. With Augeri it was always a gamble at best. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm ready. Come on Jeff. Sing ur heart out for me next week.

[Eric]

What would make you thrilled?

That - as I've said before numerous times - JOURNEY PUTS OUT NEW MUSIC AND SINGS IT IN CONCERT AND STOPS CATERING TO THE CLASSIC TUNES PEOPLE!!!

The exclamation points were added for emphasis, not as a sign that I'm angry.

Sooo, why don't you give that a chance to happen with JSS?

[Granny]

JOURNEYROX===Beautiful, Beautiful...written so well..enjoyed every word...Thanks for saying what a lot of us feel..granny

[kbo]

Steve Augeri revived Journey and kept the music alive 7 years ago and he deserves a little credit here. JSS is now picking up the ball and is running with it.

[Deb]

JOURNEYROX===Beautiful, Beautiful...written so well..enjoyed every word...Thanks for saying what a lot of us feel..granny

I agree with granny, JROX.......great post! Since Perry isn't coming back to Journey, I think JSS is definately the next best thing. I see alot of Perry's passion/fire in him.......first song/vid I ever heard of JSS was "Believe in Me"......I really liked it. And after watching that little clip of I'll Be Alright Without You I was sold.....I think he's got the soul and vocal capability to pull it off. I also believe (after this honeymoon period is over), he has the balls to push back on some decisions/creative choices......and I truly believe that is what this band needs again. Besides JSS just has this little-boy/sexy-rock-god type charisma that just screams to be frontman for Journey! For me it is a mix of JSS and Deen, they just love what they are doing and it shows.........very infectious! I plan on riding this wave. I'd also love to see/hear more from Perry. I did give SA a chance, bought the post 98 material and enjoyed the 2001 dvd.......but that spark was missing......for me anyway.

[Playitloudforme]

I think it was always just too hard to deal with SA because he was handpicked for sounding LIKE Perry. It seemd to me to always be much more of a "FU" from the band. I much prefer JSS who is just himself, and it works so well with the Journey catalogue. The band is revitalized, thank GOD, it was getting abslutely awful with the marionette act that was going on.

Thank you JSS for stepping up to the plate. Long live JOURNEY!!!!

[larryfromnextdoor]

no camera's allowed

no cameras allowed!!! laugh riot,, TVL your such a sweet kid....... hahahahahha no cameras... oh u crack me up......

Larry, man, when we went to Paul Stanley we tried to smuggle the cameras in, but the security was pretty good there, they searched our bags with sticks and flashlights, and when the guy found my camera he wouldn't let me it, I had to go and check it He was even using metal detectors. That was the first time that happened. Gonna have to think of a better hiding spot

ladies, just buy one of these and you can sneak in booze and cameras