OT--great pic on drudgereport.com 11/1

[The_Noble_Cause]

wants to be the modern version of Mclaughlin hour!!

Rick

Don't tell me u also consider John McLaughlin to be a liberal?

[conversationpc]

Beck is bizarre

Glenn's radio show is my favorite but his TV show has taken some getting used to. His first TV episode was a total fiasco and a few after that weren't much better. He's gotten better but it's still an acquired taste. That's for sure.

[ohsherrie]

Eric, If you don't see the decline in the average income of the working person in this country then you're just not looking for reality.

I'm not losing credibility at all. He lied about his reasons for going to war with Iraq. He went there to get revenge for Daddy Bush. He went into office intending to find a way to do that and he managed to use 9/11 to do it. He's lying about the economy. The people of this country are not economically better off than they were.

No, the homeland hasn't been attacked again, but improved homeland security could have taken care of that without going to Iraq.

Yes, you should have the opportunity for medical support for you mother in law, but since no one who isn't under a group plan, or well off enough to afford private coverage has any medical support that issue has nothing to do with gay rights.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think O'Reilly is the most trusted person in news.

By whom?
Usually when I hear him its mentioned in the context of a punchline.

His show is not only the most watched new show on cable, but while Larry King recently had a Presidential look-alike on his show, O'Reilly actually interviewed W. You tell me who is more credible.

Neither.
O'Reilly coddled the President and blushed like a high school girl on a date with the hunky football star.

Websites keeps track of O'Reilly's lies.
As someone who used to watch him religiously, I simply couldn't take having the wool pulled over my eyes anymore.
Michael Savage is more honest (and even he lies like a mofo).

[Eric]

His phone sex transcripts proved to me that whatever he is, he's not a TRUE onservative.
Then again, most moral holier-than-thous are kinky freaks.

He admitted he wasn't innocent about the phone-sex thing. He got blackmailed and stood up for himself, while not pretending to be an innocent victim. I really don't have an issue with it...plus, I don't know to the extent in which the flirting was mutual and he was setup...THIS could happen to any of us guys, and we know it!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Glenn's radio show is my favorite but his TV show has taken some getting used to. His first TV episode was a total fiasco and a few after that weren't much better. He's gotten better but it's still an acquired taste. That's for sure.

Anyone else notice he acts more Conservative on the radio than he does on TV?
Maybe I'm crazy, just seems that way to me.
I hate his guts on the radio, but laugh along with him on TV.

Some Conservative Nazi I know says CNN is ordering him to temper his views.

[The_Noble_Cause]

THIS could happen to any of us guys, and we know it!

Dude, he stuck a dildo in his ass and yanked his pud!
Certainly I have had phone sex before but it never went anything like that.

[ohsherrie]

Middle Class America, the segment of our poplulation that has always represented the American Dream is disappearing. And a lot more of them have gone to rooting than gone to the Country Club set in this administration.

I don't think the middle class is disappearing at all. It's true that many cities are losing their middle class, but they are simply moving to other areas. My wife and I are perfect examples of that. We moved from Indianapolis to one of the neighboring suburbs. It's cheaper and you avoid the congestion, crime, etc., that comes living in a big city.

OMG, that statement is so absurd pc that I don't even think Bush would say it. You really need to get out among the people more.

Donald Trump even recently admitted that there is no more middle class in America. He said that if you weren't rich, you were going to get poorer. I'd say he's a pretty good judge of the economic situation in this country.

[conversationpc]

Eric, If you don't see the decline in the average income of the working person in this country then you're just not looking for reality.

Last I checked, middle class income was up. I also see it in my neighborhood, which is solidly middle class.

I'm not losing credibility at all. He lied about his reasons for going to war with Iraq. He went there to get revenge for Daddy Bush. He went into office intending to find a way to do that and he managed to use 9/11 to do it.

When you state crap like "Bush lied about the war", you definitely lose credibility. The reasoning for the war was that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq was a threat to the region and us. Obviously, the intel on the weapons of mass destruction was either wrong or Iraq moved them out beforehand. I can accept that they didn't have them but that also makes the leaders of the rest of the civilized world liars also because their intelligence experts believed the same thing. That doesn't mean they lied. That means they had the facts wrong.

There is no evidence to support that he "went there to get revenge for daddy". All you have there is speculation and guesswork from those who may or may not know what they're talking about. We don't know for sure, so to say that he went to war for daddy is irresponsible when you don't have the evidence to back it up.

He's lying about the economy. The people of this country are not economically better off than they were.

Again, show me the numbers that show the economy is in bad shape. They just aren't there. Most, if not all, of the leading indicators show the economy is stronger now than at any point in the last eight or more years. Unemployment is low. Personal wages are up. The stock market is up. New home ownership, especially amongst minorities, is up. The prime lending rate is low. Inflation is relatively low. This isn't to say that there aren't some sectors of the population that are struggling, but you just don't have the facts behind you when you say Bush is lying about the economy. Again, that's an irresponsible statement that cannot be justified.

No, the homeland hasn't been attacked again, but improved homeland security could have taken care of that without going to Iraq.

Can't argue with that and for the congress not to have beefed up border security and built a wall is contemptible.

[conversationpc]

OMG, that statement is so absurd pc that I don't even think Bush would say it. You really need to get out among the people more.

Donald Trump even recently admitted that there is no more middle class in America. He said that if you weren't rich, you were going to get poorer. I'd say he's a pretty good judge of the economic situation in this country.

Ummm...Hasn't Donald Trump made PLENTY of financial blunders, including filing for bankruptcy? I don't think he's that reliable a source to comment on the middle class.

Besides that, the statement is not absurd. I've always been part of the middle class and my family's median income is barely over the average family wage in this country. Our house is about half the price of the average home. I think I'm a pretty good authority on what's middle class, so don't feed me that load of bull about getting "out among the people".

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can accept that they didn't have them but that also makes the leaders of the rest of the civilized world liars also because their intelligence experts believed the same thing.

It's not what the Weapons Experts were saying, or Washington Post writer, Walter Pinkus.
By now the tale of the WH using its muscle to manipulate evidence has been told to death.

[Eric]

I'm not losing credibility at all. He lied about his reasons for going to war with Iraq. He went there to get revenge for Daddy Bush. He went into office intending to find a way to do that and he managed to use 9/11 to do it..

I don't think thats true, and I don't think you could provide any evidence of that. It is clear that the Bush Administration wanted Saddam out (read Woodwards books), but revenge for Daddy is kinda hard to believe. No matter what though, they were going to take him out, and while that is good...they deserve an F for the post-removal-of-saddam management, and 3,000 US lives are gone and many more ruined because of it.

He's lying about the economy. The people of this country are not economically better off than they were.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this, because we could both spin a case. I'll say that I'm better off, everyone I know is better off, home ownership is high, rates are low, inflation is low, Dow is high......

No, the homeland hasn't been attacked again, but improved homeland security could have taken care of that without going to Iraq.

Probable. I just am giving credit to homeland security to the current admin too.

Yes, you should have the opportunity for medical support for you mother in law, but since no one who isn't under a group plan, or well off enough to afford private coverage has any medical support that issue has nothing to do with gay rights.

Maybe I'm not understanding? I'm thinking that part of gay rights is that someone could sign their "partner" up as a spouse and they could receive their health benefits. In turn, my mother-in-law should be able to be added to my policy.

[lights1961]

you know what----were more civil on this debate than the Perry/Augeri debates ever have been... okay---go back to the off topic at hand!!
just something I have noticed... its yelling but polite yelling if you know what I mean.

BTW--- network news will proceed with caution in calling the election Tuesday night---Does that mean that GOP actually has a fighting chance to keep control... because you know---deep down that by 905PM EST they (all the networks) will want to say the DEMS won back control... but if they cant say that at 905PM---then it will take till 2AM ET to decide who has control of the house and or senate. My money goes to the GOP to keep control... but if I am wrong--- I am wrong and I will say I am wrong---



Rick

[Eric]

Websites keeps track of O'Reilly's lies.
As someone who used to watch him religiously, I simply couldn't take having the wool pulled over my eyes anymore.
Michael Savage is more honest (and even he lies like a mofo).

I've heard some of these so-called lies when I peruse the soon to be defunct Air America, and most of what I heard was people twisting part of what he said out of context, OR, O'Reilly simply making a dumb mistake....like one time they were all over him because he said 34% said this...and it really was 34% of this group said this... I can't prove it wasn't a lie, but I think if we recorded 100% of everything someone - who is on the air as much as O'Reilly is - says, we would find a lot of mistakes and we could argue they were lies.

If there are better examples, please show me....

[Eric]

Dude, he stuck a dildo in his ass and yanked his pud!
Certainly I have had phone sex before but it never went anything like that.

HOOH....well we don't know how much of that is true, and secondly I was referring to be suckered into flirting with a woman and then be accused of harrassment.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If there are better examples, please show me....

Where shall I begin?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508190008

The best was when he invented a French periodical to prove that his personally-led US boycott of all things French was succeeding.

[Eric]

It's not what the Weapons Experts were saying, or Washington Post writer, Walter Pinkus.
By now the tale of the WH using its muscle to manipulate evidence has been told to death.

You know..its true Hans Blix was right...BUT....could we afford to take the chance to let a a UN weapons inspection team be bullied around by Saddam to determine if he had WMD's or not? I mean, at 8:49 on 9/11/01 my first thought was Saddam. I remember him saying after the first gulf war that someday we would taste our own blood on our own shores. I bet a lot of you were worried about him too. We aren't now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

HOOH....well we don't know how much of that is true, and secondly I was referring to be suckered into flirting with a woman and then be accused of harrassment.

But she taped the phone sex w/ Bill, didn't she?
If he didn't stick a vibrator up his bum, or do any of the things she claims, why did Bill-O settle and bar her from ever releasing them?

[The_Noble_Cause]

BUT....could we afford to take the chance to let a a UN weapons inspection team be bullied around by Saddam to determine if he had WMD's or not?

Why not?
Right now we are taking that very same chance right now with North Korea and Iran.

[Eric]

you know what----were more civil on this debate than the Perry/Augeri debates ever have been... okay---go back to the off topic at hand!!
just something I have noticed... its yelling but polite yelling if you know what I mean.

I just thought the same thing. I think because the topic is MUCH more important. We let loose about Journey (or sports on other sites) because we can get our heads around that small stuff. This stuff we tread carefully....I am concious every letter I type that I could be wrong. Journey is a Diversion - this isn't. This stuff is real. Plus, most of us discussing this have already battled about Journey and now respect each other. This is why we're discussing the Terror War on a Journey forum on melodicrock.....this is like arguing with your family...much more comfortable.

[conversationpc]

If there are better examples, please show me....

Where shall I begin?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508190008

The best was when he invented a French periodical to prove that his personally-led US boycott of all things French was succeeding.

Just by looking at the site, it doesn't appear that they are that unbiased. Without seeing the transcripts to all those items mentioned and researching them each individually, it's difficult or near to impossible to determine if they've taken him out of context or otherwise twisted the facts to suit their purposes.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just by looking at the site, it doesn't appear that they are that unbiased. Without seeing the transcripts to all those items mentioned and researching them each individually, it's difficult or near to impossible to determine if they've taken him out of context or otherwise twisted the facts to suit their purposes.

They're not the only ones keeping watch.
Many a progressive finds themselves in an uproar nightly over O'Reilly's distortions.

Believe what u want, but I know better.

[conversationpc]

Just by looking at the site, it doesn't appear that they are that unbiased. Without seeing the transcripts to all those items mentioned and researching them each individually, it's difficult or near to impossible to determine if they've taken him out of context or otherwise twisted the facts to suit their purposes.

They're not the only ones keeping watch.
Many a progressive finds themselves in an uproar nightly over O'Reilly's distortions.

Believe what u want, but I know better.

Look...You can take ANY talk show host out there, TV or radio, and since they're on the air so much, you can make it look like ALL of them are liars. Because one web site or multiple web sites are "keeping watch" is no matter to me. They all feed off each other. It's not like they all, or even most of them, do their own independent research.

[Eric]

If there are better examples, please show me....

Where shall I begin?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200508190008

The best was when he invented a French periodical to prove that his personally-led US boycott of all things French was succeeding.

Sorry...not much there, I've seen this. I assume 25% of what I hear from anyone is mis-information or mistake anyway. I also believe there are a million (exaggerating, not lying) periodicals named similar to that, including the Paris Review and the European Business Review.

[Eric]

BUT....could we afford to take the chance to let a a UN weapons inspection team be bullied around by Saddam to determine if he had WMD's or not?
Why not? Right now we are taking that very same chance right now with North Korea and Iran.

Fuck...I don't know how to answer that. Are there UN violations that North Korea or Iran have violated. Do we have enough troops to do Afghan, Iraq and those 2 at the same time? Do these 2 countries already have the means to launch if we were to attack (I don't think we assumed Saddam could....I think the fear was he would work in conjuction with terrorists). This is tough, this is where I could be wrong..and I know it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I also believe there are a million (exaggerating, not lying) periodicals named similar to that, including the Paris Review and the European Business Review.

Then why hasn't he clarified that?
I assure u it's been brought to his attention by many.

Or what about the time he attributed the actions of Nazis to US Soldiers?

I saw that on the air.
He later spun what he said.
No apology.

If you think he is a bastion of truth u are sorely mistaken.

[conversationpc]

Or what about the time he attributed the actions of Nazis to US Soldiers?

I must have missed that one. Do you have a link I can check out? I've watched O'Reilly's show just about every day for the last two or three years and don't recall anything close to that.

[Eric]

I also believe there are a million (exaggerating, not lying) periodicals named similar to that, including the Paris Review and the European Business Review.

Then why hasn't he clarified that?
I assure u it's been brought to his attention by many.

Or what about the time he attributed the actions of Nazis to US Soldiers?

I saw that on the air.
He later spun what he said.
No apology.

If you think he is a bastion of truth u are sorely mistaken.

If I were him I would ignore this crap too. I don't believe for a second that he compared US soldiers to that of Nazis. He staunchly defends our troops everyday, and has taken great exception to Cindy Sheehan's assessment that the insurgents are the real freedom fighters.

[Eric]

Or what about the time he attributed the actions of Nazis to US Soldiers?

I must have missed that one. Do you have a link I can check out? I've watched O'Reilly's show just about every day for the last two or three years and don't recall anything close to that.

Thats because its absolute nonsense!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I saw Bill do this.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200606030002